FLBear5630 said:

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We have moved from the "it's not happening" stage and are now in the "okay it's happening but not enough to matter" stage. Next stage they will be saying "yes it happened and it's a good thing it happened."

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I don't recall anyone saying confidently that there were no CIs there. Anyone who would say that is clueless.

Are you surprised there were CIs there? Do you think that's wrong somehow?

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Yes. Why is the government spying on a political ralley?

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Because some of the individuals and groups had openly advocated violence.

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Excuses for monitoring the American people

The Federal gov. minions always come up with excuses like that for their increasingly tyrannical surveillance State spying on the Citizens of this Union

Remember when they were randomly spying on all our cell phone calls?

https://www.aclu.org/press-releases/new-documents-reveal-nsa-improperly-collected-americans-call-records-yet-again

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I oppose the cell phone surveillance.

I don't oppose using CIs for violent groups.

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Which groups with a history of violent acts were present for J6 and how did the government know they would be there creating the need to embed "FBI Assets"? How many of these "CIs" were embedded in BLM and other groups in the summer of 2020?

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Those were my questions ....

1. What groups present had a history of violence?
2, If the government was not spying on U.S. citizens, how did the government know who would be there?
3. Why are violent groups or allegedly violent groups treated differently?
4. Why are violent groups or allegedly violent groups prosecuted and punished differently?

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Most of the groups and organizers were publicizing their participation and promoting the protest on twitter and elsewhere. It was no secret.

I don't know whether there were more secretive groups that may have been monitored, although that would not surprise me.

Folks, this info is all over the place. There were many skin-head, militia, and other groups openly and proudly promoting J6 before, during, and after. Whether you like it or not, there are no doubt CIs involved in most of not all of these groups.

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I wonder where the CIs were positioned during the Summer of Love?

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Smack dab in the middle of Antifa and certain BLM groups.

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lol unlikely since they hardly ever made arrests of those groups

But again….you are ludicrously trusting of the unaccountable surveillance State

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Did you miss the 14,000 + number?

No, several of you have broadened your arguments, which is fine, but I have not. I'm arguing only that CIs in such groups is SOP. I'm waiting on "but Halliburton" ….

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14,000 arrests, how many were after the riot? How many led to convictions?

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I just spent 10 minutes on google. Arrests were made at various times, as you'd expect. It often takes time to determine the identities of perpetrators.

Charges ranged from misdemeanors to felonies. Hundreds were charged federally, and on average were sentenced to at least 2 years.

All that said, none of this has anything to do with whether CIs are SOP.

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So out of 14,000... hundreds were charged federally. 8 months of riots, over 500 riots, 21 people murdered, billions in damages to federal and private property yet only hundreds were charged and even fewer saw trial. Most of the 14,000 arrests led to dropped charges. The treatment between Jan 6 perps and BLM riot perps was worlds apart. There are zero reports of FBI informants embedded in BLM or Antifa. None.
Edit; I found an article that claims the FBI sent CIs into BLM to goad them into crime, too. Can't speak to the veracity of these claims but it disproves my theory if true. . https://www.yahoo.com/news/fbi-paid-informant-sow-discord-005000541.html

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On a side note, is this another example of the similarities of Trump and Reagan? I am sure Reagan would have led a riot and storming of the Capital, right

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Similar in that neither Trump nor Reagan ever ordered anyone to riot at the Capital

[The key sentence in the Jan. 6 Ellipse speech s this one:

"I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard."]

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[rolls eyes] Sure. He was a calming figure...

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FLBear5630 said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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Wangchung said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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Malbec said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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We have moved from the "it's not happening" stage and are now in the "okay it's happening but not enough to matter" stage. Next stage they will be saying "yes it happened and it's a good thing it happened."

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I don't recall anyone saying confidently that there were no CIs there. Anyone who would say that is clueless.

Are you surprised there were CIs there? Do you think that's wrong somehow?

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Yes. Why is the government spying on a political ralley?

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Because some of the individuals and groups had openly advocated violence.

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Excuses for monitoring the American people

The Federal gov. minions always come up with excuses like that for their increasingly tyrannical surveillance State spying on the Citizens of this Union

Remember when they were randomly spying on all our cell phone calls?

https://www.aclu.org/press-releases/new-documents-reveal-nsa-improperly-collected-americans-call-records-yet-again

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I oppose the cell phone surveillance.

I don't oppose using CIs for violent groups.

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Which groups with a history of violent acts were present for J6 and how did the government know they would be there creating the need to embed "FBI Assets"? How many of these "CIs" were embedded in BLM and other groups in the summer of 2020?

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Those were my questions ....

1. What groups present had a history of violence?
2, If the government was not spying on U.S. citizens, how did the government know who would be there?
3. Why are violent groups or allegedly violent groups treated differently?
4. Why are violent groups or allegedly violent groups prosecuted and punished differently?

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Most of the groups and organizers were publicizing their participation and promoting the protest on twitter and elsewhere. It was no secret.

I don't know whether there were more secretive groups that may have been monitored, although that would not surprise me.

Folks, this info is all over the place. There were many skin-head, militia, and other groups openly and proudly promoting J6 before, during, and after. Whether you like it or not, there are no doubt CIs involved in most of not all of these groups.

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I wonder where the CIs were positioned during the Summer of Love?

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Smack dab in the middle of Antifa and certain BLM groups.

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lol unlikely since they hardly ever made arrests of those groups

But again….you are ludicrously trusting of the unaccountable surveillance State

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Did you miss the 14,000 + number?

No, several of you have broadened your arguments, which is fine, but I have not. I'm arguing only that CIs in such groups is SOP. I'm waiting on "but Halliburton" ….

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14,000 arrests, how many were after the riot? How many led to convictions?

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I just spent 10 minutes on google. Arrests were made at various times, as you'd expect. It often takes time to determine the identities of perpetrators.

Charges ranged from misdemeanors to felonies. Hundreds were charged federally, and on average were sentenced to at least 2 years.

All that said, none of this has anything to do with whether CIs are SOP.

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So out of 14,000... hundreds were charged federally. 8 months of riots, over 500 riots, 21 people murdered, billions in damages to federal and private property yet only hundreds were charged and even fewer saw trial. Most of the 14,000 arrests led to dropped charges. The treatment between Jan 6 perps and BLM riot perps was worlds apart. There are zero reports of FBI informants embedded in BLM or Antifa. None.
Edit; I found an article that claims the FBI sent CIs into BLM to goad them into crime, too. Can't speak to the veracity of these claims but it disproves my theory if true. . https://www.yahoo.com/news/fbi-paid-informant-sow-discord-005000541.html

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On a side note, is this another example of the similarities of Trump and Reagan? I am sure Reagan would have led a riot and storming of the Capital, right

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Similar in that neither Trump nor Reagan ever ordered anyone to riot at the Capital

[The key sentence in the Jan. 6 Ellipse speech s this one:

"I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard."]

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[rolls eyes] Sure. He was a calming figure...

You can honestly say you can see Reagan on that stage as the Election he lost was being certified?

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This should surprise no one.

BREAKING: January 6 Inspector General Says at Least Two Dozen FBI Assets Were in the Crowd During Riot

https://pjmedia.com/victoria-taft/2024/12/12/the-january-6-inspector-generals-report-reveals-at-least-two-dozen-fbi-agents-in-crowd-n4935063

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FLBear5630 said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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It appears y'all are trying to goad me into saying I think all the J6 defendants were treated fairly, but you'll be sorely disappointed . . . .

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1. But they really were and you should be able to acknowledge that.

That is blatantly obvious


2. There were plenty of BLM related crimes/riot issues taking place under Federal jurisdiction (we are not talking State stuff)

Like the attack on the Federal Court House in Portland or the rioting in DC....all crimes that could have been charged to the max by the Feds if they had wanted.....crimes that had nothing to do with State authorities.

The Feds chose to either down grade and plead out those charges....or not bring charges at all.

While they have been hunting down every Jan. 6th person they could.....right now they are even floating the idea of brining charges against people that were there that day....but that did not even enter the Capitol building!

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I don't understand your first point. I agree many if not most were treated unfairly.

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You: "It appears y'all are trying to goad me into saying I think all the J6 defendants were treated fairly, but you'll be sorely disappointed . . . ."

Me: "I think all the J6 defendants were treated treated unfairly....the Feds came for all of them in a way they never did for BLM rioters"

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I still don't understand. You said the following right after I said J6-ers were treated unfairly:

1. But they really were and you should be able to acknowledge that.


That is blatantly obvious

Seems to clear to me we're in violent agreement on that. What am I missing?

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Hey not a violent argument at all!

It just seems that you think some of the J6 protestors were treated fairly by the Federal authorities.

I think they were ALL treated unfairly and all of them were charged to the Max....and then some.

(Heck one of the unarmed female protestors was shot dead)

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Violent agreement.

I see what you're saying now. I don't think ALL were mistreated. I have zero sympathy for the idiots who assaulted and battered cops.

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Anyone that went into the Capital, deserves what they get.

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sombear said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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sombear said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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sombear said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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sombear said:

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It appears y'all are trying to goad me into saying I think all the J6 defendants were treated fairly, but you'll be sorely disappointed . . . .

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1. But they really were and you should be able to acknowledge that.

That is blatantly obvious


2. There were plenty of BLM related crimes/riot issues taking place under Federal jurisdiction (we are not talking State stuff)

Like the attack on the Federal Court House in Portland or the rioting in DC....all crimes that could have been charged to the max by the Feds if they had wanted.....crimes that had nothing to do with State authorities.

The Feds chose to either down grade and plead out those charges....or not bring charges at all.

While they have been hunting down every Jan. 6th person they could.....right now they are even floating the idea of brining charges against people that were there that day....but that did not even enter the Capitol building!

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I don't understand your first point. I agree many if not most were treated unfairly.

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You: "It appears y'all are trying to goad me into saying I think all the J6 defendants were treated fairly, but you'll be sorely disappointed . . . ."

Me: "I think all the J6 defendants were treated treated unfairly....the Feds came for all of them in a way they never did for BLM rioters"

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I still don't understand. You said the following right after I said J6-ers were treated unfairly:

1. But they really were and you should be able to acknowledge that.


That is blatantly obvious

Seems to clear to me we're in violent agreement on that. What am I missing?

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Hey not a violent argument at all!

It just seems that you think some of the J6 protestors were treated fairly by the Federal authorities.

I think they were ALL treated unfairly and all of them were charged to the Max....and then some.

(Heck one of the unarmed female protestors was shot dead)

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Violent agreement.

I see what you're saying now. I don't think ALL were mistreated. I have zero sympathy for the idiots who assaulted and battered cops.

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Redbrickbear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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sombear said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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sombear said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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sombear said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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sombear said:

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It appears y'all are trying to goad me into saying I think all the J6 defendants were treated fairly, but you'll be sorely disappointed . . . .

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1. But they really were and you should be able to acknowledge that.

That is blatantly obvious


2. There were plenty of BLM related crimes/riot issues taking place under Federal jurisdiction (we are not talking State stuff)

Like the attack on the Federal Court House in Portland or the rioting in DC....all crimes that could have been charged to the max by the Feds if they had wanted.....crimes that had nothing to do with State authorities.

The Feds chose to either down grade and plead out those charges....or not bring charges at all.

While they have been hunting down every Jan. 6th person they could.....right now they are even floating the idea of brining charges against people that were there that day....but that did not even enter the Capitol building!

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I don't understand your first point. I agree many if not most were treated unfairly.

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You: "It appears y'all are trying to goad me into saying I think all the J6 defendants were treated fairly, but you'll be sorely disappointed . . . ."

Me: "I think all the J6 defendants were treated treated unfairly....the Feds came for all of them in a way they never did for BLM rioters"

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I still don't understand. You said the following right after I said J6-ers were treated unfairly:

1. But they really were and you should be able to acknowledge that.


That is blatantly obvious

Seems to clear to me we're in violent agreement on that. What am I missing?

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Hey not a violent argument at all!

It just seems that you think some of the J6 protestors were treated fairly by the Federal authorities.

I think they were ALL treated unfairly and all of them were charged to the Max....and then some.

(Heck one of the unarmed female protestors was shot dead)

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Violent agreement.

I see what you're saying now. I don't think ALL were mistreated. I have zero sympathy for the idiots who assaulted and battered cops.

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Anyone that went into the Capital, deserves what they get.

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Those people that peacefully entered their own national capital building "deserve what they got"?

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FLBear5630 said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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sombear said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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sombear said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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sombear said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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sombear said:

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It appears y'all are trying to goad me into saying I think all the J6 defendants were treated fairly, but you'll be sorely disappointed . . . .

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1. But they really were and you should be able to acknowledge that.

That is blatantly obvious


2. There were plenty of BLM related crimes/riot issues taking place under Federal jurisdiction (we are not talking State stuff)

Like the attack on the Federal Court House in Portland or the rioting in DC....all crimes that could have been charged to the max by the Feds if they had wanted.....crimes that had nothing to do with State authorities.

The Feds chose to either down grade and plead out those charges....or not bring charges at all.

While they have been hunting down every Jan. 6th person they could.....right now they are even floating the idea of brining charges against people that were there that day....but that did not even enter the Capitol building!

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I don't understand your first point. I agree many if not most were treated unfairly.

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You: "It appears y'all are trying to goad me into saying I think all the J6 defendants were treated fairly, but you'll be sorely disappointed . . . ."

Me: "I think all the J6 defendants were treated treated unfairly....the Feds came for all of them in a way they never did for BLM rioters"

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I still don't understand. You said the following right after I said J6-ers were treated unfairly:

1. But they really were and you should be able to acknowledge that.


That is blatantly obvious

Seems to clear to me we're in violent agreement on that. What am I missing?

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Hey not a violent argument at all!

It just seems that you think some of the J6 protestors were treated fairly by the Federal authorities.

I think they were ALL treated unfairly and all of them were charged to the Max....and then some.

(Heck one of the unarmed female protestors was shot dead)

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Violent agreement.

I see what you're saying now. I don't think ALL were mistreated. I have zero sympathy for the idiots who assaulted and battered cops.

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Anyone that went into the Capital, deserves what they get.

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Those people that peacefully entered their own national capital building "deserve what they got"?

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No, they were at best illegal entry and at the worst Assault.

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Redbrickbear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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sombear said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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sombear said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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sombear said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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sombear said:

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It appears y'all are trying to goad me into saying I think all the J6 defendants were treated fairly, but you'll be sorely disappointed . . . .

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1. But they really were and you should be able to acknowledge that.

That is blatantly obvious


2. There were plenty of BLM related crimes/riot issues taking place under Federal jurisdiction (we are not talking State stuff)

Like the attack on the Federal Court House in Portland or the rioting in DC....all crimes that could have been charged to the max by the Feds if they had wanted.....crimes that had nothing to do with State authorities.

The Feds chose to either down grade and plead out those charges....or not bring charges at all.

While they have been hunting down every Jan. 6th person they could.....right now they are even floating the idea of brining charges against people that were there that day....but that did not even enter the Capitol building!

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I don't understand your first point. I agree many if not most were treated unfairly.

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You: "It appears y'all are trying to goad me into saying I think all the J6 defendants were treated fairly, but you'll be sorely disappointed . . . ."

Me: "I think all the J6 defendants were treated treated unfairly....the Feds came for all of them in a way they never did for BLM rioters"

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I still don't understand. You said the following right after I said J6-ers were treated unfairly:

1. But they really were and you should be able to acknowledge that.


That is blatantly obvious

Seems to clear to me we're in violent agreement on that. What am I missing?

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Hey not a violent argument at all!

It just seems that you think some of the J6 protestors were treated fairly by the Federal authorities.

I think they were ALL treated unfairly and all of them were charged to the Max....and then some.

(Heck one of the unarmed female protestors was shot dead)

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Violent agreement.

I see what you're saying now. I don't think ALL were mistreated. I have zero sympathy for the idiots who assaulted and battered cops.

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Anyone that went into the Capital, deserves what they get.

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Those American citizens that peacefully entered their own national capital building "deserve what they got"?

You would have fit in well working for the KGB or Gestapo....

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FLBear5630 said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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sombear said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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sombear said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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sombear said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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sombear said:

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It appears y'all are trying to goad me into saying I think all the J6 defendants were treated fairly, but you'll be sorely disappointed . . . .

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1. But they really were and you should be able to acknowledge that.

That is blatantly obvious


2. There were plenty of BLM related crimes/riot issues taking place under Federal jurisdiction (we are not talking State stuff)

Like the attack on the Federal Court House in Portland or the rioting in DC....all crimes that could have been charged to the max by the Feds if they had wanted.....crimes that had nothing to do with State authorities.

The Feds chose to either down grade and plead out those charges....or not bring charges at all.

While they have been hunting down every Jan. 6th person they could.....right now they are even floating the idea of brining charges against people that were there that day....but that did not even enter the Capitol building!

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I don't understand your first point. I agree many if not most were treated unfairly.

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You: "It appears y'all are trying to goad me into saying I think all the J6 defendants were treated fairly, but you'll be sorely disappointed . . . ."

Me: "I think all the J6 defendants were treated treated unfairly....the Feds came for all of them in a way they never did for BLM rioters"

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I still don't understand. You said the following right after I said J6-ers were treated unfairly:

1. But they really were and you should be able to acknowledge that.


That is blatantly obvious

Seems to clear to me we're in violent agreement on that. What am I missing?

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Hey not a violent argument at all!

It just seems that you think some of the J6 protestors were treated fairly by the Federal authorities.

I think they were ALL treated unfairly and all of them were charged to the Max....and then some.

(Heck one of the unarmed female protestors was shot dead)

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Violent agreement.

I see what you're saying now. I don't think ALL were mistreated. I have zero sympathy for the idiots who assaulted and battered cops.

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Anyone that went into the Capital, deserves what they get.

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Those people that peacefully entered their own national capital building "deserve what they got"?

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No, they were at best illegal entry and at the worst Assault.

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1. 99% of the protestors who entered into that Capital building engaged in NO assault of anyone...they committed no damage......and that is proven because the best charge the Fed thugs can come up with try and get them is "unlawful parading"

2. Opens up a whole question on if the peoples house has a right to be close to the people at all. (vs just the chamber were business is conducted).....the people after all pay for that building, pay for the salaries of the workers in that building, and the business of the Republic is supposed to be open to the people.

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They went in when it was closed in the middle of a riot, a cop died. Come on, what did they expect?

Really? The taxpayers paid for it so you should be able to go in whenever you want? Where is the line drawn? Or do you want to defund the Police? The Police have no authority to safeguard elected officials? Didn't you guys rail on the Secret Service for not restricting access in PA? Or the Congressional Softball game?

Word of advice, it thee is a riot going on go the other direction. The selfie is not worth it.

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FLBear5630 said:

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Wangchung said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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GrowlTowel said:

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sombear said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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Malbec said:

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sombear said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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sombear said:

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GrowlTowel said:

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sombear said:

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Wangchung said:

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We have moved from the "it's not happening" stage and are now in the "okay it's happening but not enough to matter" stage. Next stage they will be saying "yes it happened and it's a good thing it happened."

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I don't recall anyone saying confidently that there were no CIs there. Anyone who would say that is clueless.

Are you surprised there were CIs there? Do you think that's wrong somehow?

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Yes. Why is the government spying on a political ralley?

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Because some of the individuals and groups had openly advocated violence.

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Excuses for monitoring the American people

The Federal gov. minions always come up with excuses like that for their increasingly tyrannical surveillance State spying on the Citizens of this Union

Remember when they were randomly spying on all our cell phone calls?

https://www.aclu.org/press-releases/new-documents-reveal-nsa-improperly-collected-americans-call-records-yet-again

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I oppose the cell phone surveillance.

I don't oppose using CIs for violent groups.

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Which groups with a history of violent acts were present for J6 and how did the government know they would be there creating the need to embed "FBI Assets"? How many of these "CIs" were embedded in BLM and other groups in the summer of 2020?

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Those were my questions ....

1. What groups present had a history of violence?
2, If the government was not spying on U.S. citizens, how did the government know who would be there?
3. Why are violent groups or allegedly violent groups treated differently?
4. Why are violent groups or allegedly violent groups prosecuted and punished differently?

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Most of the groups and organizers were publicizing their participation and promoting the protest on twitter and elsewhere. It was no secret.

I don't know whether there were more secretive groups that may have been monitored, although that would not surprise me.

Folks, this info is all over the place. There were many skin-head, militia, and other groups openly and proudly promoting J6 before, during, and after. Whether you like it or not, there are no doubt CIs involved in most of not all of these groups.

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I wonder where the CIs were positioned during the Summer of Love?

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Smack dab in the middle of Antifa and certain BLM groups.

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lol unlikely since they hardly ever made arrests of those groups

But again….you are ludicrously trusting of the unaccountable surveillance State

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Did you miss the 14,000 + number?

No, several of you have broadened your arguments, which is fine, but I have not. I'm arguing only that CIs in such groups is SOP. I'm waiting on "but Halliburton" ….

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14,000 arrests, how many were after the riot? How many led to convictions?

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I just spent 10 minutes on google. Arrests were made at various times, as you'd expect. It often takes time to determine the identities of perpetrators.

Charges ranged from misdemeanors to felonies. Hundreds were charged federally, and on average were sentenced to at least 2 years.

All that said, none of this has anything to do with whether CIs are SOP.

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So out of 14,000... hundreds were charged federally. 8 months of riots, over 500 riots, 21 people murdered, billions in damages to federal and private property yet only hundreds were charged and even fewer saw trial. Most of the 14,000 arrests led to dropped charges. The treatment between Jan 6 perps and BLM riot perps was worlds apart. There are zero reports of FBI informants embedded in BLM or Antifa. None.
Edit; I found an article that claims the FBI sent CIs into BLM to goad them into crime, too. Can't speak to the veracity of these claims but it disproves my theory if true. . https://www.yahoo.com/news/fbi-paid-informant-sow-discord-005000541.html

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You don't see a difference with State level riots or a Courthouse in Spokane and storming the Capital during election certification? Those are equal in your eyes?

You are surprised there was more Fed presence? You are surprised that the Feds would come down harder on storming the Capital with Congress in session vs a Courthouse in Portland being damaged? Reilly?

What world do you guys live? Or is this just melodramatics? They stormed the Capital of course they are going to throw the book at them. Jan 6th was wrong, period. There is no discussion. They are lucky they got off as easy as they did.

On a side note, is this another example of the similarities of Trump and Reagan? I am sure Reagan would have led a riot and storming of the Capital, right

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This should surprise no one.

BREAKING: January 6 Inspector General Says at Least Two Dozen FBI Assets Were in the Crowd During Riot

https://pjmedia.com/victoria-taft/2024/12/12/the-january-6-inspector-generals-report-reveals-at-least-two-dozen-fbi-agents-in-crowd-n4935063

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[And why only the FBI? What about DHS? HSI? D.C. Metropolitan Police Department? Secret Service? CIA?

Why limit the discussion only to the FBI?

When Jeremy Brown was pressured to become an informant, his "Ring" doorbell camera records the government employees saying they were from "HSI" not the FBI.]

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It appears y'all are trying to goad me into saying I think all the J6 defendants were treated fairly, but you'll be sorely disappointed . . . .

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1. But they really were and you should be able to acknowledge that.

That is blatantly obvious


2. There were plenty of BLM related crimes/riot issues taking place under Federal jurisdiction (we are not talking State stuff)

Like the attack on the Federal Court House in Portland or the rioting in DC....all crimes that could have been charged to the max by the Feds if they had wanted.....crimes that had nothing to do with State authorities.

The Feds chose to either down grade and plead out those charges....or not bring charges at all.

While they have been hunting down every Jan. 6th person they could.....right now they are even floating the idea of brining charges against people that were there that day....but that did not even enter the Capitol building!

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I don't understand your first point. I agree many if not most were treated unfairly.

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You: "It appears y'all are trying to goad me into saying I think all the J6 defendants were treated fairly, but you'll be sorely disappointed . . . ."

Me: "I think all the J6 defendants were treated treated unfairly....the Feds came for all of them in a way they never did for BLM rioters"

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I still don't understand. You said the following right after I said J6-ers were treated unfairly:

1. But they really were and you should be able to acknowledge that.


That is blatantly obvious

Seems to clear to me we're in violent agreement on that. What am I missing?

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Hey not a violent argument at all!

It just seems that you think some of the J6 protestors were treated fairly by the Federal authorities.

I think they were ALL treated unfairly and all of them were charged to the Max....and then some.

(Heck one of the unarmed female protestors was shot dead)

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Violent agreement.

I see what you're saying now. I don't think ALL were mistreated. I have zero sympathy for the idiots who assaulted and battered cops.

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Anyone that went into the Capital, deserves what they get.

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Those American citizens that peacefully entered their own national capital building "deserve what they got"?

You would have fit in well working for the KGB or Gestapo....

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Not gonna lie, I'm a little afraid of Granny on the far left.

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We have moved from the "it's not happening" stage and are now in the "okay it's happening but not enough to matter" stage. Next stage they will be saying "yes it happened and it's a good thing it happened."

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I don't recall anyone saying confidently that there were no CIs there. Anyone who would say that is clueless.

Are you surprised there were CIs there? Do you think that's wrong somehow?

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Yes. Why is the government spying on a political ralley?

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Because some of the individuals and groups had openly advocated violence.

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Excuses for monitoring the American people

The Federal gov. minions always come up with excuses like that for their increasingly tyrannical surveillance State spying on the Citizens of this Union

Remember when they were randomly spying on all our cell phone calls?

https://www.aclu.org/press-releases/new-documents-reveal-nsa-improperly-collected-americans-call-records-yet-again

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I oppose the cell phone surveillance.

I don't oppose using CIs for violent groups.

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Which groups with a history of violent acts were present for J6 and how did the government know they would be there creating the need to embed "FBI Assets"? How many of these "CIs" were embedded in BLM and other groups in the summer of 2020?

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Those were my questions ....

1. What groups present had a history of violence?
2, If the government was not spying on U.S. citizens, how did the government know who would be there?
3. Why are violent groups or allegedly violent groups treated differently?
4. Why are violent groups or allegedly violent groups prosecuted and punished differently?

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Most of the groups and organizers were publicizing their participation and promoting the protest on twitter and elsewhere. It was no secret.

I don't know whether there were more secretive groups that may have been monitored, although that would not surprise me.

Folks, this info is all over the place. There were many skin-head, militia, and other groups openly and proudly promoting J6 before, during, and after. Whether you like it or not, there are no doubt CIs involved in most of not all of these groups.

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I wonder where the CIs were positioned during the Summer of Love?

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Smack dab in the middle of Antifa and certain BLM groups.

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lol unlikely since they hardly ever made arrests of those groups

But again….you are ludicrously trusting of the unaccountable surveillance State

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Did you miss the 14,000 + number?

No, several of you have broadened your arguments, which is fine, but I have not. I'm arguing only that CIs in such groups is SOP. I'm waiting on "but Halliburton" ….

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14,000 arrests, how many were after the riot? How many led to convictions?

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I just spent 10 minutes on google. Arrests were made at various times, as you'd expect. It often takes time to determine the identities of perpetrators.

Charges ranged from misdemeanors to felonies. Hundreds were charged federally, and on average were sentenced to at least 2 years.

All that said, none of this has anything to do with whether CIs are SOP.

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So out of 14,000... hundreds were charged federally. 8 months of riots, over 500 riots, 21 people murdered, billions in damages to federal and private property yet only hundreds were charged and even fewer saw trial. Most of the 14,000 arrests led to dropped charges. The treatment between Jan 6 perps and BLM riot perps was worlds apart. There are zero reports of FBI informants embedded in BLM or Antifa. None.
Edit; I found an article that claims the FBI sent CIs into BLM to goad them into crime, too. Can't speak to the veracity of these claims but it disproves my theory if true. . https://www.yahoo.com/news/fbi-paid-informant-sow-discord-005000541.html

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On a side note, is this another example of the similarities of Trump and Reagan? I am sure Reagan would have led a riot and storming of the Capital, right

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Similar in that neither Trump nor Reagan ever ordered anyone to riot at the Capital

[The key sentence in the Jan. 6 Ellipse speech s this one:

"I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard."]

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[rolls eyes] Sure. He was a calming figure...

You can honestly say you can see Reagan on that stage as the Election he lost was being certified?

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