Mothra said:

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Fre3dombear said:

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The polls had him believing they'd beat Marxist Obama even after he took a dive in debates 2 and 3

Same setup here.

So much money will be lost betting on trump

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Romney wasn't ahead in any of the polls. After his first debate, he narrowed Obama's lead, but he was consistently behind Obama in all of the major polls. The gap widened as the election got closer.

Polling in this case is completely different. Trump is now ahead in most of the swing states, and he is winning certain demographics that are a good indicator he could win this election, perhaps even convincingly - as long as he doesn't do something to screw it up. That was never the case for Romney.

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Should have been more clear. He said his internal polling.

Fre3dombear said:

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Mothra said:

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Fre3dombear said:

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The polls had him believing they'd beat Marxist Obama even after he took a dive in debates 2 and 3

Same setup here.

So much money will be lost betting on trump

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Romney wasn't ahead in any of the polls. After his first debate, he narrowed Obama's lead, but he was consistently behind Obama in all of the major polls. The gap widened as the election got closer.

Polling in this case is completely different. Trump is now ahead in most of the swing states, and he is winning certain demographics that are a good indicator he could win this election, perhaps even convincingly - as long as he doesn't do something to screw it up. That was never the case for Romney.

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Should have been more clear. He said his internal polling.

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trumps public polling has never been this good in 3 runs. He won and he lost. His share was under sampled both times previously. It is possible they are over sampling now but doubtful.

We are now in the final poll window where polling firms have to drop the truth.. or their best attempt at it

TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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Mothra said:

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Fre3dombear said:

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The polls had him believing they'd beat Marxist Obama even after he took a dive in debates 2 and 3

Same setup here.

So much money will be lost betting on trump

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Romney wasn't ahead in any of the polls. After his first debate, he narrowed Obama's lead, but he was consistently behind Obama in all of the major polls. The gap widened as the election got closer.

Polling in this case is completely different. Trump is now ahead in most of the swing states, and he is winning certain demographics that are a good indicator he could win this election, perhaps even convincingly - as long as he doesn't do something to screw it up. That was never the case for Romney.

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If it's not obvious to you by now, Romney was on the same team as Obama. Just a snake playing his part.

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You nominated Romney, I voted for your preferred candidate, never again

TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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Mothra said:

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Fre3dombear said:

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The polls had him believing they'd beat Marxist Obama even after he took a dive in debates 2 and 3

Same setup here.

So much money will be lost betting on trump

---

Romney wasn't ahead in any of the polls. After his first debate, he narrowed Obama's lead, but he was consistently behind Obama in all of the major polls. The gap widened as the election got closer.

Polling in this case is completely different. Trump is now ahead in most of the swing states, and he is winning certain demographics that are a good indicator he could win this election, perhaps even convincingly - as long as he doesn't do something to screw it up. That was never the case for Romney.

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If it's not obvious to you by now, Romney was on the same team as Obama. Just a snake playing his part.

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Trying to determine what in the world that has to do with my post.

Osodecentx said:

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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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Mothra said:

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Fre3dombear said:

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The polls had him believing they'd beat Marxist Obama even after he took a dive in debates 2 and 3

Same setup here.

So much money will be lost betting on trump

---

Romney wasn't ahead in any of the polls. After his first debate, he narrowed Obama's lead, but he was consistently behind Obama in all of the major polls. The gap widened as the election got closer.

Polling in this case is completely different. Trump is now ahead in most of the swing states, and he is winning certain demographics that are a good indicator he could win this election, perhaps even convincingly - as long as he doesn't do something to screw it up. That was never the case for Romney.

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If it's not obvious to you by now, Romney was on the same team as Obama. Just a snake playing his part.

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You nominated Romney, I voted for your preferred candidate, never again

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How do you you know Romney was his preferred candidate?

I know you like to play this little schtick that you're no longer a Republican, but it's pretty disingenuous to try to disavow association with the party when you consistently voted Republican in the Republican primaries for years prior to 2024.

Truth is, Romney was YOUR preferred candidate. You love you those milquetoast Republicans.

Mothra said:

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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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Mothra said:

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Fre3dombear said:

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The polls had him believing they'd beat Marxist Obama even after he took a dive in debates 2 and 3

Same setup here.

So much money will be lost betting on trump

---

Romney wasn't ahead in any of the polls. After his first debate, he narrowed Obama's lead, but he was consistently behind Obama in all of the major polls. The gap widened as the election got closer.

Polling in this case is completely different. Trump is now ahead in most of the swing states, and he is winning certain demographics that are a good indicator he could win this election, perhaps even convincingly - as long as he doesn't do something to screw it up. That was never the case for Romney.

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If it's not obvious to you by now, Romney was on the same team as Obama. Just a snake playing his part.

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Trying to determine what in the world that has to do with my post.

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He's wasn't ahead in the polls. He knew he wasn't likely going to win, but claimed he thought that they would. He was just playing the part.
Sorta like McCain, he knew he he was running for second place.

TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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Mothra said:

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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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Mothra said:

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Fre3dombear said:

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The polls had him believing they'd beat Marxist Obama even after he took a dive in debates 2 and 3

Same setup here.

So much money will be lost betting on trump

---

Romney wasn't ahead in any of the polls. After his first debate, he narrowed Obama's lead, but he was consistently behind Obama in all of the major polls. The gap widened as the election got closer.

Polling in this case is completely different. Trump is now ahead in most of the swing states, and he is winning certain demographics that are a good indicator he could win this election, perhaps even convincingly - as long as he doesn't do something to screw it up. That was never the case for Romney.

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If it's not obvious to you by now, Romney was on the same team as Obama. Just a snake playing his part.

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Trying to determine what in the world that has to do with my post.

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He's wasn't ahead in the polls. He knew he wasn't likely going to win, but claimed he thought that they would. He was just playing the part.
Sorta like McCain, he knew he he was running for second place.

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If you will read the second post on this thread, you'll see I said "Romney wasn't ahead in any of the polls." So I am still trying to figure out your point.

Fre3dombear said:

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Mothra said:

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Fre3dombear said:

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The polls had him believing they'd beat Marxist Obama even after he took a dive in debates 2 and 3

Same setup here.

So much money will be lost betting on trump

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Romney wasn't ahead in any of the polls. After his first debate, he narrowed Obama's lead, but he was consistently behind Obama in all of the major polls. The gap widened as the election got closer.

Polling in this case is completely different. Trump is now ahead in most of the swing states, and he is winning certain demographics that are a good indicator he could win this election, perhaps even convincingly - as long as he doesn't do something to screw it up. That was never the case for Romney.

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Should have been more clear. He said his internal polling.

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I've seen no evidence whatsoever that Romney "thought he had it in the bag."

Again, you're comparing apples to oranges. Trump is in a MUCH better spot than Romney was, against a MUCH weaker candidate.

Romney and McCain were terrible candidates. They were never ahead in the polls.

Mothra said:

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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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Mothra said:

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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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Mothra said:

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Fre3dombear said:

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The polls had him believing they'd beat Marxist Obama even after he took a dive in debates 2 and 3

Same setup here.

So much money will be lost betting on trump

---

Romney wasn't ahead in any of the polls. After his first debate, he narrowed Obama's lead, but he was consistently behind Obama in all of the major polls. The gap widened as the election got closer.

Polling in this case is completely different. Trump is now ahead in most of the swing states, and he is winning certain demographics that are a good indicator he could win this election, perhaps even convincingly - as long as he doesn't do something to screw it up. That was never the case for Romney.

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If it's not obvious to you by now, Romney was on the same team as Obama. Just a snake playing his part.

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Trying to determine what in the world that has to do with my post.

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He's wasn't ahead in the polls. He knew he wasn't likely going to win, but claimed he thought that they would. He was just playing the part.
Sorta like McCain, he knew he he was running for second place.

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If you will read the second post on this thread, you'll see I said "Romney wasn't ahead in any of the polls." So I am still trying to figure out your point.

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Got it now, mistaken identity. I was having a w47 moment. I was responding to OP. My apologies.

Osodecentx said:

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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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Mothra said:

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Fre3dombear said:

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The polls had him believing they'd beat Marxist Obama even after he took a dive in debates 2 and 3

Same setup here.

So much money will be lost betting on trump

---

Romney wasn't ahead in any of the polls. After his first debate, he narrowed Obama's lead, but he was consistently behind Obama in all of the major polls. The gap widened as the election got closer.

Polling in this case is completely different. Trump is now ahead in most of the swing states, and he is winning certain demographics that are a good indicator he could win this election, perhaps even convincingly - as long as he doesn't do something to screw it up. That was never the case for Romney.

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If it's not obvious to you by now, Romney was on the same team as Obama. Just a snake playing his part.

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You nominated Romney, I voted for your preferred candidate, never again

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I don't keep up with TDS logic, so what on earth does this even mean?

TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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Mothra said:

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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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Mothra said:

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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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Mothra said:

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Fre3dombear said:

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The polls had him believing they'd beat Marxist Obama even after he took a dive in debates 2 and 3

Same setup here.

So much money will be lost betting on trump

---

Romney wasn't ahead in any of the polls. After his first debate, he narrowed Obama's lead, but he was consistently behind Obama in all of the major polls. The gap widened as the election got closer.

Polling in this case is completely different. Trump is now ahead in most of the swing states, and he is winning certain demographics that are a good indicator he could win this election, perhaps even convincingly - as long as he doesn't do something to screw it up. That was never the case for Romney.

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If it's not obvious to you by now, Romney was on the same team as Obama. Just a snake playing his part.

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Trying to determine what in the world that has to do with my post.

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He's wasn't ahead in the polls. He knew he wasn't likely going to win, but claimed he thought that they would. He was just playing the part.
Sorta like McCain, he knew he he was running for second place.

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If you will read the second post on this thread, you'll see I said "Romney wasn't ahead in any of the polls." So I am still trying to figure out your point.

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Got it now, mistaken identity. I was having a w47 moment. I was responding to OP. My apologies.

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NP. Thanks/

TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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Osodecentx said:

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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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Mothra said:

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Fre3dombear said:

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The polls had him believing they'd beat Marxist Obama even after he took a dive in debates 2 and 3

Same setup here.

So much money will be lost betting on trump

---

Romney wasn't ahead in any of the polls. After his first debate, he narrowed Obama's lead, but he was consistently behind Obama in all of the major polls. The gap widened as the election got closer.

Polling in this case is completely different. Trump is now ahead in most of the swing states, and he is winning certain demographics that are a good indicator he could win this election, perhaps even convincingly - as long as he doesn't do something to screw it up. That was never the case for Romney.

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If it's not obvious to you by now, Romney was on the same team as Obama. Just a snake playing his part.

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You nominated Romney, I voted for your preferred candidate, never again

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I don't keep up with TDS logic, so what on earth does this even mean?

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You nominated Romney, & now you tell us he was a snake. I vote for your candidate and you knew he was not good. Why would I vote for your candidate this time. In a year or so you'll tell me that Trump was a snake

Mothra said:

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Osodecentx said:

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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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Mothra said:

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Fre3dombear said:

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The polls had him believing they'd beat Marxist Obama even after he took a dive in debates 2 and 3

Same setup here.

So much money will be lost betting on trump

---

Romney wasn't ahead in any of the polls. After his first debate, he narrowed Obama's lead, but he was consistently behind Obama in all of the major polls. The gap widened as the election got closer.

Polling in this case is completely different. Trump is now ahead in most of the swing states, and he is winning certain demographics that are a good indicator he could win this election, perhaps even convincingly - as long as he doesn't do something to screw it up. That was never the case for Romney.

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If it's not obvious to you by now, Romney was on the same team as Obama. Just a snake playing his part.

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You nominated Romney, I voted for your preferred candidate, never again

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How do you you know Romney was his preferred candidate?

I know you like to play this little schtick that you're no longer a Republican, but it's pretty disingenuous to try to disavow association with the party when you consistently voted Republican in the Republican primaries for years prior to 2024.

Truth is, Romney was YOUR preferred candidate. You love you those milquetoast Republicans.

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I voted for Romney and the rest of your presidential candidates, then you tell me they are milquetoast Republicans. Why should anyone trust your opinion?

I note also, that you consider yourself an influencer who is very persuasive in you family and circle of friends..

This year, you influence them to vote for Trump while posting over here how deficient you candidate is.

Note to self: reply to posts correctly.

TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Mothra said:

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Osodecentx said:

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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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Mothra said:

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Fre3dombear said:

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The polls had him believing they'd beat Marxist Obama even after he took a dive in debates 2 and 3

Same setup here.

So much money will be lost betting on trump

---

Romney wasn't ahead in any of the polls. After his first debate, he narrowed Obama's lead, but he was consistently behind Obama in all of the major polls. The gap widened as the election got closer.

Polling in this case is completely different. Trump is now ahead in most of the swing states, and he is winning certain demographics that are a good indicator he could win this election, perhaps even convincingly - as long as he doesn't do something to screw it up. That was never the case for Romney.

---

If it's not obvious to you by now, Romney was on the same team as Obama. Just a snake playing his part.

---

You nominated Romney, I voted for your preferred candidate, never again

---

How do you you know Romney was his preferred candidate?

I know you like to play this little schtick that you're no longer a Republican, but it's pretty disingenuous to try to disavow association with the party when you consistently voted Republican in the Republican primaries for years prior to 2024.

Truth is, Romney was YOUR preferred candidate. You love you those milquetoast Republicans.

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I voted for Romney and the rest of your presidential candidates, then you tell me they are milquetoast Republicans. Why should anyone trust your opinion?

I note also, that you consider yourself an influencer who is very persuasive in you family and circle of friends..

This year, you influence them to vote for Trump while posting over here how deficient you candidate is.

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You re a weird dude. I am not an influencer, nor claimed to be one. Perhaps when I was younger I spent more time time on it but now I spend little time trying to influence anyone in real life on politics, though sure enough I do teach my kids about watching our for the groomers. As for posting here, well I just come here to post because it's some (mostly) smart dudes that like to banter on politics in a non hostile environment. Hyperbole is rampant but I'm good with that, makes it fun.

Romney was never my guy, though I supported him over the alternative.

So yeah, your narrative here on me just seems off. Why would I not openly talk about a candidates deficiencies with anyone, here or in the real world? And what deficiencies do I focus on here?

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That post was a response to Mothra, not you.

Osodecentx said:

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Mothra said:

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Osodecentx said:

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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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Mothra said:

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Fre3dombear said:

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The polls had him believing they'd beat Marxist Obama even after he took a dive in debates 2 and 3

Same setup here.

So much money will be lost betting on trump

---

Romney wasn't ahead in any of the polls. After his first debate, he narrowed Obama's lead, but he was consistently behind Obama in all of the major polls. The gap widened as the election got closer.

Polling in this case is completely different. Trump is now ahead in most of the swing states, and he is winning certain demographics that are a good indicator he could win this election, perhaps even convincingly - as long as he doesn't do something to screw it up. That was never the case for Romney.

---

If it's not obvious to you by now, Romney was on the same team as Obama. Just a snake playing his part.

---

You nominated Romney, I voted for your preferred candidate, never again

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How do you you know Romney was his preferred candidate?

I know you like to play this little schtick that you're no longer a Republican, but it's pretty disingenuous to try to disavow association with the party when you consistently voted Republican in the Republican primaries for years prior to 2024.

Truth is, Romney was YOUR preferred candidate. You love you those milquetoast Republicans.

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I voted for Romney and the rest of your presidential candidates, then you tell me they are milquetoast Republicans. Why should anyone trust your opinion?

I note also, that you consider yourself an influencer who is very persuasive in you family and circle of friends..

This year, you influence them to vote for Trump while posting over here how deficient you candidate is.

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Why did you vote for your party's presidential candidate in the primaries if he's so milquetoast? Why did you continue to support your party's presidential candidates for years if they were so terrible? Perhaps you continuing to support your party's weak presidential candidates in the primaries is the reason we ended up with Trump - blowback for all the milquetoast candidates your party nominated for years.

I don't consider myself an "influencer" outside of anyone but my immediate family. My family is full of liberals and milquetoast "conservatives" such as yourself who have Trump Derangement Syndrome. Most of them, like you, will be supporting Kamala Harris, either through their vote or non-vote.

As for Trump, he is truly a deficient candidate. The difference between you and I is I understand that the only viable alternative is actually dangerous to the country and conservative causes, and a much worse candidate if you are an actual conservative. You are either a) blinded by your hatred for Trump, and are unable to see the big picture; or b) aren't really conservative.

Mothra said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Mothra said:

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Osodecentx said:

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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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Mothra said:

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Fre3dombear said:

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The polls had him believing they'd beat Marxist Obama even after he took a dive in debates 2 and 3

Same setup here.

So much money will be lost betting on trump

---

Romney wasn't ahead in any of the polls. After his first debate, he narrowed Obama's lead, but he was consistently behind Obama in all of the major polls. The gap widened as the election got closer.

Polling in this case is completely different. Trump is now ahead in most of the swing states, and he is winning certain demographics that are a good indicator he could win this election, perhaps even convincingly - as long as he doesn't do something to screw it up. That was never the case for Romney.

---

If it's not obvious to you by now, Romney was on the same team as Obama. Just a snake playing his part.

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You nominated Romney, I voted for your preferred candidate, never again

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How do you you know Romney was his preferred candidate?

I know you like to play this little schtick that you're no longer a Republican, but it's pretty disingenuous to try to disavow association with the party when you consistently voted Republican in the Republican primaries for years prior to 2024.

Truth is, Romney was YOUR preferred candidate. You love you those milquetoast Republicans.

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I voted for Romney and the rest of your presidential candidates, then you tell me they are milquetoast Republicans. Why should anyone trust your opinion?

I note also, that you consider yourself an influencer who is very persuasive in you family and circle of friends..

This year, you influence them to vote for Trump while posting over here how deficient you candidate is.

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Why did you vote for your party's presidential candidate in the primaries if he's so milquetoast? Why did you continue to support your party's presidential candidates for years if they were so terrible? Perhaps you continuing to support your party's weak presidential candidates in the primaries is the reason your party nominated Trump.

I don't consider myself an "influencer" outside of anyone but my immediate family. My family is full of liberals and milquetoast "conservatives" such as yourself who have Trump Derangement Syndrome. Most of them, like you, will be supporting Kamala Harris, either through their vote or non-vote.

As for Trump, he is truly a deficient candidate. The difference between you and I is I understand that the only viable alternative is actually dangerous to the country and conservative causes, and a much worse candidate if you are an actual conservative. You are blinded by your hatred for Trump, and are unable to see the big picture.

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in re: not voting for Trump
Please get your Trump KJV Bible out and turn to the US Constitution. Jan 6 disqualifies Trump.

Osodecentx said:

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Mothra said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Mothra said:

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Osodecentx said:

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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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Mothra said:

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Fre3dombear said:

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The polls had him believing they'd beat Marxist Obama even after he took a dive in debates 2 and 3

Same setup here.

So much money will be lost betting on trump

---

Romney wasn't ahead in any of the polls. After his first debate, he narrowed Obama's lead, but he was consistently behind Obama in all of the major polls. The gap widened as the election got closer.

Polling in this case is completely different. Trump is now ahead in most of the swing states, and he is winning certain demographics that are a good indicator he could win this election, perhaps even convincingly - as long as he doesn't do something to screw it up. That was never the case for Romney.

---

If it's not obvious to you by now, Romney was on the same team as Obama. Just a snake playing his part.

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You nominated Romney, I voted for your preferred candidate, never again

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How do you you know Romney was his preferred candidate?

I know you like to play this little schtick that you're no longer a Republican, but it's pretty disingenuous to try to disavow association with the party when you consistently voted Republican in the Republican primaries for years prior to 2024.

Truth is, Romney was YOUR preferred candidate. You love you those milquetoast Republicans.

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I voted for Romney and the rest of your presidential candidates, then you tell me they are milquetoast Republicans. Why should anyone trust your opinion?

I note also, that you consider yourself an influencer who is very persuasive in you family and circle of friends..

This year, you influence them to vote for Trump while posting over here how deficient you candidate is.

---

Why did you vote for your party's presidential candidate in the primaries if he's so milquetoast? Why did you continue to support your party's presidential candidates for years if they were so terrible? Perhaps you continuing to support your party's weak presidential candidates in the primaries is the reason your party nominated Trump.

I don't consider myself an "influencer" outside of anyone but my immediate family. My family is full of liberals and milquetoast "conservatives" such as yourself who have Trump Derangement Syndrome. Most of them, like you, will be supporting Kamala Harris, either through their vote or non-vote.

As for Trump, he is truly a deficient candidate. The difference between you and I is I understand that the only viable alternative is actually dangerous to the country and conservative causes, and a much worse candidate if you are an actual conservative. You are blinded by your hatred for Trump, and are unable to see the big picture.

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in re: not voting for Trump
Please get your Trump KJV Bible out and turn to the US Constitution. Jan 6 disqualifies Trump.

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And yet, the Supreme Court hasn't disqualified him. So I guess you're wrong again.

You prefer Kamala Harris and her dangerous policies, which means you are either a) blinded by your hatred for Trump, and are unable to see the big picture; or b) aren't really conservative.

Osodecentx said:

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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Mothra said:

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Osodecentx said:

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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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Mothra said:

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Fre3dombear said:

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The polls had him believing they'd beat Marxist Obama even after he took a dive in debates 2 and 3

Same setup here.

So much money will be lost betting on trump

---

Romney wasn't ahead in any of the polls. After his first debate, he narrowed Obama's lead, but he was consistently behind Obama in all of the major polls. The gap widened as the election got closer.

Polling in this case is completely different. Trump is now ahead in most of the swing states, and he is winning certain demographics that are a good indicator he could win this election, perhaps even convincingly - as long as he doesn't do something to screw it up. That was never the case for Romney.

---

If it's not obvious to you by now, Romney was on the same team as Obama. Just a snake playing his part.

---

You nominated Romney, I voted for your preferred candidate, never again

---

How do you you know Romney was his preferred candidate?

I know you like to play this little schtick that you're no longer a Republican, but it's pretty disingenuous to try to disavow association with the party when you consistently voted Republican in the Republican primaries for years prior to 2024.

Truth is, Romney was YOUR preferred candidate. You love you those milquetoast Republicans.

---

I voted for Romney and the rest of your presidential candidates, then you tell me they are milquetoast Republicans. Why should anyone trust your opinion?

I note also, that you consider yourself an influencer who is very persuasive in you family and circle of friends..

This year, you influence them to vote for Trump while posting over here how deficient you candidate is.

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You re a weird dude. I am not an influencer, nor claimed to be one. Perhaps when I was younger I spent more time time on it but now I spend little time trying to influence anyone in real life on politics, though sure enough I do teach my kids about watching our for the groomers. As for posting here, well I just come here to post because it's some (mostly) smart dudes that like to banter on politics in a non hostile environment. Hyperbole is rampant but I'm good with that, makes it fun.

Romney was never my guy, though I supported him over the alternative.

So yeah, your narrative here on me just seems off. Why would I not openly talk about a candidates deficiencies with anyone, here or in the real world? And what deficiencies do I focus on here?

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That post was a response to Mothra, not you.

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Dude, I'm really sorry. I need to stay off my phone. 2nd time today. Apologies for my post. Will clean it up above.

Fre3dombear said:

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The polls had him believing they'd beat Marxist Obama even after he took a dive in debates 2 and 3

Same setup here.

So much money will be lost betting on trump

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Importing in millions of 3rd worlders has probably helped to make sure Trump (or any populist right figure) can never be elected again.

A final solution to the American conservative problem.

Mothra said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Mothra said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Mothra said:

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Osodecentx said:

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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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Mothra said:

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Fre3dombear said:

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The polls had him believing they'd beat Marxist Obama even after he took a dive in debates 2 and 3

Same setup here.

So much money will be lost betting on trump

---

Romney wasn't ahead in any of the polls. After his first debate, he narrowed Obama's lead, but he was consistently behind Obama in all of the major polls. The gap widened as the election got closer.

Polling in this case is completely different. Trump is now ahead in most of the swing states, and he is winning certain demographics that are a good indicator he could win this election, perhaps even convincingly - as long as he doesn't do something to screw it up. That was never the case for Romney.

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If it's not obvious to you by now, Romney was on the same team as Obama. Just a snake playing his part.

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You nominated Romney, I voted for your preferred candidate, never again

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How do you you know Romney was his preferred candidate?

I know you like to play this little schtick that you're no longer a Republican, but it's pretty disingenuous to try to disavow association with the party when you consistently voted Republican in the Republican primaries for years prior to 2024.

Truth is, Romney was YOUR preferred candidate. You love you those milquetoast Republicans.

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I voted for Romney and the rest of your presidential candidates, then you tell me they are milquetoast Republicans. Why should anyone trust your opinion?

I note also, that you consider yourself an influencer who is very persuasive in you family and circle of friends..

This year, you influence them to vote for Trump while posting over here how deficient you candidate is.

---

Why did you vote for your party's presidential candidate in the primaries if he's so milquetoast? Why did you continue to support your party's presidential candidates for years if they were so terrible? Perhaps you continuing to support your party's weak presidential candidates in the primaries is the reason your party nominated Trump.

I don't consider myself an "influencer" outside of anyone but my immediate family. My family is full of liberals and milquetoast "conservatives" such as yourself who have Trump Derangement Syndrome. Most of them, like you, will be supporting Kamala Harris, either through their vote or non-vote.

As for Trump, he is truly a deficient candidate. The difference between you and I is I understand that the only viable alternative is actually dangerous to the country and conservative causes, and a much worse candidate if you are an actual conservative. You are blinded by your hatred for Trump, and are unable to see the big picture.

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in re: not voting for Trump
Please get your Trump KJV Bible out and turn to the US Constitution. Jan 6 disqualifies Trump.

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And yet, the Supreme Court hasn't disqualified him. So I guess you're wrong again.

You prefer Kamala Harris and her dangerous policies, which means you are either a) blinded by your hatred for Trump, and are unable to see the big picture; or b) aren't really conservative.

---

The man sat on his thumbs while the US Capitol was attacked because he liked the fact those doing the attacking did it on his behalf. There has never been a clearer dereliction of presidential duty, no matter what led up to it. You do not have to agree that it is disqualifying, but to act like people who see that day as disqualifying are oblivious to the "danger to the country" is a really close-minded thought process.

Frank Galvin said:

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Mothra said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Mothra said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Mothra said:

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Osodecentx said:

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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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Mothra said:

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Fre3dombear said:

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The polls had him believing they'd beat Marxist Obama even after he took a dive in debates 2 and 3

Same setup here.

So much money will be lost betting on trump

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Romney wasn't ahead in any of the polls. After his first debate, he narrowed Obama's lead, but he was consistently behind Obama in all of the major polls. The gap widened as the election got closer.

Polling in this case is completely different. Trump is now ahead in most of the swing states, and he is winning certain demographics that are a good indicator he could win this election, perhaps even convincingly - as long as he doesn't do something to screw it up. That was never the case for Romney.

---

If it's not obvious to you by now, Romney was on the same team as Obama. Just a snake playing his part.

---

You nominated Romney, I voted for your preferred candidate, never again

---

How do you you know Romney was his preferred candidate?

I know you like to play this little schtick that you're no longer a Republican, but it's pretty disingenuous to try to disavow association with the party when you consistently voted Republican in the Republican primaries for years prior to 2024.

Truth is, Romney was YOUR preferred candidate. You love you those milquetoast Republicans.

---

I voted for Romney and the rest of your presidential candidates, then you tell me they are milquetoast Republicans. Why should anyone trust your opinion?

I note also, that you consider yourself an influencer who is very persuasive in you family and circle of friends..

This year, you influence them to vote for Trump while posting over here how deficient you candidate is.

---

Why did you vote for your party's presidential candidate in the primaries if he's so milquetoast? Why did you continue to support your party's presidential candidates for years if they were so terrible? Perhaps you continuing to support your party's weak presidential candidates in the primaries is the reason your party nominated Trump.

I don't consider myself an "influencer" outside of anyone but my immediate family. My family is full of liberals and milquetoast "conservatives" such as yourself who have Trump Derangement Syndrome. Most of them, like you, will be supporting Kamala Harris, either through their vote or non-vote.

As for Trump, he is truly a deficient candidate. The difference between you and I is I understand that the only viable alternative is actually dangerous to the country and conservative causes, and a much worse candidate if you are an actual conservative. You are blinded by your hatred for Trump, and are unable to see the big picture.

---

in re: not voting for Trump
Please get your Trump KJV Bible out and turn to the US Constitution. Jan 6 disqualifies Trump.

---

And yet, the Supreme Court hasn't disqualified him. So I guess you're wrong again.

You prefer Kamala Harris and her dangerous policies, which means you are either a) blinded by your hatred for Trump, and are unable to see the big picture; or b) aren't really conservative.

---

The man sat on his thumbs while the US Capitol was attacked because he liked the fact those doing the attacking did it on his behalf. There has never been a clearer dereliction of presidential duty, no matter what led up to it. You do not have to agree that it is disqualifying, but to act like people who see that day as disqualifying are oblivious to the "danger to the country" is a really close-minded thought process.

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I don't disagree with you on J6. I thought it was despicable. But as a conservative, I see Kamala Harris's policies - which are the things that are going to affect everyday Americans - as much more dangerous for the country than the events of J6. Any reasonable conservative would.

I do not expect you to understand or agree, since you don't share my conservative values. But as the dad of draft age children and as someone who lives in an area close to the border, I am MUCH more concerned about the vapid Kamala Harris and her policies than Trump's behavior on J6.

Frank Galvin said:

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Mothra said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Mothra said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Mothra said:

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Osodecentx said:

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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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Mothra said:

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Fre3dombear said:

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The polls had him believing they'd beat Marxist Obama even after he took a dive in debates 2 and 3

Same setup here.

So much money will be lost betting on trump

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Romney wasn't ahead in any of the polls. After his first debate, he narrowed Obama's lead, but he was consistently behind Obama in all of the major polls. The gap widened as the election got closer.

Polling in this case is completely different. Trump is now ahead in most of the swing states, and he is winning certain demographics that are a good indicator he could win this election, perhaps even convincingly - as long as he doesn't do something to screw it up. That was never the case for Romney.

---

If it's not obvious to you by now, Romney was on the same team as Obama. Just a snake playing his part.

---

You nominated Romney, I voted for your preferred candidate, never again

---

How do you you know Romney was his preferred candidate?

I know you like to play this little schtick that you're no longer a Republican, but it's pretty disingenuous to try to disavow association with the party when you consistently voted Republican in the Republican primaries for years prior to 2024.

Truth is, Romney was YOUR preferred candidate. You love you those milquetoast Republicans.

---

I voted for Romney and the rest of your presidential candidates, then you tell me they are milquetoast Republicans. Why should anyone trust your opinion?

I note also, that you consider yourself an influencer who is very persuasive in you family and circle of friends..

This year, you influence them to vote for Trump while posting over here how deficient you candidate is.

---

Why did you vote for your party's presidential candidate in the primaries if he's so milquetoast? Why did you continue to support your party's presidential candidates for years if they were so terrible? Perhaps you continuing to support your party's weak presidential candidates in the primaries is the reason your party nominated Trump.

I don't consider myself an "influencer" outside of anyone but my immediate family. My family is full of liberals and milquetoast "conservatives" such as yourself who have Trump Derangement Syndrome. Most of them, like you, will be supporting Kamala Harris, either through their vote or non-vote.

As for Trump, he is truly a deficient candidate. The difference between you and I is I understand that the only viable alternative is actually dangerous to the country and conservative causes, and a much worse candidate if you are an actual conservative. You are blinded by your hatred for Trump, and are unable to see the big picture.

---

in re: not voting for Trump
Please get your Trump KJV Bible out and turn to the US Constitution. Jan 6 disqualifies Trump.

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And yet, the Supreme Court hasn't disqualified him. So I guess you're wrong again.

You prefer Kamala Harris and her dangerous policies, which means you are either a) blinded by your hatred for Trump, and are unable to see the big picture; or b) aren't really conservative.

---

The man sat on his thumbs while the US Capitol was attacked because he liked the fact those doing the attacking did it on his behalf. There has never been a clearer dereliction of presidential duty, no matter what led up to it. You do not have to agree that it is disqualifying, but to act like people who see that day as disqualifying are oblivious to the "danger to the country" is a really close-minded thought process.

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you are allowed your opinion. Just dont see others opinion as wrong and attack them for it.

Sounds like what you said so lets make sure we are in agreement and remember both sides get an opinion.

Opinion is that nothing Trump has done is disqualifying. The fact is congress is the only body who can decide that what Trump did is disqualifying or not.. and cogress has not ruled on this issue so either he didnt do anything disqualifying or they are waiting to change the make up of congress to disqualify him. Congress is seated before POTUS.

If he wins and is sworn in on Jan 20th then your opinion that he did something disqualifying remains just an opinion

4th and Inches said:

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Frank Galvin said:

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Mothra said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Mothra said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Mothra said:

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Osodecentx said:

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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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Mothra said:

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Fre3dombear said:

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The polls had him believing they'd beat Marxist Obama even after he took a dive in debates 2 and 3

Same setup here.

So much money will be lost betting on trump

---

Romney wasn't ahead in any of the polls. After his first debate, he narrowed Obama's lead, but he was consistently behind Obama in all of the major polls. The gap widened as the election got closer.

Polling in this case is completely different. Trump is now ahead in most of the swing states, and he is winning certain demographics that are a good indicator he could win this election, perhaps even convincingly - as long as he doesn't do something to screw it up. That was never the case for Romney.

---

If it's not obvious to you by now, Romney was on the same team as Obama. Just a snake playing his part.

---

You nominated Romney, I voted for your preferred candidate, never again

---

How do you you know Romney was his preferred candidate?

I know you like to play this little schtick that you're no longer a Republican, but it's pretty disingenuous to try to disavow association with the party when you consistently voted Republican in the Republican primaries for years prior to 2024.

Truth is, Romney was YOUR preferred candidate. You love you those milquetoast Republicans.

---

I voted for Romney and the rest of your presidential candidates, then you tell me they are milquetoast Republicans. Why should anyone trust your opinion?

I note also, that you consider yourself an influencer who is very persuasive in you family and circle of friends..

This year, you influence them to vote for Trump while posting over here how deficient you candidate is.

---

Why did you vote for your party's presidential candidate in the primaries if he's so milquetoast? Why did you continue to support your party's presidential candidates for years if they were so terrible? Perhaps you continuing to support your party's weak presidential candidates in the primaries is the reason your party nominated Trump.

I don't consider myself an "influencer" outside of anyone but my immediate family. My family is full of liberals and milquetoast "conservatives" such as yourself who have Trump Derangement Syndrome. Most of them, like you, will be supporting Kamala Harris, either through their vote or non-vote.

As for Trump, he is truly a deficient candidate. The difference between you and I is I understand that the only viable alternative is actually dangerous to the country and conservative causes, and a much worse candidate if you are an actual conservative. You are blinded by your hatred for Trump, and are unable to see the big picture.

---

in re: not voting for Trump
Please get your Trump KJV Bible out and turn to the US Constitution. Jan 6 disqualifies Trump.

---

And yet, the Supreme Court hasn't disqualified him. So I guess you're wrong again.

You prefer Kamala Harris and her dangerous policies, which means you are either a) blinded by your hatred for Trump, and are unable to see the big picture; or b) aren't really conservative.

---

The man sat on his thumbs while the US Capitol was attacked because he liked the fact those doing the attacking did it on his behalf. There has never been a clearer dereliction of presidential duty, no matter what led up to it. You do not have to agree that it is disqualifying, but to act like people who see that day as disqualifying are oblivious to the "danger to the country" is a really close-minded thought process.

---

you are allowed your opinion. Just dont see others opinion as wrong and attack them for it.

Sounds like what you said so lets make sure we are in agreement and remember both sides get an opinion.

Opinion is that nothing Trump has done is disqualifying. The fact is congress is the only body who can decide that what Trump did is disqualifying or not.. and cogress has not ruled on this issue so either he didnt do anything disqualifying or they are waiting to change the make up of congress to disqualify him. Congress is seated before POTUS.

If he wins and is sworn in on Jan 20th then your opinion that he did something disqualifying remains just an opinion

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I understand it is my opinion. The fact that 43 GOP senators lacked the guts to do what they should have after J6 does not change my opinion that he should have been disqualified from holding elective office.

Frank Galvin said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Frank Galvin said:

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Mothra said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Mothra said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Mothra said:

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Osodecentx said:

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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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Mothra said:

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Fre3dombear said:

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The polls had him believing they'd beat Marxist Obama even after he took a dive in debates 2 and 3

Same setup here.

So much money will be lost betting on trump

---

Romney wasn't ahead in any of the polls. After his first debate, he narrowed Obama's lead, but he was consistently behind Obama in all of the major polls. The gap widened as the election got closer.

Polling in this case is completely different. Trump is now ahead in most of the swing states, and he is winning certain demographics that are a good indicator he could win this election, perhaps even convincingly - as long as he doesn't do something to screw it up. That was never the case for Romney.

---

If it's not obvious to you by now, Romney was on the same team as Obama. Just a snake playing his part.

---

You nominated Romney, I voted for your preferred candidate, never again

---

How do you you know Romney was his preferred candidate?

I know you like to play this little schtick that you're no longer a Republican, but it's pretty disingenuous to try to disavow association with the party when you consistently voted Republican in the Republican primaries for years prior to 2024.

Truth is, Romney was YOUR preferred candidate. You love you those milquetoast Republicans.

---

I voted for Romney and the rest of your presidential candidates, then you tell me they are milquetoast Republicans. Why should anyone trust your opinion?

I note also, that you consider yourself an influencer who is very persuasive in you family and circle of friends..

This year, you influence them to vote for Trump while posting over here how deficient you candidate is.

---

Why did you vote for your party's presidential candidate in the primaries if he's so milquetoast? Why did you continue to support your party's presidential candidates for years if they were so terrible? Perhaps you continuing to support your party's weak presidential candidates in the primaries is the reason your party nominated Trump.

I don't consider myself an "influencer" outside of anyone but my immediate family. My family is full of liberals and milquetoast "conservatives" such as yourself who have Trump Derangement Syndrome. Most of them, like you, will be supporting Kamala Harris, either through their vote or non-vote.

As for Trump, he is truly a deficient candidate. The difference between you and I is I understand that the only viable alternative is actually dangerous to the country and conservative causes, and a much worse candidate if you are an actual conservative. You are blinded by your hatred for Trump, and are unable to see the big picture.

---

in re: not voting for Trump
Please get your Trump KJV Bible out and turn to the US Constitution. Jan 6 disqualifies Trump.

---

And yet, the Supreme Court hasn't disqualified him. So I guess you're wrong again.

You prefer Kamala Harris and her dangerous policies, which means you are either a) blinded by your hatred for Trump, and are unable to see the big picture; or b) aren't really conservative.

---

The man sat on his thumbs while the US Capitol was attacked because he liked the fact those doing the attacking did it on his behalf. There has never been a clearer dereliction of presidential duty, no matter what led up to it. You do not have to agree that it is disqualifying, but to act like people who see that day as disqualifying are oblivious to the "danger to the country" is a really close-minded thought process.

---

you are allowed your opinion. Just dont see others opinion as wrong and attack them for it.

Sounds like what you said so lets make sure we are in agreement and remember both sides get an opinion.

Opinion is that nothing Trump has done is disqualifying. The fact is congress is the only body who can decide that what Trump did is disqualifying or not.. and cogress has not ruled on this issue so either he didnt do anything disqualifying or they are waiting to change the make up of congress to disqualify him. Congress is seated before POTUS.

If he wins and is sworn in on Jan 20th then your opinion that he did something disqualifying remains just an opinion

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I understand it is my opinion. The fact that 43 GOP senators lacked the guts to do what they should have after J6 does not change my opinion that he should have been disqualified from holding elective office.

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all of that is your opinion and you are free to have it.

I respectfully disagree.

Mothra said:

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Fre3dombear said:

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The polls had him believing they'd beat Marxist Obama even after he took a dive in debates 2 and 3

Same setup here.

So much money will be lost betting on trump

---

Romney wasn't ahead in any of the polls. After his first debate, he narrowed Obama's lead, but he was consistently behind Obama in all of the major polls. The gap widened as the election got closer.

Polling in this case is completely different. Trump is now ahead in most of the swing states, and he is winning certain demographics that are a good indicator he could win this election, perhaps even convincingly - as long as he doesn't do something to screw it up. That was never the case for Romney.

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Mitt Romney would have been a far better president than Obama. Possibly even a great president.

In my view his lost presidency is one of America's great
' what ifs '.

4th and Inches said:

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Frank Galvin said:

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Mothra said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Mothra said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Mothra said:

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Osodecentx said:

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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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Mothra said:

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Fre3dombear said:

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The polls had him believing they'd beat Marxist Obama even after he took a dive in debates 2 and 3

Same setup here.

So much money will be lost betting on trump

---

Romney wasn't ahead in any of the polls. After his first debate, he narrowed Obama's lead, but he was consistently behind Obama in all of the major polls. The gap widened as the election got closer.

Polling in this case is completely different. Trump is now ahead in most of the swing states, and he is winning certain demographics that are a good indicator he could win this election, perhaps even convincingly - as long as he doesn't do something to screw it up. That was never the case for Romney.

---

If it's not obvious to you by now, Romney was on the same team as Obama. Just a snake playing his part.

---

You nominated Romney, I voted for your preferred candidate, never again

---

How do you you know Romney was his preferred candidate?

I know you like to play this little schtick that you're no longer a Republican, but it's pretty disingenuous to try to disavow association with the party when you consistently voted Republican in the Republican primaries for years prior to 2024.

Truth is, Romney was YOUR preferred candidate. You love you those milquetoast Republicans.

---

I voted for Romney and the rest of your presidential candidates, then you tell me they are milquetoast Republicans. Why should anyone trust your opinion?

I note also, that you consider yourself an influencer who is very persuasive in you family and circle of friends..

This year, you influence them to vote for Trump while posting over here how deficient you candidate is.

---

Why did you vote for your party's presidential candidate in the primaries if he's so milquetoast? Why did you continue to support your party's presidential candidates for years if they were so terrible? Perhaps you continuing to support your party's weak presidential candidates in the primaries is the reason your party nominated Trump.

I don't consider myself an "influencer" outside of anyone but my immediate family. My family is full of liberals and milquetoast "conservatives" such as yourself who have Trump Derangement Syndrome. Most of them, like you, will be supporting Kamala Harris, either through their vote or non-vote.

As for Trump, he is truly a deficient candidate. The difference between you and I is I understand that the only viable alternative is actually dangerous to the country and conservative causes, and a much worse candidate if you are an actual conservative. You are blinded by your hatred for Trump, and are unable to see the big picture.

---

in re: not voting for Trump
Please get your Trump KJV Bible out and turn to the US Constitution. Jan 6 disqualifies Trump.

---

And yet, the Supreme Court hasn't disqualified him. So I guess you're wrong again.

You prefer Kamala Harris and her dangerous policies, which means you are either a) blinded by your hatred for Trump, and are unable to see the big picture; or b) aren't really conservative.

---

The man sat on his thumbs while the US Capitol was attacked because he liked the fact those doing the attacking did it on his behalf. There has never been a clearer dereliction of presidential duty, no matter what led up to it. You do not have to agree that it is disqualifying, but to act like people who see that day as disqualifying are oblivious to the "danger to the country" is a really close-minded thought process.

---

you are allowed your opinion. Just dont see others opinion as wrong and attack them for it.

Sounds like what you said so lets make sure we are in agreement and remember both sides get an opinion.

Opinion is that nothing Trump has done is disqualifying. The fact is congress is the only body who can decide that what Trump did is disqualifying or not.. and cogress has not ruled on this issue so either he didnt do anything disqualifying or they are waiting to change the make up of congress to disqualify him. Congress is seated before POTUS.

If he wins and is sworn in on Jan 20th then your opinion that he did something disqualifying remains just an opinion

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Jan 6 disqualifies Trump from receiving my vote.

Osodecentx said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Frank Galvin said:

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Mothra said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Mothra said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Mothra said:

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Osodecentx said:

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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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Mothra said:

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Fre3dombear said:

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The polls had him believing they'd beat Marxist Obama even after he took a dive in debates 2 and 3

Same setup here.

So much money will be lost betting on trump

---

Romney wasn't ahead in any of the polls. After his first debate, he narrowed Obama's lead, but he was consistently behind Obama in all of the major polls. The gap widened as the election got closer.

Polling in this case is completely different. Trump is now ahead in most of the swing states, and he is winning certain demographics that are a good indicator he could win this election, perhaps even convincingly - as long as he doesn't do something to screw it up. That was never the case for Romney.

---

If it's not obvious to you by now, Romney was on the same team as Obama. Just a snake playing his part.

---

You nominated Romney, I voted for your preferred candidate, never again

---

How do you you know Romney was his preferred candidate?

I know you like to play this little schtick that you're no longer a Republican, but it's pretty disingenuous to try to disavow association with the party when you consistently voted Republican in the Republican primaries for years prior to 2024.

Truth is, Romney was YOUR preferred candidate. You love you those milquetoast Republicans.

---

I voted for Romney and the rest of your presidential candidates, then you tell me they are milquetoast Republicans. Why should anyone trust your opinion?

I note also, that you consider yourself an influencer who is very persuasive in you family and circle of friends..

This year, you influence them to vote for Trump while posting over here how deficient you candidate is.

---

Why did you vote for your party's presidential candidate in the primaries if he's so milquetoast? Why did you continue to support your party's presidential candidates for years if they were so terrible? Perhaps you continuing to support your party's weak presidential candidates in the primaries is the reason your party nominated Trump.

I don't consider myself an "influencer" outside of anyone but my immediate family. My family is full of liberals and milquetoast "conservatives" such as yourself who have Trump Derangement Syndrome. Most of them, like you, will be supporting Kamala Harris, either through their vote or non-vote.

As for Trump, he is truly a deficient candidate. The difference between you and I is I understand that the only viable alternative is actually dangerous to the country and conservative causes, and a much worse candidate if you are an actual conservative. You are blinded by your hatred for Trump, and are unable to see the big picture.

---

in re: not voting for Trump
Please get your Trump KJV Bible out and turn to the US Constitution. Jan 6 disqualifies Trump.

---

And yet, the Supreme Court hasn't disqualified him. So I guess you're wrong again.

You prefer Kamala Harris and her dangerous policies, which means you are either a) blinded by your hatred for Trump, and are unable to see the big picture; or b) aren't really conservative.

---

The man sat on his thumbs while the US Capitol was attacked because he liked the fact those doing the attacking did it on his behalf. There has never been a clearer dereliction of presidential duty, no matter what led up to it. You do not have to agree that it is disqualifying, but to act like people who see that day as disqualifying are oblivious to the "danger to the country" is a really close-minded thought process.

---

you are allowed your opinion. Just dont see others opinion as wrong and attack them for it.

Sounds like what you said so lets make sure we are in agreement and remember both sides get an opinion.

Opinion is that nothing Trump has done is disqualifying. The fact is congress is the only body who can decide that what Trump did is disqualifying or not.. and cogress has not ruled on this issue so either he didnt do anything disqualifying or they are waiting to change the make up of congress to disqualify him. Congress is seated before POTUS.

If he wins and is sworn in on Jan 20th then your opinion that he did something disqualifying remains just an opinion

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Jan 6 disqualifies Trump from receiving my vote.

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Jan 6th means as much to me as a Central American soccer game riot.

Stupid, pointless and tragic.

But not remotely an insurrection to the host country.

Jan 6th was nothing more than a psyop to disqualify Trump and try to lock him up. It failed.

Yeah to this. J6 wasn't an insurrection, objective people know that 99% were going to protest what was clearly an "unusual" election.

For the TDS "conservatives", if it wasn't J6, they'd find something else to blame it on. Yet they'll sit by and watch the Dems put in Walz, a child groomer, into office.

In a Democratic Republic, you don't always get the best candidates, so you do the best you can with your vote. Not voting strategically to send a message has never and will never make an impact at the federal level because we have the primaries.

KaiBear said:

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Osodecentx said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Frank Galvin said:

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Mothra said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Mothra said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Mothra said:

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Osodecentx said:

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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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Mothra said:

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Fre3dombear said:

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The polls had him believing they'd beat Marxist Obama even after he took a dive in debates 2 and 3

Same setup here.

So much money will be lost betting on trump

---

Romney wasn't ahead in any of the polls. After his first debate, he narrowed Obama's lead, but he was consistently behind Obama in all of the major polls. The gap widened as the election got closer.

Polling in this case is completely different. Trump is now ahead in most of the swing states, and he is winning certain demographics that are a good indicator he could win this election, perhaps even convincingly - as long as he doesn't do something to screw it up. That was never the case for Romney.

---

If it's not obvious to you by now, Romney was on the same team as Obama. Just a snake playing his part.

---

You nominated Romney, I voted for your preferred candidate, never again

---

How do you you know Romney was his preferred candidate?

I know you like to play this little schtick that you're no longer a Republican, but it's pretty disingenuous to try to disavow association with the party when you consistently voted Republican in the Republican primaries for years prior to 2024.

Truth is, Romney was YOUR preferred candidate. You love you those milquetoast Republicans.

---

I voted for Romney and the rest of your presidential candidates, then you tell me they are milquetoast Republicans. Why should anyone trust your opinion?

I note also, that you consider yourself an influencer who is very persuasive in you family and circle of friends..

This year, you influence them to vote for Trump while posting over here how deficient you candidate is.

---

Why did you vote for your party's presidential candidate in the primaries if he's so milquetoast? Why did you continue to support your party's presidential candidates for years if they were so terrible? Perhaps you continuing to support your party's weak presidential candidates in the primaries is the reason your party nominated Trump.

I don't consider myself an "influencer" outside of anyone but my immediate family. My family is full of liberals and milquetoast "conservatives" such as yourself who have Trump Derangement Syndrome. Most of them, like you, will be supporting Kamala Harris, either through their vote or non-vote.

As for Trump, he is truly a deficient candidate. The difference between you and I is I understand that the only viable alternative is actually dangerous to the country and conservative causes, and a much worse candidate if you are an actual conservative. You are blinded by your hatred for Trump, and are unable to see the big picture.

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in re: not voting for Trump
Please get your Trump KJV Bible out and turn to the US Constitution. Jan 6 disqualifies Trump.

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And yet, the Supreme Court hasn't disqualified him. So I guess you're wrong again.

You prefer Kamala Harris and her dangerous policies, which means you are either a) blinded by your hatred for Trump, and are unable to see the big picture; or b) aren't really conservative.

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The man sat on his thumbs while the US Capitol was attacked because he liked the fact those doing the attacking did it on his behalf. There has never been a clearer dereliction of presidential duty, no matter what led up to it. You do not have to agree that it is disqualifying, but to act like people who see that day as disqualifying are oblivious to the "danger to the country" is a really close-minded thought process.

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you are allowed your opinion. Just dont see others opinion as wrong and attack them for it.

Sounds like what you said so lets make sure we are in agreement and remember both sides get an opinion.

Opinion is that nothing Trump has done is disqualifying. The fact is congress is the only body who can decide that what Trump did is disqualifying or not.. and cogress has not ruled on this issue so either he didnt do anything disqualifying or they are waiting to change the make up of congress to disqualify him. Congress is seated before POTUS.

If he wins and is sworn in on Jan 20th then your opinion that he did something disqualifying remains just an opinion

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Jan 6 disqualifies Trump from receiving my vote.

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Jan 6th means as much to me as a Central American soccer game riot.

Stupid, pointless and tragic.

But not remotely an insurrection to the host country.

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Everything happened precisely as Trump intended. The mob was supposed to march to the Capitol. It was supposed to stop the certification. Why would Trump call it off when it was doing exactly what he wanted it to do?

There was advanced planning of a major disruptive event on Jan. 6. Trump planned the "rally" on Jan 6. Rudy Giuliani, on Jan. 2, said that Jan. 6 was "going to be a great day" and that they're going to the Capitol. The lady organizing Stop the Steal said on Jan 5 that Trump would call for the mob to march on the Capitol.
There was advanced awareness within the White House and a lot of people in the White House were worried.

Trump had knowledge on the morning of Jan. 6 that these demonstrators were armed. Tony Ornato mentioned Trump's awareness that they had knives, guns, body armor, and spears. Trump was furious that the enclosure where people could come hear his speech wasn't full. Trump said let's get rid of the magnetometers because "they're not here to hurt me." He's aware that they've got weapons and his reaction is, who cares?

Trump told the demonstrators to go to the Capitol and "I'll go with you". Then he told the Secret Service detail to take him to the Capitol. The mob actually launched its violent assault during and immediately after Trump's speech urging them to march to the Capitol.

Some offer the defense that Trump used words and tweets like march "peacefully and patriotically" and then later to "remain peaceful" and "stay peaceful." But that's not all he said or did. He summoned the mob, he knew the crowd was armed, and he told the crowd to "fight like hell". Other speakers urged "trial by combat" and asked the crowd to sacrifice "their blood, their sweat, their tears" and even perhaps their very lives.
When the attack was under way, he inflamed the crowd by tweeting that "Mike Pence didn't have the courage to do what was necessary." In his speech the morning of Jan. 6, Trump invoked Pence several times. Drafts of the speech did not mention the vice president, but Trump added in lines and ad-libbed more, Aguilar said. Hearings later this month will detail that process further, he said.
"All Mike Pence has to do is send it back to the states to recertify, and we become president and you are the happiest people," he told his supporters.
At 2:24 p.m., Trump tweeted a criticism of Pence for not seeking to execute the fake-elector strategy. That tweet inflamed the mob that had by then breached the Capitol.
As the mob assaulted the Capitol, Trump sat in his dining room off the Oval Office, watching the violence on television and choosing to do nothing for hours to stop it.
If Trump truly wanted only a "peaceful" protest, why did he passively allow the violence to unfold? Why was it ultimately up to Mike Pence to skip the chain of command and call out the National Guard? These statements were backed up with testimony from Joint Chiefs Chairman Gen. Mark Milley, who said that Pence told Pentagon leaders to "get the Guard down here, put down this situation."
Trump gave no order to deploy the National Guard on Jan 6 and he made no effort to work with the Department of Justice to coordinate and deploy law enforcement assets."
I end where I started: everything happened precisely as Trump intended.