Zendaya is hotter than the face of the sun

nein51 said:

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Zendaya is hotter than the face of the sun

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Man face

OsoCoreyell said:

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nein51 said:

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Zendaya is hotter than the face of the sun

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Man face

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Lol. Just. No.

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— Sensurround (@ShamashAran) May 11, 2025

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I usually do not care about an actors politics when I am watching something. I just want to be entertained.

I do care when the show starts pushing to much real world politics into things or tries too hard to "check every box."

Like for example I tried to watch that 90s show because I liked that 70s show. But the forced nature of the group- every race possible, gay character, etc. didn't seem realistic for the time period. Or even today.

I hate films that are political & cultural propaganda from Hollywood. They are a bunch of perverts & freaks with crazy ideas based on cultural Marxism. Everything about their ideas is Devil and I don't want to see it in entertainment. I don't watch many new movies or TV shows these days!

cowboycwr said:

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historian said:

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pic.twitter.com/cFuD123LRI

— Sensurround (@ShamashAran) May 11, 2025

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I usually do not care about an actors politics when I am watching something. I just want to be entertained.

I do care when the show starts pushing to much real world politics into things or tries too hard to "check every box."

Like for example I tried to watch that 90s show because I liked that 70s show. But the forced nature of the group- every race possible, gay character, etc. didn't seem realistic for the time period. Or even today.

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One of the first things my agent told me many years ago, "DON"T TALK POLITICS!"

Robert DeNiro has ruined quite a few films for me. Every time that I see the Godfather, I think of him slandering the right.

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I hate films that are political & cultural propaganda from Hollywood. They are a bunch of perverts & freaks with crazy ideas based on cultural Marxism. Everything about their ideas is Devil and I don't want to see it in entertainment. I don't watch many new movies or TV shows these days!

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Agreed. There is a lot of stuff I just pass up on because I know it is just going to be some BS show to push leftist agendas.

Newly elected Oakland Democrat mayor says inflation will be fully solved if minimum wage is raised to $50 an hour.

Is she right? pic.twitter.com/ecqYsvOO9N

— Gunther Eagleman™ (@GuntherEagleman) May 13, 2025

Of course she is wrong and is clearly totally ignorant of basic economics. If minimum wage were $50 per hour, those jobs would disappear and those workers would be replaced by automation, robots, etc. It's already happening at fast food places with kiosks for ordering, and that's when minimum wage is $15. Another option is for businesses to close. That's happening on the Left coast where the fascist politicians have artificially raised the minimum wage.

Those workers are not worth $50 per hour and won't be paid it. The businesses cannot afford to pay such wages. If they cannot find a way around it to stay open they will close.

As for the workers who think the govt will get them a reuse, I have one question: Do you want a job at $10 per hour (or whatever they are paying for entry level jobs) or do you want no job at $20, $50, or whatever insane number a corrupt politician is peddling? Realistically, those are the choices.

historian said:

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Of course she is wrong and is clearly totally ignorant of basic economics. If minimum wage were $50 per hour, those jobs would disappear and those workers would be replaced by automation, robots, etc. It's already happening at fast food places with kiosks for ordering, and that's when minimum wage is $15. Another option is for businesses to close. That's happening on the Left coast where the fascist politicians have artificially raised the minimum wage.

Those workers are not worth $50 per hour and won't be paid it. The businesses cannot afford to pay such wages. If they cannot find a way around it to stay open they will close.

As for the workers who think the govt will get them a reuse, I have one question: Do you want a job at $10 per hour (or whatever they are paying for entry level jobs) or do you want no job at $20, $50, or whatever insane number a corrupt politician is peddling? Realistically, those are the choices.

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So very true.

I would add that the replacement of jobs has been happening for years even in areas where minimum wage is not 15 dollars. Even in Waco/Texas.

For example, more stores keep adding self checkouts and reducing cashiers. More fast food places are going to kiosks instead of an employee taking orders. Movie theaters going to kiosks instead of the old ticket window outside or even the person working the concessions doing tickets.

Companies have found they can cut those spots and save money. Unfortunately it means jobs are lost and the consumer seems to rarely see the savings…. But the ceo and upper level execs get a huge bonus for saving the company X amount of money….

Sports Illustrated's new WOKE cover pic.twitter.com/bMku2zdUEc

— The Ben Shapiro Show (@BenShapiroShow) May 18, 2025

Barforama! Ben is completely correct.

cowboycwr said:

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historian said:

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Of course she is wrong and is clearly totally ignorant of basic economics. If minimum wage were $50 per hour, those jobs would disappear and those workers would be replaced by automation, robots, etc. It's already happening at fast food places with kiosks for ordering, and that's when minimum wage is $15. Another option is for businesses to close. That's happening on the Left coast where the fascist politicians have artificially raised the minimum wage.

Those workers are not worth $50 per hour and won't be paid it. The businesses cannot afford to pay such wages. If they cannot find a way around it to stay open they will close.

As for the workers who think the govt will get them a reuse, I have one question: Do you want a job at $10 per hour (or whatever they are paying for entry level jobs) or do you want no job at $20, $50, or whatever insane number a corrupt politician is peddling? Realistically, those are the choices.

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Sorry true.

I would add that the replacement of jobs has been happening for years even in areas where minimum wage is not 15 dollars. Even in Waco/Texas.

For example, more stores keep adding self checkouts and reducing cashiers. More fast food places are going to kiosks instead of an employee taking orders. Movie theaters going to kiosks instead of the old ticket window outside or even the person working the concessions doing tickets.

Companies have found they can cut those spots and save money. Unfortunately it means jobs are lost and the consumer seems to rarely see the savings…. But the ceo and upper level execs get a huge bonus for saving the company X amount of money….

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Interestingly, in many cases, if not most, self-checkouts didn't cut jobs exactly. They allowed existing staff to focus on other things, reducing future hiring needs.

TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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cowboycwr said:

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historian said:

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Of course she is wrong and is clearly totally ignorant of basic economics. If minimum wage were $50 per hour, those jobs would disappear and those workers would be replaced by automation, robots, etc. It's already happening at fast food places with kiosks for ordering, and that's when minimum wage is $15. Another option is for businesses to close. That's happening on the Left coast where the fascist politicians have artificially raised the minimum wage.

Those workers are not worth $50 per hour and won't be paid it. The businesses cannot afford to pay such wages. If they cannot find a way around it to stay open they will close.

As for the workers who think the govt will get them a reuse, I have one question: Do you want a job at $10 per hour (or whatever they are paying for entry level jobs) or do you want no job at $20, $50, or whatever insane number a corrupt politician is peddling? Realistically, those are the choices.

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Sorry true.

I would add that the replacement of jobs has been happening for years even in areas where minimum wage is not 15 dollars. Even in Waco/Texas.

For example, more stores keep adding self checkouts and reducing cashiers. More fast food places are going to kiosks instead of an employee taking orders. Movie theaters going to kiosks instead of the old ticket window outside or even the person working the concessions doing tickets.

Companies have found they can cut those spots and save money. Unfortunately it means jobs are lost and the consumer seems to rarely see the savings…. But the ceo and upper level execs get a huge bonus for saving the company X amount of money….

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Interestingly, in many cases, if not most, self-checkouts didn't cut jobs exactly. They allowed existing staff to focus on other things, reducing future hiring needs.

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And destroyed customer service

FLBear5630 said:

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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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cowboycwr said:

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historian said:

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Of course she is wrong and is clearly totally ignorant of basic economics. If minimum wage were $50 per hour, those jobs would disappear and those workers would be replaced by automation, robots, etc. It's already happening at fast food places with kiosks for ordering, and that's when minimum wage is $15. Another option is for businesses to close. That's happening on the Left coast where the fascist politicians have artificially raised the minimum wage.

Those workers are not worth $50 per hour and won't be paid it. The businesses cannot afford to pay such wages. If they cannot find a way around it to stay open they will close.

As for the workers who think the govt will get them a reuse, I have one question: Do you want a job at $10 per hour (or whatever they are paying for entry level jobs) or do you want no job at $20, $50, or whatever insane number a corrupt politician is peddling? Realistically, those are the choices.

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Sorry true.

I would add that the replacement of jobs has been happening for years even in areas where minimum wage is not 15 dollars. Even in Waco/Texas.

For example, more stores keep adding self checkouts and reducing cashiers. More fast food places are going to kiosks instead of an employee taking orders. Movie theaters going to kiosks instead of the old ticket window outside or even the person working the concessions doing tickets.

Companies have found they can cut those spots and save money. Unfortunately it means jobs are lost and the consumer seems to rarely see the savings…. But the ceo and upper level execs get a huge bonus for saving the company X amount of money….

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Interestingly, in many cases, if not most, self-checkouts didn't cut jobs exactly. They allowed existing staff to focus on other things, reducing future hiring needs.

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And destroyed customer service

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And led to direct theft in some cases so high they had to shutter self checkouts.

Personally, I love self check out, I'm amazed that I can somehow be faster than the person being paid to do that job but I totally understand anyone who hates them.

Assassin said:

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Sports Illustrated's new WOKE cover pic.twitter.com/bMku2zdUEc

— The Ben Shapiro Show (@BenShapiroShow) May 18, 2025

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you NEVER hear men say - "you know what we need on the cover of Mens' Fitness? More fat and ugly guys!"

FLBear5630 said:

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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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cowboycwr said:

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historian said:

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Of course she is wrong and is clearly totally ignorant of basic economics. If minimum wage were $50 per hour, those jobs would disappear and those workers would be replaced by automation, robots, etc. It's already happening at fast food places with kiosks for ordering, and that's when minimum wage is $15. Another option is for businesses to close. That's happening on the Left coast where the fascist politicians have artificially raised the minimum wage.

Those workers are not worth $50 per hour and won't be paid it. The businesses cannot afford to pay such wages. If they cannot find a way around it to stay open they will close.

As for the workers who think the govt will get them a reuse, I have one question: Do you want a job at $10 per hour (or whatever they are paying for entry level jobs) or do you want no job at $20, $50, or whatever insane number a corrupt politician is peddling? Realistically, those are the choices.

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Sorry true.

I would add that the replacement of jobs has been happening for years even in areas where minimum wage is not 15 dollars. Even in Waco/Texas.

For example, more stores keep adding self checkouts and reducing cashiers. More fast food places are going to kiosks instead of an employee taking orders. Movie theaters going to kiosks instead of the old ticket window outside or even the person working the concessions doing tickets.

Companies have found they can cut those spots and save money. Unfortunately it means jobs are lost and the consumer seems to rarely see the savings…. But the ceo and upper level execs get a huge bonus for saving the company X amount of money….

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Interestingly, in many cases, if not most, self-checkouts didn't cut jobs exactly. They allowed existing staff to focus on other things, reducing future hiring needs.

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And destroyed customer service

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Yep, In many if not most cases.

TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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cowboycwr said:

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historian said:

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Of course she is wrong and is clearly totally ignorant of basic economics. If minimum wage were $50 per hour, those jobs would disappear and those workers would be replaced by automation, robots, etc. It's already happening at fast food places with kiosks for ordering, and that's when minimum wage is $15. Another option is for businesses to close. That's happening on the Left coast where the fascist politicians have artificially raised the minimum wage.

Those workers are not worth $50 per hour and won't be paid it. The businesses cannot afford to pay such wages. If they cannot find a way around it to stay open they will close.

As for the workers who think the govt will get them a reuse, I have one question: Do you want a job at $10 per hour (or whatever they are paying for entry level jobs) or do you want no job at $20, $50, or whatever insane number a corrupt politician is peddling? Realistically, those are the choices.

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Sorry true.

I would add that the replacement of jobs has been happening for years even in areas where minimum wage is not 15 dollars. Even in Waco/Texas.

For example, more stores keep adding self checkouts and reducing cashiers. More fast food places are going to kiosks instead of an employee taking orders. Movie theaters going to kiosks instead of the old ticket window outside or even the person working the concessions doing tickets.

Companies have found they can cut those spots and save money. Unfortunately it means jobs are lost and the consumer seems to rarely see the savings…. But the ceo and upper level execs get a huge bonus for saving the company X amount of money….

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Interestingly, in many cases, if not most, self-checkouts didn't cut jobs exactly. They allowed existing staff to focus on other things, reducing future hiring needs.

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And destroyed customer service

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Yep, In many if not most cases.

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It didn't start with self checkouts. This has been an ongoing attempt to reduce labor cost.

When I was 16 or 17 Skagg's came to Waco. I was working in the service department at HEB at the time. Skagg's was the first store in town that had the customer unload their purchases on the belt. We'll we all knew that was crappy service and customers wouldn't put up with it.

Since then we've all seen carry out service in grocery stores be eliminated for all but the infirm and the advancement of self-checkout.

When's the last time anyone had there gas pumped for them? How many times have you gone to a restaurant to build your own burger. These types of staff reduction processes have hit every profession except the oldest one.

LIB,MR BEARS said:

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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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cowboycwr said:

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historian said:

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Of course she is wrong and is clearly totally ignorant of basic economics. If minimum wage were $50 per hour, those jobs would disappear and those workers would be replaced by automation, robots, etc. It's already happening at fast food places with kiosks for ordering, and that's when minimum wage is $15. Another option is for businesses to close. That's happening on the Left coast where the fascist politicians have artificially raised the minimum wage.

Those workers are not worth $50 per hour and won't be paid it. The businesses cannot afford to pay such wages. If they cannot find a way around it to stay open they will close.

As for the workers who think the govt will get them a reuse, I have one question: Do you want a job at $10 per hour (or whatever they are paying for entry level jobs) or do you want no job at $20, $50, or whatever insane number a corrupt politician is peddling? Realistically, those are the choices.

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Sorry true.

I would add that the replacement of jobs has been happening for years even in areas where minimum wage is not 15 dollars. Even in Waco/Texas.

For example, more stores keep adding self checkouts and reducing cashiers. More fast food places are going to kiosks instead of an employee taking orders. Movie theaters going to kiosks instead of the old ticket window outside or even the person working the concessions doing tickets.

Companies have found they can cut those spots and save money. Unfortunately it means jobs are lost and the consumer seems to rarely see the savings…. But the ceo and upper level execs get a huge bonus for saving the company X amount of money….

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Interestingly, in many cases, if not most, self-checkouts didn't cut jobs exactly. They allowed existing staff to focus on other things, reducing future hiring needs.

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And destroyed customer service

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Yep, In many if not most cases.

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It didn't start with self checkouts. This has been an ongoing attempt to reduce labor cost.

When I was 16 or 17 Skagg's came to Waco. I was working in the service department at HEB at the time. Skagg's was the first store in town that had the customer unload their purchases on the belt. We'll we all knew that was crappy service and customers wouldn't put up with it.

Since then we've all seen carry out service in grocery stores be eliminated for all but the infirm and the advancement of self-checkout.

When's the last time anyone had there gas pumped for them? How many times have you gone to a restaurant to build your own burger. These types of staff reduction processes have hit every profession except the oldest one.

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Agree totally. Good words. In my last post, I was going to make a comment about the long term decline of customer service in the pursuit of margins, but I took the easy route and passed on that much typing. Was also going to talk globalism making American workers compete against slave, uneducated labor. But that's a related but separate topic.

LIB,MR BEARS said:

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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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cowboycwr said:

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historian said:

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Of course she is wrong and is clearly totally ignorant of basic economics. If minimum wage were $50 per hour, those jobs would disappear and those workers would be replaced by automation, robots, etc. It's already happening at fast food places with kiosks for ordering, and that's when minimum wage is $15. Another option is for businesses to close. That's happening on the Left coast where the fascist politicians have artificially raised the minimum wage.

Those workers are not worth $50 per hour and won't be paid it. The businesses cannot afford to pay such wages. If they cannot find a way around it to stay open they will close.

As for the workers who think the govt will get them a reuse, I have one question: Do you want a job at $10 per hour (or whatever they are paying for entry level jobs) or do you want no job at $20, $50, or whatever insane number a corrupt politician is peddling? Realistically, those are the choices.

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Sorry true.

I would add that the replacement of jobs has been happening for years even in areas where minimum wage is not 15 dollars. Even in Waco/Texas.

For example, more stores keep adding self checkouts and reducing cashiers. More fast food places are going to kiosks instead of an employee taking orders. Movie theaters going to kiosks instead of the old ticket window outside or even the person working the concessions doing tickets.

Companies have found they can cut those spots and save money. Unfortunately it means jobs are lost and the consumer seems to rarely see the savings…. But the ceo and upper level execs get a huge bonus for saving the company X amount of money….

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Interestingly, in many cases, if not most, self-checkouts didn't cut jobs exactly. They allowed existing staff to focus on other things, reducing future hiring needs.

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And destroyed customer service

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Yep, In many if not most cases.

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It didn't start with self checkouts. This has been an ongoing attempt to reduce labor cost.

When I was 16 or 17 Skagg's came to Waco. I was working in the service department at HEB at the time. Skagg's was the first store in town that had the customer unload their purchases on the belt. We'll we all knew that was crappy service and customers wouldn't put up with it.

Since then we've all seen carry out service in grocery stores be eliminated for all but the infirm and the advancement of self-checkout.

When's the last time anyone had there gas pumped for them? How many times have you gone to a restaurant to build your own burger. These types of staff reduction processes have hit every profession except the oldest one.

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Now that one is being challenged

nein51 said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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cowboycwr said:

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historian said:

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Of course she is wrong and is clearly totally ignorant of basic economics. If minimum wage were $50 per hour, those jobs would disappear and those workers would be replaced by automation, robots, etc. It's already happening at fast food places with kiosks for ordering, and that's when minimum wage is $15. Another option is for businesses to close. That's happening on the Left coast where the fascist politicians have artificially raised the minimum wage.

Those workers are not worth $50 per hour and won't be paid it. The businesses cannot afford to pay such wages. If they cannot find a way around it to stay open they will close.

As for the workers who think the govt will get them a reuse, I have one question: Do you want a job at $10 per hour (or whatever they are paying for entry level jobs) or do you want no job at $20, $50, or whatever insane number a corrupt politician is peddling? Realistically, those are the choices.

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Sorry true.

I would add that the replacement of jobs has been happening for years even in areas where minimum wage is not 15 dollars. Even in Waco/Texas.

For example, more stores keep adding self checkouts and reducing cashiers. More fast food places are going to kiosks instead of an employee taking orders. Movie theaters going to kiosks instead of the old ticket window outside or even the person working the concessions doing tickets.

Companies have found they can cut those spots and save money. Unfortunately it means jobs are lost and the consumer seems to rarely see the savings…. But the ceo and upper level execs get a huge bonus for saving the company X amount of money….

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Interestingly, in many cases, if not most, self-checkouts didn't cut jobs exactly. They allowed existing staff to focus on other things, reducing future hiring needs.

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And destroyed customer service

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And led to direct theft in some cases so high they had to shutter self checkouts.

Personally, I love self check out, I'm amazed that I can somehow be faster than the person being paid to do that job but I totally understand anyone who hates them.

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I like self check out too, but mainly because I often go to a store and buy only a few items. It helps that HEB is around the corner and most other stores I shop are nearby. My experience for it being speedier is that usually there are limited numbers of registers open with a person working the register so they all tend to have a line, including one or more customers with a full basket. That takes time. Self checkouts at the grocery store or Walmart, however, have multiple registers and one employee. There rarely is a line and when there is one, it moves quickly.

Amazon Prime with free next day delivery adds a whole new dynamic.

LIB,MR BEARS said:

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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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cowboycwr said:

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historian said:

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Of course she is wrong and is clearly totally ignorant of basic economics. If minimum wage were $50 per hour, those jobs would disappear and those workers would be replaced by automation, robots, etc. It's already happening at fast food places with kiosks for ordering, and that's when minimum wage is $15. Another option is for businesses to close. That's happening on the Left coast where the fascist politicians have artificially raised the minimum wage.

Those workers are not worth $50 per hour and won't be paid it. The businesses cannot afford to pay such wages. If they cannot find a way around it to stay open they will close.

As for the workers who think the govt will get them a reuse, I have one question: Do you want a job at $10 per hour (or whatever they are paying for entry level jobs) or do you want no job at $20, $50, or whatever insane number a corrupt politician is peddling? Realistically, those are the choices.

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Sorry true.

I would add that the replacement of jobs has been happening for years even in areas where minimum wage is not 15 dollars. Even in Waco/Texas.

For example, more stores keep adding self checkouts and reducing cashiers. More fast food places are going to kiosks instead of an employee taking orders. Movie theaters going to kiosks instead of the old ticket window outside or even the person working the concessions doing tickets.

Companies have found they can cut those spots and save money. Unfortunately it means jobs are lost and the consumer seems to rarely see the savings…. But the ceo and upper level execs get a huge bonus for saving the company X amount of money….

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Interestingly, in many cases, if not most, self-checkouts didn't cut jobs exactly. They allowed existing staff to focus on other things, reducing future hiring needs.

---

And destroyed customer service

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Yep, In many if not most cases.

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It didn't start with self checkouts. This has been an ongoing attempt to reduce labor cost.

When I was 16 or 17 Skagg's came to Waco. I was working in the service department at HEB at the time. Skagg's was the first store in town that had the customer unload their purchases on the belt. We'll we all knew that was crappy service and customers wouldn't put up with it.

Since then we've all seen carry out service in grocery stores be eliminated for all but the infirm and the advancement of self-checkout.

When's the last time anyone had there gas pumped for them? How many times have you gone to a restaurant to build your own burger. These types of staff reduction processes have hit every profession except the oldest one.

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Dad had a gas station growing up. Full serve on the inner pumps and 4 bays. Learned more about time management, arithimatic (making change) and custmomer service. We had people come because they trusted us, many knew us from Church. Wasn't a night I worked that a friend of mine's car wasn't on the rack in the air. Or used the wrecker to tow them in. It was a different time, we knew our customers and helped out their kids. I can't count the number of cars we checked out for some guy buying his kid a car, no charge.

All that changed. I blame it on when the head of Corporations stopped coming from Operations or Product development ( the guys that knew the business) and moved to Attorneys and Finance guys. Metrics changed from service or product related to Wall St related. The rating agencies mean more than how you do what you do. I see it today. It is about the rating agencies, more than the customer experience. They preach customer experience until it effects the rating metrics. That is where you can tell priorities, are you willing to take a hit on the Bond rating to provide the service your customer wants? Today, the answer is no. Too much emphasis on Wall St and Exec Bonuses versus quality. Low bid is not how you build a quality product.

Thanks for the first hand perspective. I never thought about it that way but it makes a lot of sense.

FLBear5630 said:

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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cowboycwr said:

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historian said:

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Of course she is wrong and is clearly totally ignorant of basic economics. If minimum wage were $50 per hour, those jobs would disappear and those workers would be replaced by automation, robots, etc. It's already happening at fast food places with kiosks for ordering, and that's when minimum wage is $15. Another option is for businesses to close. That's happening on the Left coast where the fascist politicians have artificially raised the minimum wage.

Those workers are not worth $50 per hour and won't be paid it. The businesses cannot afford to pay such wages. If they cannot find a way around it to stay open they will close.

As for the workers who think the govt will get them a reuse, I have one question: Do you want a job at $10 per hour (or whatever they are paying for entry level jobs) or do you want no job at $20, $50, or whatever insane number a corrupt politician is peddling? Realistically, those are the choices.

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Sorry true.

I would add that the replacement of jobs has been happening for years even in areas where minimum wage is not 15 dollars. Even in Waco/Texas.

For example, more stores keep adding self checkouts and reducing cashiers. More fast food places are going to kiosks instead of an employee taking orders. Movie theaters going to kiosks instead of the old ticket window outside or even the person working the concessions doing tickets.

Companies have found they can cut those spots and save money. Unfortunately it means jobs are lost and the consumer seems to rarely see the savings…. But the ceo and upper level execs get a huge bonus for saving the company X amount of money….

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Interestingly, in many cases, if not most, self-checkouts didn't cut jobs exactly. They allowed existing staff to focus on other things, reducing future hiring needs.

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And destroyed customer service

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Yep, In many if not most cases.

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It didn't start with self checkouts. This has been an ongoing attempt to reduce labor cost.

When I was 16 or 17 Skagg's came to Waco. I was working in the service department at HEB at the time. Skagg's was the first store in town that had the customer unload their purchases on the belt. We'll we all knew that was crappy service and customers wouldn't put up with it.

Since then we've all seen carry out service in grocery stores be eliminated for all but the infirm and the advancement of self-checkout.

When's the last time anyone had there gas pumped for them? How many times have you gone to a restaurant to build your own burger. These types of staff reduction processes have hit every profession except the oldest one.

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Dad had a gas station growing up. Full serve on the inner pumps and 4 bays. Learned more about time management, arithimatic (making change) and custmomer service. We had people come because they trusted us, many knew us from Church. Wasn't a night I worked that a friend of mine's car wasn't on the rack in the air. Or used the wrecker to tow them in. It was a different time, we knew our customers and helped out their kids. I can't count the number of cars we checked out for some guy buying his kid a car, no charge.

All that changed. I blame it on when the head of Corporations stopped coming from Operations or Product development ( the guys that knew the business) and moved to Attorneys and Finance guys. Metrics changed from service or product related to Wall St related. The rating agencies mean more than how you do what you do. I see it today. It is about the rating agencies, more than the customer experience. They preach customer experience until it effects the rating metrics. That is where you can tell priorities, are you willing to take a hit on the Bond rating to provide the service your customer wants? Today, the answer is no. Too much emphasis on Wall St and Exec Bonuses versus quality. Low bid is not how you build a quality product.

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We had a Gulf Station, nowhere big as your but we finally dropped the Gulf part of it and just used it as a shop for our equipment rental business. Gulf stop just got to be too much You may remember it. A1 Waco Rental on 25th, just south of the 25 St Theater.

A hard foul in the WNBA leads to a call for racial healing

.@McNuttMonica and @chiney share a message after Caitlin Clark's flagrant foul on Angel Reese in Sky-Fever. pic.twitter.com/ND4sLCexEF

— Get Up (@GetUpESPN) May 19, 2025

Assassin said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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cowboycwr said:

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historian said:

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Of course she is wrong and is clearly totally ignorant of basic economics. If minimum wage were $50 per hour, those jobs would disappear and those workers would be replaced by automation, robots, etc. It's already happening at fast food places with kiosks for ordering, and that's when minimum wage is $15. Another option is for businesses to close. That's happening on the Left coast where the fascist politicians have artificially raised the minimum wage.

Those workers are not worth $50 per hour and won't be paid it. The businesses cannot afford to pay such wages. If they cannot find a way around it to stay open they will close.

As for the workers who think the govt will get them a reuse, I have one question: Do you want a job at $10 per hour (or whatever they are paying for entry level jobs) or do you want no job at $20, $50, or whatever insane number a corrupt politician is peddling? Realistically, those are the choices.

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Sorry true.

I would add that the replacement of jobs has been happening for years even in areas where minimum wage is not 15 dollars. Even in Waco/Texas.

For example, more stores keep adding self checkouts and reducing cashiers. More fast food places are going to kiosks instead of an employee taking orders. Movie theaters going to kiosks instead of the old ticket window outside or even the person working the concessions doing tickets.

Companies have found they can cut those spots and save money. Unfortunately it means jobs are lost and the consumer seems to rarely see the savings…. But the ceo and upper level execs get a huge bonus for saving the company X amount of money….

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Interestingly, in many cases, if not most, self-checkouts didn't cut jobs exactly. They allowed existing staff to focus on other things, reducing future hiring needs.

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And destroyed customer service

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Yep, In many if not most cases.

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It didn't start with self checkouts. This has been an ongoing attempt to reduce labor cost.

When I was 16 or 17 Skagg's came to Waco. I was working in the service department at HEB at the time. Skagg's was the first store in town that had the customer unload their purchases on the belt. We'll we all knew that was crappy service and customers wouldn't put up with it.

Since then we've all seen carry out service in grocery stores be eliminated for all but the infirm and the advancement of self-checkout.

When's the last time anyone had there gas pumped for them? How many times have you gone to a restaurant to build your own burger. These types of staff reduction processes have hit every profession except the oldest one.

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Dad had a gas station growing up. Full serve on the inner pumps and 4 bays. Learned more about time management, arithimatic (making change) and custmomer service. We had people come because they trusted us, many knew us from Church. Wasn't a night I worked that a friend of mine's car wasn't on the rack in the air. Or used the wrecker to tow them in. It was a different time, we knew our customers and helped out their kids. I can't count the number of cars we checked out for some guy buying his kid a car, no charge.

All that changed. I blame it on when the head of Corporations stopped coming from Operations or Product development ( the guys that knew the business) and moved to Attorneys and Finance guys. Metrics changed from service or product related to Wall St related. The rating agencies mean more than how you do what you do. I see it today. It is about the rating agencies, more than the customer experience. They preach customer experience until it effects the rating metrics. That is where you can tell priorities, are you willing to take a hit on the Bond rating to provide the service your customer wants? Today, the answer is no. Too much emphasis on Wall St and Exec Bonuses versus quality. Low bid is not how you build a quality product.

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We had a Gulf Station, nowhere big as your but we finally dropped the Gulf part of it and just used it as a shop for our equipment rental business. Gulf stop just got to be too much You may remember it. A1 Waco Rental on 25th, just south of the 25 St Theater.

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Sounds like you were about the same time period. They were moving from repairs to Car Washes, Conv Stores and rental trucks.

Ours was in Clearwater, FL on US 19. I learned a lot, especially to hate being called the owners son... I learned a lot about cars and the business to shake that lable!! You could make a good living, but the mechanics and labor were frustrating.

TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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cowboycwr said:

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historian said:

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Of course she is wrong and is clearly totally ignorant of basic economics. If minimum wage were $50 per hour, those jobs would disappear and those workers would be replaced by automation, robots, etc. It's already happening at fast food places with kiosks for ordering, and that's when minimum wage is $15. Another option is for businesses to close. That's happening on the Left coast where the fascist politicians have artificially raised the minimum wage.

Those workers are not worth $50 per hour and won't be paid it. The businesses cannot afford to pay such wages. If they cannot find a way around it to stay open they will close.

As for the workers who think the govt will get them a reuse, I have one question: Do you want a job at $10 per hour (or whatever they are paying for entry level jobs) or do you want no job at $20, $50, or whatever insane number a corrupt politician is peddling? Realistically, those are the choices.

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Sorry true.

I would add that the replacement of jobs has been happening for years even in areas where minimum wage is not 15 dollars. Even in Waco/Texas.

For example, more stores keep adding self checkouts and reducing cashiers. More fast food places are going to kiosks instead of an employee taking orders. Movie theaters going to kiosks instead of the old ticket window outside or even the person working the concessions doing tickets.

Companies have found they can cut those spots and save money. Unfortunately it means jobs are lost and the consumer seems to rarely see the savings…. But the ceo and upper level execs get a huge bonus for saving the company X amount of money….

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Interestingly, in many cases, if not most, self-checkouts didn't cut jobs exactly. They allowed existing staff to focus on other things, reducing future hiring needs.

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With the explosion of curbside at just about every type of store self checkout has allowed for those employees who used to be cashiers to now be used in that process as shoppers or the ones delivering to the car.

I have been told (don't know if it is true) that HEB employs more people due to curbside than they did pre covid when people still shopped in store and they had 15 checkers with 10 baggers. I could believe that though. Last time I was in an HEB I probably saw at least 20 employees shopping for curbside.

Makes complete sense. I always order online. My wife usually orders online. Less likely for me to impulse buy snacks and Reese's.

LIB,MR BEARS said:

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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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cowboycwr said:

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historian said:

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Of course she is wrong and is clearly totally ignorant of basic economics. If minimum wage were $50 per hour, those jobs would disappear and those workers would be replaced by automation, robots, etc. It's already happening at fast food places with kiosks for ordering, and that's when minimum wage is $15. Another option is for businesses to close. That's happening on the Left coast where the fascist politicians have artificially raised the minimum wage.

Those workers are not worth $50 per hour and won't be paid it. The businesses cannot afford to pay such wages. If they cannot find a way around it to stay open they will close.

As for the workers who think the govt will get them a reuse, I have one question: Do you want a job at $10 per hour (or whatever they are paying for entry level jobs) or do you want no job at $20, $50, or whatever insane number a corrupt politician is peddling? Realistically, those are the choices.

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Sorry true.

I would add that the replacement of jobs has been happening for years even in areas where minimum wage is not 15 dollars. Even in Waco/Texas.

For example, more stores keep adding self checkouts and reducing cashiers. More fast food places are going to kiosks instead of an employee taking orders. Movie theaters going to kiosks instead of the old ticket window outside or even the person working the concessions doing tickets.

Companies have found they can cut those spots and save money. Unfortunately it means jobs are lost and the consumer seems to rarely see the savings…. But the ceo and upper level execs get a huge bonus for saving the company X amount of money….

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Interestingly, in many cases, if not most, self-checkouts didn't cut jobs exactly. They allowed existing staff to focus on other things, reducing future hiring needs.

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And destroyed customer service

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Yep, In many if not most cases.

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It didn't start with self checkouts. This has been an ongoing attempt to reduce labor cost.

When I was 16 or 17 Skagg's came to Waco. I was working in the service department at HEB at the time. Skagg's was the first store in town that had the customer unload their purchases on the belt. We'll we all knew that was crappy service and customers wouldn't put up with it.

Since then we've all seen carry out service in grocery stores be eliminated for all but the infirm and the advancement of self-checkout.

When's the last time anyone had there gas pumped for them? How many times have you gone to a restaurant to build your own burger. These types of staff reduction processes have hit every profession except the oldest one.

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So true.

It has been all about cutting costs.

Just recently my wife and I watched the movie The Founder about McDonald's.

That would be a prime example. It was all about how to speed up the drive in process that was popular at the time. Which led to the assembly line food prep process and food sitting under heat lamps.

It wasn't about improving customer service and experience. It was about getting more orders meaning more money.

Sometime in the 80s and 90s more businesses focused on this concept and customer service has slowly died as a result with it rapidly happening in the 2000s as just about every company now focuses on it.

cowboycwr said:

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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cowboycwr said:

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historian said:

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Of course she is wrong and is clearly totally ignorant of basic economics. If minimum wage were $50 per hour, those jobs would disappear and those workers would be replaced by automation, robots, etc. It's already happening at fast food places with kiosks for ordering, and that's when minimum wage is $15. Another option is for businesses to close. That's happening on the Left coast where the fascist politicians have artificially raised the minimum wage.

Those workers are not worth $50 per hour and won't be paid it. The businesses cannot afford to pay such wages. If they cannot find a way around it to stay open they will close.

As for the workers who think the govt will get them a reuse, I have one question: Do you want a job at $10 per hour (or whatever they are paying for entry level jobs) or do you want no job at $20, $50, or whatever insane number a corrupt politician is peddling? Realistically, those are the choices.

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Sorry true.

I would add that the replacement of jobs has been happening for years even in areas where minimum wage is not 15 dollars. Even in Waco/Texas.

For example, more stores keep adding self checkouts and reducing cashiers. More fast food places are going to kiosks instead of an employee taking orders. Movie theaters going to kiosks instead of the old ticket window outside or even the person working the concessions doing tickets.

Companies have found they can cut those spots and save money. Unfortunately it means jobs are lost and the consumer seems to rarely see the savings…. But the ceo and upper level execs get a huge bonus for saving the company X amount of money….

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Interestingly, in many cases, if not most, self-checkouts didn't cut jobs exactly. They allowed existing staff to focus on other things, reducing future hiring needs.

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And destroyed customer service

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Yep, In many if not most cases.

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It didn't start with self checkouts. This has been an ongoing attempt to reduce labor cost.

When I was 16 or 17 Skagg's came to Waco. I was working in the service department at HEB at the time. Skagg's was the first store in town that had the customer unload their purchases on the belt. We'll we all knew that was crappy service and customers wouldn't put up with it.

Since then we've all seen carry out service in grocery stores be eliminated for all but the infirm and the advancement of self-checkout.

When's the last time anyone had there gas pumped for them? How many times have you gone to a restaurant to build your own burger. These types of staff reduction processes have hit every profession except the oldest one.

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So true.

It has been all about cutting costs.

Just recently my wife and I watched the movie The Founder about McDonald's.

That would be a prime example. It was all about how to speed up the drive in process that was popular at the time. Which led to the assembly line food prep process and food sitting under heat lamps.

It wasn't about improving customer service and experience. It was about getting more orders meaning more money.

Sometime in the 80s and 90s more businesses focused on this concept and customer service has slowly died as a result with it rapidly happening in the 2000s as just about every company now focuses on it.

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"Focus obsessively on the customer."
-Jeff Bezos

Curbside was a service no brick & mortar retailer would ever WANT to offer. They want the customer IN the store. But as the internet matured, eCommerce retailers started increasingly stealing market share from brick & mortar to varying degrees all across the country. Many of the better B&M business models realized that it was better do retain customers (even via suboptimal format) than let them evaporate away, and started launching curbside services. Then Covid hit, and B&M models were at existential risk of losing catastrophic market share to eCommerce. The ones that could hugged the curbside cactus, many adding home delivery or next day shipping to their curbside programs. The process required substantial upgrades to website capability and a new service business category sprang into life = to offer platforms for smaller retailers to get into "e-tail." And here we are.

Covid didn't cause that process. It accelerated it. It forced retailers to realize that it was better to do business with your customer online than not at all. So it's not a happy story. Not having customers inside the store depresses average ticket sales. Makes it much more difficult to launch new products/brands. And there's not necessarily a lot of cost savings. Retailers had to make investments in software, dedicate resource to order fulfillment. So yes, jobs have been lost to self-checkout. But jobs have been created in packaging and delivery operations, loss-prevention departments, etc..... None of that transformed profitability for retailers.

whiterock said:

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cowboycwr said:

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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cowboycwr said:

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historian said:

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Of course she is wrong and is clearly totally ignorant of basic economics. If minimum wage were $50 per hour, those jobs would disappear and those workers would be replaced by automation, robots, etc. It's already happening at fast food places with kiosks for ordering, and that's when minimum wage is $15. Another option is for businesses to close. That's happening on the Left coast where the fascist politicians have artificially raised the minimum wage.

Those workers are not worth $50 per hour and won't be paid it. The businesses cannot afford to pay such wages. If they cannot find a way around it to stay open they will close.

As for the workers who think the govt will get them a reuse, I have one question: Do you want a job at $10 per hour (or whatever they are paying for entry level jobs) or do you want no job at $20, $50, or whatever insane number a corrupt politician is peddling? Realistically, those are the choices.

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Sorry true.

I would add that the replacement of jobs has been happening for years even in areas where minimum wage is not 15 dollars. Even in Waco/Texas.

For example, more stores keep adding self checkouts and reducing cashiers. More fast food places are going to kiosks instead of an employee taking orders. Movie theaters going to kiosks instead of the old ticket window outside or even the person working the concessions doing tickets.

Companies have found they can cut those spots and save money. Unfortunately it means jobs are lost and the consumer seems to rarely see the savings…. But the ceo and upper level execs get a huge bonus for saving the company X amount of money….

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Interestingly, in many cases, if not most, self-checkouts didn't cut jobs exactly. They allowed existing staff to focus on other things, reducing future hiring needs.

---

And destroyed customer service

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Yep, In many if not most cases.

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It didn't start with self checkouts. This has been an ongoing attempt to reduce labor cost.

When I was 16 or 17 Skagg's came to Waco. I was working in the service department at HEB at the time. Skagg's was the first store in town that had the customer unload their purchases on the belt. We'll we all knew that was crappy service and customers wouldn't put up with it.

Since then we've all seen carry out service in grocery stores be eliminated for all but the infirm and the advancement of self-checkout.

When's the last time anyone had there gas pumped for them? How many times have you gone to a restaurant to build your own burger. These types of staff reduction processes have hit every profession except the oldest one.

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So true.

It has been all about cutting costs.

Just recently my wife and I watched the movie The Founder about McDonald's.

That would be a prime example. It was all about how to speed up the drive in process that was popular at the time. Which led to the assembly line food prep process and food sitting under heat lamps.

It wasn't about improving customer service and experience. It was about getting more orders meaning more money.

Sometime in the 80s and 90s more businesses focused on this concept and customer service has slowly died as a result with it rapidly happening in the 2000s as just about every company now focuses on it.

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"Focus obsessively on the customer."
-Jeff Bezos

Curbside was a service no brick & mortar retailer would ever WANT to offer. They want the customer IN the store. But as the internet matured, eCommerce retailers started increasingly stealing market share from brick & mortar to varying degrees all across the country. Many of the better B&M business models realized that it was better do retain customers (even via suboptimal format) than let them evaporate away, and started launching curbside services. Then Covid hit, and B&M models were at existential risk of losing catastrophic market share to eCommerce. The ones that could hugged the curbside cactus, many adding home delivery or next day shipping to their curbside programs. The process required substantial upgrades to website capability and a new service business category sprang into life = to offer platforms for smaller retailers to get into "e-tail." And here we are.

Covid didn't cause that process. It accelerated it. It forced retailers to realize that it was better to do business with your customer online than not at all. So it's not a happy story. Not having customers inside the store depresses average ticket sales. Makes it much more difficult to launch new products/brands. And there's not necessarily a lot of cost savings. Retailers had to make investments in software, dedicate resource to order fulfillment. So yes, jobs have been lost to self-checkout. But jobs have been created in packaging and delivery operations, loss-prevention departments, etc..... None of that transformed profitability for retailers.

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I have always chuckled at the fact that grocery stores used to do home delivery 50 years ago.

Still do in places like NYC

cowboycwr said:

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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cowboycwr said:

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historian said:

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Of course she is wrong and is clearly totally ignorant of basic economics. If minimum wage were $50 per hour, those jobs would disappear and those workers would be replaced by automation, robots, etc. It's already happening at fast food places with kiosks for ordering, and that's when minimum wage is $15. Another option is for businesses to close. That's happening on the Left coast where the fascist politicians have artificially raised the minimum wage.

Those workers are not worth $50 per hour and won't be paid it. The businesses cannot afford to pay such wages. If they cannot find a way around it to stay open they will close.

As for the workers who think the govt will get them a reuse, I have one question: Do you want a job at $10 per hour (or whatever they are paying for entry level jobs) or do you want no job at $20, $50, or whatever insane number a corrupt politician is peddling? Realistically, those are the choices.

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Sorry true.

I would add that the replacement of jobs has been happening for years even in areas where minimum wage is not 15 dollars. Even in Waco/Texas.

For example, more stores keep adding self checkouts and reducing cashiers. More fast food places are going to kiosks instead of an employee taking orders. Movie theaters going to kiosks instead of the old ticket window outside or even the person working the concessions doing tickets.

Companies have found they can cut those spots and save money. Unfortunately it means jobs are lost and the consumer seems to rarely see the savings…. But the ceo and upper level execs get a huge bonus for saving the company X amount of money….

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Interestingly, in many cases, if not most, self-checkouts didn't cut jobs exactly. They allowed existing staff to focus on other things, reducing future hiring needs.

---

And destroyed customer service

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Yep, In many if not most cases.

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It didn't start with self checkouts. This has been an ongoing attempt to reduce labor cost.

When I was 16 or 17 Skagg's came to Waco. I was working in the service department at HEB at the time. Skagg's was the first store in town that had the customer unload their purchases on the belt. We'll we all knew that was crappy service and customers wouldn't put up with it.

Since then we've all seen carry out service in grocery stores be eliminated for all but the infirm and the advancement of self-checkout.

When's the last time anyone had there gas pumped for them? How many times have you gone to a restaurant to build your own burger. These types of staff reduction processes have hit every profession except the oldest one.

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So true.

It has been all about cutting costs.

Just recently my wife and I watched the movie The Founder about McDonald's.

That would be a prime example. It was all about how to speed up the drive in process that was popular at the time. Which led to the assembly line food prep process and food sitting under heat lamps.

It wasn't about improving customer service and experience. It was about getting more orders meaning more money.

Sometime in the 80s and 90s more businesses focused on this concept and customer service has slowly died as a result with it rapidly happening in the 2000s as just about every company now focuses on it.

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Well, consumers exert a market force - demand. If they don't want to buy from someone because the service sucks, they can opt out. However, if they can live with a lower level of service in exchange for a lower price, then they can make that choice. If someone in the market thinks that customers will value better service enough to pay a slightly higher price, you can bet someone will do that. Service level is just another good being sold along with the food/merchandise.

Yes, in the past service levels may generally have been higher. But on a time-adjusted basis, prices were also higher. People have generally opted for lower prices and lower service levels. The market speaks.

nein51 said:

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Still do in places like NYC

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After I got out of the hospital, I couldn't walk or drive for nearly a year. Used Tom Thumb to deliver to my house

TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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Makes complete sense. I always order online. My wife usually orders online. Less likely for me to impulse buy snacks and Reese's.

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More Reese's for me