Redbrickbear said:

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Stephen A Smith is sick of defending Democrats after 'conspiracy theories' continue to come true, like FBI informants instigating violence during January 6th:
"The news comes amidst a bombshell report from the Justice Department that revealed the FBI had at least 26 confidential… pic.twitter.com/q8xskoMp6H

— Eric Abbenante (@EricAbbenante) December 15, 2024

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I like Smith, but he's misinformed on this. Again, there is nothing unusual about CIs attending.

sombear said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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Stephen A Smith is sick of defending Democrats after 'conspiracy theories' continue to come true, like FBI informants instigating violence during January 6th:
"The news comes amidst a bombshell report from the Justice Department that revealed the FBI had at least 26 confidential… pic.twitter.com/q8xskoMp6H

— Eric Abbenante (@EricAbbenante) December 15, 2024

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I like Smith, but he's misinformed on this. Again, there is nothing unusual about CIs attending.

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Is that you Tim Walz? You're that out of touch and so entrenched in your teams side that you cant see how the public has had enough? You cant see how a billionaire connected to the common man better than yalls lieing butts?

You tell a bunch of lies - label anyone that questions them terrorists or rwnj's. Then when the truth comes out you start playing word games.

Look in the mirror dude. America is sick of the mom at the school board worried about trannies being called a terrorist. They are sick of an old woman praying outside an abortion clinic being called a terrorist.

I read on some news site that Trump pardoning the J6ers is one of his least supported actions. Well, that was before this report. I'm sure he'll have a large majority support on that too now that the left's narrative has been proven all lies.

Go tell on your Jewish neighbor...the Nazi's are looking for people like you.

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sombear said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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Stephen A Smith is sick of defending Democrats after 'conspiracy theories' continue to come true, like FBI informants instigating violence during January 6th:
"The news comes amidst a bombshell report from the Justice Department that revealed the FBI had at least 26 confidential… pic.twitter.com/q8xskoMp6H

— Eric Abbenante (@EricAbbenante) December 15, 2024

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I like Smith, but he's misinformed on this. Again, there is nothing unusual about CIs attending.

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Is that you Tim Walz? You're that out of touch and so entrenched in your teams side that you cant see how the public has had enough? You cant see how a billionaire connected to the common man better than yalls lieing butts?

You tell a bunch of lies - label anyone that questions them terrorists or rwnj's. Then when the truth comes out you start playing word games.

Look in the mirror dude. America is sick of the mom at the school board worried about trannies being called a terrorist. They are sick of an old woman praying outside an abortion clinic being called a terrorist.

I read on some news site that Trump pardoning the J6ers is one of his least supported actions. Well, that was before this report. I'm sure he'll have a large majority support on that too now that the left's narrative has been proven all lies.

Go tell on your Jewish neighbor...the Nazi's are looking for people like you.

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I'm a lifelong conservative and have limited this discussion to J6.

I have not lied and have no idea what you're talking about.

A new House investigative report on the corrupt and fraudulent J6 committee concludes that left-wing darling Cassidy Hutchinson “lied about the classification status of documents to disparage Mark Meadows.” pic.twitter.com/YPUXBJ01L5

— Sean Davis (@seanmdav) December 17, 2024

GrowlTowel said:

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sombear said:

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Wangchung said:

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We have moved from the "it's not happening" stage and are now in the "okay it's happening but not enough to matter" stage. Next stage they will be saying "yes it happened and it's a good thing it happened."

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I don't recall anyone saying confidently that there were no CIs there. Anyone who would say that is clueless.

Are you surprised there were CIs there? Do you think that's wrong somehow?

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Yes. Why is the government spying on a political ralley?

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Because some of the individuals and groups had openly advocated violence. There are folks on this board who were/are in federal law enforcement/intel. They would tell you this is SOP.

Redbrickbear said:

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A new House investigative report on the corrupt and fraudulent J6 committee concludes that left-wing darling Cassidy Hutchinson “lied about the classification status of documents to disparage Mark Meadows.” pic.twitter.com/YPUXBJ01L5

— Sean Davis (@seanmdav) December 17, 2024

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wait, i was told she was the perfect witness for the truth when i questioned her attitude change when she didnt get on the maralargo team post 2020 election

Breaking: House GOP accuses Liz Cheney of tampering with J6 witness, ask FBI to investigate criminality https://t.co/M6VjJ5sMRX

— John Solomon (@jsolomonReports) December 17, 2024

Redbrickbear said:

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sombear said:

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GrowlTowel said:

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sombear said:

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Wangchung said:

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We have moved from the "it's not happening" stage and are now in the "okay it's happening but not enough to matter" stage. Next stage they will be saying "yes it happened and it's a good thing it happened."

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I don't recall anyone saying confidently that there were no CIs there. Anyone who would say that is clueless.

Are you surprised there were CIs there? Do you think that's wrong somehow?

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Yes. Why is the government spying on a political ralley?

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Because some of the individuals and groups had openly advocated violence.

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Excuses for monitoring the American people

The Federal gov. minions always come up with excuses like that for their increasingly tyrannical surveillance State spying on the Citizens of this Union

Remember when they were randomly spying on all our cell phone calls?

https://www.aclu.org/press-releases/new-documents-reveal-nsa-improperly-collected-americans-call-records-yet-again

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I oppose the cell phone surveillance.

I don't oppose using CIs for violent groups.

GrowlTowel said:

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sombear said:

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Wangchung said:

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We have moved from the "it's not happening" stage and are now in the "okay it's happening but not enough to matter" stage. Next stage they will be saying "yes it happened and it's a good thing it happened."

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I don't recall anyone saying confidently that there were no CIs there. Anyone who would say that is clueless.

Are you surprised there were CIs there? Do you think that's wrong somehow?

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Yes. Why is the government spying on a political ralley?

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Because that's what totalitarian dictators do & the fascists (aka Democrats) want to have total control of everyone & everything.

Malbec said:

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sombear said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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sombear said:

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GrowlTowel said:

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sombear said:

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Wangchung said:

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We have moved from the "it's not happening" stage and are now in the "okay it's happening but not enough to matter" stage. Next stage they will be saying "yes it happened and it's a good thing it happened."

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I don't recall anyone saying confidently that there were no CIs there. Anyone who would say that is clueless.

Are you surprised there were CIs there? Do you think that's wrong somehow?

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Yes. Why is the government spying on a political ralley?

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Because some of the individuals and groups had openly advocated violence.

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Excuses for monitoring the American people

The Federal gov. minions always come up with excuses like that for their increasingly tyrannical surveillance State spying on the Citizens of this Union

Remember when they were randomly spying on all our cell phone calls?

https://www.aclu.org/press-releases/new-documents-reveal-nsa-improperly-collected-americans-call-records-yet-again

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I oppose the cell phone surveillance.

I don't oppose using CIs for violent groups.

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Which groups with a history of violent acts were present for J6 and how did the government know they would be there creating the need to embed "FBI Assets"? How many of these "CIs" were embedded in BLM and other groups in the summer of 2020?

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I'm not an expert in these groups. And I said "advocated violence." There was well-publicized online chatter about violence leading up to J6.

I have no idea how many, if any, CIs were embedded with BLM, but I assume a fair amount.

But let's just say, for sake of argument, that I'm way off base here. It would be a good policy discussion. But some are using the existence of CIs to justify/excuse all the bad things that happened on J6. As I said in earlier post, we have on video most of the real instigators and most of the people who engaged in actual violence. Those people are serving real time.

Wangchung said:

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sombear said:

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Malbec said:

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sombear said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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sombear said:

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GrowlTowel said:

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sombear said:

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Wangchung said:

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We have moved from the "it's not happening" stage and are now in the "okay it's happening but not enough to matter" stage. Next stage they will be saying "yes it happened and it's a good thing it happened."

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I don't recall anyone saying confidently that there were no CIs there. Anyone who would say that is clueless.

Are you surprised there were CIs there? Do you think that's wrong somehow?

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Yes. Why is the government spying on a political ralley?

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Because some of the individuals and groups had openly advocated violence.

---

Excuses for monitoring the American people

The Federal gov. minions always come up with excuses like that for their increasingly tyrannical surveillance State spying on the Citizens of this Union

Remember when they were randomly spying on all our cell phone calls?

https://www.aclu.org/press-releases/new-documents-reveal-nsa-improperly-collected-americans-call-records-yet-again

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I oppose the cell phone surveillance.

I don't oppose using CIs for violent groups.

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Which groups with a history of violent acts were present for J6 and how did the government know they would be there creating the need to embed "FBI Assets"? How many of these "CIs" were embedded in BLM and other groups in the summer of 2020?

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I'm not an expert in these groups. And I said "advocated violence." There was well-publicized online chatter about violence leading up to J6.

I have no idea how many, if any, CIs were embedded with BLM, but I assume a fair amount.

But let's just say, for sake of argument, that I'm way off base here. It would be a good policy discussion. But some are using the existence of CIs to justify/excuse all the bad things that happened on J6. As I said in earlier post, we have on video most of the real instigators and most of the people who engaged in actual violence. Those people are serving real time.

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How much time is Epps serving? He did get caught in film multiple times instigating violence and instigating the breaching of the Capitol so he must have gotten a LOT of time as a sentence, right?

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I don't know if Epps was a CI but it's not relevant to my argument. Nothing a CI did or did not do justifies what others did.

If there were CIs that incited the acts, that should have come out at trial..

Wangchung said:

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sombear said:

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Wangchung said:

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sombear said:

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Malbec said:

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sombear said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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sombear said:

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GrowlTowel said:

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sombear said:

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Wangchung said:

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We have moved from the "it's not happening" stage and are now in the "okay it's happening but not enough to matter" stage. Next stage they will be saying "yes it happened and it's a good thing it happened."

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I don't recall anyone saying confidently that there were no CIs there. Anyone who would say that is clueless.

Are you surprised there were CIs there? Do you think that's wrong somehow?

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Yes. Why is the government spying on a political ralley?

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Because some of the individuals and groups had openly advocated violence.

---

Excuses for monitoring the American people

The Federal gov. minions always come up with excuses like that for their increasingly tyrannical surveillance State spying on the Citizens of this Union

Remember when they were randomly spying on all our cell phone calls?

https://www.aclu.org/press-releases/new-documents-reveal-nsa-improperly-collected-americans-call-records-yet-again

---

I oppose the cell phone surveillance.

I don't oppose using CIs for violent groups.

---

Which groups with a history of violent acts were present for J6 and how did the government know they would be there creating the need to embed "FBI Assets"? How many of these "CIs" were embedded in BLM and other groups in the summer of 2020?

---

I'm not an expert in these groups. And I said "advocated violence." There was well-publicized online chatter about violence leading up to J6.

I have no idea how many, if any, CIs were embedded with BLM, but I assume a fair amount.

But let's just say, for sake of argument, that I'm way off base here. It would be a good policy discussion. But some are using the existence of CIs to justify/excuse all the bad things that happened on J6. As I said in earlier post, we have on video most of the real instigators and most of the people who engaged in actual violence. Those people are serving real time.

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How much time is Epps serving? He did get caught in film multiple times instigating violence and instigating the breaching of the Capitol so he must have gotten a LOT of time as a sentence, right?

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I don't know if Epps was a CI but it's not relevant to my argument. Nothing a CI did or did not do justifies what others did.

If there were CIs that incited the acts, that should have come out at trial..

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We have video of Epps inciting the crowd on multiple occasions. After months of uproar from people asking why he wasn't charged, they finally charged him and gave him a whopping 12 months of probation. There is no question that he was present and inciting violence, so there is only one reason he was eventually given a mere slap on the wrist.

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Serious question . . . I don't know the answer. Were there others charged and convicted who did not enter the capitol or engage in violence?

sombear said:

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GrowlTowel said:

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sombear said:

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Wangchung said:

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We have moved from the "it's not happening" stage and are now in the "okay it's happening but not enough to matter" stage. Next stage they will be saying "yes it happened and it's a good thing it happened."

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I don't recall anyone saying confidently that there were no CIs there. Anyone who would say that is clueless.

Are you surprised there were CIs there? Do you think that's wrong somehow?

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Yes. Why is the government spying on a political ralley?

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Because some of the individuals and groups had openly advocated violence. There are folks on this board who were/are in federal law enforcement/intel. They would tell you this is SOP.

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Odd, rather than spying on the group in the hopes of catching them after the fact, how about preventing lawlessness to begin with?


That is really SOP? Isn't the FBI's mission to protect the people and uphold the Constitution?

sombear said:

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Wangchung said:

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sombear said:

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Wangchung said:

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sombear said:

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Malbec said:

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sombear said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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sombear said:

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GrowlTowel said:

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sombear said:

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Wangchung said:

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We have moved from the "it's not happening" stage and are now in the "okay it's happening but not enough to matter" stage. Next stage they will be saying "yes it happened and it's a good thing it happened."

---

I don't recall anyone saying confidently that there were no CIs there. Anyone who would say that is clueless.

Are you surprised there were CIs there? Do you think that's wrong somehow?

---

Yes. Why is the government spying on a political ralley?

---

Because some of the individuals and groups had openly advocated violence.

---

Excuses for monitoring the American people

The Federal gov. minions always come up with excuses like that for their increasingly tyrannical surveillance State spying on the Citizens of this Union

Remember when they were randomly spying on all our cell phone calls?

https://www.aclu.org/press-releases/new-documents-reveal-nsa-improperly-collected-americans-call-records-yet-again

---

I oppose the cell phone surveillance.

I don't oppose using CIs for violent groups.

---

Which groups with a history of violent acts were present for J6 and how did the government know they would be there creating the need to embed "FBI Assets"? How many of these "CIs" were embedded in BLM and other groups in the summer of 2020?

---

I'm not an expert in these groups. And I said "advocated violence." There was well-publicized online chatter about violence leading up to J6.

I have no idea how many, if any, CIs were embedded with BLM, but I assume a fair amount.

But let's just say, for sake of argument, that I'm way off base here. It would be a good policy discussion. But some are using the existence of CIs to justify/excuse all the bad things that happened on J6. As I said in earlier post, we have on video most of the real instigators and most of the people who engaged in actual violence. Those people are serving real time.

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How much time is Epps serving? He did get caught in film multiple times instigating violence and instigating the breaching of the Capitol so he must have gotten a LOT of time as a sentence, right?

---

I don't know if Epps was a CI but it's not relevant to my argument. Nothing a CI did or did not do justifies what others did.

If there were CIs that incited the acts, that should have come out at trial..

---

We have video of Epps inciting the crowd on multiple occasions. After months of uproar from people asking why he wasn't charged, they finally charged him and gave him a whopping 12 months of probation. There is no question that he was present and inciting violence, so there is only one reason he was eventually given a mere slap on the wrist.

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Serious question . . . I don't know the answer. Were there others charged and convicted who did not enter the capitol or engage in violence?

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Thousands who did not enter are about to be charged with a felony.

DC U.S. Attorney Matthew Graves is making clear that the DOJ is now going to target Americans who were around the Capitol on J6 but did not enter the building pic.twitter.com/bj4i3QfHe9

— ALX 🇺🇸 (@alx) January 6, 2024

Wangchung said:

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sombear said:

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Wangchung said:

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sombear said:

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Wangchung said:

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sombear said:

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Malbec said:

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sombear said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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sombear said:

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GrowlTowel said:

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sombear said:

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Wangchung said:

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We have moved from the "it's not happening" stage and are now in the "okay it's happening but not enough to matter" stage. Next stage they will be saying "yes it happened and it's a good thing it happened."

---

I don't recall anyone saying confidently that there were no CIs there. Anyone who would say that is clueless.

Are you surprised there were CIs there? Do you think that's wrong somehow?

---

Yes. Why is the government spying on a political ralley?

---

Because some of the individuals and groups had openly advocated violence.

---

Excuses for monitoring the American people

The Federal gov. minions always come up with excuses like that for their increasingly tyrannical surveillance State spying on the Citizens of this Union

Remember when they were randomly spying on all our cell phone calls?

https://www.aclu.org/press-releases/new-documents-reveal-nsa-improperly-collected-americans-call-records-yet-again

---

I oppose the cell phone surveillance.

I don't oppose using CIs for violent groups.

---

Which groups with a history of violent acts were present for J6 and how did the government know they would be there creating the need to embed "FBI Assets"? How many of these "CIs" were embedded in BLM and other groups in the summer of 2020?

---

I'm not an expert in these groups. And I said "advocated violence." There was well-publicized online chatter about violence leading up to J6.

I have no idea how many, if any, CIs were embedded with BLM, but I assume a fair amount.

But let's just say, for sake of argument, that I'm way off base here. It would be a good policy discussion. But some are using the existence of CIs to justify/excuse all the bad things that happened on J6. As I said in earlier post, we have on video most of the real instigators and most of the people who engaged in actual violence. Those people are serving real time.

---

How much time is Epps serving? He did get caught in film multiple times instigating violence and instigating the breaching of the Capitol so he must have gotten a LOT of time as a sentence, right?

---

I don't know if Epps was a CI but it's not relevant to my argument. Nothing a CI did or did not do justifies what others did.

If there were CIs that incited the acts, that should have come out at trial..

---

We have video of Epps inciting the crowd on multiple occasions. After months of uproar from people asking why he wasn't charged, they finally charged him and gave him a whopping 12 months of probation. There is no question that he was present and inciting violence, so there is only one reason he was eventually given a mere slap on the wrist.

---

Serious question . . . I don't know the answer. Were there others charged and convicted who did not enter the capitol or engage in violence?

---

Thousands who did not enter are about to be charged with a felony.

DC U.S. Attorney Matthew Graves is making clear that the DOJ is now going to target Americans who were around the Capitol on J6 but did not enter the building pic.twitter.com/bj4i3QfHe9

— ALX 🇺🇸 (@alx) January 6, 2024

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yeah, that DOJ aint gonna exist in 6 weeks so they arent gonna he doing that

4th and Inches said:

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Wangchung said:

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sombear said:

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Wangchung said:

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sombear said:

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Wangchung said:

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sombear said:

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Malbec said:

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sombear said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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sombear said:

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GrowlTowel said:

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sombear said:

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Wangchung said:

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We have moved from the "it's not happening" stage and are now in the "okay it's happening but not enough to matter" stage. Next stage they will be saying "yes it happened and it's a good thing it happened."

---

I don't recall anyone saying confidently that there were no CIs there. Anyone who would say that is clueless.

Are you surprised there were CIs there? Do you think that's wrong somehow?

---

Yes. Why is the government spying on a political ralley?

---

Because some of the individuals and groups had openly advocated violence.

---

Excuses for monitoring the American people

The Federal gov. minions always come up with excuses like that for their increasingly tyrannical surveillance State spying on the Citizens of this Union

Remember when they were randomly spying on all our cell phone calls?

https://www.aclu.org/press-releases/new-documents-reveal-nsa-improperly-collected-americans-call-records-yet-again

---

I oppose the cell phone surveillance.

I don't oppose using CIs for violent groups.

---

Which groups with a history of violent acts were present for J6 and how did the government know they would be there creating the need to embed "FBI Assets"? How many of these "CIs" were embedded in BLM and other groups in the summer of 2020?

---

I'm not an expert in these groups. And I said "advocated violence." There was well-publicized online chatter about violence leading up to J6.

I have no idea how many, if any, CIs were embedded with BLM, but I assume a fair amount.

But let's just say, for sake of argument, that I'm way off base here. It would be a good policy discussion. But some are using the existence of CIs to justify/excuse all the bad things that happened on J6. As I said in earlier post, we have on video most of the real instigators and most of the people who engaged in actual violence. Those people are serving real time.

---

How much time is Epps serving? He did get caught in film multiple times instigating violence and instigating the breaching of the Capitol so he must have gotten a LOT of time as a sentence, right?

---

I don't know if Epps was a CI but it's not relevant to my argument. Nothing a CI did or did not do justifies what others did.

If there were CIs that incited the acts, that should have come out at trial..

---

We have video of Epps inciting the crowd on multiple occasions. After months of uproar from people asking why he wasn't charged, they finally charged him and gave him a whopping 12 months of probation. There is no question that he was present and inciting violence, so there is only one reason he was eventually given a mere slap on the wrist.

---

Serious question . . . I don't know the answer. Were there others charged and convicted who did not enter the capitol or engage in violence?

---

Thousands who did not enter are about to be charged with a felony.

DC U.S. Attorney Matthew Graves is making clear that the DOJ is now going to target Americans who were around the Capitol on J6 but did not enter the building pic.twitter.com/bj4i3QfHe9

— ALX 🇺🇸 (@alx) January 6, 2024

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yeah, that DOJ aint gonna exist in 6 weeks so they arent gonna he doing that

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He made that declaration last January. No telling how many people they went after.

Wangchung said:

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4th and Inches said:

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Wangchung said:

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sombear said:

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Wangchung said:

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sombear said:

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Wangchung said:

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sombear said:

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Malbec said:

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sombear said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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sombear said:

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GrowlTowel said:

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sombear said:

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Wangchung said:

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We have moved from the "it's not happening" stage and are now in the "okay it's happening but not enough to matter" stage. Next stage they will be saying "yes it happened and it's a good thing it happened."

---

I don't recall anyone saying confidently that there were no CIs there. Anyone who would say that is clueless.

Are you surprised there were CIs there? Do you think that's wrong somehow?

---

Yes. Why is the government spying on a political ralley?

---

Because some of the individuals and groups had openly advocated violence.

---

Excuses for monitoring the American people

The Federal gov. minions always come up with excuses like that for their increasingly tyrannical surveillance State spying on the Citizens of this Union

Remember when they were randomly spying on all our cell phone calls?

https://www.aclu.org/press-releases/new-documents-reveal-nsa-improperly-collected-americans-call-records-yet-again

---

I oppose the cell phone surveillance.

I don't oppose using CIs for violent groups.

---

Which groups with a history of violent acts were present for J6 and how did the government know they would be there creating the need to embed "FBI Assets"? How many of these "CIs" were embedded in BLM and other groups in the summer of 2020?

---

I'm not an expert in these groups. And I said "advocated violence." There was well-publicized online chatter about violence leading up to J6.

I have no idea how many, if any, CIs were embedded with BLM, but I assume a fair amount.

But let's just say, for sake of argument, that I'm way off base here. It would be a good policy discussion. But some are using the existence of CIs to justify/excuse all the bad things that happened on J6. As I said in earlier post, we have on video most of the real instigators and most of the people who engaged in actual violence. Those people are serving real time.

---

How much time is Epps serving? He did get caught in film multiple times instigating violence and instigating the breaching of the Capitol so he must have gotten a LOT of time as a sentence, right?

---

I don't know if Epps was a CI but it's not relevant to my argument. Nothing a CI did or did not do justifies what others did.

If there were CIs that incited the acts, that should have come out at trial..

---

We have video of Epps inciting the crowd on multiple occasions. After months of uproar from people asking why he wasn't charged, they finally charged him and gave him a whopping 12 months of probation. There is no question that he was present and inciting violence, so there is only one reason he was eventually given a mere slap on the wrist.

---

Serious question . . . I don't know the answer. Were there others charged and convicted who did not enter the capitol or engage in violence?

---

Thousands who did not enter are about to be charged with a felony.

DC U.S. Attorney Matthew Graves is making clear that the DOJ is now going to target Americans who were around the Capitol on J6 but did not enter the building pic.twitter.com/bj4i3QfHe9

— ALX 🇺🇸 (@alx) January 6, 2024

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yeah, that DOJ aint gonna exist in 6 weeks so they arent gonna he doing that

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He made that declaration last January. No telling how many people they went after.

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ah

Harrison Bergeron said:

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Malbec said:

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sombear said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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sombear said:

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GrowlTowel said:

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sombear said:

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Wangchung said:

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We have moved from the "it's not happening" stage and are now in the "okay it's happening but not enough to matter" stage. Next stage they will be saying "yes it happened and it's a good thing it happened."

---

I don't recall anyone saying confidently that there were no CIs there. Anyone who would say that is clueless.

Are you surprised there were CIs there? Do you think that's wrong somehow?

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Yes. Why is the government spying on a political ralley?

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Because some of the individuals and groups had openly advocated violence.

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Excuses for monitoring the American people

The Federal gov. minions always come up with excuses like that for their increasingly tyrannical surveillance State spying on the Citizens of this Union

Remember when they were randomly spying on all our cell phone calls?

https://www.aclu.org/press-releases/new-documents-reveal-nsa-improperly-collected-americans-call-records-yet-again

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I oppose the cell phone surveillance.

I don't oppose using CIs for violent groups.

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Which groups with a history of violent acts were present for J6 and how did the government know they would be there creating the need to embed "FBI Assets"? How many of these "CIs" were embedded in BLM and other groups in the summer of 2020?

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Those were my questions ....

1. What groups present had a history of violence?
2, If the government was not spying on U.S. citizens, how did the government know who would be there?
3. Why are violent groups or allegedly violent groups treated differently?
4. Why are violent groups or allegedly violent groups prosecuted and punished differently?

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I agree with question #1.

#2 I would like to know how they knew. Spying? Well, how do you define? Is any intel gathering spying? Technically, yes. As long as it was done with accordance to the laws on the books, I am good. Don't like it, change the laws on the books.

Disagree with #3 and #4, if you have a violent history. It should be taken into consideration and we should take different action than someone that doesn't. That does not seem unreasonable.

Harrison Bergeron said:

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Malbec said:

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sombear said:

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sombear said:

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We have moved from the "it's not happening" stage and are now in the "okay it's happening but not enough to matter" stage. Next stage they will be saying "yes it happened and it's a good thing it happened."

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I don't recall anyone saying confidently that there were no CIs there. Anyone who would say that is clueless.

Are you surprised there were CIs there? Do you think that's wrong somehow?

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Yes. Why is the government spying on a political ralley?

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Because some of the individuals and groups had openly advocated violence.

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Excuses for monitoring the American people

The Federal gov. minions always come up with excuses like that for their increasingly tyrannical surveillance State spying on the Citizens of this Union

Remember when they were randomly spying on all our cell phone calls?

https://www.aclu.org/press-releases/new-documents-reveal-nsa-improperly-collected-americans-call-records-yet-again

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I oppose the cell phone surveillance.

I don't oppose using CIs for violent groups.

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Which groups with a history of violent acts were present for J6 and how did the government know they would be there creating the need to embed "FBI Assets"? How many of these "CIs" were embedded in BLM and other groups in the summer of 2020?

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Those were my questions ....

1. What groups present had a history of violence?
2, If the government was not spying on U.S. citizens, how did the government know who would be there?
3. Why are violent groups or allegedly violent groups treated differently?
4. Why are violent groups or allegedly violent groups prosecuted and punished differently?

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Most of the groups and organizers were publicizing their participation and promoting the protest on twitter and elsewhere. It was no secret.

I don't know whether there were more secretive groups that may have been monitored, although that would not surprise me.

Folks, this info is all over the place. There were many skin-head, militia, and other groups openly and proudly promoting J6 before, during, and after. Whether you like it or not, there are no doubt CIs involved in most of not all of these groups.

sombear said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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Malbec said:

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sombear said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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sombear said:

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GrowlTowel said:

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sombear said:

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Wangchung said:

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We have moved from the "it's not happening" stage and are now in the "okay it's happening but not enough to matter" stage. Next stage they will be saying "yes it happened and it's a good thing it happened."

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I don't recall anyone saying confidently that there were no CIs there. Anyone who would say that is clueless.

Are you surprised there were CIs there? Do you think that's wrong somehow?

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Yes. Why is the government spying on a political ralley?

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Because some of the individuals and groups had openly advocated violence.

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Excuses for monitoring the American people

The Federal gov. minions always come up with excuses like that for their increasingly tyrannical surveillance State spying on the Citizens of this Union

Remember when they were randomly spying on all our cell phone calls?

https://www.aclu.org/press-releases/new-documents-reveal-nsa-improperly-collected-americans-call-records-yet-again

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I oppose the cell phone surveillance.

I don't oppose using CIs for violent groups.

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Which groups with a history of violent acts were present for J6 and how did the government know they would be there creating the need to embed "FBI Assets"? How many of these "CIs" were embedded in BLM and other groups in the summer of 2020?

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Those were my questions ....

1. What groups present had a history of violence?
2, If the government was not spying on U.S. citizens, how did the government know who would be there?
3. Why are violent groups or allegedly violent groups treated differently?
4. Why are violent groups or allegedly violent groups prosecuted and punished differently?

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Most of the groups and organizers were publicizing their participation and promoting the protest on twitter and elsewhere. It was no secret.

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You still have not told us what groups you are talking about.

But lets say you are correct.....let me ask you a question.

If I start a group that the Gov. alleges is violent....lets call its the Sicm365 Patriot Bros.....and I say on twitter that I am going to your birthday party.

Does that give the Feds the right to engaged in surveillance of your house? Put covert assets in every event you have? Bug your bed room and your bathroom?

AKA do they just have the right to engaged in what seems like Unconstitutional surveillance of anyone at anytime? For whatever reason they want based on specter "possible violence"?