So, Matt Gaetz is in fact a d bag

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Mothra
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While I typically take these sorts of congressional reports with a huge grain of salt, it's clear based on the corroborating witnesses this guy is a huge d bag.

https://nypost.com/2024/12/23/us-news/matt-gaetz-used-illicit-drugs-while-paying-for-sex-with-multiple-women-including-17-year-old-ethics-probe/

Matt Gaetz used illicit drugs while paying for sex with multiple women including 17-year-old, ethics probe finds

Former Rep. Matt Gaetz was allegedly found to have used illegal drugs like cocaine and ecstasy while paying for sex with multiple women including a 17-year-old high school junior he had sex with in front of other people, according to a damning draft of the House Ethics Committee report.

The 37-page investigation conclusion alleged that Gaetz refused to comply with a subpoena demanding an interview and "intentionally withheld information," according to a copy obtained by Just the News.

Still, "the Committee determined there is substantial evidence that Representative Gaetz violated House Rules and other standards of conduct prohibiting prostitution, statutory rape, illicit drug use, impermissible gifts, special favors or privileges, and obstruction of Congress," it alleged.

"From 2017 to 2020, Representative Gaetz made tens of thousands of dollars in payments to women that the Committee determined were likely in connection with sexual activity and/or drug use," it alleged.

The committee said that it received testimony indicating that at a party in 2017, Gaetz engaged in sexual acts with "Victim A," who was just 17 years old and had recently completed her junior year in high school.

Gaetz had sex twice during the party, including at least once in the presence of other party attendees," the draft report alleged.

"Victim A said that she did not inform Representative Gaetz that she was under 18 at the time, nor did he ask her age," it said stressing that the girl not telling him her age does not matter under Florida law.
However, the investigation did not think Gaetz violated sex trafficking laws.

[url=https://nypost.com/2024/12/18/us-news/gaetz-admits-he-partied-womanized-and-drank-but-denies-having-sex-with-minor-ahead-of-ethics-reports-release/][/url]Matt Gaetz admits he partied, womanized and drank but denies having sex with minor ahead of ethics report's release
[url=https://nypost.com/2024/12/18/us-news/gaetz-admits-he-partied-womanized-and-drank-but-denies-having-sex-with-minor-ahead-of-ethics-reports-release/][/url]
Gaetz confirmed to Just the News late Sunday that the draft matched details he was told would be in it.
He denied the allegations, saying any payments were gifts to girlfriends and again noting that no charges had ever been brought.

He maintained that allegations he "may have engaged in sexual misconduct including violations of federal laws relating to sex trafficking and state laws relating to prostitution and statutory rape," were "false" and that "[t]hese allegations were investigated by the Department of Justice and the investigation was completely dropped."

He also denied using illicit drugs and having sex with a minor.

Among the report's most shocking findings were allegations of drug- and sex-fueled parties, including a 2018 trip to the Bahamas where witnesses claimed he used ecstasy and had sexual encounters with four women.
The report indicated that the women who testified about their sexual encounters with Gaetz said it was consensual.

However, one noted that drug use at the parties might have "impair[ed their] ability to really know what was going on or fully consent," while another said, "When I look back on certain moments, I feel violated."

"Victim A recalled receiving $400 in cash from Representative Gaetz that evening, which she understood to be payment for sex," the committee wrote.

The report also allegedly found "substantial evidence" of Gaetz's illicit drug use.

The committee said it obtained text messages he sent referring to drugs as "party favors," "rolls" or "vitamins."
The investigation also found Gaetz created a fake email from his Capitol Hill office "for the purpose of purchasing marijuana," it alleged.
STxBear81
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He a sex addict ? Drug addict ? Pedophile
muddybrazos
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STxBear81 said:

He a sex addict ? Drug addict ? Pedophile
A 17 year old doesnt make you a pedo but it does make you a sketchy person. The age of consent in Texas is 17 btw so its not even illegal. Still its a pretty bad look. Coke and X is par for the course for congress or the senate as is hiring sex workers or having them sent to you for blackmail purposes.
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I agree. Just got ahead of myself w speculating. Which proves nothing
william
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meh... all that is SOP for a large %age of those scumbags and has been for a long time.

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He could have been a "contendah"!!! In fact he was the "contendah"!! To DJT just another case of nitro to blow up Washington.
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william said:

meh... all that is SOP for a large %age of those scumbags and has been for a long time.

- KKM

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Correct

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Why is this released but no Epstein names yet????
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muddybrazos said:

STxBear81 said:

He a sex addict ? Drug addict ? Pedophile
A 17 year old doesnt make you a pedo but it does make you a sketchy person. The age of consent in Texas is 17 btw so its not even illegal. Still its a pretty bad look. Coke and X is par for the course for congress or the senate as is hiring sex workers or having them sent to you for blackmail purposes.


The age of consent in Florida though is 18
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So all the same allegations they couldn't produce any evidence for previously?
Our vibrations were getting nasty. But why? I was puzzled, frustrated... Had we deteriorated to the level of dumb beasts?

J.R.
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As you MAGAs would say "Groomer"! Nah , he's a straight up Pedophile. If that was my daughter, he'd be in Prison or mysteriously disappeared .
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In the Trump era, it really doesn't matter. The vast majority of MAGA will defend him. Heck, Trump knew every letter of this and more and still nominated him for freaking AG.

Character matters or it doesn't.
Married A Horn
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If true, he should go to jail.

But pardon us for wanting evidence before we convict in the public court of opinion after the countless lies and false charges the evil left have thrown up.

Nobody on the right will defend this.
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Married A Horn said:

If true, he should go to jail.

But pardon us for wanting evidence before we convict in the public court of opinion after the countless lies and false charges the evil left have thrown up.

Nobody on the right will defend this.
Exactly. These leftists have zero credibility with which to levy any unfounded charges against Republicans. Show some evidence or stfu.
Our vibrations were getting nasty. But why? I was puzzled, frustrated... Had we deteriorated to the level of dumb beasts?

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KaiBear said:

william said:

meh... all that is SOP for a large %age of those scumbags and has been for a long time.

- KKM

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Go Bears!





Correct

Waiting for Starbucks.


Go Rams !


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Mothra
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So, the House Ethics Committee is bipartisan, and it was the Republican-controlled house that decided to release the findings. I think this speaks volumes.
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Summary from Fox News anchor


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Mothra said:

So, the House Ethics Committee is bipartisan, and it was the Republican-controlled house that decided to release the findings. I think this speaks volumes.

Well it was more complicated than that....

Two Republicans crossed over to vote with the Democrats....over the objections of the House leader and the committee leader.

[Reps. Dave Joyce (R-Ohio) and Andrew Garbarino (R-N.Y.) sided with the committee's five Democrats in voting to release the report, two sources familiar with the matter told Axios.

  • Chair Michael Guest (R-Miss.), along with Reps. Michelle Fischbach (R-Minn.) and John Rutherford (R-Fla.), opposed doing so, arguing the panel lost jurisdiction after Gaetz resigned, the sources said.
  • It was a reversal from when the committee split along party lines in a November vote on releasing the report, thus keeping it under wraps.

What they're saying: Guest, in a statement after the report was released on Monday, confirmed that he "did not vote to support the release of the report."

  • "I take great exception that the majority deviated from the Committee's well-established standards and voted to release a report on an individual no longer under the Committee's jurisdiction," he said.]

one has to wonder if situation would have been the same if it was Democrat that was under House investigation...would several Democrats have crossed over to vote with the Republicans?
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Redbrickbear said:

Mothra said:

So, the House Ethics Committee is bipartisan, and it was the Republican-controlled house that decided to release the findings. I think this speaks volumes.

Well it was more complicated than that....

Two Republicans crossed over to vote with the Democrats....over the objections of the House leader and the committee leader.

[Reps. Dave Joyce (R-Ohio) and Andrew Garbarino (R-N.Y.) sided with the committee's five Democrats in voting to release the report, two sources familiar with the matter told Axios.

  • Chair Michael Guest (R-Miss.), along with Reps. Michelle Fischbach (R-Minn.) and John Rutherford (R-Fla.), opposed doing so, arguing the panel lost jurisdiction after Gaetz resigned, the sources said.
  • It was a reversal from when the committee split along party lines in a November vote on releasing the report, thus keeping it under wraps.
What they're saying: Guest, in a statement after the report was released on Monday, confirmed that he "did not vote to support the release of the report."

  • "I take great exception that the majority deviated from the Committee's well-established standards and voted to release a report on an individual no longer under the Committee's jurisdiction," he said.]

one has to wonder if situation would have been the same if it was Democrat that was under House investigation...would several Democrats have crossed over to vote with the Republicans?
We know the answer to that is HELL NO. I wouldnt be surprised if Kevin Mccarthy sent some money to these two to persuade them. I know he vowed to ruin all the freedom caucus people.
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That would be about right
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Wangchung said:

Married A Horn said:

If true, he should go to jail.

But pardon us for wanting evidence before we convict in the public court of opinion after the countless lies and false charges the evil left have thrown up.

Nobody on the right will defend this.
Exactly. These leftists have zero credibility with which to levy any unfounded charges against Republicans. Show some evidence or stfu.
You are so full of *****

It is a Committee of the US Congress, 50% Republican, 50% Democrat, not some egghead journalist.

Read the damned report. I dare you. None of you will because you can't stomach what you've caused by voting without regard to any sense of integrity or rectitude.

Amongst the evidence:

1. Cash reimbursements with at least 13 women immediately following sexual liaisons totaling over $100 K in less than a year and a half, one of the 13 a "finder" who procured other women for Gaetz. P. 14

2. "Based on the evidentiary record, the Committee identified at least 20 occasions from the beginning of 2017 through the middle of 2020 where there was substantial evidence that representative Gaetz met with women who were paid for sex and/or drugs."

3. Testimony of the "girlfriend" who rounded up sexual trysts for Gaetz. P. 14

4. Testimony of the 17 year old who he drugged and boffed.

5. Testimony of several guests attending the party where he publicly drugged and boffed the 17-year old P. 14, p. 16.

6. The direct text messages by Gaetz: "Text messages obtained by the Committee show that Representative Gaetz would also ask women to bring drugs to their rendezvous, in some instances requesting marijuana cartridges and repaying the women directly, but in other cases requesting 'a full compliment [sic] of party favors," 'vitamins', or 'rolls."

7. "$400 is not a problem, Are you both old enough to drink?"

8. Gaetz denying that he knew one of the women, despite taking a selfie with her and paying her $600 cash that day. P. 19.

9. "Victim A (the 17 year old) recalled receiving $400 in cash from Representative Gaetz that evening, which she understood to be payment for sex. At the time, she had just completed her junior year of high school." p. 22.

10. "...Representative Gaetz generally denied engaging in sexual activity with a minor, but refused to answer specific questions relating to his interactions with Victim A." p. 23

11. "The Committee's September 4 letter, however, specifically asked him whether he was present at the July 15, 2017 party at Mr. Dorworth's, whether he ever engaged in sexual activity with Victim A and when, and whether he ever gave Victim A money directly or indirectly, and if so, for what purpose. Representative Gaetz did not answer any of those questions." p. 24.

12. "There is substantial evidence that Representative Gaetz engaged in sexual activity with a 17-year-old-girl. The Committee received credible testimony from Victim A herse;f, as well as multiple individuals corroborating the allegation. Several of those witnesses have also testified under oath before a federal grand jury and in a civil litigation." p. 31

Gaetz was given the opportunity to specifically rebut every single one of the charges brought against him by the Committee, but refused to do so. P. 2, 10, 13, 14, 19, 24, 28, 32.

What they had on him was the tip of the iceberg. Most women didn't cooperate at all. "The Committee received additional evidence from Mr. Greenberg that is not included in this Report, much of it salacious but unverifiable, although consistent with the nature of the conduct that the Committee learned of from other witnesses."

This was your proposed attorney general. I'm a Republican, have been my entire life, and I am horrifically embarrassed and disgusted by what I've seen under the "R." When we turn off the integrity meter and vote for ****s like Matt Gaetz, we get exactly what we deserve.
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1713 Baylor said:

Wangchung said:

Married A Horn said:

If true, he should go to jail.

But pardon us for wanting evidence before we convict in the public court of opinion after the countless lies and false charges the evil left have thrown up.

Nobody on the right will defend this.
Exactly. These leftists have zero credibility with which to levy any unfounded charges against Republicans. Show some evidence or stfu.
You are so full of *****

It is a Committee of the US Congress, 50% Republican, 50% Democrat, not some egghead journalist.

Read the damned report. I dare you. None of you will because you can't stomach what you've caused by voting without regard to any sense of integrity or rectitude.

Amongst the evidence:

1. Cash reimbursements with at least 13 women immediately following sexual liaisons totaling over $100 K in less than a year and a half, one of the 13 a "finder" who procured other women for Gaetz. P. 14

2. "Based on the evidentiary record, the Committee identified at least 20 occasions from the beginning of 2017 through the middle of 2020 where there was substantial evidence that representative Gaetz met with women who were paid for sex and/or drugs."

3. Testimony of the "girlfriend" who rounded up sexual trysts for Gaetz. P. 14

4. Testimony of the 17 year old who he drugged and boffed.

5. Testimony of several guests attending the party where he publicly drugged and boffed the 17-year old P. 14, p. 16.

6. The direct text messages by Gaetz: "Text messages obtained by the Committee show that Representative Gaetz would also ask women to bring drugs to their rendezvous, in some instances requesting marijuana cartridges and repaying the women directly, but in other cases requesting 'a full compliment [sic] of party favors," 'vitamins', or 'rolls."

7. "$400 is not a problem, Are you both old enough to drink?"

8. Gaetz denying that he knew one of the women, despite taking a selfie with her and paying her $600 cash that day. P. 19.

9. "Victim A (the 17 year old) recalled receiving $400 in cash from Representative Gaetz that evening, which she understood to be payment for sex. At the time, she had just completed her junior year of high school." p. 22.

10. "...Representative Gaetz generally denied engaging in sexual activity with a minor, but refused to answer specific questions relating to his interactions with Victim A." p. 23

11. "The Committee's September 4 letter, however, specifically asked him whether he was present at the July 15, 2017 party at Mr. Dorworth's, whether he ever engaged in sexual activity with Victim A and when, and whether he ever gave Victim A money directly or indirectly, and if so, for what purpose. Representative Gaetz did not answer any of those questions." p. 24.

12. "There is substantial evidence that Representative Gaetz engaged in sexual activity with a 17-year-old-girl. The Committee received credible testimony from Victim A herse;f, as well as multiple individuals corroborating the allegation. Several of those witnesses have also testified under oath before a federal grand jury and in a civil litigation." p. 31

Gaetz was given the opportunity to specifically rebut every single one of the charges brought against him by the Committee, but refused to do so. P. 2, 10, 13, 14, 19, 24, 28, 32.

What they had on him was the tip of the iceberg. Most women didn't cooperate at all. "The Committee received additional evidence from Mr. Greenberg that is not included in this Report, much of it salacious but unverifiable, although consistent with the nature of the conduct that the Committee learned of from other witnesses."

This was your proposed attorney general. I'm a Republican, have been my entire life, and I am horrifically embarrassed and disgusted by what I've seen under the "R." When we turn off the integrity meter and vote for ****s like Matt Gaetz, we get exactly what we deserve.

Yes, those are the allegations from the report, not evidence. Ask yourself why there wasn't enough evidence to convict him in an actual court of law. Then come back and converse like an adult.
Our vibrations were getting nasty. But why? I was puzzled, frustrated... Had we deteriorated to the level of dumb beasts?

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Wangchung said:

1713 Baylor said:

Wangchung said:

Married A Horn said:

If true, he should go to jail.

But pardon us for wanting evidence before we convict in the public court of opinion after the countless lies and false charges the evil left have thrown up.

Nobody on the right will defend this.
Exactly. These leftists have zero credibility with which to levy any unfounded charges against Republicans. Show some evidence or stfu.
You are so full of *****

It is a Committee of the US Congress, 50% Republican, 50% Democrat, not some egghead journalist.

Read the damned report. I dare you. None of you will because you can't stomach what you've caused by voting without regard to any sense of integrity or rectitude.

Amongst the evidence:

1. Cash reimbursements with at least 13 women immediately following sexual liaisons totaling over $100 K in less than a year and a half, one of the 13 a "finder" who procured other women for Gaetz. P. 14

2. "Based on the evidentiary record, the Committee identified at least 20 occasions from the beginning of 2017 through the middle of 2020 where there was substantial evidence that representative Gaetz met with women who were paid for sex and/or drugs."

3. Testimony of the "girlfriend" who rounded up sexual trysts for Gaetz. P. 14

4. Testimony of the 17 year old who he drugged and boffed.

5. Testimony of several guests attending the party where he publicly drugged and boffed the 17-year old P. 14, p. 16.

6. The direct text messages by Gaetz: "Text messages obtained by the Committee show that Representative Gaetz would also ask women to bring drugs to their rendezvous, in some instances requesting marijuana cartridges and repaying the women directly, but in other cases requesting 'a full compliment [sic] of party favors," 'vitamins', or 'rolls."

7. "$400 is not a problem, Are you both old enough to drink?"

8. Gaetz denying that he knew one of the women, despite taking a selfie with her and paying her $600 cash that day. P. 19.

9. "Victim A (the 17 year old) recalled receiving $400 in cash from Representative Gaetz that evening, which she understood to be payment for sex. At the time, she had just completed her junior year of high school." p. 22.

10. "...Representative Gaetz generally denied engaging in sexual activity with a minor, but refused to answer specific questions relating to his interactions with Victim A." p. 23

11. "The Committee's September 4 letter, however, specifically asked him whether he was present at the July 15, 2017 party at Mr. Dorworth's, whether he ever engaged in sexual activity with Victim A and when, and whether he ever gave Victim A money directly or indirectly, and if so, for what purpose. Representative Gaetz did not answer any of those questions." p. 24.

12. "There is substantial evidence that Representative Gaetz engaged in sexual activity with a 17-year-old-girl. The Committee received credible testimony from Victim A herse;f, as well as multiple individuals corroborating the allegation. Several of those witnesses have also testified under oath before a federal grand jury and in a civil litigation." p. 31

Gaetz was given the opportunity to specifically rebut every single one of the charges brought against him by the Committee, but refused to do so. P. 2, 10, 13, 14, 19, 24, 28, 32.

What they had on him was the tip of the iceberg. Most women didn't cooperate at all. "The Committee received additional evidence from Mr. Greenberg that is not included in this Report, much of it salacious but unverifiable, although consistent with the nature of the conduct that the Committee learned of from other witnesses."

This was your proposed attorney general. I'm a Republican, have been my entire life, and I am horrifically embarrassed and disgusted by what I've seen under the "R." When we turn off the integrity meter and vote for ****s like Matt Gaetz, we get exactly what we deserve.

Yes, those are the allegations from the report, not evidence. Ask yourself why there wasn't enough evidence to convict him in an actual court of law. Then come back and converse like an adult.
Six people see him boff the 17 year old and those are "allegations".

The cash trail leads directly to him on systematic payments, and those are "allegations"

The women testify under oath that it was pay for sex, and those are "allegations."

His own texts characterize it as sex for pay and wonder out loud if they're old enough to drink, but those are just "allegations."

As for prosecution, he should be prosecuted. Why not? Maybe a Republican DA in Orlando doesn't want to take on a sitting Congressman? Maybe the women are threatened (many were)? Maybe the rot extends to state prosecutors? My proposition stands, you can ignore this all you want, and it will just keep getting worse until the stench kills us all.

The very best spin that can be put on all this is that the President Elect's chief of staff had the good sense to nominate Gaetz so that he had to resign his role in Congress knowing this crap was coming out and he'd never be confirmed, and therefore wouldn't be a perpetual pain in the ass as a Representative in Congress. If so, touche', that's a Svengali-quality move. One Trump doesn't have the brains or patience to carry out.
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sombear said:

In the Trump era, it really doesn't matter. The vast majority of MAGA will defend him. Heck, Trump knew every letter of this and more and still nominated him for freaking AG.

Character matters or it doesn't.
since the news came out, I've yet to see anyone defend him. Have you?
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1713 Baylor said:

Wangchung said:

1713 Baylor said:

Wangchung said:

Married A Horn said:

If true, he should go to jail.

But pardon us for wanting evidence before we convict in the public court of opinion after the countless lies and false charges the evil left have thrown up.

Nobody on the right will defend this.
Exactly. These leftists have zero credibility with which to levy any unfounded charges against Republicans. Show some evidence or stfu.
You are so full of *****

It is a Committee of the US Congress, 50% Republican, 50% Democrat, not some egghead journalist.

Read the damned report. I dare you. None of you will because you can't stomach what you've caused by voting without regard to any sense of integrity or rectitude.

Amongst the evidence:

1. Cash reimbursements with at least 13 women immediately following sexual liaisons totaling over $100 K in less than a year and a half, one of the 13 a "finder" who procured other women for Gaetz. P. 14

2. "Based on the evidentiary record, the Committee identified at least 20 occasions from the beginning of 2017 through the middle of 2020 where there was substantial evidence that representative Gaetz met with women who were paid for sex and/or drugs."

3. Testimony of the "girlfriend" who rounded up sexual trysts for Gaetz. P. 14

4. Testimony of the 17 year old who he drugged and boffed.

5. Testimony of several guests attending the party where he publicly drugged and boffed the 17-year old P. 14, p. 16.

6. The direct text messages by Gaetz: "Text messages obtained by the Committee show that Representative Gaetz would also ask women to bring drugs to their rendezvous, in some instances requesting marijuana cartridges and repaying the women directly, but in other cases requesting 'a full compliment [sic] of party favors," 'vitamins', or 'rolls."

7. "$400 is not a problem, Are you both old enough to drink?"

8. Gaetz denying that he knew one of the women, despite taking a selfie with her and paying her $600 cash that day. P. 19.

9. "Victim A (the 17 year old) recalled receiving $400 in cash from Representative Gaetz that evening, which she understood to be payment for sex. At the time, she had just completed her junior year of high school." p. 22.

10. "...Representative Gaetz generally denied engaging in sexual activity with a minor, but refused to answer specific questions relating to his interactions with Victim A." p. 23

11. "The Committee's September 4 letter, however, specifically asked him whether he was present at the July 15, 2017 party at Mr. Dorworth's, whether he ever engaged in sexual activity with Victim A and when, and whether he ever gave Victim A money directly or indirectly, and if so, for what purpose. Representative Gaetz did not answer any of those questions." p. 24.

12. "There is substantial evidence that Representative Gaetz engaged in sexual activity with a 17-year-old-girl. The Committee received credible testimony from Victim A herse;f, as well as multiple individuals corroborating the allegation. Several of those witnesses have also testified under oath before a federal grand jury and in a civil litigation." p. 31

Gaetz was given the opportunity to specifically rebut every single one of the charges brought against him by the Committee, but refused to do so. P. 2, 10, 13, 14, 19, 24, 28, 32.

What they had on him was the tip of the iceberg. Most women didn't cooperate at all. "The Committee received additional evidence from Mr. Greenberg that is not included in this Report, much of it salacious but unverifiable, although consistent with the nature of the conduct that the Committee learned of from other witnesses."

This was your proposed attorney general. I'm a Republican, have been my entire life, and I am horrifically embarrassed and disgusted by what I've seen under the "R." When we turn off the integrity meter and vote for ****s like Matt Gaetz, we get exactly what we deserve.

Yes, those are the allegations from the report, not evidence. Ask yourself why there wasn't enough evidence to convict him in an actual court of law. Then come back and converse like an adult.
Six people see him boff the 17 year old and those are "allegations".

The cash trail leads directly to him on systematic payments, and those are "allegations"

The women testify under oath that it was pay for sex, and those are "allegations."

His own texts characterize it as sex for pay and wonder out loud if they're old enough to drink, but those are just "allegations."

As for prosecution, he should be prosecuted. Why not? Maybe a Republican DA in Orlando doesn't want to take on a sitting Congressman? Maybe the women are threatened (many were)? Maybe the rot extends to state prosecutors? My proposition stands, you can ignore this all you want, and it will just keep getting worse until the stench kills us all.

The very best spin that can be put on all this is that the President Elect's chief of staff had the good sense to nominate Gaetz so that he had to resign his role in Congress knowing this crap was coming out and he'd never be confirmed, and therefore wouldn't be a perpetual pain in the ass as a Representative in Congress. If so, touche', that's a Svengali-quality move. One Trump doesn't have the brains or patience to carry out.
So there is mountains of evidence yet the case was dropped due to... lack of evidence. Oh right, sorry, a crooked Orlando DA got the Department of Justice to drop its federal investigation. Lol, wow.
Again, you're pretending the allegations are evidence. You're ignoring the fact that multiple witnesses were proven unreliable. He might be a scumbag and guilty of all these allegations but the DOJ couldn't prove it.
Our vibrations were getting nasty. But why? I was puzzled, frustrated... Had we deteriorated to the level of dumb beasts?

J.R.
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Dude, you just don't get it. Do you have any daughters?
sombear
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LIB,MR BEARS said:

sombear said:

In the Trump era, it really doesn't matter. The vast majority of MAGA will defend him. Heck, Trump knew every letter of this and more and still nominated him for freaking AG.

Character matters or it doesn't.
since the news came out, I've yet to see anyone defend him. Have you?


Half the posters on here and virtually every MAGA influencer is either outright defending him, questioning the evidence, or playing whataboutism.
Wangchung
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J.R. said:

Dude, you just don't get it. Do you have any daughters?
None that I am aware of. Does having daughters change the definition of evidence?
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sombear said:

LIB,MR BEARS said:

sombear said:

In the Trump era, it really doesn't matter. The vast majority of MAGA will defend him. Heck, Trump knew every letter of this and more and still nominated him for freaking AG.

Character matters or it doesn't.
since the news came out, I've yet to see anyone defend him. Have you?


Half the posters on here and virtually every MAGA influencer is either outright defending him, questioning the evidence, or playing whataboutism.
We are allowed to question the allegations. As for whataboutism, I get it. Hard to take the outrage seriously when it comes from people who defended Joe Biden after learning he took inappropriate showers with his own daughter.
Our vibrations were getting nasty. But why? I was puzzled, frustrated... Had we deteriorated to the level of dumb beasts?

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Wangchung said:

sombear said:

LIB,MR BEARS said:

sombear said:

In the Trump era, it really doesn't matter. The vast majority of MAGA will defend him. Heck, Trump knew every letter of this and more and still nominated him for freaking AG.

Character matters or it doesn't.
since the news came out, I've yet to see anyone defend him. Have you?


Half the posters on here and virtually every MAGA influencer is either outright defending him, questioning the evidence, or playing whataboutism.
We are allowed to question the allegations. As for whataboutism, I get it. Hard to take the outrage seriously when it comes from people who defended Joe Biden after learning he took inappropriate showers with his own daughter.


Gaetz wasn't arrested or even kicked out of Congress, and bizarrely, he was up for AG and now possible Senate or Governor.

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sombear said:

Wangchung said:

sombear said:

LIB,MR BEARS said:

sombear said:

In the Trump era, it really doesn't matter. The vast majority of MAGA will defend him. Heck, Trump knew every letter of this and more and still nominated him for freaking AG.

Character matters or it doesn't.
since the news came out, I've yet to see anyone defend him. Have you?


Half the posters on here and virtually every MAGA influencer is either outright defending him, questioning the evidence, or playing whataboutism.
We are allowed to question the allegations. As for whataboutism, I get it. Hard to take the outrage seriously when it comes from people who defended Joe Biden after learning he took inappropriate showers with his own daughter.


Gaetz wasn't arrested or even kicked out of Congress, and bizarrely, he was up for AG and now possible Senate or Governor.


If he is guilty then that is an outrage. But if he is not guilty, then all these attacks on him are an outrage. The fact is the DOJ investigation started in 2020 and went well into Biden's term. They couldn't find enough evidence to get him on ANYTHING, so they dropped the case. Now they are back to spreading the initial allegations and calling them evidence. That's not how our justice system works.
Our vibrations were getting nasty. But why? I was puzzled, frustrated... Had we deteriorated to the level of dumb beasts?

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Wangchung said:

1713 Baylor said:

Wangchung said:

1713 Baylor said:

Wangchung said:

Married A Horn said:

If true, he should go to jail.

But pardon us for wanting evidence before we convict in the public court of opinion after the countless lies and false charges the evil left have thrown up.

Nobody on the right will defend this.
Exactly. These leftists have zero credibility with which to levy any unfounded charges against Republicans. Show some evidence or stfu.
You are so full of *****

It is a Committee of the US Congress, 50% Republican, 50% Democrat, not some egghead journalist.

Read the damned report. I dare you. None of you will because you can't stomach what you've caused by voting without regard to any sense of integrity or rectitude.

Amongst the evidence:

1. Cash reimbursements with at least 13 women immediately following sexual liaisons totaling over $100 K in less than a year and a half, one of the 13 a "finder" who procured other women for Gaetz. P. 14

2. "Based on the evidentiary record, the Committee identified at least 20 occasions from the beginning of 2017 through the middle of 2020 where there was substantial evidence that representative Gaetz met with women who were paid for sex and/or drugs."

3. Testimony of the "girlfriend" who rounded up sexual trysts for Gaetz. P. 14

4. Testimony of the 17 year old who he drugged and boffed.

5. Testimony of several guests attending the party where he publicly drugged and boffed the 17-year old P. 14, p. 16.

6. The direct text messages by Gaetz: "Text messages obtained by the Committee show that Representative Gaetz would also ask women to bring drugs to their rendezvous, in some instances requesting marijuana cartridges and repaying the women directly, but in other cases requesting 'a full compliment [sic] of party favors," 'vitamins', or 'rolls."

7. "$400 is not a problem, Are you both old enough to drink?"

8. Gaetz denying that he knew one of the women, despite taking a selfie with her and paying her $600 cash that day. P. 19.

9. "Victim A (the 17 year old) recalled receiving $400 in cash from Representative Gaetz that evening, which she understood to be payment for sex. At the time, she had just completed her junior year of high school." p. 22.

10. "...Representative Gaetz generally denied engaging in sexual activity with a minor, but refused to answer specific questions relating to his interactions with Victim A." p. 23

11. "The Committee's September 4 letter, however, specifically asked him whether he was present at the July 15, 2017 party at Mr. Dorworth's, whether he ever engaged in sexual activity with Victim A and when, and whether he ever gave Victim A money directly or indirectly, and if so, for what purpose. Representative Gaetz did not answer any of those questions." p. 24.

12. "There is substantial evidence that Representative Gaetz engaged in sexual activity with a 17-year-old-girl. The Committee received credible testimony from Victim A herse;f, as well as multiple individuals corroborating the allegation. Several of those witnesses have also testified under oath before a federal grand jury and in a civil litigation." p. 31

Gaetz was given the opportunity to specifically rebut every single one of the charges brought against him by the Committee, but refused to do so. P. 2, 10, 13, 14, 19, 24, 28, 32.

What they had on him was the tip of the iceberg. Most women didn't cooperate at all. "The Committee received additional evidence from Mr. Greenberg that is not included in this Report, much of it salacious but unverifiable, although consistent with the nature of the conduct that the Committee learned of from other witnesses."

This was your proposed attorney general. I'm a Republican, have been my entire life, and I am horrifically embarrassed and disgusted by what I've seen under the "R." When we turn off the integrity meter and vote for ****s like Matt Gaetz, we get exactly what we deserve.

Yes, those are the allegations from the report, not evidence. Ask yourself why there wasn't enough evidence to convict him in an actual court of law. Then come back and converse like an adult.
Six people see him boff the 17 year old and those are "allegations".

The cash trail leads directly to him on systematic payments, and those are "allegations"

The women testify under oath that it was pay for sex, and those are "allegations."

His own texts characterize it as sex for pay and wonder out loud if they're old enough to drink, but those are just "allegations."

As for prosecution, he should be prosecuted. Why not? Maybe a Republican DA in Orlando doesn't want to take on a sitting Congressman? Maybe the women are threatened (many were)? Maybe the rot extends to state prosecutors? My proposition stands, you can ignore this all you want, and it will just keep getting worse until the stench kills us all.

The very best spin that can be put on all this is that the President Elect's chief of staff had the good sense to nominate Gaetz so that he had to resign his role in Congress knowing this crap was coming out and he'd never be confirmed, and therefore wouldn't be a perpetual pain in the ass as a Representative in Congress. If so, touche', that's a Svengali-quality move. One Trump doesn't have the brains or patience to carry out.
So there is mountains of evidence yet the case was dropped due to... lack of evidence. Oh right, sorry, a crooked Orlando DA got the Department of Justice to drop its federal investigation. Lol, wow.
Again, you're pretending the allegations are evidence. You're ignoring the fact that multiple witnesses were proven unreliable. He might be a scumbag and guilty of all these allegations but the DOJ couldn't prove it.
Cash transfers. Sure. Texts from him. Sure. Keep telling yourself that.

You are missing my bigger point. We as Republicans have to do a better job of policing ourselves or we won't be long for this earth. If you look at the party over its history, it's done a very good job on that--far better than the Dems. Barry Goldwater walked into Nixon's office and said "you're out," I don't have the votes to keep you in." And he didn't because about 30 Republican senators had had enough of Nixon's **** splashing back on them, and were brave enough to say so.

The Republicans have been the sober party, the adults in the room, when it came to giveaways, etc. The core of that reputation is a belief system that is now long lost--keep your word, don't lie, pay your debts on time, have a strong defense and use it as little as you can, keep government the hell out of people's business whenever it can, intervening only when you have to.

Instead we're in the middle of a clown show, led by guys like Gaetz who are performance politicians, but who lack the depth of a parking lot puddle. It won't change unless we quit making excuses for them and hold them to traditional Republican standards. Period.
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Has it not been established for years that Gaetz is a total d-bag?

Did not think this was a secret?!?
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