So true! We're so fortunate to have someone who has such high standards. Just think, he has been convicted, incited, if not led January 6th, wants to increase world peace by taking over the Panama Canal, Greenland and Canada, reduce the viability of social security and Medicare, back away from a key facet of his deportation promise, etc. Thank Goodness the American people realize all this and voted for him anyway. Even more important is that we got a guy who represents our values. We also put America first.
Let's just hope he lives up to our expectations.

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So true! We're so fortunate to have someone who has such high standards. Just think, he has been convicted, incited, if not led January 6th, wants to increase world peace by taking over the Panama Canal, Greenland and Canada, reduce the viability of social security and Medicare, back away from a key facet of his deportation promise, etc. Thank Goodness the American people realize all this and voted for him anyway. Even more important is that we got a guy who represents our values. We also put America first.
Let's just hope he lives up to our expectations.

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Despite all your sarcasm, Trump was a very good President his first term. You know this. And he's usually on point for what is best for the average American.
I'll put up with his noise right now and I'll wait and see how things go.
You libs and TDS need to chill, you'll all likely be much better off under his leadership.

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So true! We're so fortunate to have someone who has such high standards. Just think, he has been convicted, incited, if not led January 6th, wants to increase world peace by taking over the Panama Canal, Greenland and Canada, reduce the viability of social security and Medicare, back away from a key facet of his deportation promise, etc. Thank Goodness the American people realize all this and voted for him anyway. Even more important is that we got a guy who represents our values. We also put America first.
Let's just hope he lives up to our expectations.

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I believe Trump's first term was somewhat of a mixed bag, but I don't think any reasonable conservative (or moderate for that matter) can dispute that it was far better than the liberal nuttiness and incompetence of the last four years.

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So true! We're so fortunate to have someone who has such high standards. Just think, he has been convicted, incited, if not led January 6th, wants to increase world peace by taking over the Panama Canal, Greenland and Canada, reduce the viability of social security and Medicare, back away from a key facet of his deportation promise, etc. Thank Goodness the American people realize all this and voted for him anyway. Even more important is that we got a guy who represents our values. We also put America first.
Let's just hope he lives up to our expectations.

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You really should turn off The View.

"And he's usually on point for what's best for the average American."

Sorry about that, I forgot that many of his followers have similar ethical, moral and value standards, although some are like any average American, in that they lack an articulate rationale for why they voted at all. At least you cared enough to do some research and I respect you for that.
Then there is the issue of neither candidate being representative of the type of leader we need at this time.
"There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there always has been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that "my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge."
Isaac AsimovNewsweek 21 January 1980

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So true! We're so fortunate to have someone who has such high standards. Just think, he has been convicted, incited, if not led January 6th, wants to increase world peace by taking over the Panama Canal, Greenland and Canada, reduce the viability of social security and Medicare, back away from a key facet of his deportation promise, etc. Thank Goodness the American people realize all this and voted for him anyway. Even more important is that we got a guy who represents our values. We also put America first.
Let's just hope he lives up to our expectations.

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Despite all your sarcasm, Trump was a very good President his first term. You know this. And he's usually on point for what is best for the average American.
I'll put up with his noise right now and I'll wait and see how things go.
You libs and TDS need to chill, you'll all likely be much better off under his leadership.

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Not true. Trump had tremendous deficit spending during his first term and he failed to communicate effectively to the public about covid. Trump was better than Biden, but that does not say much for him.

I don't disagree with your opinion; however, based on your past comments, we differ on your definition of moderate. I tend to go with the dictionary definition. Having been a wannabe John Bircher and past Libertarian, plus extensive research into political belief systems. I'm pretty sure of where I am on the spectrum; however, I hope that doesn't mean that I have a closed mind on the matter.

Additionally, I have agreed with you on some of your past comments, and partially agreed on a few others. Having watched live TV all day and night on January 6th, and researching it, including the videos and books on both sides, and continuing to do so, I believe I have a fairly good understanding of Trump and his history.

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So true! We're so fortunate to have someone who has such high standards. Just think, he has been convicted, incited, if not led January 6th, wants to increase world peace by taking over the Panama Canal, Greenland and Canada, reduce the viability of social security and Medicare, back away from a key facet of his deportation promise, etc. Thank Goodness the American people realize all this and voted for him anyway. Even more important is that we got a guy who represents our values. We also put America first.
Let's just hope he lives up to our expectations.

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Despite all your sarcasm, Trump was a very good President his first term. You know this. And he's usually on point for what is best for the average American.
I'll put up with his noise right now and I'll wait and see how things go.
You libs and TDS need to chill, you'll all likely be much better off under his leadership.

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Not true. Trump had tremendous deficit spending during his first term and he failed to communicate effectively to the public about covid. Trump was better than Biden, but that does not say much for him.

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Agreed he did not do Covid great. But he absolutely couldn't have changed the country's reaction. The establishment was intent on shutting us down.

Can you name anyone who did not toe the line who communicated effectively about Covid in 2020?

Never watch it, and probably for some of the same reasons you don't. I admit that I don't watch as much Fox as I used to, especially since all the documentary evidence was released in the Dominion case.

However, thanks for going easy on me this time. I do believe that a lot of TDSers need to back off and give his administration time to sort some things out. Trump has "revised" his stances on situations and even initial decisions based on evidence and other times just because he wanted to. These include during his first term, so let's give him a chance. Sure, I'll let off some steam, but today's rant is hopefully the most critical until and unless his actual actions run counter to his promises. (But I make no promises:-)

Don't disagree with you.
I am with you on the deficit!
However, IMO, the fault lies about as equally with the American citizen, including you and me.
Too many of us lack the political will to make sacrifices necessary to address this and similar issues. There is no easy, cushy way to resolve it and we refuse to insist that it be done. Factual reality is we will pay for our failures to do so, and dearly!

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I don't disagree with your opinion; however, based on your past comments, we differ on your definition of moderate. I tend to go with the dictionary definition. Having been a wannabe John Bircher and past Libertarian, plus extensive research into political belief systems. I'm pretty sure of where I am on the spectrum; however, I hope that doesn't mean that I have a closed mind on the matter.

Additionally, I have agreed with you on some of your past comments, and partially agreed on a few others. Having watched live TV all day and night on January 6th, and researching it, including the videos and books on both sides, and continuing to do so, I believe I have a fairly good understanding of Trump and his history.

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We might disagree on moderate, though I suspect we are a lot closer in our opinions on that than you believe.

My point is, Biden was so extreme in so many ways he turned off moderates. Hell, even liberals were turned off by some of his ridiculously woke policies.

Oh Mr B, I am not obsessed with the Dominion case, but quite surprised at your assumption made so quickly. The documentation, including the emails from my former Fox favorites speak for themselves, and loudly.The fact that the ratings quickly rebounded appears to be an indication that many of us are more interested in listening to what we want to hear more than the truth. One of the unfortunate aspects about how we form our core beliefs and how they code and triage incoming information.

Dang it! There you go spouting the truth!

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Oh Mr B, I am not obsessed with the Dominion case, but quite surprised at your assumption made so quickly. The documentation, including the emails from my former Fox favorites speak for themselves, and loudly.The fact that the ratings quickly rebounded appears to be an indication that many of us are more interested in listening to what we want to hear more than the truth. One of the unfortunate aspects about how we form our core beliefs and how they code and triage incoming information.

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The fascist media literally was telling us in 2016 that voting machines were vulnerable to hacking.



https://alumni.umich.edu/michigan-alum/hacking-the-vote/

The problem is you LWNJs completely re-write history in the moment to support whatever disinformation you're spewing at the time. You literally went from "Russian hackers stole the 2016 election" to "our election system is the most secure in the world." Nothing changed, just the results. The reasons you nut jobs are impossible to reason with is because you live in an anti-intellectual fantasy world.

Why don't you ever bring up the Covington settlement? You LWNJs bring up Dominion but conveniently forget Covington and the fact that it was the LWNJ narrative that voting machines are vulnerable.

Facts always melt your stupidity.

You twist like a snake.

You claimed to be a conservative, but when pressed you can't back it up.

Your dishonesty and evasion mark you as likely a lifelong Democrat.

As usual you present an extremely articulate defense. I certainly prefer to avoid your vitriol and give you the whole sandbox.
Now, back to the topic; Why did Fox pay that much to keep the case from going to court and having even more evidence revealed to the public?

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As usual you present an extremely articulate defense. I certainly prefer to avoid your vitriol and give you the whole sandbox.
Now, back to the topic; Why did Fox pay that much to keep the case from going to court and having even more evidence revealed to the public?

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It's impossible to have an intelligent discussion with someone so tribal that it obscures basic facts.

The fascist media was making the exact same claims about Dominion voting machines as Fox. So why are you only butthurt when Fox does it?

Facts don't care about your feelings.

That does not even get into the hundreds of lies the fascist media has told you, while you find one thing with Fox.

- the Covington kids - another big lawsuit
- "hands up don't shoot"
- "mostly peaceful protests"
- Juicy Smalls
- "Muslim ban"
- "Don't say gay"
- Hunter's laptop
- Russia Hoax
- Charlottesville

Why do you only care about disinformation about the one Fox example vs. the hundreds of the fascist media? Do you care about accurate information or just your tribal T-shirt?

Starting to think Breitbart was wrong and culture is downstream from politics. The insane censorship and deplatforming of the past four years was driven by the Biden administration and Trump winning was the only thing that stopped it. You win by winning. https://t.co/EQjjkJK5Dq

— Matt Forney (@realmattforney) January 10, 2025

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As usual you present an extremely articulate defense. I certainly prefer to avoid your vitriol and give you the whole sandbox.
Now, back to the topic; Why did Fox pay that much to keep the case from going to court and having even more evidence revealed to the public?

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So where is your outrage when ABC, NBC, CBS, and the other fascist media said Russian hackers stole the 20216 election and voting machines were vulnerable? Does that concern you?

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BUDOS said:

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As usual you present an extremely articulate defense. I certainly prefer to avoid your vitriol and give you the whole sandbox.
Now, back to the topic; Why did Fox pay that much to keep the case from going to court and having even more evidence revealed to the public?

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So where is your outrage when ABC, NBC, CBS, and the other fascist media said Russian hackers stole the 20216 election and voting machines were vulnerable? Does that concern you?

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You twist like a snake.

You claimed to be a conservative, but when pressed you can't back it up.

Your dishonesty and evasion mark you as likely a lifelong Democrat.

I have been honest. You are the one obsessed with classifying me as either a conservative or not. If I am not conservative enough, you can call me a moderate. I do not remember ever voting Democrat.

Part of my honesty is that I have been truthful about Trump and I do not think he is a great leader or role model. The same is true for Joe Biden and Kamala Harris

As for you, Oldbear83, your arrogance and insults are obnoxious, and they do not prove a point. Whether I am a MAGA Republican or not, Trump is still a convicted felon who cooked the books to make a payoff to cover cheating on his wife. He also was lackadaisical about handling classified data. He encouraged his supporters to forcefully apply pressure on Congress to throw out 2020 election results. He also asked Georgia election officials to find him some votes in the 2020 election. These are well known facts and I am not being dishonest .

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The idea that anyone would choose this case to claim Trump is a criminal has only proven they are a Democrat down to their shriveled husk of what used to be a conscience.

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The idea that anyone would choose this case to claim Trump is a criminal has only proven they are a Democrat down to their shriveled husk of what used to be a conscience.

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uh, that would be a jury of his peers, not left wing ideologues as you say. Facts don't lie, liars figure. I'm looking a you, coward Carl.

Poor JR, delusional as much as he is wrong.

Dude even thinks you cash checks with your "arse", can't imagine what his business practices look like.

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After Bidens deplorable closing acts, it's clear Dems voted for the most classless politician in recent history. And Kamala is a close second.
Any Dem giving anyone flack about voting for Trump is a complete hypocrite, liar and hack.
The best part is that they know it. They'll pretend otherwise but you can't make up the level of sick coming out of the Biden administration.

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Biden was supposed to bring decency back. Instead we got overrun by illegal alien criminals, freaks running the government and in women's bathrooms/locker rooms, widespread corruption and pardons for all. Carter was bad but at least he didn't do it on purpose.

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I don't know about that. Some of Carter's policies were deliberate, based on asinine Marxist assumptions about human nature & reality.

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Poor JR, delusional as much as he is wrong.

Dude even thinks you cash checks with your "arse", can't imagine what his business practices look like.

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Better than yours Carl. I make my own. Now, back to the cubicle farm for you!

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Poor JR, delusional as much as he is wrong.

Dude even thinks you cash checks with your "arse", can't imagine what his business practices look like.

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Better than yours Carl. I make my own. Now, back to the cubicle farm for you!

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Your imagination does not count, Hunter.

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Biden was a guy with dementia. Him being bad doesn't make Trump good. Before the election, any Repub would tell you voting for Trump was distasteful. Now that the sun is shining, you guys will convince yourselves he is a "good" guy.

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Biden is far more than that:

-He's extremely corrupt, probably to the point of treason
-He's a pervert obsessed with destroying the lives of children through poison & mutilation and for the benefit of pedophiles. We have plenty of reasons to believe he might be on Epstein's list.
-He's a criminal guilty of fraud, election tampering, taking bribes, extortion, & probably treason.
-He's been doing much this for decades, not just the past 4 years.
-He's an idiot. During all those years in the senate he does not have a single positive accomplishment. Everything he did was harmful to the country and to individuals. He gained the reputation in the senate got always being wrong, especially on matters of foreign policy.
-He's weak, a joke, & an international laughingstock. And he still controls the nuclear football. Although unlikely, thankfully, he still has the potential to drag us into a nuclear war. He's thus dangerous.

Trump is "good" for more than the comparison & contrast. Trump actually has ideas that are sound and in America's interest. He also has a record of 4 years of accomplishments. Certainly not everything was a success or will be in the future but far more than Biden. In fact, I'm hard pressed to come up with a single positive thing Biden has done.

Biden is evil, Trump is not. Leftists who cannot see past their TDS are pathetic & hopeless. They are just as out of touch as Biden, Harris, Pelosi, & the other fascists.

And covered it up for 3.5 years with blatant lies.

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If a person is convicted of a couple of felonies I probably would not call the person "a good guy".

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Trump has not been convicted of a real, legitimate felony. The ludicrous show trial in NYC was a joke: Fake charges for fake crimes with no real evidence, corrupt criminal prosecutor & judge (Bragg & Marchon are the ones who belong in prison), rigged jury, complete disregard for the constitution, and so on.

No matter how much anyone hates Donald Trump, he is entitled to his constitutional rights including his 1st, 4th, & 5th amendment rights.

I've had to hold my nose every time I've voted for president except the first time. That was 1984. None are perfect, only rarely are they even editable. Usually, it's between the lesser of evils. In 2024, voting for Trump was a no brainer. Neither Biden nor Harris was remotely acceptable by any rational standard.

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Starting to think Breitbart was wrong and culture is downstream from politics. The insane censorship and deplatforming of the past four years was driven by the Biden administration and Trump winning was the only thing that stopped it. You win by winning. https://t.co/EQjjkJK5Dq

— Matt Forney (@realmattforney) January 10, 2025

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Wow, that is nuts.

The recent response of the Democrats and the legacy media just proves yet again that Trump is the good guy fighting for the average American.

Dems, their media allies, and their supporters want corruption. They are the party of evil.

Repubs are clearly fighting the beast.