Gaetz as AG……

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4th and Inches
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Osodecentx said:

Doc Holliday said:

Some of you guys forgot that Trump isn't running for another term. He can do whatever he wants, and whether it hurts his image or not, it doesn't matter.

It's time for retribution. Everyone will be shocked at the intel and corruption that will be exposed by Trump's team.
Gaetz won't be confirmed and won't serve 1 day as AG


he doesn't need to be confirmed in order to serve up to two years as AG
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Earlier in the day, some of Mr. Gaetz's colleagues made no secret of their joy to see him depart.
"Most people in there are giddy about it. Get him out of here," said Representative Max Miller, Republican of Ohio, speaking about his G.O.P. colleagues who were gathered to vote in leadership elections. He said Mr. Trump had plenty of other good options for nominees, but probably went with Mr. Gaetz to reward his loyalty.
Before Mr. Gaetz's resignation was publicly announced, Mr. Miller suggested that if the Senate hearings unearthed new and convincing evidence that the misconduct allegations against Mr. Gaetz were true, his colleagues could expel him, as they did Representative George Santos late last year.
Mr. Miller said he and other House Republicans were shocked that Mr. Gaetz had agreed to participate in the Senate confirmation hearings, which involve rigorous and invasive background checks.
"I'm surprised that Matt would do this to himself," Mr. Miller said. "I want to go get a big bag of popcorn and pull up a front-row seat to that show."
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/11/13/us/politics/matt-gaetz-ethics-committee-report.html
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Osodecentx said:

Doc Holliday said:

Osodecentx said:

Doc Holliday said:

Some of you guys forgot that Trump isn't running for another term. He can do whatever he wants, and whether it hurts his image or not, it doesn't matter.

It's time for retribution. Everyone will be shocked at the intel and corruption that will be exposed by Trump's team.
Gaetz won't be confirmed and won't serve 1 day as AG


Recess appointed.

Obama had 32, Clinton had 139 and Bush had 171 recess appointments.
Gaetz diddled a high school senior


17yo high school senior or 18+ yo high school senior?

One is probably criminal, other is just pervy but legal
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4th and Inches said:

Osodecentx said:

Doc Holliday said:

Some of you guys forgot that Trump isn't running for another term. He can do whatever he wants, and whether it hurts his image or not, it doesn't matter.

It's time for retribution. Everyone will be shocked at the intel and corruption that will be exposed by Trump's team.
Gaetz won't be confirmed and won't serve 1 day as AG


he doesn't need to be confirmed in order to serve up to two years as AG
The senate won't recess for 10 days, the votes aren't there

The Supreme Court has said that Senate recesses of at least 10 days are sufficient to allow a president to sidestep confirmation for appointees. To set Mr. Trump up, the majority leader would have to be willing to bring up a motion to adjourn for at least that amount of time. The Senate would then hold a simple majority vote.

If no adjournment motion passes, the chamber would remain in session. If Republicans hold a narrow 53-47 majority, it would take four Republicans to break away and join Democrats to thwart Mr. Trump's proposal.
Osodecentx
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4th and Inches said:

Osodecentx said:

Doc Holliday said:

Osodecentx said:

Doc Holliday said:

Some of you guys forgot that Trump isn't running for another term. He can do whatever he wants, and whether it hurts his image or not, it doesn't matter.

It's time for retribution. Everyone will be shocked at the intel and corruption that will be exposed by Trump's team.
Gaetz won't be confirmed and won't serve 1 day as AG


Recess appointed.

Obama had 32, Clinton had 139 and Bush had 171 recess appointments.
Gaetz diddled a high school senior


17yo high school senior or 18+ yo high school senior?

One is probably criminal, other is just pervy but legal
Senators won't vote for a pervy guy (at least) to be AG.

I'm looking forward to the senate confirmation hearing. Hard to believe Gaetz would subject himself to a hearing in which the FBI will do an intense background check
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william said:

so he's already stepped down from his position???

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2024/11/matt-gaetz-resigns-congress-after-trump-taps-him/

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Sen. Dick Durbin (D-Illinois), chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, called on the House Ethics Committee to preserve its report and documents about former congressman Matt Gaetz (R-Florida) after he abruptly resigned from the chamber Wednesday.
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Osodecentx said:

Sen. Dick Durbin (D-Illinois), chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, called on the House Ethics Committee to preserve its report and documents about former congressman Matt Gaetz (R-Florida) after he abruptly resigned from the chamber Wednesday.
The Biden DOJ exonerated Gaetz of criminal wrongdoing and dropped the charges in February 2023. Isnt that enough?
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Osodecentx said:

4th and Inches said:

Osodecentx said:

Doc Holliday said:

Osodecentx said:

Doc Holliday said:

Some of you guys forgot that Trump isn't running for another term. He can do whatever he wants, and whether it hurts his image or not, it doesn't matter.

It's time for retribution. Everyone will be shocked at the intel and corruption that will be exposed by Trump's team.
Gaetz won't be confirmed and won't serve 1 day as AG


Recess appointed.

Obama had 32, Clinton had 139 and Bush had 171 recess appointments.
Gaetz diddled a high school senior


17yo high school senior or 18+ yo high school senior?

One is probably criminal, other is just pervy but legal
Senators won't vote for a pervy guy (at least) to be AG.



How many pervy guys would you say have been Senators?

How many pervy guys are Senators right now?

The answer is not zero....
whiterock
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Osodecentx said:

4th and Inches said:

Osodecentx said:

Doc Holliday said:

Some of you guys forgot that Trump isn't running for another term. He can do whatever he wants, and whether it hurts his image or not, it doesn't matter.

It's time for retribution. Everyone will be shocked at the intel and corruption that will be exposed by Trump's team.
Gaetz won't be confirmed and won't serve 1 day as AG


he doesn't need to be confirmed in order to serve up to two years as AG
The senate won't recess for 10 days, the votes aren't there

The Supreme Court has said that Senate recesses of at least 10 days are sufficient to allow a president to sidestep confirmation for appointees. To set Mr. Trump up, the majority leader would have to be willing to bring up a motion to adjourn for at least that amount of time. The Senate would then hold a simple majority vote.

If no adjournment motion passes, the chamber would remain in session. If Republicans hold a narrow 53-47 majority, it would take four Republicans to break away and join Democrats to thwart Mr. Trump's proposal.

The votes are probably there for recess. It's a great way for Trump to get what he needs (his cabinet picks) and moderate GOP'ers to get what they want (avoiding messy fights & getting on with making sausage). All it takes is for moderates to be moderate and cut the deal.


Or, they can profile themselves as swamp creatures.
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Redbrickbear said:

Osodecentx said:

4th and Inches said:

Osodecentx said:

Doc Holliday said:

Osodecentx said:

Doc Holliday said:

Some of you guys forgot that Trump isn't running for another term. He can do whatever he wants, and whether it hurts his image or not, it doesn't matter.

It's time for retribution. Everyone will be shocked at the intel and corruption that will be exposed by Trump's team.
Gaetz won't be confirmed and won't serve 1 day as AG


Recess appointed.

Obama had 32, Clinton had 139 and Bush had 171 recess appointments.
Gaetz diddled a high school senior


17yo high school senior or 18+ yo high school senior?

One is probably criminal, other is just pervy but legal
Senators won't vote for a pervy guy (at least) to be AG.



How many pervy guys would you say have been Senators?

How many pervy guys are Senators right now?

The answer is not zero....


How many have president? Not zero.

How many showered with their daughter?
Redbrickbear
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midgett said:

Redbrickbear said:

Osodecentx said:

4th and Inches said:

Osodecentx said:

Doc Holliday said:

Osodecentx said:

Doc Holliday said:

Some of you guys forgot that Trump isn't running for another term. He can do whatever he wants, and whether it hurts his image or not, it doesn't matter.

It's time for retribution. Everyone will be shocked at the intel and corruption that will be exposed by Trump's team.
Gaetz won't be confirmed and won't serve 1 day as AG


Recess appointed.

Obama had 32, Clinton had 139 and Bush had 171 recess appointments.
Gaetz diddled a high school senior


17yo high school senior or 18+ yo high school senior?

One is probably criminal, other is just pervy but legal
Senators won't vote for a pervy guy (at least) to be AG.



How many pervy guys would you say have been Senators?

How many pervy guys are Senators right now?

The answer is not zero....


How many have president? Not zero.

How many showered with their daughter?

Yea

JFK and Bill Clinton were legendary sex pests

Yet now the Senate has a problem with this Rep. from Florida?
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Assassin said:




Another bizarre piece of a bizarre puzzle.

Why would the support of Ken Paxton be considered a good thing for this unqualified AG nominee ?

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Osodecentx
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Assassin said:

Osodecentx said:

Sen. Dick Durbin (D-Illinois), chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, called on the House Ethics Committee to preserve its report and documents about former congressman Matt Gaetz (R-Florida) after he abruptly resigned from the chamber Wednesday.
The Biden DOJ exonerated Gaetz of criminal wrongdoing and dropped the charges in February 2023. Isnt that enough?
Not being indicted is not exoneration

Let's see the House Committee report
Osodecentx
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Lawmakers in both parties on Thursday called on a congressional panel to release the results of an investigation into alleged misconduct by former Representative Matt Gaetz of Florida, demanding to see its report about sexual misconduct and other charges against President-elect Donald J. Trump's pick to be the attorney general.
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Osodecentx said:

Assassin said:

Osodecentx said:

Sen. Dick Durbin (D-Illinois), chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, called on the House Ethics Committee to preserve its report and documents about former congressman Matt Gaetz (R-Florida) after he abruptly resigned from the chamber Wednesday.
The Biden DOJ exonerated Gaetz of criminal wrongdoing and dropped the charges in February 2023. Isnt that enough?
Not being indicted is not exoneration

Let's see the House Committee report


No fan of Gartz, however I just got to wonder how many members of congress would be 'exonerated' by members of the opposite party.
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I'd prefer the DOJ focus on crime and not political reprisals and internal politics. The Democrats started it, and it appears Trump is going to continue it. Oh well…
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Matt Gaetz has no business in law enforcement of any kind. He isn't a reformer. He's a mouthy half-wit spoiled brat whose power-broker dad set him up in Florida politics after covering over his ongoing "slip-ups." It isn't even about his qualifications or lack of them. He will be utterly ineffective, and no good conservatives will want to work in his DOJ. He'll end up firing a bunch of people (nothing bad about that) but having to replace them with incompetents.

He will do more to politicize the DOJ, just in the other direction. Terrible, terrible move.
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whiterock said:

KaiBear said:

whiterock said:

KaiBear said:

whiterock said:

KaiBear said:

Bizarre choice, unless Trump plans to go scorched earth.

Guess what comes around, goes around.

genius choice. Printers at DOJ are on overload getting resume's ready for jobs at Democrat law firms.

After what Garland did, total reset is in order. Let him do the dirty work, then let someone else come in & rebuild it properly.




This pick weakens Trump.
How? Please explain.

Trump campaigned on the idea that the DOJ had been politicized.
The American People agreed and elected him.
Why should he NOT pick an intelligent, well-spoken, fearless disruptor to go there and actually disrupt?

I didn't see it coming (i.e. didn't think of him as an option) but how can be be surprised at a pick like this? Trump has a track record of actually trying to accomplish his campaign promises. Could we reasonably expect him to select an establishmentarian to show up, change a few light bulbs, then tell us how important it is that we back off & let DOJ do its job of administering a dual standard of justice? (i.e. what all of his predecessors have done). After what Trump has been thru, wouldn't we expect him to seek transformative reform? How do we get transformative reform without breaking glass?

The appointment is divine poetic justice.
Gaetz is arguably a victim of a politicized DOJ.
There could be no better signal to send to Javier than to appoint Valjean as his boss.
It's like Nolan Ryan whizzing a 100mph fastball at your chin.
A lot of DOJ rats will grasp what this appointment portends and be out the door before Trump is inaugurated.

I erupted in laughter when I heard the news on the radio. it's a great big Foxtrot Uniform to the establishment, and boy do they have it coming.




Time wasted on 'retribution', is time ( and political chips ) that could be better spent on legislation that aids the American people.
One man's "retribution" is another man's "reform."
A POTUS can accomplish a lot without a single piece of legislation. He can write Executive Orders which have substantial impact on agency activities. And, of course, he can hire/fire people.


It's a horrible / juvenile selection that ruins Trump's momentum.
It's delivering on a promise to the American people.

He has only got 4 months to 2 years to get his agenda done.
Exactly. He's signaled that he is going to move very swiftly.

This AG selection screws everything up.
For Democrats.
The AG selection which really screwed everything up was Jeff Sessions.

You are reacting to an instinct to protect an institution which has just shown itself to be a clear and present danger to your liberties and mine.

We do need a DOJ. Unfortunately, the one we have is running amok. It needs a LOT of reform. I don't care if they break tail lights, scratch paint, tear upholstery, etc...... I want a housecleaning so thorough that the survivors are more afraid of Republicans than they are Democrats.

Anything short of that is a systemic failure by the Trump admin.


The fact you want the Justice department to fear any political party is worrisome. That is the recipe for politicizing law enforcement. How about we be better than the opposition?
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ATL Bear said:

whiterock said:

KaiBear said:

whiterock said:

KaiBear said:

whiterock said:

KaiBear said:

Bizarre choice, unless Trump plans to go scorched earth.

Guess what comes around, goes around.

genius choice. Printers at DOJ are on overload getting resume's ready for jobs at Democrat law firms.

After what Garland did, total reset is in order. Let him do the dirty work, then let someone else come in & rebuild it properly.




This pick weakens Trump.
How? Please explain.

Trump campaigned on the idea that the DOJ had been politicized.
The American People agreed and elected him.
Why should he NOT pick an intelligent, well-spoken, fearless disruptor to go there and actually disrupt?

I didn't see it coming (i.e. didn't think of him as an option) but how can be be surprised at a pick like this? Trump has a track record of actually trying to accomplish his campaign promises. Could we reasonably expect him to select an establishmentarian to show up, change a few light bulbs, then tell us how important it is that we back off & let DOJ do its job of administering a dual standard of justice? (i.e. what all of his predecessors have done). After what Trump has been thru, wouldn't we expect him to seek transformative reform? How do we get transformative reform without breaking glass?

The appointment is divine poetic justice.
Gaetz is arguably a victim of a politicized DOJ.
There could be no better signal to send to Javier than to appoint Valjean as his boss.
It's like Nolan Ryan whizzing a 100mph fastball at your chin.
A lot of DOJ rats will grasp what this appointment portends and be out the door before Trump is inaugurated.

I erupted in laughter when I heard the news on the radio. it's a great big Foxtrot Uniform to the establishment, and boy do they have it coming.




Time wasted on 'retribution', is time ( and political chips ) that could be better spent on legislation that aids the American people.
One man's "retribution" is another man's "reform."
A POTUS can accomplish a lot without a single piece of legislation. He can write Executive Orders which have substantial impact on agency activities. And, of course, he can hire/fire people.


It's a horrible / juvenile selection that ruins Trump's momentum.
It's delivering on a promise to the American people.

He has only got 4 months to 2 years to get his agenda done.
Exactly. He's signaled that he is going to move very swiftly.

This AG selection screws everything up.
For Democrats.
The AG selection which really screwed everything up was Jeff Sessions.

You are reacting to an instinct to protect an institution which has just shown itself to be a clear and present danger to your liberties and mine.

We do need a DOJ. Unfortunately, the one we have is running amok. It needs a LOT of reform. I don't care if they break tail lights, scratch paint, tear upholstery, etc...... I want a housecleaning so thorough that the survivors are more afraid of Republicans than they are Democrats.

Anything short of that is a systemic failure by the Trump admin.


The fact you want the Justice department to fear any political party is worrisome. That is the recipe for politicizing law enforcement. How about we be better than the opposition?


Criminals should fear justice. Law abiding citizens should embrace it. I'm betting there is more than a handful of the former on both sides.

Conservatives want:
1. The doj to stop being sicced on innocent political opponents (russia hoax and all the other trump lawfare. Dude, it was a big factor why you lost. Get a clue.
2. The doj to actually go after criminals such as Hunter, that General that leaked, and all the people involved in the fake dossier. And Hillary.

We are not being inconsistent. You are being intentionally dense.
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whiterock said:

KaiBear said:

whiterock said:

KaiBear said:

whiterock said:

KaiBear said:

Bizarre choice, unless Trump plans to go scorched earth.

Guess what comes around, goes around.

genius choice. Printers at DOJ are on overload getting resume's ready for jobs at Democrat law firms.

After what Garland did, total reset is in order. Let him do the dirty work, then let someone else come in & rebuild it properly.




This pick weakens Trump.
How? Please explain.

Trump campaigned on the idea that the DOJ had been politicized.
The American People agreed and elected him.
Why should he NOT pick an intelligent, well-spoken, fearless disruptor to go there and actually disrupt?

I didn't see it coming (i.e. didn't think of him as an option) but how can be be surprised at a pick like this? Trump has a track record of actually trying to accomplish his campaign promises. Could we reasonably expect him to select an establishmentarian to show up, change a few light bulbs, then tell us how important it is that we back off & let DOJ do its job of administering a dual standard of justice? (i.e. what all of his predecessors have done). After what Trump has been thru, wouldn't we expect him to seek transformative reform? How do we get transformative reform without breaking glass?

The appointment is divine poetic justice.
Gaetz is arguably a victim of a politicized DOJ.
There could be no better signal to send to Javier than to appoint Valjean as his boss.
It's like Nolan Ryan whizzing a 100mph fastball at your chin.
A lot of DOJ rats will grasp what this appointment portends and be out the door before Trump is inaugurated.

I erupted in laughter when I heard the news on the radio. it's a great big Foxtrot Uniform to the establishment, and boy do they have it coming.




Time wasted on 'retribution', is time ( and political chips ) that could be better spent on legislation that aids the American people.
One man's "retribution" is another man's "reform."
A POTUS can accomplish a lot without a single piece of legislation. He can write Executive Orders which have substantial impact on agency activities. And, of course, he can hire/fire people.


It's a horrible / juvenile selection that ruins Trump's momentum.
It's delivering on a promise to the American people.

He has only got 4 months to 2 years to get his agenda done.
Exactly. He's signaled that he is going to move very swiftly.

This AG selection screws everything up.
For Democrats.
The AG selection which really screwed everything up was Jeff Sessions.

You are reacting to an instinct to protect an institution which has just shown itself to be a clear and present danger to your liberties and mine.
In other words, Trump's program of retribution will be predicated on a myth that Trump himself invented. This is the kind of thing that makes people wonder about his fascist tendencies.
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ATL Bear said:

whiterock said:

KaiBear said:

whiterock said:

KaiBear said:

whiterock said:

KaiBear said:

Bizarre choice, unless Trump plans to go scorched earth.

Guess what comes around, goes around.

genius choice. Printers at DOJ are on overload getting resume's ready for jobs at Democrat law firms.

After what Garland did, total reset is in order. Let him do the dirty work, then let someone else come in & rebuild it properly.




This pick weakens Trump.
How? Please explain.

Trump campaigned on the idea that the DOJ had been politicized.
The American People agreed and elected him.
Why should he NOT pick an intelligent, well-spoken, fearless disruptor to go there and actually disrupt?

I didn't see it coming (i.e. didn't think of him as an option) but how can be be surprised at a pick like this? Trump has a track record of actually trying to accomplish his campaign promises. Could we reasonably expect him to select an establishmentarian to show up, change a few light bulbs, then tell us how important it is that we back off & let DOJ do its job of administering a dual standard of justice? (i.e. what all of his predecessors have done). After what Trump has been thru, wouldn't we expect him to seek transformative reform? How do we get transformative reform without breaking glass?

The appointment is divine poetic justice.
Gaetz is arguably a victim of a politicized DOJ.
There could be no better signal to send to Javier than to appoint Valjean as his boss.
It's like Nolan Ryan whizzing a 100mph fastball at your chin.
A lot of DOJ rats will grasp what this appointment portends and be out the door before Trump is inaugurated.

I erupted in laughter when I heard the news on the radio. it's a great big Foxtrot Uniform to the establishment, and boy do they have it coming.




Time wasted on 'retribution', is time ( and political chips ) that could be better spent on legislation that aids the American people.
One man's "retribution" is another man's "reform."
A POTUS can accomplish a lot without a single piece of legislation. He can write Executive Orders which have substantial impact on agency activities. And, of course, he can hire/fire people.


It's a horrible / juvenile selection that ruins Trump's momentum.
It's delivering on a promise to the American people.

He has only got 4 months to 2 years to get his agenda done.
Exactly. He's signaled that he is going to move very swiftly.

This AG selection screws everything up.
For Democrats.
The AG selection which really screwed everything up was Jeff Sessions.

You are reacting to an instinct to protect an institution which has just shown itself to be a clear and present danger to your liberties and mine.

We do need a DOJ. Unfortunately, the one we have is running amok. It needs a LOT of reform. I don't care if they break tail lights, scratch paint, tear upholstery, etc...... I want a housecleaning so thorough that the survivors are more afraid of Republicans than they are Democrats.

Anything short of that is a systemic failure by the Trump admin.


The fact you want the Justice department to fear any political party is worrisome. That is the recipe for politicizing law enforcement. How about we be better than the opposition?
Too many people think this is all about sensibilities. They don't understand that different methods will yield different results. Further politicizing by Trump won't make the Democrats afraid of lawfare. It will only feed the cycle.
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ATL Bear said:

whiterock said:

KaiBear said:

whiterock said:

KaiBear said:

whiterock said:

KaiBear said:

Bizarre choice, unless Trump plans to go scorched earth.

Guess what comes around, goes around.

genius choice. Printers at DOJ are on overload getting resume's ready for jobs at Democrat law firms.

After what Garland did, total reset is in order. Let him do the dirty work, then let someone else come in & rebuild it properly.




This pick weakens Trump.
How? Please explain.

Trump campaigned on the idea that the DOJ had been politicized.
The American People agreed and elected him.
Why should he NOT pick an intelligent, well-spoken, fearless disruptor to go there and actually disrupt?

I didn't see it coming (i.e. didn't think of him as an option) but how can be be surprised at a pick like this? Trump has a track record of actually trying to accomplish his campaign promises. Could we reasonably expect him to select an establishmentarian to show up, change a few light bulbs, then tell us how important it is that we back off & let DOJ do its job of administering a dual standard of justice? (i.e. what all of his predecessors have done). After what Trump has been thru, wouldn't we expect him to seek transformative reform? How do we get transformative reform without breaking glass?

The appointment is divine poetic justice.
Gaetz is arguably a victim of a politicized DOJ.
There could be no better signal to send to Javier than to appoint Valjean as his boss.
It's like Nolan Ryan whizzing a 100mph fastball at your chin.
A lot of DOJ rats will grasp what this appointment portends and be out the door before Trump is inaugurated.

I erupted in laughter when I heard the news on the radio. it's a great big Foxtrot Uniform to the establishment, and boy do they have it coming.




Time wasted on 'retribution', is time ( and political chips ) that could be better spent on legislation that aids the American people.
One man's "retribution" is another man's "reform."
A POTUS can accomplish a lot without a single piece of legislation. He can write Executive Orders which have substantial impact on agency activities. And, of course, he can hire/fire people.


It's a horrible / juvenile selection that ruins Trump's momentum.
It's delivering on a promise to the American people.

He has only got 4 months to 2 years to get his agenda done.
Exactly. He's signaled that he is going to move very swiftly.

This AG selection screws everything up.
For Democrats.
The AG selection which really screwed everything up was Jeff Sessions.

You are reacting to an instinct to protect an institution which has just shown itself to be a clear and present danger to your liberties and mine.

We do need a DOJ. Unfortunately, the one we have is running amok. It needs a LOT of reform. I don't care if they break tail lights, scratch paint, tear upholstery, etc...... I want a housecleaning so thorough that the survivors are more afraid of Republicans than they are Democrats.

Anything short of that is a systemic failure by the Trump admin.


The fact you want the Justice department to fear any political party is worrisome. That is the recipe for politicizing law enforcement. How about we be better than the opposition?
You illustrate the problem, exactly. Republicans always say that - "we should not do what they do...we are better than that." As a result, the bureaucracy fears Democrats, but not Republicans. They cover up, they delay, they refuse to acknowledge problems, they redefine statute to suit political exigencies, etc.....to benefit Democrats.....while subjecting Republicans to unrelenting lawfare. Remember Sen. Stevens from AK? Remember Russia Collusion? When has such ever happened to Democrats? Look how hard DOJ worked to hide Hunters blatant law breaking, while condoning early morning SWAT raids for contrived process crimes by Republicans. With Trump, they took the criminal prosecution route, searching closets of the private residence of a former POTUS over classified documents, rather than making the slightest attempt to resolve the issue in civil court over the limits of presidential powers (which was the actual issue at hand). Meanwhile, fmr Senator Biden, who had no Presidential powers claims at all, is given a pass because he is too senile to be prosecuted successfully (even though he's the sitting POTUS). Such an over-the-top double standard at play.... We've reached the point where no Republican is safe from anything if these kinds of things are allowed to stand.

We either do exactly what the Democrats have done, OR we clean house. I'd prefer the latter - we investigate a couple of those involved in it, and run off all who stood silently by. Just one perp walk will do. We must instill bureaucrats with fear that the GOP will be just as ruthless as the Democrats. Given how far the disequilibrium has gone, it will take a bomb-thrower to do that. Worst thing we could do is appoint another Jeff Sessions, who will go along with the status quo, or Bill Barr, who will limit the nonsense but defend the institution from serious reforms. It just ensures that all the progressive nonsense embedded in the woodwork remains in place to engage in insurgency and worse.

I have a high-school classmate who is a career DOJ prosecutor. Fine human being. Whip smart, principled, conservative, etc..... We eat breakfast a few times a year. The organization is full of guys like that. But the top floor is rotten to the core. Time to clean house. We simply must, for the good of the organization AND the Republic, make sure that future generations of DOJ employees get taught the history about the grief that happens to those who go along with partisan games.

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Sam Lowry said:

whiterock said:

KaiBear said:

whiterock said:

KaiBear said:

whiterock said:

KaiBear said:

Bizarre choice, unless Trump plans to go scorched earth.

Guess what comes around, goes around.

genius choice. Printers at DOJ are on overload getting resume's ready for jobs at Democrat law firms.

After what Garland did, total reset is in order. Let him do the dirty work, then let someone else come in & rebuild it properly.




This pick weakens Trump.
How? Please explain.

Trump campaigned on the idea that the DOJ had been politicized.
The American People agreed and elected him.
Why should he NOT pick an intelligent, well-spoken, fearless disruptor to go there and actually disrupt?

I didn't see it coming (i.e. didn't think of him as an option) but how can be be surprised at a pick like this? Trump has a track record of actually trying to accomplish his campaign promises. Could we reasonably expect him to select an establishmentarian to show up, change a few light bulbs, then tell us how important it is that we back off & let DOJ do its job of administering a dual standard of justice? (i.e. what all of his predecessors have done). After what Trump has been thru, wouldn't we expect him to seek transformative reform? How do we get transformative reform without breaking glass?

The appointment is divine poetic justice.
Gaetz is arguably a victim of a politicized DOJ.
There could be no better signal to send to Javier than to appoint Valjean as his boss.
It's like Nolan Ryan whizzing a 100mph fastball at your chin.
A lot of DOJ rats will grasp what this appointment portends and be out the door before Trump is inaugurated.

I erupted in laughter when I heard the news on the radio. it's a great big Foxtrot Uniform to the establishment, and boy do they have it coming.




Time wasted on 'retribution', is time ( and political chips ) that could be better spent on legislation that aids the American people.
One man's "retribution" is another man's "reform."
A POTUS can accomplish a lot without a single piece of legislation. He can write Executive Orders which have substantial impact on agency activities. And, of course, he can hire/fire people.


It's a horrible / juvenile selection that ruins Trump's momentum.
It's delivering on a promise to the American people.

He has only got 4 months to 2 years to get his agenda done.
Exactly. He's signaled that he is going to move very swiftly.

This AG selection screws everything up.
For Democrats.
The AG selection which really screwed everything up was Jeff Sessions.

You are reacting to an instinct to protect an institution which has just shown itself to be a clear and present danger to your liberties and mine.
In other words, Trump's program of retribution will be predicated on a myth that Trump himself invented. This is the kind of thing that makes people wonder about his fascist tendencies.
careful there. you're casting a shadow on the Iron Law of Woke Projection.
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Matt Gaetz has no business in law enforcement of any kind. He isn't a reformer. He's a mouthy half-wit spoiled brat whose power-broker dad set him up in Florida politics after covering over his ongoing "slip-ups." It isn't even about his qualifications or lack of them. He will be utterly ineffective, and no good conservatives will want to work in his DOJ. He'll end up firing a bunch of people (nothing bad about that) but having to replace them with incompetents.

He will do more to politicize the DOJ, just in the other direction. Terrible, terrible move.
if all he does is get rid of the progressive activists, it's a huge win for everyone, his critics and supporters alike, as they both will benefit from ending the culture of politicized law enforcement.
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KaiBear said:

Osodecentx said:

Assassin said:

Osodecentx said:

Sen. Dick Durbin (D-Illinois), chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, called on the House Ethics Committee to preserve its report and documents about former congressman Matt Gaetz (R-Florida) after he abruptly resigned from the chamber Wednesday.
The Biden DOJ exonerated Gaetz of criminal wrongdoing and dropped the charges in February 2023. Isnt that enough?
Not being indicted is not exoneration

Let's see the House Committee report


No fan of Gartz, however I just got to wonder how many members of congress would be 'exonerated' by members of the opposite party.
Kinda funny that quiet, ineffective back-benchers rarely ever get accused or investigated, isn't it?
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Its like he didnt watch the election. Calling Trump a facist just lost them the election.

He can keep living in his alternative reality that many are finally escaping.

Lock her up!
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whiterock said:

Sam Lowry said:

whiterock said:

KaiBear said:

whiterock said:

KaiBear said:

whiterock said:

KaiBear said:

Bizarre choice, unless Trump plans to go scorched earth.

Guess what comes around, goes around.

genius choice. Printers at DOJ are on overload getting resume's ready for jobs at Democrat law firms.

After what Garland did, total reset is in order. Let him do the dirty work, then let someone else come in & rebuild it properly.




This pick weakens Trump.
How? Please explain.

Trump campaigned on the idea that the DOJ had been politicized.
The American People agreed and elected him.
Why should he NOT pick an intelligent, well-spoken, fearless disruptor to go there and actually disrupt?

I didn't see it coming (i.e. didn't think of him as an option) but how can be be surprised at a pick like this? Trump has a track record of actually trying to accomplish his campaign promises. Could we reasonably expect him to select an establishmentarian to show up, change a few light bulbs, then tell us how important it is that we back off & let DOJ do its job of administering a dual standard of justice? (i.e. what all of his predecessors have done). After what Trump has been thru, wouldn't we expect him to seek transformative reform? How do we get transformative reform without breaking glass?

The appointment is divine poetic justice.
Gaetz is arguably a victim of a politicized DOJ.
There could be no better signal to send to Javier than to appoint Valjean as his boss.
It's like Nolan Ryan whizzing a 100mph fastball at your chin.
A lot of DOJ rats will grasp what this appointment portends and be out the door before Trump is inaugurated.

I erupted in laughter when I heard the news on the radio. it's a great big Foxtrot Uniform to the establishment, and boy do they have it coming.




Time wasted on 'retribution', is time ( and political chips ) that could be better spent on legislation that aids the American people.
One man's "retribution" is another man's "reform."
A POTUS can accomplish a lot without a single piece of legislation. He can write Executive Orders which have substantial impact on agency activities. And, of course, he can hire/fire people.


It's a horrible / juvenile selection that ruins Trump's momentum.
It's delivering on a promise to the American people.

He has only got 4 months to 2 years to get his agenda done.
Exactly. He's signaled that he is going to move very swiftly.

This AG selection screws everything up.
For Democrats.
The AG selection which really screwed everything up was Jeff Sessions.

You are reacting to an instinct to protect an institution which has just shown itself to be a clear and present danger to your liberties and mine.
In other words, Trump's program of retribution will be predicated on a myth that Trump himself invented. This is the kind of thing that makes people wonder about his fascist tendencies.
careful there. you're casting a shadow on the Iron Law of Woke Projection.
I guess that's a fancy way of saying "I know you are but what am I."

Your problem is that reality does exist, even if partisans don't like it. Trump's legal defenses to the document prosecution are objectively nonsensical. It would be a whole other discussion were that not the case.
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whiterock said:

KaiBear said:

Osodecentx said:

Assassin said:

Osodecentx said:

Sen. Dick Durbin (D-Illinois), chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, called on the House Ethics Committee to preserve its report and documents about former congressman Matt Gaetz (R-Florida) after he abruptly resigned from the chamber Wednesday.
The Biden DOJ exonerated Gaetz of criminal wrongdoing and dropped the charges in February 2023. Isnt that enough?
Not being indicted is not exoneration

Let's see the House Committee report


No fan of Gartz, however I just got to wonder how many members of congress would be 'exonerated' by members of the opposite party.
Kinda funny that quiet, ineffective back-benchers rarely ever get accused or investigated, isn't it?


Just wondering how many back benchers are f'ing 17 y/o and showing the pictures to colleagues on the House floor
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Osodecentx said:

whiterock said:

KaiBear said:

Osodecentx said:

Assassin said:

Osodecentx said:

Sen. Dick Durbin (D-Illinois), chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, called on the House Ethics Committee to preserve its report and documents about former congressman Matt Gaetz (R-Florida) after he abruptly resigned from the chamber Wednesday.
The Biden DOJ exonerated Gaetz of criminal wrongdoing and dropped the charges in February 2023. Isnt that enough?
Not being indicted is not exoneration

Let's see the House Committee report


No fan of Gartz, however I just got to wonder how many members of congress would be 'exonerated' by members of the opposite party.
Kinda funny that quiet, ineffective back-benchers rarely ever get accused or investigated, isn't it?


Just wondering how many back benchers are f'ing 17 y/o and showing the pictures to colleagues on the House floor
If he'd have done that, the highly politicized Merrick Garland DOJ wouldn't have shut down the investigation.
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Sam Lowry said:

whiterock said:

Sam Lowry said:

whiterock said:

KaiBear said:

whiterock said:

KaiBear said:

whiterock said:

KaiBear said:

Bizarre choice, unless Trump plans to go scorched earth.

Guess what comes around, goes around.

genius choice. Printers at DOJ are on overload getting resume's ready for jobs at Democrat law firms.

After what Garland did, total reset is in order. Let him do the dirty work, then let someone else come in & rebuild it properly.




This pick weakens Trump.
How? Please explain.

Trump campaigned on the idea that the DOJ had been politicized.
The American People agreed and elected him.
Why should he NOT pick an intelligent, well-spoken, fearless disruptor to go there and actually disrupt?

I didn't see it coming (i.e. didn't think of him as an option) but how can be be surprised at a pick like this? Trump has a track record of actually trying to accomplish his campaign promises. Could we reasonably expect him to select an establishmentarian to show up, change a few light bulbs, then tell us how important it is that we back off & let DOJ do its job of administering a dual standard of justice? (i.e. what all of his predecessors have done). After what Trump has been thru, wouldn't we expect him to seek transformative reform? How do we get transformative reform without breaking glass?

The appointment is divine poetic justice.
Gaetz is arguably a victim of a politicized DOJ.
There could be no better signal to send to Javier than to appoint Valjean as his boss.
It's like Nolan Ryan whizzing a 100mph fastball at your chin.
A lot of DOJ rats will grasp what this appointment portends and be out the door before Trump is inaugurated.

I erupted in laughter when I heard the news on the radio. it's a great big Foxtrot Uniform to the establishment, and boy do they have it coming.




Time wasted on 'retribution', is time ( and political chips ) that could be better spent on legislation that aids the American people.
One man's "retribution" is another man's "reform."
A POTUS can accomplish a lot without a single piece of legislation. He can write Executive Orders which have substantial impact on agency activities. And, of course, he can hire/fire people.


It's a horrible / juvenile selection that ruins Trump's momentum.
It's delivering on a promise to the American people.

He has only got 4 months to 2 years to get his agenda done.
Exactly. He's signaled that he is going to move very swiftly.

This AG selection screws everything up.
For Democrats.
The AG selection which really screwed everything up was Jeff Sessions.

You are reacting to an instinct to protect an institution which has just shown itself to be a clear and present danger to your liberties and mine.
In other words, Trump's program of retribution will be predicated on a myth that Trump himself invented. This is the kind of thing that makes people wonder about his fascist tendencies.
careful there. you're casting a shadow on the Iron Law of Woke Projection.
I guess that's a fancy way of saying "I know you are but what am I."

Your problem is that reality does exist, even if partisans don't like it. Trump's legal defenses to the document prosecution are objectively nonsensical. It would be a whole other discussion were that not the case.
No, it's a plain way of saying that those calling Trump a fascist are usually more guilty of it than he is. If you remember, he was POTUS for 4 years and did not do any of the things his critics insist he will do in his next term.

The documents case would indeed be a whole other discussion if DOJ had gone to civil court, won the argument on limits of Presidential powers, and obtained a court order to hand over the documents. But they didn't do that. They chose to make a completely outrageous criminal case out of it to just to create political theater, thinking it would rebound to their benefit. Pretty substantial miscalculation, that. But, then, you'd know a lot about political miscalculations. You've elevated them to high art.

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whiterock said:

OsoCoreyell said:

Matt Gaetz has no business in law enforcement of any kind. He isn't a reformer. He's a mouthy half-wit spoiled brat whose power-broker dad set him up in Florida politics after covering over his ongoing "slip-ups." It isn't even about his qualifications or lack of them. He will be utterly ineffective, and no good conservatives will want to work in his DOJ. He'll end up firing a bunch of people (nothing bad about that) but having to replace them with incompetents.

He will do more to politicize the DOJ, just in the other direction. Terrible, terrible move.
if all he does is get rid of the progressive activists, it's a huge win for everyone, his critics and supporters alike, as they both will benefit from ending the culture of politicized law enforcement.


He will do that, this is a burn the place to the ground retribution tour. The question is who does he replace them with? What do they stand for? Blind allegiance to Trump? Recess Appointments? Dick Cheney Halibutyon grift, just with Musk and Vivek? Closed fist salutes when mentioning his name?
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FLBear5630 said:

whiterock said:

OsoCoreyell said:

Matt Gaetz has no business in law enforcement of any kind. He isn't a reformer. He's a mouthy half-wit spoiled brat whose power-broker dad set him up in Florida politics after covering over his ongoing "slip-ups." It isn't even about his qualifications or lack of them. He will be utterly ineffective, and no good conservatives will want to work in his DOJ. He'll end up firing a bunch of people (nothing bad about that) but having to replace them with incompetents.

He will do more to politicize the DOJ, just in the other direction. Terrible, terrible move.
if all he does is get rid of the progressive activists, it's a huge win for everyone, his critics and supporters alike, as they both will benefit from ending the culture of politicized law enforcement.


He will do that, this is a burn the place to the ground retribution tour. The question is who does he replace them with? What do they stand for? Blind allegiance to Trump? Recess Appointments? Dick Cheney Halibutyon grift, just with Musk and Vivek? Closed fist salutes when mentioning his name?
I know a really solid dude right here in Waco that would be deserving of a promotion.

There is no shortage of good people. There is mostly a shortage of accountability.
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whiterock said:

FLBear5630 said:

whiterock said:

OsoCoreyell said:

Matt Gaetz has no business in law enforcement of any kind. He isn't a reformer. He's a mouthy half-wit spoiled brat whose power-broker dad set him up in Florida politics after covering over his ongoing "slip-ups." It isn't even about his qualifications or lack of them. He will be utterly ineffective, and no good conservatives will want to work in his DOJ. He'll end up firing a bunch of people (nothing bad about that) but having to replace them with incompetents.

He will do more to politicize the DOJ, just in the other direction. Terrible, terrible move.
if all he does is get rid of the progressive activists, it's a huge win for everyone, his critics and supporters alike, as they both will benefit from ending the culture of politicized law enforcement.


He will do that, this is a burn the place to the ground retribution tour. The question is who does he replace them with? What do they stand for? Blind allegiance to Trump? Recess Appointments? Dick Cheney Halibutyon grift, just with Musk and Vivek? Closed fist salutes when mentioning his name?
I know a really solid dude right here in Waco that would be deserving of a promotion.

There is no shortage of good people. There is mostly a shortage of accountability.


Agree, there are really good people. You don't get accountability, by skipping accountability. You don't get it, requiring or forcing recess Appointments. I want to hear them answer the questions, that is the Senates job.
 
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