BearFan33 said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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I always thought the "grrrrl power" movement was a way to teach our daughters that the were, in fact, equal to men. Girls didnt have to stay home and learn to pick up after others . They could do well in school and have choices. I always thought females had the better lot in life. They could choose to have a career, or get married and share the workload with a husband, if they could just stay home, run the house and take care of babies.

BTW, 3 kids, 7 gks. 2.3 ave. I still beat the 2.1 needed for growth


I think the alternative is to teach your daughter they arent worth as much 0r equal to your sons and to be subservient to men.

What did you teach yours?

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Then it failed from the get go because it was based on utopian ideals.

Men and Women of course are not equal...even if we are just talking about physical strength and propensity for violence

[The only way to make men and women "equal" is to strip them of the unique qualities that make them men and women]

And good for you for being the 2.1 need for sustainability.

The point is that half the nations are earth are no longer beating or hitting that number and the rest are soon to follow.

And no one has found an answer to the problem....some still deny its even happening

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Sorry for not being clear. Of course men and women are not the same. But i raised my daughter to believe she had the equal opportunity to make choices. She didnt have to be a homemaker or a housekeeper. but could be an doctor or a lawyer if she chose to be.

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Well interesting enough....no matter if women chose to be voluntary corporate workers or home makers....fertility keeps crashing

So it does not really matter.

Modern Western and East Asian nations with lots of opportunity for women to spend decades in formal education and working for corporations are seeing their fertility collapse.

And even developing countries that don't provided the same career/education centric approach for women are seeing their fertility crater.

Its wild to watch

No one seems able to escape the collapse

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blame it on the plastics

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/chemicals-in-plastic-electronics-are-lowering-fertility-in-men-and-women

https://www.salon.com/2021/04/04/plastic-pollution-infertility-extinction/

https://www.earthday.org/plastics-the-kingpin-of-the-fertility-crisis/

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it's mostly just economics. poor societies with short life expectancies have higher birth rates than wealthy urban societies with long life expectancies. The enormous investment in rearing of children makes sense given that labor is the key to survival. As societies begin to prosper, death rates fall faster than reproductive rates, leading to population boom. As societies continue to develop and industrialize, wealth accumulates and life spans increase = the investment of rearing of child no longer makes sense. birth rates fall. The research on such goes all the way back to Malthus (who made relevant observations and a mixed bag of conclusions). basically, it's a cycle.

the only question is where on that cycle a society might be at any given time.

whiterock said:

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BearFan33 said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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I always thought the "grrrrl power" movement was a way to teach our daughters that the were, in fact, equal to men. Girls didnt have to stay home and learn to pick up after others . They could do well in school and have choices. I always thought females had the better lot in life. They could choose to have a career, or get married and share the workload with a husband, if they could just stay home, run the house and take care of babies.

BTW, 3 kids, 7 gks. 2.3 ave. I still beat the 2.1 needed for growth


I think the alternative is to teach your daughter they arent worth as much 0r equal to your sons and to be subservient to men.

What did you teach yours?

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Then it failed from the get go because it was based on utopian ideals.

Men and Women of course are not equal...even if we are just talking about physical strength and propensity for violence

[The only way to make men and women "equal" is to strip them of the unique qualities that make them men and women]

And good for you for being the 2.1 need for sustainability.

The point is that half the nations are earth are no longer beating or hitting that number and the rest are soon to follow.

And no one has found an answer to the problem....some still deny its even happening

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Sorry for not being clear. Of course men and women are not the same. But i raised my daughter to believe she had the equal opportunity to make choices. She didnt have to be a homemaker or a housekeeper. but could be an doctor or a lawyer if she chose to be.

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Well interesting enough....no matter if women chose to be voluntary corporate workers or home makers....fertility keeps crashing

So it does not really matter.

Modern Western and East Asian nations with lots of opportunity for women to spend decades in formal education and working for corporations are seeing their fertility collapse.

And even developing countries that don't provided the same career/education centric approach for women are seeing their fertility crater.

Its wild to watch

No one seems able to escape the collapse

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blame it on the plastics

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/chemicals-in-plastic-electronics-are-lowering-fertility-in-men-and-women

https://www.salon.com/2021/04/04/plastic-pollution-infertility-extinction/

https://www.earthday.org/plastics-the-kingpin-of-the-fertility-crisis/

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it's mostly just economics. poor societies with short life expectancies have higher birth rates than wealthy urban societies with long life expectancies. The enormous investment in rearing of children makes sense given that labor is the key to survival. As societies begin to prosper, death rates fall faster than reproductive rates, leading to population boom. As societies continue to develop and industrialize, wealth accumulates and life spans increase = the investment of rearing of child no longer makes sense. birth rates fall. The research on such goes all the way back to Malthus (who made relevant observations and a mixed bag of conclusions). basically, it's a cycle.

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Yep

And no one has yet found a way to sustain a society at the "high income/high development/low birth rate" category.

The good affluent society you want....causes the birth collapse that you know is a problem.

Redbrickbear said:

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whiterock said:

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BearFan33 said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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I always thought the "grrrrl power" movement was a way to teach our daughters that the were, in fact, equal to men. Girls didnt have to stay home and learn to pick up after others . They could do well in school and have choices. I always thought females had the better lot in life. They could choose to have a career, or get married and share the workload with a husband, if they could just stay home, run the house and take care of babies.

BTW, 3 kids, 7 gks. 2.3 ave. I still beat the 2.1 needed for growth


I think the alternative is to teach your daughter they arent worth as much 0r equal to your sons and to be subservient to men.

What did you teach yours?

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Then it failed from the get go because it was based on utopian ideals.

Men and Women of course are not equal...even if we are just talking about physical strength and propensity for violence

[The only way to make men and women "equal" is to strip them of the unique qualities that make them men and women]

And good for you for being the 2.1 need for sustainability.

The point is that half the nations are earth are no longer beating or hitting that number and the rest are soon to follow.

And no one has found an answer to the problem....some still deny its even happening

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Sorry for not being clear. Of course men and women are not the same. But i raised my daughter to believe she had the equal opportunity to make choices. She didnt have to be a homemaker or a housekeeper. but could be an doctor or a lawyer if she chose to be.

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Well interesting enough....no matter if women chose to be voluntary corporate workers or home makers....fertility keeps crashing

So it does not really matter.

Modern Western and East Asian nations with lots of opportunity for women to spend decades in formal education and working for corporations are seeing their fertility collapse.

And even developing countries that don't provided the same career/education centric approach for women are seeing their fertility crater.

Its wild to watch

No one seems able to escape the collapse

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blame it on the plastics

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/chemicals-in-plastic-electronics-are-lowering-fertility-in-men-and-women

https://www.salon.com/2021/04/04/plastic-pollution-infertility-extinction/

https://www.earthday.org/plastics-the-kingpin-of-the-fertility-crisis/

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it's mostly just economics. poor societies with short life expectancies have higher birth rates than wealthy urban societies with long life expectancies. The enormous investment in rearing of children makes sense given that labor is the key to survival. As societies begin to prosper, death rates fall faster than reproductive rates, leading to population boom. As societies continue to develop and industrialize, wealth accumulates and life spans increase = the investment of rearing of child no longer makes sense. birth rates fall. The research on such goes all the way back to Malthus (who made relevant observations and a mixed bag of conclusions). basically, it's a cycle.

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Yep

And no one has yet found a way to sustain a society at the "high income/high development/low birth rate" category.

The good affluent society you want....causes the birth collapse that you know is a problem.

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Rome sustained it for centuries. We likely will as well.

BearFan33 said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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I always thought the "grrrrl power" movement was a way to teach our daughters that the were, in fact, equal to men. Girls didnt have to stay home and learn to pick up after others . They could do well in school and have choices. I always thought females had the better lot in life. They could choose to have a career, or get married and share the workload with a husband, if they could just stay home, run the house and take care of babies.

BTW, 3 kids, 7 gks. 2.3 ave. I still beat the 2.1 needed for growth


I think the alternative is to teach your daughter they arent worth as much 0r equal to your sons and to be subservient to men.

What did you teach yours?

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Then it failed from the get go because it was based on utopian ideals.

Men and Women of course are not equal...even if we are just talking about physical strength and propensity for violence

[The only way to make men and women "equal" is to strip them of the unique qualities that make them men and women]

And good for you for being the 2.1 need for sustainability.

The point is that half the nations are earth are no longer beating or hitting that number and the rest are soon to follow.

And no one has found an answer to the problem....some still deny its even happening

---

Sorry for not being clear. Of course men and women are not the same. But i raised my daughter to believe she had the equal opportunity to make choices. She didnt have to be a homemaker or a housekeeper. but could be an doctor or a lawyer if she chose to be.

---

Well interesting enough....no matter if women chose to be voluntary corporate workers or home makers....fertility keeps crashing

So it does not really matter.

Modern Western and East Asian nations with lots of opportunity for women to spend decades in formal education and working for corporations are seeing their fertility collapse.

And even developing countries that don't provided the same career/education centric approach for women are seeing their fertility crater.

Its wild to watch

No one seems able to escape the collapse

---

blame it on the plastics

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/chemicals-in-plastic-electronics-are-lowering-fertility-in-men-and-women

https://www.salon.com/2021/04/04/plastic-pollution-infertility-extinction/

https://www.earthday.org/plastics-the-kingpin-of-the-fertility-crisis/

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Poll: 1 in 3 Young Adults Do Not Have and Do Not Want Children

"The survey found that 30 percent of Generation Z (people born between 1997 and 2012) and millennials (born between 1981 and 1996) did not have and do not want to have any children. The results come after the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) announced in April that the U.S. birthrate has dropped to an all-time low."

So assuming a TFR of 0.0 for 1/3rd of the population going forward, the other 2/3rds is really going to have to get to work to hit the 2.1 target.

I know a huge number of people in their 60s and 70s with one grandchild at most. Many with zero.

These people had 3-4 kids of their own, and they assumed their kids would do the same. They planned for 10-15 grandkids at this age.

Not for me to judge, but it’s sad to see. pic.twitter.com/MGOsp1LaJ0

— Robert Sterling (@RobertMSterling) November 12, 2024

Assassin said:

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We've lost 60 million children in the US alone since Roe vs Wade. Might that have a bit to do with it?

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Dude!! No problem! We have a southern border. We can just walk 60m full grown laborers into the country. Any time we want.

whiterock said:

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Assassin said:

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We've lost 60 million children in the US alone since Roe vs Wade. Might that have a bit to do with it?

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Dude!! No problem! We have a southern border. We can just walk 60m full grown laborers into the country. Any time we want.

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But we don't want to do that. We want to keep aborting and still make America white again.

Sam Lowry said:

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whiterock said:

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Assassin said:

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We've lost 60 million children in the US alone since Roe vs Wade. Might that have a bit to do with it?

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Dude!! No problem! We have a southern border. We can just walk 60m full grown laborers into the country. Any time we want.

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But we don't want to do that. We want to keep aborting and still make America white again.

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Shhhh. The Democrats' dirty little secret will get out.

Population collapse https://t.co/nfxEzjFzSH

— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) November 16, 2024

China is facing major population decline. pic.twitter.com/OSf6i64w5i

— Visegrád 24 (@visegrad24) November 23, 2024

This is your regular reminder that there are 4 million fewer 0-9 aged children in the USA in 2023 than there were in 2013

We are experimenting a demographic collapse, yes even in Texas pic.twitter.com/zF8jAGdCcS

— molson 🧠⚙️ (@Molson_Hart) November 25, 2024

Sam Lowry said:

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whiterock said:

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Assassin said:

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We've lost 60 million children in the US alone since Roe vs Wade. Might that have a bit to do with it?

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Dude!! No problem! We have a southern border. We can just walk 60m full grown laborers into the country. Any time we want.

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But we don't want to do that. We want to keep aborting and still make America white again.

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You cannot bring 60 million adult foreigners into America without fundamentally transforming the nature of your country's social compact. We see that happening now. This has nothing to do with what they look like, and everything to do with what they think like, and the culture they bring with them.

Recently, @MoreBirths and I have been discussing with each other the question of "pronatal belief." Basically, he argues that high fertility really depends on all/most people in society strongly believing that it's important to have kids-- not just have high personal desires.

So… pic.twitter.com/ITCBrVVqQq

— Lyman Stone 石來民 🦬🦬🦬 (@lymanstoneky) November 25, 2024

Realitybites said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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whiterock said:

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Assassin said:

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We've lost 60 million children in the US alone since Roe vs Wade. Might that have a bit to do with it?

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Dude!! No problem! We have a southern border. We can just walk 60m full grown laborers into the country. Any time we want.

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But we don't want to do that. We want to keep aborting and still make America white again.

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You cannot bring 60 million adult foreigners into America without fundamentally transforming the nature of your country's social compact. We see that happening now. This has nothing to do with what they look like, and everything to do with what they think like, and the culture they bring with them.

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… especially if they are vehemently hostile to the culture.

How likely are you to be married by 30?

Boomers: ~90%
Zoomers: ~30%

This is civilizational. pic.twitter.com/NkJiEc5nYR

— Balaji (@balajis) November 30, 2024

[The Implications of Demographic Decline:


A woman on X posted about her friend's experience of demographic decline in Japan

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I'm in Tokyo speaking to a new friend who lived in Montreal for the past 20 years but is just returning to Japan now for a dream job. I asked her what the demographic collapse feels like from Japan:
"In Tokyo, you hardly feel it at all. Everything is more or less the same. But in the countryside like in Kyushu where my parents live, it's like everything good you've ever valued is being destroyed. Every famous store or ramen shop, gone forever. The countryside now feels alienating."

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Decline leads to concentration in the metropole. We're actually seeing this play out in the US already. It will also affect churches, as I wrote about]

🚨NEW DATA: A new report from @FamStudies by @grantjbailey and @lymanstoneky shows that voting Republican is correlated with higher fertility rates, and this relationship has been getting steeper over time.

"Essentially, the parties are divided by family." 🧵 pic.twitter.com/4mk2BIjtvT

— Colin Wright (@SwipeWright) December 19, 2024

Also, Democrats are more likely to commit infanticide. It's a cord belief in their neo-pagan religion.