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Repubs almost certainly have it.

And don't ascribe to intentional malice, what can be explained by ineptitude. You guys crow about Florida counting so fast, butthey had to be a national embarrassment before righting the ship.

I will say I don't understand this level of incompetence. But it does seem simple incompetence.

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I'm not sure I would agree with that. I think its the far left holding the counts until they figure out if they can affect the outcome. Republicans saw just how far the left would go to steal an election like they did in 2020. An unexplained 15-20 million extra Democrats voting in the hand held Covid era. And look at the damage Biden-Harris did in the past three and half years. This time, with watchdogs, the Dem numbers dropped back to similar to 2012 and 2016. Unexplainable

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How many of those additional votes were mail in ballots though? People staying home didn't prevent voting.

I think once you account for how terror stricken people were about covid, then remember how hated Trump was, along with his refusal to agree to the peaceful transfer of power, you can see why abnormal numbers of people voted. A once in a lifetime pandemic, along with 4 straight years of Trump's backwards rhetoric, is enough to get people who normally don't care about politics, to vote.

It is not hard to find factors to explain more votes last cycle. Had 20 million votes actually been manufactured, there would be evidence, and someone would have talked by now. That is a large scale fraud operation.

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Assassin said:

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Porteroso said:

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Repubs almost certainly have it.

And don't ascribe to intentional malice, what can be explained by ineptitude. You guys crow about Florida counting so fast, butthey had to be a national embarrassment before righting the ship.

I will say I don't understand this level of incompetence. But it does seem simple incompetence.

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I'm not sure I would agree with that. I think its the far left holding the counts until they figure out if they can affect the outcome. Republicans saw just how far the left would go to steal an election like they did in 2020. An unexplained 15-20 million extra Democrats voting in the hand held Covid era. And look at the damage Biden-Harris did in the past three and half years. This time, with watchdogs, the Dem numbers dropped back to similar to 2012 and 2016. Unexplainable

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How many of those additional votes were mail in ballots though? People staying home didn't prevent voting.

I think once you account for how terror stricken people were about covid, then remember how hated Trump was, along with his refusal to agree to the peaceful transfer of power, you can see why abnormal numbers of people voted. A once in a lifetime pandemic, along with 4 straight years of Trump's backwards rhetoric, is enough to get people who normally don't care about politics, to vote.

It is not hard to find factors to explain more votes last cycle. Had 20 million votes actually been manufactured, there would be evidence, and someone would have talked by now. That is a large scale fraud operation.

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La la land

And this poster is smarter than trump by their own admission

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Porteroso said:

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Assassin said:

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Porteroso said:

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Repubs almost certainly have it.

And don't ascribe to intentional malice, what can be explained by ineptitude. You guys crow about Florida counting so fast, butthey had to be a national embarrassment before righting the ship.

I will say I don't understand this level of incompetence. But it does seem simple incompetence.

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I'm not sure I would agree with that. I think its the far left holding the counts until they figure out if they can affect the outcome. Republicans saw just how far the left would go to steal an election like they did in 2020. An unexplained 15-20 million extra Democrats voting in the hand held Covid era. And look at the damage Biden-Harris did in the past three and half years. This time, with watchdogs, the Dem numbers dropped back to similar to 2012 and 2016. Unexplainable

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How many of those additional votes were mail in ballots though? People staying home didn't prevent voting.

I think once you account for how terror stricken people were about covid, then remember how hated Trump was, along with his refusal to agree to the peaceful transfer of power, you can see why abnormal numbers of people voted. A once in a lifetime pandemic, along with 4 straight years of Trump's backwards rhetoric, is enough to get people who normally don't care about politics, to vote.

It is not hard to find factors to explain more votes last cycle. Had 20 million votes actually been manufactured, there would be evidence, and someone would have talked by now. That is a large scale fraud operation.

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This recent election poked all sorts of holes in that argument. If Trump were so "hated" as you say, then why didnt those extra 15-20 million Trump "haters" show up a few days ago? And the "transfer of power" had nothing to do with anything BEFORE and DURING the election. It happened after the Democrats fabricated the voting process. "4 straight years of backwards rhetoric" didnt actually happen unless you watch CNN or NBC or CBS. You have been brainwashed by the media.

Watch a better channel to get your news. Joy Reid and The View is not it. The whole world knows it and just proved it happened a few days ago.

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Dumb take bud. Just because you are glued to Tucker Carlson doesn't mean anyone not is glued to the View.

And nope, again, political memory is short. What was at the top of mind in 2020, maybe educate yourself and look back at what motivated voters, is starkly different from top of mind in 2024.

There was even a surge in Google this year for "Did Biden drop out?" After the election.... Do you think there were 3 voting age adults in all of America who didn't know the candidates in 2020? Of course i exaggerate, there are more than 3 hermits. Probably 10.

And right or wrong, at the time, Trump was being blamed for his response to covid. Millions died. Now, covid is not even a top 15 consideration.

If you want to dismiss my points, that is great with me, as long as you do it with facts, anecdotes, anything other than pure unabashed ignorance.

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Assassin said:

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Porteroso said:

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Assassin said:

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Porteroso said:

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Repubs almost certainly have it.

And don't ascribe to intentional malice, what can be explained by ineptitude. You guys crow about Florida counting so fast, butthey had to be a national embarrassment before righting the ship.

I will say I don't understand this level of incompetence. But it does seem simple incompetence.

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I'm not sure I would agree with that. I think its the far left holding the counts until they figure out if they can affect the outcome. Republicans saw just how far the left would go to steal an election like they did in 2020. An unexplained 15-20 million extra Democrats voting in the hand held Covid era. And look at the damage Biden-Harris did in the past three and half years. This time, with watchdogs, the Dem numbers dropped back to similar to 2012 and 2016. Unexplainable

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How many of those additional votes were mail in ballots though? People staying home didn't prevent voting.

I think once you account for how terror stricken people were about covid, then remember how hated Trump was, along with his refusal to agree to the peaceful transfer of power, you can see why abnormal numbers of people voted. A once in a lifetime pandemic, along with 4 straight years of Trump's backwards rhetoric, is enough to get people who normally don't care about politics, to vote.

It is not hard to find factors to explain more votes last cycle. Had 20 million votes actually been manufactured, there would be evidence, and someone would have talked by now. That is a large scale fraud operation.

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This recent election poked all sorts of holes in that argument. If Trump were so "hated" as you say, then why didnt those extra 15-20 million Trump "haters" show up a few days ago? And the "transfer of power" had nothing to do with anything BEFORE and DURING the election. It happened after the Democrats fabricated the voting process. "4 straight years of backwards rhetoric" didnt actually happen unless you watch CNN or NBC or CBS. You have been brainwashed by the media.

Watch a better channel to get your news. Joy Reid and The View is not it. The whole world knows it and just proved it happened a few days ago.

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Dumb take bud. Just because you are glued to Tucker Carlson doesn't mean anyone not is glued to the View.

And nope, again, political memory is short. What was at the top of mind in 2020, maybe educate yourself and look back at what motivated voters, is starkly different from top of mind in 2024.

There was even a surge in Google this year for "Did Biden drop out?" After the election.... Do you think there were 3 voting age adults in all of America who didn't know the candidates in 2020? Of course i exaggerate, there are more than 3 hermits. Probably 10.

And right or wrong, at the time, Trump was being blamed for his response to covid. Millions died. Now, covid is not even a top 15 consideration.

If you want to dismiss my points, that is great with me, as long as you do it with facts, anecdotes, anything other than pure unabashed ignorance.

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Not a very astute observation. Did you not just watch the election a few days ago? They spoke and told you that they knew Trump was screwed out of the election in 2020. They told you they didnt want anything to do with transgenders or allowing boys in girl's bathrooms or anything else. The left has fried your brain.

And I dont watch Tucker Carlson. Spent more time on CNN over the past few days than FOX. Amazing how little the left has learned from this red landslide.

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Porteroso said:

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Assassin said:

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Porteroso said:

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Repubs almost certainly have it.

And don't ascribe to intentional malice, what can be explained by ineptitude. You guys crow about Florida counting so fast, butthey had to be a national embarrassment before righting the ship.

I will say I don't understand this level of incompetence. But it does seem simple incompetence.

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I'm not sure I would agree with that. I think its the far left holding the counts until they figure out if they can affect the outcome. Republicans saw just how far the left would go to steal an election like they did in 2020. An unexplained 15-20 million extra Democrats voting in the hand held Covid era. And look at the damage Biden-Harris did in the past three and half years. This time, with watchdogs, the Dem numbers dropped back to similar to 2012 and 2016. Unexplainable

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How many of those additional votes were mail in ballots though? People staying home didn't prevent voting.

I think once you account for how terror stricken people were about covid, then remember how hated Trump was, along with his refusal to agree to the peaceful transfer of power, you can see why abnormal numbers of people voted. A once in a lifetime pandemic, along with 4 straight years of Trump's backwards rhetoric, is enough to get people who normally don't care about politics, to vote.

It is not hard to find factors to explain more votes last cycle. Had 20 million votes actually been manufactured, there would be evidence, and someone would have talked by now. That is a large scale fraud operation.

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This recent election poked all sorts of holes in that argument. If Trump were so "hated" as you say, then why didnt those extra 15-20 million Trump "haters" show up a few days ago? And the "transfer of power" had nothing to do with anything BEFORE and DURING the election. It happened after the Democrats fabricated the voting process. "4 straight years of backwards rhetoric" didnt actually happen unless you watch CNN or NBC or CBS. You have been brainwashed by the media.

Watch a better channel to get your news. Joy Reid and The View is not it. The whole world knows it and just proved it happened a few days ago.

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Dumb take bud. Just because you are glued to Tucker Carlson doesn't mean anyone not is glued to the View.

And nope, again, political memory is short. What was at the top of mind in 2020, maybe educate yourself and look back at what motivated voters, is starkly different from top of mind in 2024.

There was even a surge in Google this year for "Did Biden drop out?" After the election.... Do you think there were 3 voting age adults in all of America who didn't know the candidates in 2020? Of course i exaggerate, there are more than 3 hermits. Probably 10.

And right or wrong, at the time, Trump was being blamed for his response to covid. Millions died. Now, covid is not even a top 15 consideration.

If you want to dismiss my points, that is great with me, as long as you do it with facts, anecdotes, anything other than pure unabashed ignorance.

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Not a very astute observation. Did you not just watch the election a few days ago? They spoke and told you that they knew Trump was screwed out of the election in 2020. They told you they didnt want anything to do with transgenders or allowing boys in girl's bathrooms or anything else. The left has fried your brain.

And I dont watch Tucker Carlson. Spent more time on CNN over the past few days than FOX. Amazing how little the left has learned from this red landslide.

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You are majorly putting words in centrists mouths. You may think that centrists voted for Trump because of his election/democracy denial fake claims, which makes sense because you are an election denier. But all that anyone knows for sure, is centrists voted for Trump because they liked him better than Harris. And what was their #1 criteria? Economy. Not the 2020 election.

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Assassin said:

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Porteroso said:

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Repubs almost certainly have it.

And don't ascribe to intentional malice, what can be explained by ineptitude. You guys crow about Florida counting so fast, butthey had to be a national embarrassment before righting the ship.

I will say I don't understand this level of incompetence. But it does seem simple incompetence.

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I'm not sure I would agree with that. I think its the far left holding the counts until they figure out if they can affect the outcome. Republicans saw just how far the left would go to steal an election like they did in 2020. An unexplained 15-20 million extra Democrats voting in the hand held Covid era. And look at the damage Biden-Harris did in the past three and half years. This time, with watchdogs, the Dem numbers dropped back to similar to 2012 and 2016. Unexplainable

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How many of those additional votes were mail in ballots though? People staying home didn't prevent voting.

I think once you account for how terror stricken people were about covid, then remember how hated Trump was, along with his refusal to agree to the peaceful transfer of power, you can see why abnormal numbers of people voted. A once in a lifetime pandemic, along with 4 straight years of Trump's backwards rhetoric, is enough to get people who normally don't care about politics, to vote.

It is not hard to find factors to explain more votes last cycle. Had 20 million votes actually been manufactured, there would be evidence, and someone would have talked by now. That is a large scale fraud operation.

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If anything you are saying were correct... then there would be even MORE action from these voters.

"... then remember how hated Trump was, along with his refusal to agree to the peaceful transfer of power, you can see why abnormal numbers of people voted." - if this was truly their motivation, then Jan 6th and everything that has happened since then would mean they would come out even stronger. Instead, they just stayed home? Sure thing, Jan.

"... 4 straight years of Trump's backwards rhetoric, is enough to get people who normally don't care about politics, to vote." - yeah right. So because Trump calmed down his rhetoric this time around... oh wait.. he didn't! In fact, the dems have stated over and over that his rhetoric has gotten much worse. They have also ramped up the "threat to democracy" attacks... so that should have motivated this crowd to turn out even stronger.

So let's try again.... why did they stay home this time? You have given your lame excuses for why they appeared out of no where in 2020... but you have yet to explain why they all stayed away in 2024.

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Assassin said:

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Porteroso said:

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Assassin said:

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Porteroso said:

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Assassin said:

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Porteroso said:

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Repubs almost certainly have it.

And don't ascribe to intentional malice, what can be explained by ineptitude. You guys crow about Florida counting so fast, butthey had to be a national embarrassment before righting the ship.

I will say I don't understand this level of incompetence. But it does seem simple incompetence.

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I'm not sure I would agree with that. I think its the far left holding the counts until they figure out if they can affect the outcome. Republicans saw just how far the left would go to steal an election like they did in 2020. An unexplained 15-20 million extra Democrats voting in the hand held Covid era. And look at the damage Biden-Harris did in the past three and half years. This time, with watchdogs, the Dem numbers dropped back to similar to 2012 and 2016. Unexplainable

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How many of those additional votes were mail in ballots though? People staying home didn't prevent voting.

I think once you account for how terror stricken people were about covid, then remember how hated Trump was, along with his refusal to agree to the peaceful transfer of power, you can see why abnormal numbers of people voted. A once in a lifetime pandemic, along with 4 straight years of Trump's backwards rhetoric, is enough to get people who normally don't care about politics, to vote.

It is not hard to find factors to explain more votes last cycle. Had 20 million votes actually been manufactured, there would be evidence, and someone would have talked by now. That is a large scale fraud operation.

---

This recent election poked all sorts of holes in that argument. If Trump were so "hated" as you say, then why didnt those extra 15-20 million Trump "haters" show up a few days ago? And the "transfer of power" had nothing to do with anything BEFORE and DURING the election. It happened after the Democrats fabricated the voting process. "4 straight years of backwards rhetoric" didnt actually happen unless you watch CNN or NBC or CBS. You have been brainwashed by the media.

Watch a better channel to get your news. Joy Reid and The View is not it. The whole world knows it and just proved it happened a few days ago.

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Dumb take bud. Just because you are glued to Tucker Carlson doesn't mean anyone not is glued to the View.

And nope, again, political memory is short. What was at the top of mind in 2020, maybe educate yourself and look back at what motivated voters, is starkly different from top of mind in 2024.

There was even a surge in Google this year for "Did Biden drop out?" After the election.... Do you think there were 3 voting age adults in all of America who didn't know the candidates in 2020? Of course i exaggerate, there are more than 3 hermits. Probably 10.

And right or wrong, at the time, Trump was being blamed for his response to covid. Millions died. Now, covid is not even a top 15 consideration.

If you want to dismiss my points, that is great with me, as long as you do it with facts, anecdotes, anything other than pure unabashed ignorance.

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Not a very astute observation. Did you not just watch the election a few days ago? They spoke and told you that they knew Trump was screwed out of the election in 2020. They told you they didnt want anything to do with transgenders or allowing boys in girl's bathrooms or anything else. The left has fried your brain.

And I dont watch Tucker Carlson. Spent more time on CNN over the past few days than FOX. Amazing how little the left has learned from this red landslide.

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You are majorly putting words in centrists mouths. You may think that centrists voted for Trump because of his election/democracy denial fake claims, which makes sense because you are an election denier. But all that anyone knows for sure, is centrists voted for Trump because they liked him better than Harris. And what was their #1 criteria? Economy. Not the 2020 election.

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It was certainly part of the solution to this free fall of our once great country. Just a question. Are you transgender or have someone in your family that is? That's about the only way I could imagine anyone mad about this election result.

The races that havent been called yet according to NY Times. They currently have Reps with 212 and Dems with 200 and 23 not called. I havent seen the needle change on any of these races since we took over the Ciscomini one yesterday. It's looking more and more like we will add 10 or 11 to that 212.

Boy oh boy did the nation tell the left that they suck.

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Porteroso said:

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Assassin said:

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Porteroso said:

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Assassin said:

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Porteroso said:

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Repubs almost certainly have it.

And don't ascribe to intentional malice, what can be explained by ineptitude. You guys crow about Florida counting so fast, butthey had to be a national embarrassment before righting the ship.

I will say I don't understand this level of incompetence. But it does seem simple incompetence.

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I'm not sure I would agree with that. I think its the far left holding the counts until they figure out if they can affect the outcome. Republicans saw just how far the left would go to steal an election like they did in 2020. An unexplained 15-20 million extra Democrats voting in the hand held Covid era. And look at the damage Biden-Harris did in the past three and half years. This time, with watchdogs, the Dem numbers dropped back to similar to 2012 and 2016. Unexplainable

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How many of those additional votes were mail in ballots though? People staying home didn't prevent voting.

I think once you account for how terror stricken people were about covid, then remember how hated Trump was, along with his refusal to agree to the peaceful transfer of power, you can see why abnormal numbers of people voted. A once in a lifetime pandemic, along with 4 straight years of Trump's backwards rhetoric, is enough to get people who normally don't care about politics, to vote.

It is not hard to find factors to explain more votes last cycle. Had 20 million votes actually been manufactured, there would be evidence, and someone would have talked by now. That is a large scale fraud operation.

---

This recent election poked all sorts of holes in that argument. If Trump were so "hated" as you say, then why didnt those extra 15-20 million Trump "haters" show up a few days ago? And the "transfer of power" had nothing to do with anything BEFORE and DURING the election. It happened after the Democrats fabricated the voting process. "4 straight years of backwards rhetoric" didnt actually happen unless you watch CNN or NBC or CBS. You have been brainwashed by the media.

Watch a better channel to get your news. Joy Reid and The View is not it. The whole world knows it and just proved it happened a few days ago.

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Dumb take bud. Just because you are glued to Tucker Carlson doesn't mean anyone not is glued to the View.

And nope, again, political memory is short. What was at the top of mind in 2020, maybe educate yourself and look back at what motivated voters, is starkly different from top of mind in 2024.

There was even a surge in Google this year for "Did Biden drop out?" After the election.... Do you think there were 3 voting age adults in all of America who didn't know the candidates in 2020? Of course i exaggerate, there are more than 3 hermits. Probably 10.

And right or wrong, at the time, Trump was being blamed for his response to covid. Millions died. Now, covid is not even a top 15 consideration.

If you want to dismiss my points, that is great with me, as long as you do it with facts, anecdotes, anything other than pure unabashed ignorance.

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Not a very astute observation. Did you not just watch the election a few days ago? They spoke and told you that they knew Trump was screwed out of the election in 2020. They told you they didnt want anything to do with transgenders or allowing boys in girl's bathrooms or anything else. The left has fried your brain.

And I dont watch Tucker Carlson. Spent more time on CNN over the past few days than FOX. Amazing how little the left has learned from this red landslide.

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You are majorly putting words in centrists mouths. You may think that centrists voted for Trump because of his election/democracy denial fake claims, which makes sense because you are an election denier. But all that anyone knows for sure, is centrists voted for Trump because they liked him better than Harris. And what was their #1 criteria? Economy. Not the 2020 election.

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It was certainly part of the solution to this free fall of our once great country. Just a question. Are you transgender or have someone in your family that is? That's about the only way I could imagine anyone mad about this election result.

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Your reading comprehension needs work. I remember it starting in second grade, maybe try that first. See how it goes.

Lmao Porter doesn't deny election results so must be a tr4nny Welcome back to the forum zealot!

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Repubs almost certainly have it.

And don't ascribe to intentional malice, what can be explained by ineptitude. You guys crow about Florida counting so fast, butthey had to be a national embarrassment before righting the ship.

I will say I don't understand this level of incompetence. But it does seem simple incompetence.

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I'm not sure I would agree with that. I think its the far left holding the counts until they figure out if they can affect the outcome. Republicans saw just how far the left would go to steal an election like they did in 2020. An unexplained 15-20 million extra Democrats voting in the hand held Covid era. And look at the damage Biden-Harris did in the past three and half years. This time, with watchdogs, the Dem numbers dropped back to similar to 2012 and 2016. Unexplainable

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How many of those additional votes were mail in ballots though? People staying home didn't prevent voting.

I think once you account for how terror stricken people were about covid, then remember how hated Trump was, along with his refusal to agree to the peaceful transfer of power, you can see why abnormal numbers of people voted. A once in a lifetime pandemic, along with 4 straight years of Trump's backwards rhetoric, is enough to get people who normally don't care about politics, to vote.

It is not hard to find factors to explain more votes last cycle. Had 20 million votes actually been manufactured, there would be evidence, and someone would have talked by now. That is a large scale fraud operation.

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This recent election poked all sorts of holes in that argument. If Trump were so "hated" as you say, then why didnt those extra 15-20 million Trump "haters" show up a few days ago? And the "transfer of power" had nothing to do with anything BEFORE and DURING the election. It happened after the Democrats fabricated the voting process. "4 straight years of backwards rhetoric" didnt actually happen unless you watch CNN or NBC or CBS. You have been brainwashed by the media.

Watch a better channel to get your news. Joy Reid and The View is not it. The whole world knows it and just proved it happened a few days ago.

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Dumb take bud. Just because you are glued to Tucker Carlson doesn't mean anyone not is glued to the View.

And nope, again, political memory is short. What was at the top of mind in 2020, maybe educate yourself and look back at what motivated voters, is starkly different from top of mind in 2024.

There was even a surge in Google this year for "Did Biden drop out?" After the election.... Do you think there were 3 voting age adults in all of America who didn't know the candidates in 2020? Of course i exaggerate, there are more than 3 hermits. Probably 10.

And right or wrong, at the time, Trump was being blamed for his response to covid. Millions died. Now, covid is not even a top 15 consideration.

If you want to dismiss my points, that is great with me, as long as you do it with facts, anecdotes, anything other than pure unabashed ignorance.

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Not a very astute observation. Did you not just watch the election a few days ago? They spoke and told you that they knew Trump was screwed out of the election in 2020. They told you they didnt want anything to do with transgenders or allowing boys in girl's bathrooms or anything else. The left has fried your brain.

And I dont watch Tucker Carlson. Spent more time on CNN over the past few days than FOX. Amazing how little the left has learned from this red landslide.

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You are majorly putting words in centrists mouths. You may think that centrists voted for Trump because of his election/democracy denial fake claims, which makes sense because you are an election denier. But all that anyone knows for sure, is centrists voted for Trump because they liked him better than Harris. And what was their #1 criteria? Economy. Not the 2020 election.

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It was certainly part of the solution to this free fall of our once great country. Just a question. Are you transgender or have someone in your family that is? That's about the only way I could imagine anyone mad about this election result.

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Your reading comprehension needs work. I remember it starting in second grade, maybe try that first. See how it goes.

Lmao Porter doesn't deny election results so must be a tr4nny Welcome back to the forum zealot!

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Just verifying your reason for not absolutely loving the results of this election. The only folks that have to worry are the transgenders in mid-castration. They might have a he/she issue

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Repubs almost certainly have it.

And don't ascribe to intentional malice, what can be explained by ineptitude. You guys crow about Florida counting so fast, butthey had to be a national embarrassment before righting the ship.

I will say I don't understand this level of incompetence. But it does seem simple incompetence.

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I'm not sure I would agree with that. I think its the far left holding the counts until they figure out if they can affect the outcome. Republicans saw just how far the left would go to steal an election like they did in 2020. An unexplained 15-20 million extra Democrats voting in the hand held Covid era. And look at the damage Biden-Harris did in the past three and half years. This time, with watchdogs, the Dem numbers dropped back to similar to 2012 and 2016. Unexplainable

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How many of those additional votes were mail in ballots though? People staying home didn't prevent voting.

I think once you account for how terror stricken people were about covid, then remember how hated Trump was, along with his refusal to agree to the peaceful transfer of power, you can see why abnormal numbers of people voted. A once in a lifetime pandemic, along with 4 straight years of Trump's backwards rhetoric, is enough to get people who normally don't care about politics, to vote.

It is not hard to find factors to explain more votes last cycle. Had 20 million votes actually been manufactured, there would be evidence, and someone would have talked by now. That is a large scale fraud operation.

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If anything you are saying were correct... then there would be even MORE action from these voters.

"... then remember how hated Trump was, along with his refusal to agree to the peaceful transfer of power, you can see why abnormal numbers of people voted." - if this was truly their motivation, then Jan 6th and everything that has happened since then would mean they would come out even stronger. Instead, they just stayed home? Sure thing, Jan.

"... 4 straight years of Trump's backwards rhetoric, is enough to get people who normally don't care about politics, to vote." - yeah right. So because Trump calmed down his rhetoric this time around... oh wait.. he didn't! In fact, the dems have stated over and over that his rhetoric has gotten much worse. They have also ramped up the "threat to democracy" attacks... so that should have motivated this crowd to turn out even stronger.

So let's try again.... why did they stay home this time? You have given your lame excuses for why they appeared out of no where in 2020... but you have yet to explain why they all stayed away in 2024.

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Bad logic. Trying to do mental gymnastics. Whatever it takes to protect the democracy denial.

Jan 6 was 4 years ago. Had another election taken place Jan 7, 2021, sure these same 20 million would have voted IMO. Again, short memory. And people are tired of 4 years of crowing about Jan 6. It has lost its bite.

Trump's rhetoric was a relative unknown coming into 2016. Nobody knew how he'd act as President. Fewer people care today than in 2020, because while it is still backwards, people have gradually come to realize it is not as bad as legacy media makes it seem.

As I said, the election was a wholesale rejection of the Biden/Harris 4 years, but also a rejection of legacy media's narrative.

Many who believed the media's narrative about Trump in 2020 simply experienced the past 4 years, and are now a lot more willing to give Trump credit for his 4 year term.

The last big factor covid, which you didn't address.

Try again, logic this time.

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Repubs almost certainly have it.

And don't ascribe to intentional malice, what can be explained by ineptitude. You guys crow about Florida counting so fast, butthey had to be a national embarrassment before righting the ship.

I will say I don't understand this level of incompetence. But it does seem simple incompetence.

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I'm not sure I would agree with that. I think its the far left holding the counts until they figure out if they can affect the outcome. Republicans saw just how far the left would go to steal an election like they did in 2020. An unexplained 15-20 million extra Democrats voting in the hand held Covid era. And look at the damage Biden-Harris did in the past three and half years. This time, with watchdogs, the Dem numbers dropped back to similar to 2012 and 2016. Unexplainable

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How many of those additional votes were mail in ballots though? People staying home didn't prevent voting.

I think once you account for how terror stricken people were about covid, then remember how hated Trump was, along with his refusal to agree to the peaceful transfer of power, you can see why abnormal numbers of people voted. A once in a lifetime pandemic, along with 4 straight years of Trump's backwards rhetoric, is enough to get people who normally don't care about politics, to vote.

It is not hard to find factors to explain more votes last cycle. Had 20 million votes actually been manufactured, there would be evidence, and someone would have talked by now. That is a large scale fraud operation.

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If anything you are saying were correct... then there would be even MORE action from these voters.

"... then remember how hated Trump was, along with his refusal to agree to the peaceful transfer of power, you can see why abnormal numbers of people voted." - if this was truly their motivation, then Jan 6th and everything that has happened since then would mean they would come out even stronger. Instead, they just stayed home? Sure thing, Jan.

"... 4 straight years of Trump's backwards rhetoric, is enough to get people who normally don't care about politics, to vote." - yeah right. So because Trump calmed down his rhetoric this time around... oh wait.. he didn't! In fact, the dems have stated over and over that his rhetoric has gotten much worse. They have also ramped up the "threat to democracy" attacks... so that should have motivated this crowd to turn out even stronger.

So let's try again.... why did they stay home this time? You have given your lame excuses for why they appeared out of no where in 2020... but you have yet to explain why they all stayed away in 2024.

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Bad logic. Trying to do mental gymnastics. Whatever it takes to protect the democracy denial.

Jan 6 was 4 years ago. Had another election taken place Jan 7, 2021, sure these same 20 million would have voted IMO. Again, short memory. And people are tired of 4 years of crowing about Jan 6. It has lost its bite.

Trump's rhetoric was a relative unknown coming into 2016. Nobody knew how he'd act as President. Fewer people care today than in 2020, because while it is still backwards, people have gradually come to realize it is not as bad as legacy media makes it seem.

As I said, the election was a wholesale rejection of the Biden/Harris 4 years, but also a rejection of legacy media's narrative.

Many who believed the media's narrative about Trump in 2020 simply experienced the past 4 years, and are now a lot more willing to give Trump credit for his 4 year term.

The last big factor covid, which you didn't address.

Try again, logic this time.

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Can you provide the person that "created" all those extra voters? We could use them in some of our close races. If you don't mind. That's a ton of magical voters...

This one is really close. Updated numbers a few mins ago.

BTW - in that Maine race, the leftie often votes to the right. He reps nearly all of Maine except for the lower part near Portland

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Porteroso said:

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ShooterTX said:

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Porteroso said:

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Assassin said:

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Porteroso said:

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Repubs almost certainly have it.

And don't ascribe to intentional malice, what can be explained by ineptitude. You guys crow about Florida counting so fast, butthey had to be a national embarrassment before righting the ship.

I will say I don't understand this level of incompetence. But it does seem simple incompetence.

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I'm not sure I would agree with that. I think its the far left holding the counts until they figure out if they can affect the outcome. Republicans saw just how far the left would go to steal an election like they did in 2020. An unexplained 15-20 million extra Democrats voting in the hand held Covid era. And look at the damage Biden-Harris did in the past three and half years. This time, with watchdogs, the Dem numbers dropped back to similar to 2012 and 2016. Unexplainable

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How many of those additional votes were mail in ballots though? People staying home didn't prevent voting.

I think once you account for how terror stricken people were about covid, then remember how hated Trump was, along with his refusal to agree to the peaceful transfer of power, you can see why abnormal numbers of people voted. A once in a lifetime pandemic, along with 4 straight years of Trump's backwards rhetoric, is enough to get people who normally don't care about politics, to vote.

It is not hard to find factors to explain more votes last cycle. Had 20 million votes actually been manufactured, there would be evidence, and someone would have talked by now. That is a large scale fraud operation.

---

If anything you are saying were correct... then there would be even MORE action from these voters.

"... then remember how hated Trump was, along with his refusal to agree to the peaceful transfer of power, you can see why abnormal numbers of people voted." - if this was truly their motivation, then Jan 6th and everything that has happened since then would mean they would come out even stronger. Instead, they just stayed home? Sure thing, Jan.

"... 4 straight years of Trump's backwards rhetoric, is enough to get people who normally don't care about politics, to vote." - yeah right. So because Trump calmed down his rhetoric this time around... oh wait.. he didn't! In fact, the dems have stated over and over that his rhetoric has gotten much worse. They have also ramped up the "threat to democracy" attacks... so that should have motivated this crowd to turn out even stronger.

So let's try again.... why did they stay home this time? You have given your lame excuses for why they appeared out of no where in 2020... but you have yet to explain why they all stayed away in 2024.

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Bad logic. Trying to do mental gymnastics. Whatever it takes to protect the democracy denial.

Jan 6 was 4 years ago. Had another election taken place Jan 7, 2021, sure these same 20 million would have voted IMO. Again, short memory. And people are tired of 4 years of crowing about Jan 6. It has lost its bite.

Trump's rhetoric was a relative unknown coming into 2016. Nobody knew how he'd act as President. Fewer people care today than in 2020, because while it is still backwards, people have gradually come to realize it is not as bad as legacy media makes it seem.

As I said, the election was a wholesale rejection of the Biden/Harris 4 years, but also a rejection of legacy media's narrative.

Many who believed the media's narrative about Trump in 2020 simply experienced the past 4 years, and are now a lot more willing to give Trump credit for his 4 year term.

The last big factor covid, which you didn't address.

Try again, logic this time.

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Can you provide the person that "created" all those extra voters? We could use them in some of our close races. If you don't mind. That's a ton of magical voters...

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Can you provide them? The Dems certainly could have used them this week.

Sam Lowry said:

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Assassin said:

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Porteroso said:

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ShooterTX said:

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Porteroso said:

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Assassin said:

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Porteroso said:

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Repubs almost certainly have it.

And don't ascribe to intentional malice, what can be explained by ineptitude. You guys crow about Florida counting so fast, butthey had to be a national embarrassment before righting the ship.

I will say I don't understand this level of incompetence. But it does seem simple incompetence.

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I'm not sure I would agree with that. I think its the far left holding the counts until they figure out if they can affect the outcome. Republicans saw just how far the left would go to steal an election like they did in 2020. An unexplained 15-20 million extra Democrats voting in the hand held Covid era. And look at the damage Biden-Harris did in the past three and half years. This time, with watchdogs, the Dem numbers dropped back to similar to 2012 and 2016. Unexplainable

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How many of those additional votes were mail in ballots though? People staying home didn't prevent voting.

I think once you account for how terror stricken people were about covid, then remember how hated Trump was, along with his refusal to agree to the peaceful transfer of power, you can see why abnormal numbers of people voted. A once in a lifetime pandemic, along with 4 straight years of Trump's backwards rhetoric, is enough to get people who normally don't care about politics, to vote.

It is not hard to find factors to explain more votes last cycle. Had 20 million votes actually been manufactured, there would be evidence, and someone would have talked by now. That is a large scale fraud operation.

---

If anything you are saying were correct... then there would be even MORE action from these voters.

"... then remember how hated Trump was, along with his refusal to agree to the peaceful transfer of power, you can see why abnormal numbers of people voted." - if this was truly their motivation, then Jan 6th and everything that has happened since then would mean they would come out even stronger. Instead, they just stayed home? Sure thing, Jan.

"... 4 straight years of Trump's backwards rhetoric, is enough to get people who normally don't care about politics, to vote." - yeah right. So because Trump calmed down his rhetoric this time around... oh wait.. he didn't! In fact, the dems have stated over and over that his rhetoric has gotten much worse. They have also ramped up the "threat to democracy" attacks... so that should have motivated this crowd to turn out even stronger.

So let's try again.... why did they stay home this time? You have given your lame excuses for why they appeared out of no where in 2020... but you have yet to explain why they all stayed away in 2024.

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Bad logic. Trying to do mental gymnastics. Whatever it takes to protect the democracy denial.

Jan 6 was 4 years ago. Had another election taken place Jan 7, 2021, sure these same 20 million would have voted IMO. Again, short memory. And people are tired of 4 years of crowing about Jan 6. It has lost its bite.

Trump's rhetoric was a relative unknown coming into 2016. Nobody knew how he'd act as President. Fewer people care today than in 2020, because while it is still backwards, people have gradually come to realize it is not as bad as legacy media makes it seem.

As I said, the election was a wholesale rejection of the Biden/Harris 4 years, but also a rejection of legacy media's narrative.

Many who believed the media's narrative about Trump in 2020 simply experienced the past 4 years, and are now a lot more willing to give Trump credit for his 4 year term.

The last big factor covid, which you didn't address.

Try again, logic this time.

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Can you provide the person that "created" all those extra voters? We could use them in some of our close races. If you don't mind. That's a ton of magical voters...

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Can you provide them? The Dems certainly could have used them this week.

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I can't. You were the guys with the magical wizard that pulled in the magical, fantastical, mystical, paranormal, otherworldly, spectral, uncanny 15 million voters. Not sure why you didnt use the same Gandolf as 2020. Maybe you stiffed him on the amount of sheep your promised him and kept them for yourselves. You're pretty good keeping sheep...

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Sam Lowry said:

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Assassin said:

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Porteroso said:

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ShooterTX said:

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Porteroso said:

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Assassin said:

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Porteroso said:

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Repubs almost certainly have it.

And don't ascribe to intentional malice, what can be explained by ineptitude. You guys crow about Florida counting so fast, butthey had to be a national embarrassment before righting the ship.

I will say I don't understand this level of incompetence. But it does seem simple incompetence.

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I'm not sure I would agree with that. I think its the far left holding the counts until they figure out if they can affect the outcome. Republicans saw just how far the left would go to steal an election like they did in 2020. An unexplained 15-20 million extra Democrats voting in the hand held Covid era. And look at the damage Biden-Harris did in the past three and half years. This time, with watchdogs, the Dem numbers dropped back to similar to 2012 and 2016. Unexplainable

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How many of those additional votes were mail in ballots though? People staying home didn't prevent voting.

I think once you account for how terror stricken people were about covid, then remember how hated Trump was, along with his refusal to agree to the peaceful transfer of power, you can see why abnormal numbers of people voted. A once in a lifetime pandemic, along with 4 straight years of Trump's backwards rhetoric, is enough to get people who normally don't care about politics, to vote.

It is not hard to find factors to explain more votes last cycle. Had 20 million votes actually been manufactured, there would be evidence, and someone would have talked by now. That is a large scale fraud operation.

---

If anything you are saying were correct... then there would be even MORE action from these voters.

"... then remember how hated Trump was, along with his refusal to agree to the peaceful transfer of power, you can see why abnormal numbers of people voted." - if this was truly their motivation, then Jan 6th and everything that has happened since then would mean they would come out even stronger. Instead, they just stayed home? Sure thing, Jan.

"... 4 straight years of Trump's backwards rhetoric, is enough to get people who normally don't care about politics, to vote." - yeah right. So because Trump calmed down his rhetoric this time around... oh wait.. he didn't! In fact, the dems have stated over and over that his rhetoric has gotten much worse. They have also ramped up the "threat to democracy" attacks... so that should have motivated this crowd to turn out even stronger.

So let's try again.... why did they stay home this time? You have given your lame excuses for why they appeared out of no where in 2020... but you have yet to explain why they all stayed away in 2024.

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Bad logic. Trying to do mental gymnastics. Whatever it takes to protect the democracy denial.

Jan 6 was 4 years ago. Had another election taken place Jan 7, 2021, sure these same 20 million would have voted IMO. Again, short memory. And people are tired of 4 years of crowing about Jan 6. It has lost its bite.

Trump's rhetoric was a relative unknown coming into 2016. Nobody knew how he'd act as President. Fewer people care today than in 2020, because while it is still backwards, people have gradually come to realize it is not as bad as legacy media makes it seem.

As I said, the election was a wholesale rejection of the Biden/Harris 4 years, but also a rejection of legacy media's narrative.

Many who believed the media's narrative about Trump in 2020 simply experienced the past 4 years, and are now a lot more willing to give Trump credit for his 4 year term.

The last big factor covid, which you didn't address.

Try again, logic this time.

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Can you provide the person that "created" all those extra voters? We could use them in some of our close races. If you don't mind. That's a ton of magical voters...

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Can you provide them? The Dems certainly could have used them this week.

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I can't. You were the guys with the magical wizard that pulled in the magical, fantastical, mystical, paranormal, otherworldly, spectral, uncanny 15 million voters. Not sure why you didnt use the same Gandolf as 2020. Maybe you stiffed him on the amount of sheep your promised him and kept them for yourselves. You're pretty good keeping sheep...

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You're misplacing the burden of proof. You're the one positing this "fantastical, mystical, paranormal, otherworldly, spectral, uncanny 15 million voters."

The 2020 votes happened one way or another. If they were so easy to fake, why not do it again?

Assassin said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Assassin said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Assassin said:

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Porteroso said:

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ShooterTX said:

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Porteroso said:

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Assassin said:

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Porteroso said:

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Repubs almost certainly have it.

And don't ascribe to intentional malice, what can be explained by ineptitude. You guys crow about Florida counting so fast, butthey had to be a national embarrassment before righting the ship.

I will say I don't understand this level of incompetence. But it does seem simple incompetence.

---

I'm not sure I would agree with that. I think its the far left holding the counts until they figure out if they can affect the outcome. Republicans saw just how far the left would go to steal an election like they did in 2020. An unexplained 15-20 million extra Democrats voting in the hand held Covid era. And look at the damage Biden-Harris did in the past three and half years. This time, with watchdogs, the Dem numbers dropped back to similar to 2012 and 2016. Unexplainable

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How many of those additional votes were mail in ballots though? People staying home didn't prevent voting.

I think once you account for how terror stricken people were about covid, then remember how hated Trump was, along with his refusal to agree to the peaceful transfer of power, you can see why abnormal numbers of people voted. A once in a lifetime pandemic, along with 4 straight years of Trump's backwards rhetoric, is enough to get people who normally don't care about politics, to vote.

It is not hard to find factors to explain more votes last cycle. Had 20 million votes actually been manufactured, there would be evidence, and someone would have talked by now. That is a large scale fraud operation.

---

If anything you are saying were correct... then there would be even MORE action from these voters.

"... then remember how hated Trump was, along with his refusal to agree to the peaceful transfer of power, you can see why abnormal numbers of people voted." - if this was truly their motivation, then Jan 6th and everything that has happened since then would mean they would come out even stronger. Instead, they just stayed home? Sure thing, Jan.

"... 4 straight years of Trump's backwards rhetoric, is enough to get people who normally don't care about politics, to vote." - yeah right. So because Trump calmed down his rhetoric this time around... oh wait.. he didn't! In fact, the dems have stated over and over that his rhetoric has gotten much worse. They have also ramped up the "threat to democracy" attacks... so that should have motivated this crowd to turn out even stronger.

So let's try again.... why did they stay home this time? You have given your lame excuses for why they appeared out of no where in 2020... but you have yet to explain why they all stayed away in 2024.

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Bad logic. Trying to do mental gymnastics. Whatever it takes to protect the democracy denial.

Jan 6 was 4 years ago. Had another election taken place Jan 7, 2021, sure these same 20 million would have voted IMO. Again, short memory. And people are tired of 4 years of crowing about Jan 6. It has lost its bite.

Trump's rhetoric was a relative unknown coming into 2016. Nobody knew how he'd act as President. Fewer people care today than in 2020, because while it is still backwards, people have gradually come to realize it is not as bad as legacy media makes it seem.

As I said, the election was a wholesale rejection of the Biden/Harris 4 years, but also a rejection of legacy media's narrative.

Many who believed the media's narrative about Trump in 2020 simply experienced the past 4 years, and are now a lot more willing to give Trump credit for his 4 year term.

The last big factor covid, which you didn't address.

Try again, logic this time.

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Can you provide the person that "created" all those extra voters? We could use them in some of our close races. If you don't mind. That's a ton of magical voters...

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Can you provide them? The Dems certainly could have used them this week.

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I can't. You were the guys with the magical wizard that pulled in the magical, fantastical, mystical, paranormal, otherworldly, spectral, uncanny 15 million voters. Not sure why you didnt use the same Gandolf as 2020. Maybe you stiffed him on the amount of sheep your promised him and kept them for yourselves. You're pretty good keeping sheep...

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You're misplacing the burden of proof. You're the one positing this "fantastical, mystical, paranormal, otherworldly, spectral, uncanny 15 million voters."

The 2020 votes happened one way or another. If they were so easy to fake, why not do it again?

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That's a question for the left. The right has no idea how they never existed for years, magically appeared, then disappeared. Everyone wants to know.

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It's a question for you. The left explains it in terms of fluctuating voter turnout and undervoting. You have a different theory, but your theory didn't hold true in this case. Why not?

Sam Lowry said:

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Assassin said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Assassin said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Assassin said:

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Porteroso said:

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ShooterTX said:

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Porteroso said:

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Assassin said:

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Porteroso said:

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Repubs almost certainly have it.

And don't ascribe to intentional malice, what can be explained by ineptitude. You guys crow about Florida counting so fast, butthey had to be a national embarrassment before righting the ship.

I will say I don't understand this level of incompetence. But it does seem simple incompetence.

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I'm not sure I would agree with that. I think its the far left holding the counts until they figure out if they can affect the outcome. Republicans saw just how far the left would go to steal an election like they did in 2020. An unexplained 15-20 million extra Democrats voting in the hand held Covid era. And look at the damage Biden-Harris did in the past three and half years. This time, with watchdogs, the Dem numbers dropped back to similar to 2012 and 2016. Unexplainable

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How many of those additional votes were mail in ballots though? People staying home didn't prevent voting.

I think once you account for how terror stricken people were about covid, then remember how hated Trump was, along with his refusal to agree to the peaceful transfer of power, you can see why abnormal numbers of people voted. A once in a lifetime pandemic, along with 4 straight years of Trump's backwards rhetoric, is enough to get people who normally don't care about politics, to vote.

It is not hard to find factors to explain more votes last cycle. Had 20 million votes actually been manufactured, there would be evidence, and someone would have talked by now. That is a large scale fraud operation.

---

If anything you are saying were correct... then there would be even MORE action from these voters.

"... then remember how hated Trump was, along with his refusal to agree to the peaceful transfer of power, you can see why abnormal numbers of people voted." - if this was truly their motivation, then Jan 6th and everything that has happened since then would mean they would come out even stronger. Instead, they just stayed home? Sure thing, Jan.

"... 4 straight years of Trump's backwards rhetoric, is enough to get people who normally don't care about politics, to vote." - yeah right. So because Trump calmed down his rhetoric this time around... oh wait.. he didn't! In fact, the dems have stated over and over that his rhetoric has gotten much worse. They have also ramped up the "threat to democracy" attacks... so that should have motivated this crowd to turn out even stronger.

So let's try again.... why did they stay home this time? You have given your lame excuses for why they appeared out of no where in 2020... but you have yet to explain why they all stayed away in 2024.

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Bad logic. Trying to do mental gymnastics. Whatever it takes to protect the democracy denial.

Jan 6 was 4 years ago. Had another election taken place Jan 7, 2021, sure these same 20 million would have voted IMO. Again, short memory. And people are tired of 4 years of crowing about Jan 6. It has lost its bite.

Trump's rhetoric was a relative unknown coming into 2016. Nobody knew how he'd act as President. Fewer people care today than in 2020, because while it is still backwards, people have gradually come to realize it is not as bad as legacy media makes it seem.

As I said, the election was a wholesale rejection of the Biden/Harris 4 years, but also a rejection of legacy media's narrative.

Many who believed the media's narrative about Trump in 2020 simply experienced the past 4 years, and are now a lot more willing to give Trump credit for his 4 year term.

The last big factor covid, which you didn't address.

Try again, logic this time.

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Can you provide the person that "created" all those extra voters? We could use them in some of our close races. If you don't mind. That's a ton of magical voters...

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Can you provide them? The Dems certainly could have used them this week.

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I can't. You were the guys with the magical wizard that pulled in the magical, fantastical, mystical, paranormal, otherworldly, spectral, uncanny 15 million voters. Not sure why you didnt use the same Gandolf as 2020. Maybe you stiffed him on the amount of sheep your promised him and kept them for yourselves. You're pretty good keeping sheep...

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You're misplacing the burden of proof. You're the one positing this "fantastical, mystical, paranormal, otherworldly, spectral, uncanny 15 million voters."

The 2020 votes happened one way or another. If they were so easy to fake, why not do it again?

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That's a question for the left. The right has no idea how they never existed for years, magically appeared, then disappeared. Everyone wants to know.

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It's a question for you. The left explains it in terms of fluctuating voter turnout and undervoting. You have a different theory, but your theory didn't hold true in this case. Why not?

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Nobody cares about the left's flatulation. That simply stinks!

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This one is really close. Updated numbers a few mins ago.

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Maine 2 has closed to about 700 down right now, but not many votes left

I'm always going to be uneasy when the same party controls both houses and the presidency. Slightly less so if it's the Republicans, but still.

This is a strange one. All the other races in the state of Colorado, the state West of Colorado and the state West of the state West of the state West of Colorado are done. Just this one little race that hasnt really moved.

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This is a strange one. All the other races in the state of Colorado, the state West of Colorado and the state West of the state West of the state West of Colorado are done. Just this one little race that hasnt really moved.

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Clear proof that the conspiracy is coming from the WEST.

Gavin Newsom should be tried for treason!

218 soon?

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Porteroso said:

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ShooterTX said:

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Porteroso said:

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Assassin said:

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Porteroso said:

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Repubs almost certainly have it.

And don't ascribe to intentional malice, what can be explained by ineptitude. You guys crow about Florida counting so fast, butthey had to be a national embarrassment before righting the ship.

I will say I don't understand this level of incompetence. But it does seem simple incompetence.

---

I'm not sure I would agree with that. I think its the far left holding the counts until they figure out if they can affect the outcome. Republicans saw just how far the left would go to steal an election like they did in 2020. An unexplained 15-20 million extra Democrats voting in the hand held Covid era. And look at the damage Biden-Harris did in the past three and half years. This time, with watchdogs, the Dem numbers dropped back to similar to 2012 and 2016. Unexplainable

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How many of those additional votes were mail in ballots though? People staying home didn't prevent voting.

I think once you account for how terror stricken people were about covid, then remember how hated Trump was, along with his refusal to agree to the peaceful transfer of power, you can see why abnormal numbers of people voted. A once in a lifetime pandemic, along with 4 straight years of Trump's backwards rhetoric, is enough to get people who normally don't care about politics, to vote.

It is not hard to find factors to explain more votes last cycle. Had 20 million votes actually been manufactured, there would be evidence, and someone would have talked by now. That is a large scale fraud operation.

---

If anything you are saying were correct... then there would be even MORE action from these voters.

"... then remember how hated Trump was, along with his refusal to agree to the peaceful transfer of power, you can see why abnormal numbers of people voted." - if this was truly their motivation, then Jan 6th and everything that has happened since then would mean they would come out even stronger. Instead, they just stayed home? Sure thing, Jan.

"... 4 straight years of Trump's backwards rhetoric, is enough to get people who normally don't care about politics, to vote." - yeah right. So because Trump calmed down his rhetoric this time around... oh wait.. he didn't! In fact, the dems have stated over and over that his rhetoric has gotten much worse. They have also ramped up the "threat to democracy" attacks... so that should have motivated this crowd to turn out even stronger.

So let's try again.... why did they stay home this time? You have given your lame excuses for why they appeared out of no where in 2020... but you have yet to explain why they all stayed away in 2024.

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Bad logic. Trying to do mental gymnastics. Whatever it takes to protect the democracy denial.

Jan 6 was 4 years ago. Had another election taken place Jan 7, 2021, sure these same 20 million would have voted IMO. Again, short memory. And people are tired of 4 years of crowing about Jan 6. It has lost its bite.

Trump's rhetoric was a relative unknown coming into 2016. Nobody knew how he'd act as President. Fewer people care today than in 2020, because while it is still backwards, people have gradually come to realize it is not as bad as legacy media makes it seem.

As I said, the election was a wholesale rejection of the Biden/Harris 4 years, but also a rejection of legacy media's narrative.

Many who believed the media's narrative about Trump in 2020 simply experienced the past 4 years, and are now a lot more willing to give Trump credit for his 4 year term.

The last big factor covid, which you didn't address.

Try again, logic this time.

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Once again, you fail to answer the simple question:

Why did they decide to stay home and not vote in 2024. None of what you said actually makes sense.

You comment about COVID is totally illogical. People were very afraid in 2020. There was a ton of mail-in ballots because of COVID. 4 years later, when no one is scared to go out in public... 15+ million voters suddenly decided that voting isn't a big deal? It is FAR easier to vote in 2024, but they just decided not to vote... and you have no logical answer as to why? How is it possible for someone who has never voted before, to register and then vote in 2020... and then do nothing in 2024?

Your attempts to explain the missing voters, are just pathetic.

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They did not vote as much in 2024 for the same reason they did not vote in 2016, 2012, 2008, etc.

These are people who normally do not vote. You zealots were never bothered by Trump's backwards rhetoric, so you have no idea how much it was thrust to the fore in social circles that don't normally care so much what politicians say.

One last thing, then I'm done educating you for today. I don't need to defend democracy. It worked great. It doesn't need me or you to believe in it to work. Every 2 years there is a massive effort by tens of thousands of Americans to give us a secure and fair election. Virtually all of them said the election was secure and fair. Guess who the only people with an issue were? The guy who lost and a ton of lawyers who made money off the lawsuits.

Honestly it is straight up disgusting to me, how concerted the effort is to undermine democracy. You have every single case shut down, no real evidence after 4 years, lawyers who were working for Trump saying "don't sue us, we were joking," lawyers in the courtroom admitting they brought cases without any evidence, not a single person in the supposed 20 million ballot manufacturing plant peeping 1 peep.... All facts are against you, and this election your same guy wins handily... Did they forget to staff the ballot manufacturing plant? Union put a hiring freeze on?

At some point it is abundantly clear that no fact, reasoned, or logical argument will get through, for one reason. You like dear leader care more about winning than America. You are actually an enemy of democracy. And I sincerely say that to you, zealot Shooter. The founding fathers would be ashamed.

There really is no excuse for it to take this long to count all the votes.

When I was first voting in the early 90s, we would use paper ballots and absentee ballots. Every election night, the vast majority of races would be called. Occasionally, the count was extremely close and would trigger an automatic re-count before determining the winner. I don't remember anything taking over a week to decide, until 2000. And just as a reminder, the recounts were done very quickly in 2000. It took over a month because of all the lawsuits.

It makes no sense at all to have all these mail-in ballots, which have always been known to be the most susceptible to fraud. We should go back to in-person or absentee only. It should be illegal to accept ANY ballots after the polls close in a state or precinct.

Entire nations have hand counted their millions of paper ballots in less time than it is taking for some rando precinct to count a couple hundred thousand votes. That is pathetic. Third world nations are doing a better job than a lot of these blue states. Embarrassing to say the least.

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Repubs almost certainly have it.

And don't ascribe to intentional malice, what can be explained by ineptitude. You guys crow about Florida counting so fast, butthey had to be a national embarrassment before righting the ship.

I will say I don't understand this level of incompetence. But it does seem simple incompetence.

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I'm not sure I would agree with that. I think its the far left holding the counts until they figure out if they can affect the outcome. Republicans saw just how far the left would go to steal an election like they did in 2020. An unexplained 15-20 million extra Democrats voting in the hand held Covid era. And look at the damage Biden-Harris did in the past three and half years. This time, with watchdogs, the Dem numbers dropped back to similar to 2012 and 2016. Unexplainable

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How many of those additional votes were mail in ballots though? People staying home didn't prevent voting.

I think once you account for how terror stricken people were about covid, then remember how hated Trump was, along with his refusal to agree to the peaceful transfer of power, you can see why abnormal numbers of people voted. A once in a lifetime pandemic, along with 4 straight years of Trump's backwards rhetoric, is enough to get people who normally don't care about politics, to vote.

It is not hard to find factors to explain more votes last cycle. Had 20 million votes actually been manufactured, there would be evidence, and someone would have talked by now. That is a large scale fraud operation.

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If anything you are saying were correct... then there would be even MORE action from these voters.

"... then remember how hated Trump was, along with his refusal to agree to the peaceful transfer of power, you can see why abnormal numbers of people voted." - if this was truly their motivation, then Jan 6th and everything that has happened since then would mean they would come out even stronger. Instead, they just stayed home? Sure thing, Jan.

"... 4 straight years of Trump's backwards rhetoric, is enough to get people who normally don't care about politics, to vote." - yeah right. So because Trump calmed down his rhetoric this time around... oh wait.. he didn't! In fact, the dems have stated over and over that his rhetoric has gotten much worse. They have also ramped up the "threat to democracy" attacks... so that should have motivated this crowd to turn out even stronger.

So let's try again.... why did they stay home this time? You have given your lame excuses for why they appeared out of no where in 2020... but you have yet to explain why they all stayed away in 2024.

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Bad logic. Trying to do mental gymnastics. Whatever it takes to protect the democracy denial.

Jan 6 was 4 years ago. Had another election taken place Jan 7, 2021, sure these same 20 million would have voted IMO. Again, short memory. And people are tired of 4 years of crowing about Jan 6. It has lost its bite.

Trump's rhetoric was a relative unknown coming into 2016. Nobody knew how he'd act as President. Fewer people care today than in 2020, because while it is still backwards, people have gradually come to realize it is not as bad as legacy media makes it seem.

As I said, the election was a wholesale rejection of the Biden/Harris 4 years, but also a rejection of legacy media's narrative.

Many who believed the media's narrative about Trump in 2020 simply experienced the past 4 years, and are now a lot more willing to give Trump credit for his 4 year term.

The last big factor covid, which you didn't address.

Try again, logic this time.

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Once again, you fail to answer the simple question:

Why did they decide to stay home and not vote in 2024. None of what you said actually makes sense.

You comment about COVID is totally illogical. People were very afraid in 2020. There was a ton of mail-in ballots because of COVID. 4 years later, when no one is scared to go out in public... 15+ million voters suddenly decided that voting isn't a big deal? It is FAR easier to vote in 2024, but they just decided not to vote... and you have no logical answer as to why? How is it possible for someone who has never voted before, to register and then vote in 2020... and then do nothing in 2024?

Your attempts to explain the missing voters, are just pathetic.

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They did not vote as much in 2024 for the same reason they did not vote in 2016, 2012, 2008, etc.

These are people who normally do not vote. You zealots were never bothered by Trump's backwards rhetoric, so you have no idea how much it was thrust to the fore in social circles that don't normally care so much what politicians say.

One last thing, then I'm done educating you for today. I don't need to defend democracy. It worked great. It doesn't need me or you to believe in it to work. Every 2 years there is a massive effort by tens of thousands of Americans to give us a secure and fair election. Virtually all of them said the election was secure and fair. Guess who the only people with an issue were? The guy who lost and a ton of lawyers who made money off the lawsuits.

Honestly it is straight up disgusting to me, how concerted the effort is to undermine democracy. You have every single case shut down, no real evidence after 4 years, lawyers who were working for Trump saying "don't sue us, we were joking," lawyers in the courtroom admitting they brought cases without any evidence, not a single person in the supposed 20 million ballot manufacturing plant peeping 1 peep.... All facts are against you, and this election your same guy wins handily... Did they forget to staff the ballot manufacturing plant? Union put a hiring freeze on?

At some point it is abundantly clear that no fact, reasoned, or logical argument will get through, for one reason. You like dear leader care more about winning than America. You are actually an enemy of democracy. And I sincerely say that to you, zealot Shooter. The founding fathers would be ashamed.

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LOL

You are consistently the most amusing 15 year old on this board.

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Arizona R now up 2400.

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I was watching that. Wasnt it blue yesterday morning? Nice grab away from the bullies

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This is a strange one. All the other races in the state of Colorado, the state West of Colorado and the state West of the state West of the state West of Colorado are done. Just this one little race that hasnt really moved.

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Clear proof that the conspiracy is coming from the WEST.

Gavin Newsom should be tried for treason!

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Or garner an Academy Award for Best Actor .

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Repubs almost certainly have it.

And don't ascribe to intentional malice, what can be explained by ineptitude. You guys crow about Florida counting so fast, butthey had to be a national embarrassment before righting the ship.

I will say I don't understand this level of incompetence. But it does seem simple incompetence.

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I'm not sure I would agree with that. I think its the far left holding the counts until they figure out if they can affect the outcome. Republicans saw just how far the left would go to steal an election like they did in 2020. An unexplained 15-20 million extra Democrats voting in the hand held Covid era. And look at the damage Biden-Harris did in the past three and half years. This time, with watchdogs, the Dem numbers dropped back to similar to 2012 and 2016. Unexplainable

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How many of those additional votes were mail in ballots though? People staying home didn't prevent voting.

I think once you account for how terror stricken people were about covid, then remember how hated Trump was, along with his refusal to agree to the peaceful transfer of power, you can see why abnormal numbers of people voted. A once in a lifetime pandemic, along with 4 straight years of Trump's backwards rhetoric, is enough to get people who normally don't care about politics, to vote.

It is not hard to find factors to explain more votes last cycle. Had 20 million votes actually been manufactured, there would be evidence, and someone would have talked by now. That is a large scale fraud operation.

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If anything you are saying were correct... then there would be even MORE action from these voters.

"... then remember how hated Trump was, along with his refusal to agree to the peaceful transfer of power, you can see why abnormal numbers of people voted." - if this was truly their motivation, then Jan 6th and everything that has happened since then would mean they would come out even stronger. Instead, they just stayed home? Sure thing, Jan.

"... 4 straight years of Trump's backwards rhetoric, is enough to get people who normally don't care about politics, to vote." - yeah right. So because Trump calmed down his rhetoric this time around... oh wait.. he didn't! In fact, the dems have stated over and over that his rhetoric has gotten much worse. They have also ramped up the "threat to democracy" attacks... so that should have motivated this crowd to turn out even stronger.

So let's try again.... why did they stay home this time? You have given your lame excuses for why they appeared out of no where in 2020... but you have yet to explain why they all stayed away in 2024.

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Bad logic. Trying to do mental gymnastics. Whatever it takes to protect the democracy denial.

Jan 6 was 4 years ago. Had another election taken place Jan 7, 2021, sure these same 20 million would have voted IMO. Again, short memory. And people are tired of 4 years of crowing about Jan 6. It has lost its bite.

Trump's rhetoric was a relative unknown coming into 2016. Nobody knew how he'd act as President. Fewer people care today than in 2020, because while it is still backwards, people have gradually come to realize it is not as bad as legacy media makes it seem.

As I said, the election was a wholesale rejection of the Biden/Harris 4 years, but also a rejection of legacy media's narrative.

Many who believed the media's narrative about Trump in 2020 simply experienced the past 4 years, and are now a lot more willing to give Trump credit for his 4 year term.

The last big factor covid, which you didn't address.

Try again, logic this time.

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Once again, you fail to answer the simple question:

Why did they decide to stay home and not vote in 2024. None of what you said actually makes sense.

You comment about COVID is totally illogical. People were very afraid in 2020. There was a ton of mail-in ballots because of COVID. 4 years later, when no one is scared to go out in public... 15+ million voters suddenly decided that voting isn't a big deal? It is FAR easier to vote in 2024, but they just decided not to vote... and you have no logical answer as to why? How is it possible for someone who has never voted before, to register and then vote in 2020... and then do nothing in 2024?

Your attempts to explain the missing voters, are just pathetic.

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They did not vote as much in 2024 for the same reason they did not vote in 2016, 2012, 2008, etc.

These are people who normally do not vote. You zealots were never bothered by Trump's backwards rhetoric, so you have no idea how much it was thrust to the fore in social circles that don't normally care so much what politicians say.

One last thing, then I'm done educating you for today. I don't need to defend democracy. It worked great. It doesn't need me or you to believe in it to work. Every 2 years there is a massive effort by tens of thousands of Americans to give us a secure and fair election. Virtually all of them said the election was secure and fair. Guess who the only people with an issue were? The guy who lost and a ton of lawyers who made money off the lawsuits.

Honestly it is straight up disgusting to me, how concerted the effort is to undermine democracy. You have every single case shut down, no real evidence after 4 years, lawyers who were working for Trump saying "don't sue us, we were joking," lawyers in the courtroom admitting they brought cases without any evidence, not a single person in the supposed 20 million ballot manufacturing plant peeping 1 peep.... All facts are against you, and this election your same guy wins handily... Did they forget to staff the ballot manufacturing plant? Union put a hiring freeze on?

At some point it is abundantly clear that no fact, reasoned, or logical argument will get through, for one reason. You like dear leader care more about winning than America. You are actually an enemy of democracy. And I sincerely say that to you, zealot Shooter. The founding fathers would be ashamed.

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