I still like Kung Fru.

KaiBear said:

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Yogi said:

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You can only pardon someone for a crime that has been committed; right?

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Hope the Supreme Court eventually rules in that direction.

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Nixon and a few others in History have preemptive pardons. Of course not to the scope of what Biden just did.

Wayne begging Joe Biden for a pardon

Married A Horn said:

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KaiBear said:

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Yogi said:

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You can only pardon someone for a crime that has been committed; right?

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Hope the Supreme Court eventually rules in that direction.

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Nixon and a few others in History have preemptive pardons. Of course not to the scope of what Biden just did.

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Good catch.

Had forgotten Ford did that.

Did not support it and he deserved to lose the next election.

KaiBear said:

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Married A Horn said:

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KaiBear said:

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Yogi said:

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You can only pardon someone for a crime that has been committed; right?

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Hope the Supreme Court eventually rules in that direction.

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Nixon and a few others in History have preemptive pardons. Of course not to the scope of what Biden just did.

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Good catch.

Had forgotten Ford did that.

Did not support it and he deserved to lose the next election.

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Tough to look at 40 years later. Those of us old enough to remember Watergate wasnt the only issue of the time, it went from Bay of Pigs, JFK assassination, Viet Nam, RFK assassination, MLK assassination, Munich Olympics and then Watergate. After Johnson and Nixon, Ford was a decent hardworking man that put the Nation first to close the book. Carter never wins in a different era.

So, the Watergate pardon looked at in a solo, yeah bad move. Looked at in context to everything else the Nation had been through? Did we want a trial of the President too? That is what I remember, but I was younger the Kai. I was a kid, but it was definitely talked about at home and school.

Nixon had his moments , but psychologically he was a flawed individual.

Ford was far more stable, but the Nixon pardon was a political mistake.

However Watergate was peanuts compared to the insanity Biden imposed on our country .

KaiBear said:

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Nixon had his moments , but psychologically he was a flawed individual.

Ford was far more stable, but the Nixon pardon was a political mistake.

However Watergate was peanuts compared to the insanity Biden imposed on our country .

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Hopefully we can put Biden on trial. When they used the 'diminished capacity' defense, we can delete every law and bill and pardon he ever signed.

Then give him a pardon as we put Fauci, Hillary, Hunter, the J6ths committee and all the other pardons into jail. Let him watch.

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KaiBear said:

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Nixon had his moments , but psychologically he was a flawed individual.

Ford was far more stable, but the Nixon pardon was a political mistake.

However Watergate was peanuts compared to the insanity Biden imposed on our country .

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Hopefully we can put Biden on trial. When they used the 'diminished capacity' defense, we can delete every law and bill and pardon he ever signed.

Then give him a pardon as we put Fauci, Hillary, Hunter, the J6ths committee and all the other pardons into jail. Let him watch.

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Have zero interest in putting Biden on trial.

The dude is mentally gone .

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FLBear5630 said:

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KaiBear said:

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Married A Horn said:

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KaiBear said:

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Yogi said:

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You can only pardon someone for a crime that has been committed; right?

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Hope the Supreme Court eventually rules in that direction.

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Nixon and a few others in History have preemptive pardons. Of course not to the scope of what Biden just did.

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Good catch.

Had forgotten Ford did that.

Did not support it and he deserved to lose the next election.

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Tough to look at 40 years later. Those of us old enough to remember Watergate wasnt the only issue of the time, it went from Bay of Pigs, JFK assassination, Viet Nam, RFK assassination, MLK assassination, Munich Olympics and then Watergate. After Johnson and Nixon, Ford was a decent hardworking man that put the Nation first to close the book. Carter never wins in a different era.

So, the Watergate pardon looked at in a solo, yeah bad move. Looked at in context to everything else the Nation had been through? Did we want a trial of the President too? That is what I remember, but I was younger the Kai. I was a kid, but it was definitely talked about at home and school.

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You have to remember who got us out of the Democrat's war in SE Asia, that would be Richard Nixon

And who ended the Democrat's military draft? Richard Nixon. Roosevelt created the first peacetime draft in 1940. Upheld in 1948 by Democrat Harry Truman

Nixon started the 'war on cancer' with a $100 million dollar grant

Nixon lowered the voting age from 21 to 18

Nixon authorized the joint work between the FBI and Special Task Forces to effectively eliminate organized crime, resulting in over 2500 convictions by 1973.

You could go on and on about the good things he did, but the MSM only lists Watergate.

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Nixon did have his positives. Sad thing was he didn't need to do it to beat McGovern. Ford did the right thing by ending it. There was nothing to be gained with years of trials.

As for Biden? They couldn't even impeach him with the House majority. What makes anyone think they can prosecuted him? No, Trump needs to keep doing what he is. Fix the Nation, don't get distracted with the past, especially since there is no prosecutable proof. If there was, they would have impeached.

Trump is on a roll, keep it going.

Trump is moving so fast the press can't keep up.

Trump had an agenda and going on a witch hunt isn't part of it. Keep stacking wins and winning voters.


Someone on the political left will see the opportunity to make money with a book or movie deal and will spill their guts causing a great deal of damage on the left.

I see 12 years minimum of a republican White House

LIB,MR BEARS said:

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Trump is moving so fast the press can't keep up.

Trump had an agenda and going on a witch hunt isn't part of it. Keep stacking wins and winning voters.

Someone on the political left will see the opportunity to make money with a book or movie deal and will spill their guts causing a great deal of damage on the left.

I see 12 years minimum of a republican White House

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Look for one of the Biden family members that DID NOT get a pardon.

Look for one of the Capital Police that was not pardoned to fess up.

Look for an FBI guy to spill the beans on J6.

Then look for several CI's to tell the whole back story behind the riot. The true story.

Also, look for a few Dem's that got snubbed by Biden to come out and tell the real story on the 2020 election fraud, how they manufactured an extra 20 million votes and so forth

FLBear5630 said:

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KaiBear said:

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Married A Horn said:

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KaiBear said:

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Yogi said:

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You can only pardon someone for a crime that has been committed; right?

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Hope the Supreme Court eventually rules in that direction.

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Nixon and a few others in History have preemptive pardons. Of course not to the scope of what Biden just did.

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Good catch.

Had forgotten Ford did that.

Did not support it and he deserved to lose the next election.

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Tough to look at 40 years later. Those of us old enough to remember Watergate wasnt the only issue of the time, it went from Bay of Pigs, JFK assassination, Viet Nam, RFK assassination, MLK assassination, Munich Olympics and then Watergate. After Johnson and Nixon, Ford was a decent hardworking man that put the Nation first to close the book. Carter never wins in a different era.

So, the Watergate pardon looked at in a solo, yeah bad move. Looked at in context to everything else the Nation had been through? Did we want a trial of the President too? That is what I remember, but I was younger the Kai. I was a kid, but it was definitely talked about at home and school.

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I don't even remember the Nixon pardon being that controversial. I think people sort of understood since he was a former president. we had not become as partisan then as we are now.

That's why indicting a former president for how he valued certain assets on a commercial loan application for a loan that was never even in default was so beyond the pale. No average citizen would be indicted for that, and yet we indicted a former president. It was clear prosecutorial misconduct and election interference. Scary how times have changed.

Fre3dombear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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KaiBear said:

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Married A Horn said:

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KaiBear said:

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Yogi said:

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You can only pardon someone for a crime that has been committed; right?

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Hope the Supreme Court eventually rules in that direction.

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Nixon and a few others in History have preemptive pardons. Of course not to the scope of what Biden just did.

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Good catch.

Had forgotten Ford did that.

Did not support it and he deserved to lose the next election.

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Tough to look at 40 years later. Those of us old enough to remember Watergate wasnt the only issue of the time, it went from Bay of Pigs, JFK assassination, Viet Nam, RFK assassination, MLK assassination, Munich Olympics and then Watergate. After Johnson and Nixon, Ford was a decent hardworking man that put the Nation first to close the book. Carter never wins in a different era.

So, the Watergate pardon looked at in a solo, yeah bad move. Looked at in context to everything else the Nation had been through? Did we want a trial of the President too? That is what I remember, but I was younger the Kai. I was a kid, but it was definitely talked about at home and school.

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Compare watergate to what was done to trump. Really quite unbelievable

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Watergate was pretty bad. Nixon did it. It was the uncovering of a crime that was documented and believed to be unconnected.

Trump stuff is more political, policy and opinion-based it for that. , One side sees weaponizing of an agency, the other that Trump committed prosecutable crimes. Gonna be tough to prove a crime, more of a change policy. Just don't put the two in the same category. I know there are some that believe it is worse. I don't see anything they couldn't even impeach over, being in the class of Watergate.

Not finding the articles now, but I was seeing articles last week sort of saying Biden could have created pardons without announcing them. These would be secret in nature but if an arrest or trial pops up then they would be made know.

Harrison Bergeron said:

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Pardon Joe released man who killed mom & child.

https://www.nbcconnecticut.com/news/local/biden-grants-clemency-man-convicted-1999-killing-mother-son-bridgeport/3480717/

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Strongly doubt Biden has any idea that he has done so.

As the guys mind is gone.


Someone else was paid to put this murderer's name on the list.

ScottS said:

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Not finding the articles now, but I was seeing articles last week sort of saying Biden could have created pardons without announcing them. These would be secret in nature but if an arrest or trial pops up then they would be made know.

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I don't believe in the theory that the President as the right to "pre-pardon" individuals who have not yet been charged or convicted for a crime under the Law...or that he has the right to create "hidden pardons" with terms that the general public and the two other branches of Government are not informed of....

That goes against the traditional powers of Pardon in English Common Law and in the U.S. system.


[Article II, Section 2, Clause 1:

The President shall be Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the Militia of the several States, when called into the actual Service of the United States; he may require the Opinion, in writing, of the principal Officer in each of the executive Departments, upon any Subject relating to the Duties of their respective Offices, and he shall have Power to grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offences against the United States, except in Cases of Impeachment.]

Redbrickbear said:

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ScottS said:

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Not finding the articles now, but I was seeing articles last week sort of saying Biden could have created pardons without announcing them. These would be secret in nature but if an arrest or trial pops up then they would be made know.

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I don't believe in the theory that the President as the right to "pre-pardon" individuals who have not yet been charged or convicted for a crime under the Law...or that he has the right to create "hidden pardons" with terms that the general public and the two other branches of Government are not informed of....

That goes against the traditional powers of Pardon in English Common Law and in the U.S. system.


[Article II, Section 2, Clause 1:

The President shall be Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the Militia of the several States, when called into the actual Service of the United States; he may require the Opinion, in writing, of the principal Officer in each of the executive Departments, upon any Subject relating to the Duties of their respective Offices, and he shall have Power to grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offences against the United States, except in Cases of Impeachment.]

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Trumpy Bear and Biden's pardons where equally horrific!

J.R. said:

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Trumpy Bear and Biden's pardons where equally horrific!

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Trump pardoned people convicted of a crime or charged with a crime by the Federal Government (Jan. 6th guys)

You might think that was unjust....but it was very obviously within the power of the Executive Branch.

We have seen things like that in our history.


Biden pardoned people for unknown crimes or people not charged at all (Son, Gen. Milley, Liz Cheney)

And its been rumored he has engaged in "hidden pardons" of peoples and events unknown to the public and the other branches of government (Congress, SCOTUS)

That is a very different thing and much more troubling that Biden has done these things.

Joe Biden Scandal Deepens Post-Term After 'Accidental' Commutation Is Revealed, Dem Hypocrisy Exposed RedState

Harrison Bergeron said:

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J.R. said:

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Trumpy Bear and Biden's pardons where equally horrific!

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incorrect

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We disagree. Different situations but gutless on both counts

Imagine what kind of scumbag it takes to try to equate Trump pardoning people who walked through the capital in protest with Biden pardoning people who raped and murdered women and little girls.

Fre3dombear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Fre3dombear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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KaiBear said:

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Married A Horn said:

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KaiBear said:

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Yogi said:

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You can only pardon someone for a crime that has been committed; right?

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Hope the Supreme Court eventually rules in that direction.

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Nixon and a few others in History have preemptive pardons. Of course not to the scope of what Biden just did.

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Good catch.

Had forgotten Ford did that.

Did not support it and he deserved to lose the next election.

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Tough to look at 40 years later. Those of us old enough to remember Watergate wasnt the only issue of the time, it went from Bay of Pigs, JFK assassination, Viet Nam, RFK assassination, MLK assassination, Munich Olympics and then Watergate. After Johnson and Nixon, Ford was a decent hardworking man that put the Nation first to close the book. Carter never wins in a different era.

So, the Watergate pardon looked at in a solo, yeah bad move. Looked at in context to everything else the Nation had been through? Did we want a trial of the President too? That is what I remember, but I was younger the Kai. I was a kid, but it was definitely talked about at home and school.

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Compare watergate to what was done to trump. Really quite unbelievable

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Watergate was pretty bad. Nixon did it. It was the uncovering of a crime that was documented and believed to be unconnected.

Trump stuff is more political, policy and opinion-based it for that. , One side sees weaponizing of an agency, the other that Trump committed prosecutable crimes. Gonna be tough to prove a crime, more of a change policy. Just don't put the two in the same category. I know there are some that believe it is worse. I don't see anything they couldn't even impeach over, being in the class of Watergate.

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I'm talking the spying on trump Obama did and the pee pee dossier. Watergate not even close

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Geez, not one of these things has evidence or brought to trial. A lot of conspiracy theory, a lot of speculation. Since, 2016 not one of what you talk about has been tried. Even with 4 of those years under Trump. Keep in mind, Watergate occurred and played out under Nixon's watch. Watergate cost a sitting President the Presidency, to say any of this is in the same ball park is ridiculous.