The problem was never anyone opposing the development of alternative energy sources, it was the imbecilic glorification of alternative sources as the new mainstay, which engineers and real scientists always warned was rash and foolish.

Governor Abbott even bought into that lie, and ordered wind to be given an absurd portion of the power load in 2021, which is part of why the freeze killed people and caused billions in avoidable losses.

Abbott got a nice trophy in 2020 though, for being a "Champion of Wind Power".

The left is still pretending folks don't need heating oil or natural gas, as is if solar power would be useful in New England during winter, or wind could be reliable even though wind currents wax and wane like all weather.

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The problem was never anyone opposing the development of alternative energy sources, it was the imbecilic glorification of alternative sources as the new mainstay, which engineers and real scientists always warned was rash and foolish.

Governor Abbott even bought into that lie, and ordered wind to be given an absurd portion of the power load in 2021, which is part of why the freeze killed people and caused billions in avoidable losses.

Abbott got a nice trophy in 2020 though, for being a "Champion of Wind Power".

The left is still pretending folks don't need heating oil or natural gas, as is if solar power would be useful in New England during winter, or wind could be reliable even though wind currents wax and wane like all weather.

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We agree on this. The Biden Admin's strategy to abandon fossil fuels was moronic. We should develop every option out there and use the best one for the job. I do not get some of the decisions that were made. Options are never a bad thing.

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And any and all such developments should be completely organic and local. The federal government should not be involved because they screw up everything they touch. Four years of Biden & Harris has proven that in spades but it's really decades of fascist policies that have been mostly disastrous under both fascists & GOP leadership.

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I disagree. The Govt should sponsor research into these types of science and the private sector develop and deploy.

I have actually PM'd several innovation emerging technology projects, some over 20 million. The Government is good at identifying needs. They know where the gaps are that need to be filled, pretty much in any field. The private sector is OUTSTANDING at solving problems. But, they need to be told what the problem is that we are trying to solve, otherwise the monetization aspect of the private sector overwhelms. Perfect example is safety. All Americans should have the right to safe roads, not just those that can afford it. There is plenty of room for monetization, but the basic level has to be the level ALL Americans should have access. From there, have it. Subscriptions services, equipment with more capabilities, etc... But, the basic problem needs to be better, not perfect. Better.

I know you disagree, but that is what works. Tell Musk the get to Mars, he will figure out how to do, but the Govt provides the parameters and drive to accomplish to meet National needs. This is just for big stuff, overarching. Not everything. Govt should be a force multiplier, one person managing alot meeting societal needs. I would like to see more of the Govt funds put INTO the projects, not cost cutting and administration. Many Govt "leaders" act like their Agency is a private company. The Govt should NOT make a profit. Maybe call it revenue. Private sector does the work and gets paid. By who? The govt? This ain't no charity.

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Government is good at identifying needs. They know where the gaps are that need to be filled, pretty much in any field. The private sector is OUTSTANDING at solving problems. But, they need to be told what the problem is that we are trying to solve, otherwise the monetization aspect of the private sector overwhelms. Perfect example is safety. All Americans should have the right to safe roads, not just those that can afford it. There is plenty of room for monetization, but the basic level has to be the level ALL Americans should have access. Well thought out. Thank you.

I know you disagree, but that is what works. . . . The Govt provides the parameters and drive to accomplish to meet National needs. Yes This is just for big stuff, overarching. Not everything. Govt should be a force multiplier, one person managing a lot meeting societal needs. Unclear to me. I would like to see more of the Govt funds put INTO the projects, not cost cutting and administration Yes

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No, government is not good at identifying needs. Look how much money we've spent on wind & solar, which we do not need at all.

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The need that government identifies is energy. Clean energy. Whatever else the nation is not served well by oil and gas.

Waco1947 said:

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whiterock said:

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Waco1947 said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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historian said:

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And any and all such developments should be completely organic and local. The federal government should not be involved because they screw up everything they touch. Four years of Biden & Harris has proven that in spades but it's really decades of fascist policies that have been mostly disastrous under both fascists & GOP leadership.

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I disagree. The Govt should sponsor research into these types of science and the private sector develop and deploy.

I have actually PM'd several innovation emerging technology projects, some over 20 million. The Government is good at identifying needs. They know where the gaps are that need to be filled, pretty much in any field. The private sector is OUTSTANDING at solving problems. But, they need to be told what the problem is that we are trying to solve, otherwise the monetization aspect of the private sector overwhelms. Perfect example is safety. All Americans should have the right to safe roads, not just those that can afford it. There is plenty of room for monetization, but the basic level has to be the level ALL Americans should have access. From there, have it. Subscriptions services, equipment with more capabilities, etc... But, the basic problem needs to be better, not perfect. Better.

I know you disagree, but that is what works. Tell Musk the get to Mars, he will figure out how to do, but the Govt provides the parameters and drive to accomplish to meet National needs. This is just for big stuff, overarching. Not everything. Govt should be a force multiplier, one person managing alot meeting societal needs. I would like to see more of the Govt funds put INTO the projects, not cost cutting and administration. Many Govt "leaders" act like their Agency is a private company. The Govt should NOT make a profit. Maybe call it revenue. Private sector does the work and gets paid. By who? The govt? This ain't no charity.

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Government is good at identifying needs. They know where the gaps are that need to be filled, pretty much in any field. The private sector is OUTSTANDING at solving problems. But, they need to be told what the problem is that we are trying to solve, otherwise the monetization aspect of the private sector overwhelms. Perfect example is safety. All Americans should have the right to safe roads, not just those that can afford it. There is plenty of room for monetization, but the basic level has to be the level ALL Americans should have access. Well thought out. Thank you.

I know you disagree, but that is what works. . . . The Govt provides the parameters and drive to accomplish to meet National needs. Yes This is just for big stuff, overarching. Not everything. Govt should be a force multiplier, one person managing a lot meeting societal needs. Unclear to me. I would like to see more of the Govt funds put INTO the projects, not cost cutting and administration Yes

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No, government is not good at identifying needs. Look how much money we've spent on wind & solar, which we do not need at all.

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The need that government identifies is energy. Clean energy. Whatever else the nation is not served well by....gas.

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Simply not true about natural gas

[the United States currently holds the top position globally in natural gas production, similar to how Saudi Arabia is the leading producer of oil, making the USA essentially the Saudi Arabia of natural gas]

[Natural gas has many qualities that make it an efficient, relatively clean burning, and economical energy source]