Waco1947 said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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Waco1947 said:

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He will never be built because liberals can't build anything anymore. Not a valid opinion

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Your side failed to build highspeed rail in California (a one party controlled Leftist State)

You have total control of California

And yet the project is $100 billion over budget and no end point in sight.

It might never be finished at all

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Anecdotal at best

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No…factual

The most progressive State in the Union failed to build high speed rail

Redbrickbear said:

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Waco1947 said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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Waco1947 said:

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He will never be built because liberals can't build anything anymore. Not a valid opinion

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Your side failed to build highspeed rail in California (a one party controlled Leftist State)

You have total control of California

And yet the project is $100 billion over budget and no end point in sight.

It might never be finished at all

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Anecdotal at best

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No…factual

The most progressive State in the Union failed to build high speed rail Anecdotal because you only cite one state.

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Waco1947 said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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Waco1947 said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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Waco1947 said:

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He will never be built because liberals can't build anything anymore. Not a valid opinion

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Your side failed to build highspeed rail in California (a one party controlled Leftist State)

You have total control of California

And yet the project is $100 billion over budget and no end point in sight.

It might never be finished at all

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Anecdotal at best

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No…factual

The most progressive State in the Union failed to build high speed rail Anecdotal because you only cite one state.

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How many States have attempted high speed rail?

In this case its relevant data....you just don't like it

Waco1947 said:

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He will never be built because liberals can't build anything anymore. Not a valid opinion

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Agreed. Liberals built Epstein Island.

Harrison Bergeron said:

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Waco1947 said:

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He will never be built because liberals can't build anything anymore. Not a valid opinion

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Agreed. Liberals built Epstein Island Hearsay and an invalid opinion bereft of facts.

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Waco1947 said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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Waco1947 said:

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He will never be built because liberals can't build anything anymore. Not a valid opinion

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Epstein Island Hearsay and an invalid opinion bereft of facts.

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No....they were raping women on Epstien's island

And its a fact to this day that no one has been arrested who was in his client list

Redbrickbear said:

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Waco1947 said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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Waco1947 said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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Waco1947 said:

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He will never be built because liberals can't build anything anymore. Not a valid opinion

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Your side failed to build highspeed rail in California (a one party controlled Leftist State)

You have total control of California

And yet the project is $100 billion over budget and no end point in sight.

It might never be finished at all

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Anecdotal at best

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No…factual

The most progressive State in the Union failed to build high speed rail Anecdotal because you only cite one state.

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How many States have attempted high speed rail?

In this case its relevant data....you just don't like it

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Many rejected the money because it was only for the Capital expenses. OMA is what was going to be the killer. It cannot sustain itself, which is why it hasn't taken off in the US. Everywhere else it is Govt subsidized, Germany, Denmark, Japan, SIngapore all have great rail, but the Govt pays for it.

Waco1947 said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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Waco1947 said:

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He will never be built because liberals can't build anything anymore. Not a valid opinion

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Agreed. Liberals built Epstein Island Hearsay and an invalid opinion bereft of facts.

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Stop listening to the fabrications on CNN 47. You will feel much differently when you hear the truth

High speed rail will never work because of so many factors. Cost, way too many small roads to cross that would need crossings or to be elevated, way too much wildlife, court fights over land, issue with routes. And that last one is the biggest. Especially between San Antonio and DFW. Every little area wants a stop (Austin, Killeen/Fort Hood, Waco) and then does it go to Dallas or Fort Worth or both or a third point in between.

Then wherever it goes in a city there is the issue of building it through the city. You just can't have a train going 100, 200+ mph going through a city, neighborhoods, etc. even if fenced off or elevated.

Years ago when the tans Texas corridor was proposed the stop for Waco was proposed to be west of Mcgregor. That is not in Waco. Not convenient and would drop you off in the middle of no where with no rental car place around.

I'm sure this project would hit all those same problems.

France's national railway company pulled out of bidding for California's high-speed rail contract in 2011.

They concluded that the state was terrible to work in and they preferred to go somewhere that worked better.

They went to North Africa. https://t.co/8pbbtLGEnl pic.twitter.com/bbOGfgXC7l

— Crémieux (@cremieuxrecueil) December 1, 2024

Typical socialist efficiency!

cowboycwr said:

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High speed rail will never work because of so many factors. Cost, way too many small roads to cross that would need crossings or to be elevated, way too much wildlife, court fights over land, issue with routes. And that last one is the biggest. Especially between San Antonio and DFW. Every little area wants a stop (Austin, Killeen/Fort Hood, Waco) and then does it go to Dallas or Fort Worth or both or a third point in between.

Then wherever it goes in a city there is the issue of building it through the city. You just can't have a train going 100, 200+ mph going through a city, neighborhoods, etc. even if fenced off or elevated.

Years ago when the tans Texas corridor was proposed the stop for Waco was proposed to be west of Mcgregor. That is not in Waco. Not convenient and would drop you off in the middle of no where with no rental car place around.

I'm sure this project would hit all those same problems.

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Ever deal with the RR? Biggest pain In the ass in the world. Want to talk Govt waste, look up how much it cost for flaggers on a project involving the RR. They drive cost up dramatically.

"$100 billion over budget" is a Looney Tunes kind of phrase, you expect it to be something a cartoon duck says in a bit about constructing a suspension bridge to the moon https://t.co/pid8FK6Pmx

— Mason (@webdevMason) December 1, 2024

nein51 said:

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cowboycwr said:

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High speed rail will never work because of so many factors. Cost, way too many small roads to cross that would need crossings or to be elevated, way too much wildlife, court fights over land, issue with routes. And that last one is the biggest. Especially between San Antonio and DFW. Every little area wants a stop (Austin, Killeen/Fort Hood, Waco) and then does it go to Dallas or Fort Worth or both or a third point in between.

Then wherever it goes in a city there is the issue of building it through the city. You just can't have a train going 100, 200+ mph going through a city, neighborhoods, etc. even if fenced off or elevated.

Years ago when the tans Texas corridor was proposed the stop for Waco was proposed to be west of Mcgregor. That is not in Waco. Not convenient and would drop you off in the middle of no where with no rental car place around.

I'm sure this project would hit all those same problems.

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The amount of money necessary to acquire the land would be insane. To your point it also can't really terminate in Dallas or Ft Worth it would have to be on the outskirts somewhere but the outskirts of either city is 30 freaking miles.

You could probably take some of the land under imminent domain but that's wildly unpopular and would tie you up in court for eternity.

It's one of those ideas that's not terrible on the surface but the reality is that it's a non starter and never going to happen.

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Yes exactly. The land would be hard to get, expensive and tie up courts for years when people fight the imminent domain.

And ending outside of any of the cities is not a valid option, especially when it means it would have to end outside of not just Fort Worth or Dallas but all the outlying cities as well until you get to one that has enough viable land nearby but then you would basically end up in somewhere like Alvarado, Weatherford, Denton, McKinney, waxachie or something like that.

cowboycwr said:

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nein51 said:

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cowboycwr said:

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High speed rail will never work because of so many factors. Cost, way too many small roads to cross that would need crossings or to be elevated, way too much wildlife, court fights over land, issue with routes. And that last one is the biggest. Especially between San Antonio and DFW. Every little area wants a stop (Austin, Killeen/Fort Hood, Waco) and then does it go to Dallas or Fort Worth or both or a third point in between.

Then wherever it goes in a city there is the issue of building it through the city. You just can't have a train going 100, 200+ mph going through a city, neighborhoods, etc. even if fenced off or elevated.

Years ago when the tans Texas corridor was proposed the stop for Waco was proposed to be west of Mcgregor. That is not in Waco. Not convenient and would drop you off in the middle of no where with no rental car place around.

I'm sure this project would hit all those same problems.

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The amount of money necessary to acquire the land would be insane. To your point it also can't really terminate in Dallas or Ft Worth it would have to be on the outskirts somewhere but the outskirts of either city is 30 freaking miles.

You could probably take some of the land under imminent domain but that's wildly unpopular and would tie you up in court for eternity.

It's one of those ideas that's not terrible on the surface but the reality is that it's a non starter and never going to happen.

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Yes exactly. The land would be hard to get, expensive and tie up courts for years when people fight the imminent domain.

And ending outside of any of the cities is not a valid option, especially when it means it would have to end outside of not just Fort Worth or Dallas but all the outlying cities as well until you get to one that has enough viable land nearby but then you would basically end up in somewhere like Alvarado, Weatherford, Denton, McKinney, waxachie or something like that.

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Yep

People act like we are Germany and started building up our rail lines 140 years ago (plus had two world wars against enemies east and west so it became a national priority)


Texas and the USA are just not that kind of place

Redbrickbear said:

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cowboycwr said:

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nein51 said:

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cowboycwr said:

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High speed rail will never work because of so many factors. Cost, way too many small roads to cross that would need crossings or to be elevated, way too much wildlife, court fights over land, issue with routes. And that last one is the biggest. Especially between San Antonio and DFW. Every little area wants a stop (Austin, Killeen/Fort Hood, Waco) and then does it go to Dallas or Fort Worth or both or a third point in between.

Then wherever it goes in a city there is the issue of building it through the city. You just can't have a train going 100, 200+ mph going through a city, neighborhoods, etc. even if fenced off or elevated.

Years ago when the tans Texas corridor was proposed the stop for Waco was proposed to be west of Mcgregor. That is not in Waco. Not convenient and would drop you off in the middle of no where with no rental car place around.

I'm sure this project would hit all those same problems.

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The amount of money necessary to acquire the land would be insane. To your point it also can't really terminate in Dallas or Ft Worth it would have to be on the outskirts somewhere but the outskirts of either city is 30 freaking miles.

You could probably take some of the land under imminent domain but that's wildly unpopular and would tie you up in court for eternity.

It's one of those ideas that's not terrible on the surface but the reality is that it's a non starter and never going to happen.

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Yes exactly. The land would be hard to get, expensive and tie up courts for years when people fight the imminent domain.

And ending outside of any of the cities is not a valid option, especially when it means it would have to end outside of not just Fort Worth or Dallas but all the outlying cities as well until you get to one that has enough viable land nearby but then you would basically end up in somewhere like Alvarado, Weatherford, Denton, McKinney, waxachie or something like that.

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Yep

People act like we are Germany and started building up our rail lines 140 years ago (plus has two world wars against enemies east and west so it became a national priority)


Texas and the USA are just not that kind of place

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The other thing most don't realize is that the rail they are talking about is Intercity, not transit. It will not do anything for your commute. That is a different system.