Yogi said:

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FWIW, I have always fancied myself as classical liberal in the same vein as Thomas Jefferson

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Wangchung said:

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Porteroso said:

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Most fathers would pardon their kid, and most politicians would lie about it. Not surprising. Of course it is wrong, but Trump pardoned some bad guys too. Including family.

Lying about it is the worst part, but you zealots are pretending like all the sudden, it is just so shocking Joe Biden tell a lie. You guys love to be outraged. Instant dopamine hit.

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It's not shocking that he would tell a lie, it's just hilarious when he gets caught and you little lefties aren't given an official lie to regurgitate to try and save face. The desperation in your own post to try and deflect from just how corrupt this move was and what it confirms only adds to the hilarity.

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nein51 said:

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Porteroso said:

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Most fathers would pardon their kid, and most politicians would lie about it. Not surprising. Of course it is wrong, but Trump pardoned some bad guys too. Including family.

Lying about it is the worst part, but you zealots are pretending like all the sudden, it is just so shocking Joe Biden tell a lie. You guys love to be outraged. Instant dopamine hit.

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This sets a terrible precedent.

Yes, Presidents pardon some bad people but I don't recall a president pardoning his own son from 10 years of criminal activity.

Though I suppose Ted Kennedy did kill a woman and Democrats never seemed to care much about that so.

If we take the President part out of the equation it's also terrible parenting to never make your kids take responsibility for their own actions.

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Wangchung said:

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Porteroso said:

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nein51 said:

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Porteroso said:

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Most fathers would pardon their kid, and most politicians would lie about it. Not surprising. Of course it is wrong, but Trump pardoned some bad guys too. Including family.

Lying about it is the worst part, but you zealots are pretending like all the sudden, it is just so shocking Joe Biden tell a lie. You guys love to be outraged. Instant dopamine hit.

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This sets a terrible precedent.

Yes, Presidents pardon some bad people but I don't recall a president pardoning his own son from 10 years of criminal activity.

Though I suppose Ted Kennedy did kill a woman and Democrats never seemed to care much about that so.

If we take the President part out of the equation it's also terrible parenting to never make your kids take responsibility for their own actions.

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Oh it is awful, but it is also normal. Trump pardoned a family member that hired a prostitute to sleep with his brother-in-law, then blackmailed him. Pretty clear that should be wrong, but Trump decided he shouldn't have to face the justice system for tax evasion and witness tampering.

Bill Clinton pardoned his brother. The list goes on.

It was simply predictable, unless this forum really is full of Biden lovers who thought once he promised to not pardon his son, that was that.

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A blanket pardon spanning 11 years for unspecified crimes that fit perfectly into the timeframe of allegations against Joe...
This is not the same as previous pardons. Not even close. "Bububut TRUMP!!!" does not change anything.

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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Porteroso said:

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nein51 said:

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Porteroso said:

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Most fathers would pardon their kid, and most politicians would lie about it. Not surprising. Of course it is wrong, but Trump pardoned some bad guys too. Including family.

Lying about it is the worst part, but you zealots are pretending like all the sudden, it is just so shocking Joe Biden tell a lie. You guys love to be outraged. Instant dopamine hit.

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This sets a terrible precedent.

Yes, Presidents pardon some bad people but I don't recall a president pardoning his own son from 10 years of criminal activity.

Though I suppose Ted Kennedy did kill a woman and Democrats never seemed to care much about that so.

If we take the President part out of the equation it's also terrible parenting to never make your kids take responsibility for their own actions.

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Oh it is awful, but it is also normal. Trump pardoned a family member that hired a prostitute to sleep with his brother-in-law, then blackmailed him. Pretty clear that should be wrong, but Trump decided he shouldn't have to face the justice system for tax evasion and witness tampering.

Bill Clinton pardoned his brother. The list goes on.

It was simply predictable, unless this forum really is full of Biden lovers who thought once he promised to not pardon his son, that was that.

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I of course cannot speak for everyone, but I think a lot of the reaction is not necessarily directed at the act itself but more then constant disinformation by the left-wing media that Joe Biden is the most honest, non-corruptible, "normal" force in U.S. history and that Trump is a serial liar that IS A THREAT TO DEMOCRACY!

Biden's corruption is just so brazen and was so ignored by the left-wing media it feels like we're in a bad movie. Remember, we went from Biden (and his media talking heads) telling us Hunter's laptop was fake and this was all normal, no corruption to Biden issuing a laughably long pardon that excuses all kinds of potential crimes. While I am not an expert, pretty sure it is unprecedented to issue a pardon for crimes that have not even been prosecuted.

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Porteroso said:

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Wangchung said:

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Porteroso said:

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nein51 said:

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Porteroso said:

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Most fathers would pardon their kid, and most politicians would lie about it. Not surprising. Of course it is wrong, but Trump pardoned some bad guys too. Including family.

Lying about it is the worst part, but you zealots are pretending like all the sudden, it is just so shocking Joe Biden tell a lie. You guys love to be outraged. Instant dopamine hit.

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This sets a terrible precedent.

Yes, Presidents pardon some bad people but I don't recall a president pardoning his own son from 10 years of criminal activity.

Though I suppose Ted Kennedy did kill a woman and Democrats never seemed to care much about that so.

If we take the President part out of the equation it's also terrible parenting to never make your kids take responsibility for their own actions.

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Oh it is awful, but it is also normal. Trump pardoned a family member that hired a prostitute to sleep with his brother-in-law, then blackmailed him. Pretty clear that should be wrong, but Trump decided he shouldn't have to face the justice system for tax evasion and witness tampering.

Bill Clinton pardoned his brother. The list goes on.

It was simply predictable, unless this forum really is full of Biden lovers who thought once he promised to not pardon his son, that was that.

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A blanket pardon spanning 11 years for unspecified crimes that fit perfectly into the timeframe of allegations against Joe...
This is not the same as previous pardons. Not even close. "Bububut TRUMP!!!" does not change anything.

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Oh but it is the same. Convicted murderers have been pardoned at the state and federal level. So far only allegations have been made against Joe, nothing proven, after years of investigations.

You zealots are so outraged, which is fine, but falsely equate your level of outrage with the level of corruption the pardon shows. That is the silliness I am pointing out. Had any of you participated in the thread I did 4 years ago, when about 3 of us complained about Trump's pardons, I'd be more sympathetic.

But I shouldn't complain much, I should brace myself for more silly zealous outrage from you, because more pardons are surely in the immediate future.

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Porteroso said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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Porteroso said:

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nein51 said:

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Porteroso said:

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Most fathers would pardon their kid, and most politicians would lie about it. Not surprising. Of course it is wrong, but Trump pardoned some bad guys too. Including family.

Lying about it is the worst part, but you zealots are pretending like all the sudden, it is just so shocking Joe Biden tell a lie. You guys love to be outraged. Instant dopamine hit.

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This sets a terrible precedent.

Yes, Presidents pardon some bad people but I don't recall a president pardoning his own son from 10 years of criminal activity.

Though I suppose Ted Kennedy did kill a woman and Democrats never seemed to care much about that so.

If we take the President part out of the equation it's also terrible parenting to never make your kids take responsibility for their own actions.

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Oh it is awful, but it is also normal. Trump pardoned a family member that hired a prostitute to sleep with his brother-in-law, then blackmailed him. Pretty clear that should be wrong, but Trump decided he shouldn't have to face the justice system for tax evasion and witness tampering.

Bill Clinton pardoned his brother. The list goes on.

It was simply predictable, unless this forum really is full of Biden lovers who thought once he promised to not pardon his son, that was that.

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I of course cannot speak for everyone, but I think a lot of the reaction is not necessarily directed at the act itself but more then constant disinformation by the left-wing media that Joe Biden is the most honest, non-corruptible, "normal" force in U.S. history and that Trump is a serial liar that IS A THREAT TO DEMOCRACY!

Biden's corruption is just so brazen and was so ignored by the left-wing media it feels like we're in a bad movie. Remember, we went from Biden (and his media talking heads) telling us Hunter's laptop was fake and this was all normal, no corruption to Biden issuing a laughably long pardon that excuses all kinds of potential crimes. While I am not an expert, pretty sure it is unprecedented to issue a pardon for crimes that have not even been prosecuted.

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Oh absolutely. I agree with all points. I am pointing out silliness, but it is not silly to hold politicians to account. I'm a big proponent of having standards, even for politicians. If only we all did.

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Porteroso said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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Porteroso said:

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nein51 said:

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Porteroso said:

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Most fathers would pardon their kid, and most politicians would lie about it. Not surprising. Of course it is wrong, but Trump pardoned some bad guys too. Including family.

Lying about it is the worst part, but you zealots are pretending like all the sudden, it is just so shocking Joe Biden tell a lie. You guys love to be outraged. Instant dopamine hit.

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This sets a terrible precedent.

Yes, Presidents pardon some bad people but I don't recall a president pardoning his own son from 10 years of criminal activity.

Though I suppose Ted Kennedy did kill a woman and Democrats never seemed to care much about that so.

If we take the President part out of the equation it's also terrible parenting to never make your kids take responsibility for their own actions.

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Oh it is awful, but it is also normal. Trump pardoned a family member that hired a prostitute to sleep with his brother-in-law, then blackmailed him. Pretty clear that should be wrong, but Trump decided he shouldn't have to face the justice system for tax evasion and witness tampering.

Bill Clinton pardoned his brother. The list goes on.

It was simply predictable, unless this forum really is full of Biden lovers who thought once he promised to not pardon his son, that was that.

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I of course cannot speak for everyone, but I think a lot of the reaction is not necessarily directed at the act itself but more then constant disinformation by the left-wing media that Joe Biden is the most honest, non-corruptible, "normal" force in U.S. history and that Trump is a serial liar that IS A THREAT TO DEMOCRACY!

Biden's corruption is just so brazen and was so ignored by the left-wing media it feels like we're in a bad movie. Remember, we went from Biden (and his media talking heads) telling us Hunter's laptop was fake and this was all normal, no corruption to Biden issuing a laughably long pardon that excuses all kinds of potential crimes. While I am not an expert, pretty sure it is unprecedented to issue a pardon for crimes that have not even been prosecuted.

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Oh absolutely. I agree with all points. I am pointing out silliness, but it is not silly to hold politicians to account. I'm a big proponent of having standards, even for politicians. If only we all did.

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Married A Horn said:

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Porteroso said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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Porteroso said:

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nein51 said:

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Porteroso said:

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Most fathers would pardon their kid, and most politicians would lie about it. Not surprising. Of course it is wrong, but Trump pardoned some bad guys too. Including family.

Lying about it is the worst part, but you zealots are pretending like all the sudden, it is just so shocking Joe Biden tell a lie. You guys love to be outraged. Instant dopamine hit.

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This sets a terrible precedent.

Yes, Presidents pardon some bad people but I don't recall a president pardoning his own son from 10 years of criminal activity.

Though I suppose Ted Kennedy did kill a woman and Democrats never seemed to care much about that so.

If we take the President part out of the equation it's also terrible parenting to never make your kids take responsibility for their own actions.

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Oh it is awful, but it is also normal. Trump pardoned a family member that hired a prostitute to sleep with his brother-in-law, then blackmailed him. Pretty clear that should be wrong, but Trump decided he shouldn't have to face the justice system for tax evasion and witness tampering.

Bill Clinton pardoned his brother. The list goes on.

It was simply predictable, unless this forum really is full of Biden lovers who thought once he promised to not pardon his son, that was that.

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I of course cannot speak for everyone, but I think a lot of the reaction is not necessarily directed at the act itself but more then constant disinformation by the left-wing media that Joe Biden is the most honest, non-corruptible, "normal" force in U.S. history and that Trump is a serial liar that IS A THREAT TO DEMOCRACY!

Biden's corruption is just so brazen and was so ignored by the left-wing media it feels like we're in a bad movie. Remember, we went from Biden (and his media talking heads) telling us Hunter's laptop was fake and this was all normal, no corruption to Biden issuing a laughably long pardon that excuses all kinds of potential crimes. While I am not an expert, pretty sure it is unprecedented to issue a pardon for crimes that have not even been prosecuted.

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Oh absolutely. I agree with all points. I am pointing out silliness, but it is not silly to hold politicians to account. I'm a big proponent of having standards, even for politicians. If only we all did.

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If you would like to go dig up some of your old quotes from back when hunter's laptop first came out or the russia hoax first came out, that illustrate your level of disgust for the left's politicians that failed to meet the smallest of standards... it would go a long way in showing us that you aren't just some partisan liberal hack.

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Married A Horn said:

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nein51 said:

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Married A Horn said:

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nein51 said:

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I don't know if it's a watershed moment but it's a huge issue.

You have a piece of equipment that has very real, very problematic information on it. Yeah that's damning but it's not really that huge imo though it would have impacted the election, maybe.

You then have a coordinated response from the intelligence agencies calling it Russian disinformation which, as it turns out, was false.

You then have the press coordinating 24 hour coverage of how this isn't real and Russia, Russia, Russia.

You then have social media companies deplatforming people for, what it turned out, was entirely correct information and they were clearly colluding with the intel agencies and, in at least some small way, the White House to actively sensor information from the public.

The laptop, in and of itself, isn't really that big of a deal imo. Everything that happened after is a much, much bigger story.

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All good points - and the fact that porto was not railing against all of that stuff, shows his true colors.

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The control exerted over social media companies by the White House is probably the biggest scandal in history. It's a much bigger issue than failing audits, it's a bigger issue that Watergate and personally I think you would be hard pressed to find a bigger issue in our history.

The fact that it wasn't the lead story on every news agency for months is an indictment of our press.

It's like they didn't realize if the government can silence anyone they want, for any reason, then they may silence you.

"Then they came for me and there was no one left to speak."

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I personally think it was big pharma and covid... forced jab, lockdowns, denial of IVM and government getting into the doctor's office and throwing everything at the doctor to prevent them from prescribing off label treatments...
They did everything in their power to 'sell at the US Taxpayer's expense' hundreds of millions of dollars of the jab.

Their attack on the first amendment during Hunter's laptop scandal is basically the same thing...

In both cases, they attacked anyone and everyone on social media that went against the liberal criminal narrative. They blocked or hid anything counter to their money making lies.

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nein51 said:

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This was known to be real very quickly, coordinated multiple agencies and the press to hide a story, ........... casting doubt on the American democratic process and then quashed all discussion about it.......... It's as close to totalitarian as you can get. It's not even something most people think could even happen in this country.

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Married A Horn said:

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From what I know of you, you are pro big Brother, pro big pharma, and pro
deep state institutions.
You're more concerned with clerical crimes of Trump, than you are
Treasonous crimes of the left.

I'm not gonna go dig through your posts from a couple of years back to prove a point either way. Just thought you might be able to provide something quickly as you know your posts and your stances better than anyone.

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nein51 said:

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I don't know if it's a watershed moment but it's a huge issue.

You have a piece of equipment that has very real, very problematic information on it. Yeah that's damning but it's not really that huge imo though it would have impacted the election, maybe.

You then have a coordinated response from the intelligence agencies calling it Russian disinformation which, as it turns out, was false.

You then have the press coordinating 24 hour coverage of how this isn't real and Russia, Russia, Russia.

You then have social media companies deplatforming people for, what it turned out, was entirely correct information and they were clearly colluding with the intel agencies and, in at least some small way, the White House to actively sensor information from the public.

The laptop, in and of itself, isn't really that big of a deal imo. Everything that happened after is a much, much bigger story.

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Porteroso said:

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nein51 said:

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I don't know if it's a watershed moment but it's a huge issue.

You have a piece of equipment that has very real, very problematic information on it. Yeah that's damning but it's not really that huge imo though it would have impacted the election, maybe.

You then have a coordinated response from the intelligence agencies calling it Russian disinformation which, as it turns out, was false.

You then have the press coordinating 24 hour coverage of how this isn't real and Russia, Russia, Russia.

You then have social media companies deplatforming people for, what it turned out, was entirely correct information and they were clearly colluding with the intel agencies and, in at least some small way, the White House to actively sensor information from the public.

The laptop, in and of itself, isn't really that big of a deal imo. Everything that happened after is a much, much bigger story.

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The censorship at the behest of the state is the only thing that truly concerns me. It is a major reason I could not vote for Harris. She clearly believed that social media users should be censored when posting information the White House deemed incorrect or misleading. Anyone involved with Biden's Truth Ministry is excluded from Porter's further political consideration, forever. I've been extremely consistent when it comes to promoting individual freedoms.

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Assassin said:

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Manchin comes on and says that Biden should have pardoned Trump at the same time.

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nein51 said:

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Assassin said:

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Manchin comes on and says that Biden should have pardoned Trump at the same time.

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TBH I think Trump would have been smart to pardon Hunter. Would have accomplished the same thing but looked a million times better. No way that couldn't have been part of some deal.

"You do X and I'll do Y and we will promise not to spend time even looking at Z"

Huge miss from both parties.

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Wangchung said:

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Porteroso said:

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nein51 said:

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I don't know if it's a watershed moment but it's a huge issue.

You have a piece of equipment that has very real, very problematic information on it. Yeah that's damning but it's not really that huge imo though it would have impacted the election, maybe.

You then have a coordinated response from the intelligence agencies calling it Russian disinformation which, as it turns out, was false.

You then have the press coordinating 24 hour coverage of how this isn't real and Russia, Russia, Russia.

You then have social media companies deplatforming people for, what it turned out, was entirely correct information and they were clearly colluding with the intel agencies and, in at least some small way, the White House to actively sensor information from the public.

The laptop, in and of itself, isn't really that big of a deal imo. Everything that happened after is a much, much bigger story.

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The censorship at the behest of the state is the only thing that truly concerns me. It is a major reason I could not vote for Harris. She clearly believed that social media users should be censored when posting information the White House deemed incorrect or misleading. Anyone involved with Biden's Truth Ministry is excluded from Porter's further political consideration, forever. I've been extremely consistent when it comes to promoting individual freedoms.

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Well then welcome, fellow zealot! If you care about corrupt government collusion with Big Tech and Big Pharma, and if you care about exposing the perpetrators, then I have it on good authority that you are a zealot like the rest of us.

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