[According to 2021 US Census Bureau
Chicago, Illinois was 29.2% Black, 35.9% White, 7.0% Asian, 0.1% Native American or Alaska Native, 10.8% from two or more races, and 15.8% from some other race. The ethnic makeup of the population is 29.8% Hispanic or Latino. ]


[According to the census, Maine has the highest percentage of non-Hispanic White of any state, at 94.4% of the total population. In 2011, 89.0% of all births in the state were to non-Hispanic White parents.]

🚨Mic drop at Senate gun control hearing🚨

This witness just told @SenatorDurbin that the 2A is about overthrowing tyrants & that the machinegun ban is unconstitutional. pic.twitter.com/ipTYLG9NCF

— Gun Owners of America (@GunOwners) November 13, 2024

Gun control arguments are rarely intellectually honest. Chicago has a backwards gun culture problem, not a gun or race problem. And huge swathes of poverty. Simple as that. Giving Chicagoans permitless conceal carry would not likely reduce gun violence.

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Gun control arguments are rarely intellectually honest. Chicago has a backwards gun culture problem, not a gun or race problem. And huge swathes of poverty. Simple as that..

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You are either being dishonest or just foolish

Poverty is not the reason for Chicago crime (and I think you know it)

In fact one of the poorest places in America has almost no crime at all.

[Your chance of becoming a victim of crime in Kiryas Joel is 1 in 1083. This equates to a crime rate of 0.92 per 1,000 residents, making Kiryas Joel one of the safest communities in New York to live in. In fact, it is one of the safest communities in the entire nation, according to FBI crime statistics.]

Redbrickbear said:

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Porteroso said:

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Gun control arguments are rarely intellectually honest. Chicago has a backwards gun culture problem, not a gun or race problem. And huge swathes of poverty. Simple as that..

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You are either being dishonest or just foolish

Poverty is not the reason for Chicago crime (and I think you know it)

In fact one of the poorest places in America has almost no crime at all.

[Your chance of becoming a victim of crime in Kiryas Joel is 1 in 1083. This equates to a crime rate of 0.92 per 1,000 residents, making Kiryas Joel one of the safest communities in New York to live in. In fact, it is one of the safest communities in the entire nation, according to FBI crime statistics.]

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A small village north of NYC being compared to Chicago has got to be a joke. If you can post something I can take seriously, I can engage.

And seriously, work on your reading comprehension. I posted 2 reasons Chicago has a massive violence problem, and your reply addressed 1 reason as if it could not be the sum of the issue. Yeah red brick, I posted 2. You put them together, and you get what you see. Not limited to Chicago, but in large cities across America and other countries, supported by social science worldwide.

#1 reason for Chicago's problems: ruled by Democrats for decades. Same with Detroit, Milwaukee, Boston, LA, and all other top cities in crime statistics. Defunding the police didn't help any of them.

Shelley Luther was jailed for keeping her salon open during the 2020 lockdown.

She just won a seat in TX State House. pic.twitter.com/7eEQCsW71Z

— End Wokeness (@EndWokeness) November 13, 2024

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Redbrickbear said:

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Porteroso said:

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Gun control arguments are rarely intellectually honest. Chicago has a backwards gun culture problem, not a gun or race problem. And huge swathes of poverty. Simple as that..

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You are either being dishonest or just foolish

Poverty is not the reason for Chicago crime (and I think you know it)

In fact one of the poorest places in America has almost no crime at all.

[Your chance of becoming a victim of crime in Kiryas Joel is 1 in 1083. This equates to a crime rate of 0.92 per 1,000 residents, making Kiryas Joel one of the safest communities in New York to live in. In fact, it is one of the safest communities in the entire nation, according to FBI crime statistics.]

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A small village north of NYC being compared to Chicago has got to be a joke. If you can post something I can take seriously, I can engage.

And seriously, work on your reading comprehension. I posted 2 reasons Chicago has a massive violence problem,

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You made a comment about poverty and gun violence

I posted a factual article about a one of the poorest places in America....and strangely it does not have gun violence problem.

(Kiryas Joel with almost 50,000 residents and 40% of Kiryas Joel residents lived below the federal poverty line. This is much higher than the national average of 12.5%)

There are also lots of other places in America that have serious poverty issues, even drug issues and family break down....but don't have the gun violence problem of Chicago (and several other cities)

When you look across gun murders by city or State in the USA there is one common denominator....and its not poverty or gun control laws.

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Chicago has a backwards gun culture problem, not a gun or race problem. And huge swathes of poverty. Simple as that.

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State homicide statistics are driven largely by what percentage of their population is black due to blacks killing and being killed at vastly higher per capita rates than other groups, even comparably poor Hispanics. https://t.co/oWhTM0bCsU
From 2021 CDC stats on homicide deaths pic.twitter.com/4ll4q5S2h2

— Steve Sailer (@Steve_Sailer) June 8, 2023

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#1 reason for Chicago's problems: ruled by Democrats for decades. Same with Detroit, Milwaukee, Boston, LA, and all other top cities in crime statistics. Defunding the police didn't help any of them.

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Nope. Democrats dominating large cities is a societal issue. The ruling tribe does not really change the fact that large cities have gun violence issues. If only life were really so black and white.

Redbrickbear said:

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Porteroso said:

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Chicago has a backwards gun culture problem, not a gun or race problem. And huge swathes of poverty. Simple as that.

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State homicide statistics are driven largely by what percentage of their population is black due to blacks killing and being killed at vastly higher per capita rates than other groups, even comparably poor Hispanics. https://t.co/oWhTM0bCsU
From 2021 CDC stats on homicide deaths pic.twitter.com/4ll4q5S2h2

— Steve Sailer (@Steve_Sailer) June 8, 2023

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Gun violence is much more closely related to poverty, than race. Go anywhere in America, find pockets of generation poverty, and there you have crime, specifically gun violence. If you showed a statistic comparing impoverished white neighborhood gun violence against impoverished black neighborhood gun violence, it would be much fairer, and the numbers closer.

I don't deny that mpoverished American blacks have a larger problem with backwards gun culture than impoverished American whites, but guess which color of skin is disproportionately impoverished, and how long that has been a trend? Culture is a powerful thing.

What i refuse to do is tie gun violence directly to color of skin, not simply out of a desire to avoid being a racist *****, but because there are other factors in play.

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Redbrickbear said:

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Porteroso said:

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Chicago has a backwards gun culture problem, not a gun or race problem. And huge swathes of poverty. Simple as that.

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State homicide statistics are driven largely by what percentage of their population is black due to blacks killing and being killed at vastly higher per capita rates than other groups, even comparably poor Hispanics. https://t.co/oWhTM0bCsU
From 2021 CDC stats on homicide deaths pic.twitter.com/4ll4q5S2h2

— Steve Sailer (@Steve_Sailer) June 8, 2023

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Gun violence is much more closely related to poverty, than race. Go anywhere in America, find pockets of generation poverty, and there you have crime, specifically gun violence. If you showed a statistic comparing impoverished white neighborhood gun violence against impoverished black neighborhood gun violence, it would be much fairer, and the numbers closer.

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But it's not

No real comparison in rates

Black males far far higher than everyone else

You either don't bother looking at the statistics or you just won't to pretend they don't exist.

America has a severe gun violence problem among young black men, who in 2022 died 24 times as often as white young men by firearm homicide according to newly released CDC WONDER data.

The Hispanic rate has been rising, but it's still only 17% as bad as the black rate. pic.twitter.com/ItHWY0KhTY

— Steve Sailer (@Steve_Sailer) July 13, 2023

There are poor white neighborhoods in NYC…they are no where near as violent

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Porteroso said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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Porteroso said:

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Chicago has a backwards gun culture problem, not a gun or race problem. And huge swathes of poverty. Simple as that.

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State homicide statistics are driven largely by what percentage of their population is black due to blacks killing and being killed at vastly higher per capita rates than other groups, even comparably poor Hispanics. https://t.co/oWhTM0bCsU
From 2021 CDC stats on homicide deaths pic.twitter.com/4ll4q5S2h2

— Steve Sailer (@Steve_Sailer) June 8, 2023

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Gun violence is much more closely related to poverty, than race. Go anywhere in America, find pockets of generation poverty, and there you have crime, specifically gun violence. If you showed a statistic comparing impoverished white neighborhood gun violence against impoverished black neighborhood gun violence, it would be much fairer, and the numbers closer.

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But it's not

No real comparison in rates

Black males far far higher than everyone else

You either don't bother looking at the statistics or you just won't to pretend they don't exist.

America has a severe gun violence problem among young black men, who in 2022 died 24 times as often as white young men by firearm homicide according to newly released CDC WONDER data.

The Hispanic rate has been rising, but it's still only 17% as bad as the black rate. pic.twitter.com/ItHWY0KhTY

— Steve Sailer (@Steve_Sailer) July 13, 2023

There are poor white neighborhoods in NYC…they are no where near as violent

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That is complete intellectual dishonesty. I am talking about comparing impoverished people only, as they commit most of the nation's crime. You are comparing by race people of all socioeconomic backgrounds. You are conflating the 2.

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Porteroso said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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Porteroso said:

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Chicago has a backwards gun culture problem, not a gun or race problem. And huge swathes of poverty. Simple as that.

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State homicide statistics are driven largely by what percentage of their population is black due to blacks killing and being killed at vastly higher per capita rates than other groups, even comparably poor Hispanics. https://t.co/oWhTM0bCsU
From 2021 CDC stats on homicide deaths pic.twitter.com/4ll4q5S2h2

— Steve Sailer (@Steve_Sailer) June 8, 2023

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Gun violence is much more closely related to poverty, than race. Go anywhere in America, find pockets of generation poverty, and there you have crime, specifically gun violence. If you showed a statistic comparing impoverished white neighborhood gun violence against impoverished black neighborhood gun violence, it would be much fairer, and the numbers closer.

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But it's not

No real comparison in rates

Black males far far higher than everyone else

You either don't bother looking at the statistics or you just won't to pretend they don't exist.

America has a severe gun violence problem among young black men, who in 2022 died 24 times as often as white young men by firearm homicide according to newly released CDC WONDER data.

The Hispanic rate has been rising, but it's still only 17% as bad as the black rate. pic.twitter.com/ItHWY0KhTY

— Steve Sailer (@Steve_Sailer) July 13, 2023

There are poor white neighborhoods in NYC…they are no where near as violent

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That is complete intellectual dishonesty. I am talking about comparing impoverished people only, as they commit most of the nation's crime. You are comparing by race people of all socioeconomic backgrounds. You are conflating the 2.

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Poverty does not account for much of the racial/ethnic homicide disparity in the United States.

That is the conclusion of my latest piece in which I investigated the question. See next tweet for the full piece. pic.twitter.com/ygBoGgP2QD

— Inquisitive Bird (@Scientific_Bird) May 8, 2024

Poverty does not appear to be the primary factor for racial crime rate differences.

The graph below plots criminality by race and income.

Wealthy blacks commit crimes at the rate of poor whites, and blacks commit crimes at a rate of 5x at all income levels (red line). https://t.co/wvE4Lgtu5G pic.twitter.com/k5nqtpUwTe

— Jeremy Kauffman 🦔🌲🌕 (@jeremykauffman) May 12, 2024

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historian said:

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#1 reason for Chicago's problems: ruled by Democrats for decades. Same with Detroit, Milwaukee, Boston, LA, and all other top cities in crime statistics. Defunding the police didn't help any of them.

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Nope. Democrats dominating large cities is a societal issue. The ruling tribe does not really change the fact that large cities have gun violence issues. If only life were really so black and white.

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I didn't say "Chicago's gun violence". I said "Chicago's problems" which is more general. I suspect that most specific problems are complicated with a variety of causes. However, local government can take specific actions to cope with crime. Blue cities chose to promote crime with a variety of foolish policies: defunding police, ignoring rioters (lots of places in 2020), failing to prosecute criminals (especially violent ones), punishing people for trying to protecting themselves & others (ie Daniel Penny), treating lawful gun owners as criminals, etc. They were very effective at incentivizing crime.

The Leftists crested a crime wave, mostly in blue cities. It was greatly exacerbated by Biden & Harris I opening the border to all the scum of the earth including terrorists, Venezuelan gang bangers, Mexican cartel operatives, & ordinary thugs. On top of that, they downplayed it & tried to cover it up.