The_barBEARian said:

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Younger Americans think isolationism is workable foreign policy (it isn't). Likely because the world has been pretty quiet on the war front the last 20 or so years. Peace is not the default for humanity so expecting last peace is probably a mistake.

Sure would like it to last as long as humanly possible though.

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America hasnt been involved in a major war since WWII. The nuclear threat during the Cold War cooled the heels of the nuclear giants. While Vietnam affected some, most Americans weren't really affected by it. Or protested against it. It's literally been generations since our rank and file had any possible/probable threat to our countryside. Even WWI and WWII were on the other side of the ponds for the most part.

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I think it's near impossible to claim Vietnam didn't affect most Americans.

I agree on the home front. Attacking US soil would be very difficult and the backlash would be insane. I don't think anyone would ask for that smoke.

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Vietnam was the last war that ubiquitouly effected all Americans not only financially but fatally.

My dad had several Frat brothers who died there and was days away from enlisting before Nixon ended the draft.

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I strongly disagee with you. Many, if not most folks in the USA were NOT affected by Vietnam. And I'm one of the only people here, maybe the only one, that lost a brother there (Paksong, Laos, Dec 1972). Many, if not most folks were ambivalent about it.

And I was in the last draft. Not selected as Nixon ended it, but I was #022. Most of the Vietnam stuff was about the war protests. It was NOTHING like WWI or WWII where tons of folks lost at least one family member.

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Maybe not to the extend of WW2... but it Vietnam was still the last major American war.

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You're wrong. It was never a War. It was a Police Action. Congress never declared Vietnam a War.

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Everyone is finding out who are real America First/MAGA and who were fake and just said it bc it was popular.

Unfortunately the list of fakes are becoming quite long and exposed themselves quickly.

Anyone slobbering for the U.S. to become fully involved in the Israel/Iran war…

— Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene🇺🇸 (@RepMTG) June 15, 2025

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We see this on this board... all of the Never-Trumper Republicans support fighting Israel's wars.... that is no surprise. But now we are seeing a lot of the fake conservatives who supported MAGA but are now putting the interests of Israel ahead of America

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That is BS. No one on here said a world about the US fighting Israels war. Not one person called for troops. I swear you guys just make **** up.

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I've only seen one of two support boots on the ground ... but I have seen at least a dozen call for US dropping bombs.

Last I checked dropping bombs on another country means you are at war.

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I would be for dropping a bunker buster on their nuclear facility. Give it to Israel and let them take possession and do it

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Ok. Well go join the IDF then. You dont have the right to drag the rest of us into a war we dont support.

America hasn't even been attacked. This is complete nonsense.

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You do realize that Israel is using US weapons to attack Iran right now, don't you? Giving them one more bomb that might eliminate the nuclear threat is nothing compared to what they have of ours right now

F-15 fighter jets and Apache attack helicopters
Joint Direct Attack Munition (JDAM) kits
Hellfire missiles.
120mm tank shells.
GBU-39 small diameter bombs.

And that's just a sample of what they have "made in the USA"

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This is a nonsequitor.

This is like saying gun manufacturers are responsible if someone uses their gun commit a crime against another person.

Every murder, every robbery... the victim has the right to sue the gun manufacturer.

We are not complict just bcs they are using American made weapons... most of these weapons were given to them for free because they deceived the American people into believing they would be used for defensive purposes.

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You're ignoring your comment that brought my reply.

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Ok. Well go join the IDF then. You dont have the right to drag the rest of us into a war we dont support.

America hasn't even been attacked. This is complete nonsense.

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And yours was a reply to this:

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I would be for dropping a bunker buster on their nuclear facility. Give it to Israel and let them take possession and do it

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It was correctly stating that Israel already had our weapons, what is one more to join the ones already on the way?

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Yeah... they are supposed to be used for defensive purposes.

Otherwise make them pay for everything they recieve and cut all the free aid.

Ok. You want to sell Israel stealth bomber and the biggest bomb we got?

Pay us $2 trillion.... $1 trillion for all the money we've loaned over the last 80ty years when adjust for inflation and interest.... and another $1 trillion for the servicemen they killed and tried to kill on the USS Liberty.

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Once again, you missed the point of the post. One bunker buster bomb to take out Iran nuclear facilities and set up the rest of the Middle East to not go that direction.

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I understand what you are saying.

And I am saying:

1) We were not attacked.

2) There has been no credible evidence shown that an attack was imminent

3) There has not even been any credible evidence shown that Iran was just about to compete a nuclear ballistic missile. 60% enrichment is not high enough to make a bomb and Israel has proven time after time to be the most perfidious and disreputable nation in the world. Again this just goes back to the generational divide... the only people who still like or trust Israel are Boomers.

The_barBEARian said:

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Assassin said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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Assassin said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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boognish_bear said:

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Everyone is finding out who are real America First/MAGA and who were fake and just said it bc it was popular.

Unfortunately the list of fakes are becoming quite long and exposed themselves quickly.

Anyone slobbering for the U.S. to become fully involved in the Israel/Iran war…

— Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene🇺🇸 (@RepMTG) June 15, 2025

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We see this on this board... all of the Never-Trumper Republicans support fighting Israel's wars.... that is no surprise. But now we are seeing a lot of the fake conservatives who supported MAGA but are now putting the interests of Israel ahead of America

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That is BS. No one on here said a world about the US fighting Israels war. Not one person called for troops. I swear you guys just make **** up.

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I've only seen one of two support boots on the ground ... but I have seen at least a dozen call for US dropping bombs.

Last I checked dropping bombs on another country means you are at war.

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I would be for dropping a bunker buster on their nuclear facility. Give it to Israel and let them take possession and do it

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Ok. Well go join the IDF then. You dont have the right to drag the rest of us into a war we dont support.

America hasn't even been attacked. This is complete nonsense.

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You do realize that Israel is using US weapons to attack Iran right now, don't you? Giving them one more bomb that might eliminate the nuclear threat is nothing compared to what they have of ours right now

F-15 fighter jets and Apache attack helicopters
Joint Direct Attack Munition (JDAM) kits
Hellfire missiles.
120mm tank shells.
GBU-39 small diameter bombs.

And that's just a sample of what they have "made in the USA"

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This is a nonsequitor.

This is like saying gun manufacturers are responsible if someone uses their gun commit a crime against another person.

Every murder, every robbery... the victim has the right to sue the gun manufacturer.

We are not complict just bcs they are using American made weapons... most of these weapons were given to them for free because they deceived the American people into believing they would be used for defensive purposes.

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You're ignoring your comment that brought my reply.

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Ok. Well go join the IDF then. You dont have the right to drag the rest of us into a war we dont support.

America hasn't even been attacked. This is complete nonsense.

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And yours was a reply to this:

Quote:

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I would be for dropping a bunker buster on their nuclear facility. Give it to Israel and let them take possession and do it

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It was correctly stating that Israel already had our weapons, what is one more to join the ones already on the way?

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Yeah... they are supposed to be used for defensive purposes.

Otherwise make them pay for everything they recieve and cut all the free aid.

Ok. You want to sell Israel stealth bomber and the biggest bomb we got?

Pay us $2 trillion.... $1 trillion for all the money we've loaned over the last 80ty years when adjust for inflation and interest.... and another $1 trillion for the servicemen they killed and tried to kill on the USS Liberty.

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Once again, you missed the point of the post. One bunker buster bomb to take out Iran nuclear facilities and set up the rest of the Middle East to not go that direction.

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I understand what you are saying.

And I am saying:

1) We were not attacked.

2) There has been no credible evidence shown that an attack was imminent

3) There has not even been any credible evidence shown that Iran was just about to compete a nuclear ballistic missile. 60% enrichment is not high enough to make a bomb and Israel has proven time after time to be the most perfidious and disreputable nation in the world. Again this just goes back to the generational divide... the only people who still like or trust Israel are Boomers.

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So Boomers are the only ones left that are not Anti-Semites? No wonder the Muslims are taking over our country. Just plain sad! I will look for you at the next Gaza protest. Don't forget your keffiyeh and your Palestinian flag!

For the record, I am a boomer that stands with and will always stand with Israel.

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The_barBEARian said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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Assassin said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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Assassin said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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boognish_bear said:

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Everyone is finding out who are real America First/MAGA and who were fake and just said it bc it was popular.

Unfortunately the list of fakes are becoming quite long and exposed themselves quickly.

Anyone slobbering for the U.S. to become fully involved in the Israel/Iran war…

— Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene🇺🇸 (@RepMTG) June 15, 2025

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We see this on this board... all of the Never-Trumper Republicans support fighting Israel's wars.... that is no surprise. But now we are seeing a lot of the fake conservatives who supported MAGA but are now putting the interests of Israel ahead of America

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That is BS. No one on here said a world about the US fighting Israels war. Not one person called for troops. I swear you guys just make **** up.

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I've only seen one of two support boots on the ground ... but I have seen at least a dozen call for US dropping bombs.

Last I checked dropping bombs on another country means you are at war.

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I would be for dropping a bunker buster on their nuclear facility. Give it to Israel and let them take possession and do it

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Ok. Well go join the IDF then. You dont have the right to drag the rest of us into a war we dont support.

America hasn't even been attacked. This is complete nonsense.

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You do realize that Israel is using US weapons to attack Iran right now, don't you? Giving them one more bomb that might eliminate the nuclear threat is nothing compared to what they have of ours right now

F-15 fighter jets and Apache attack helicopters
Joint Direct Attack Munition (JDAM) kits
Hellfire missiles.
120mm tank shells.
GBU-39 small diameter bombs.

And that's just a sample of what they have "made in the USA"

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This is a nonsequitor.

This is like saying gun manufacturers are responsible if someone uses their gun commit a crime against another person.

Every murder, every robbery... the victim has the right to sue the gun manufacturer.

We are not complict just bcs they are using American made weapons... most of these weapons were given to them for free because they deceived the American people into believing they would be used for defensive purposes.

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You're ignoring your comment that brought my reply.

Quote:

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Ok. Well go join the IDF then. You dont have the right to drag the rest of us into a war we dont support.

America hasn't even been attacked. This is complete nonsense.

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And yours was a reply to this:

Quote:

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I would be for dropping a bunker buster on their nuclear facility. Give it to Israel and let them take possession and do it

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It was correctly stating that Israel already had our weapons, what is one more to join the ones already on the way?

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Yeah... they are supposed to be used for defensive purposes.

Otherwise make them pay for everything they recieve and cut all the free aid.

Ok. You want to sell Israel stealth bomber and the biggest bomb we got?

Pay us $2 trillion.... $1 trillion for all the money we've loaned over the last 80ty years when adjust for inflation and interest.... and another $1 trillion for the servicemen they killed and tried to kill on the USS Liberty.

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Once again, you missed the point of the post. One bunker buster bomb to take out Iran nuclear facilities and set up the rest of the Middle East to not go that direction.

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I understand what you are saying.

And I am saying:

1) We were not attacked.

2) There has been no credible evidence shown that an attack was imminent

3) There has not even been any credible evidence shown that Iran was just about to compete a nuclear ballistic missile. 60% enrichment is not high enough to make a bomb and Israel has proven time after time to be the most perfidious and disreputable nation in the world. Again this just goes back to the generational divide... the only people who still like or trust Israel are Boomers.

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So Boomers are the only ones left that are not Anti-Semites? No wonder the Muslims are taking over our country. Just plain sad! I will look for you at the next Gaza protest. Don't forget your keffiyeh and your Palestinian flag!

For the record, I am a boomer that stands with and will always stand with Israel.

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Ok Ziobot.

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The_barBEARian said:

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Assassin said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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Assassin said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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Assassin said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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boognish_bear said:

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Everyone is finding out who are real America First/MAGA and who were fake and just said it bc it was popular.

Unfortunately the list of fakes are becoming quite long and exposed themselves quickly.

Anyone slobbering for the U.S. to become fully involved in the Israel/Iran war…

— Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene🇺🇸 (@RepMTG) June 15, 2025

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We see this on this board... all of the Never-Trumper Republicans support fighting Israel's wars.... that is no surprise. But now we are seeing a lot of the fake conservatives who supported MAGA but are now putting the interests of Israel ahead of America

---

That is BS. No one on here said a world about the US fighting Israels war. Not one person called for troops. I swear you guys just make **** up.

---

I've only seen one of two support boots on the ground ... but I have seen at least a dozen call for US dropping bombs.

Last I checked dropping bombs on another country means you are at war.

---

I would be for dropping a bunker buster on their nuclear facility. Give it to Israel and let them take possession and do it

---

Ok. Well go join the IDF then. You dont have the right to drag the rest of us into a war we dont support.

America hasn't even been attacked. This is complete nonsense.

---

You do realize that Israel is using US weapons to attack Iran right now, don't you? Giving them one more bomb that might eliminate the nuclear threat is nothing compared to what they have of ours right now

F-15 fighter jets and Apache attack helicopters
Joint Direct Attack Munition (JDAM) kits
Hellfire missiles.
120mm tank shells.
GBU-39 small diameter bombs.

And that's just a sample of what they have "made in the USA"

---

This is a nonsequitor.

This is like saying gun manufacturers are responsible if someone uses their gun commit a crime against another person.

Every murder, every robbery... the victim has the right to sue the gun manufacturer.

We are not complict just bcs they are using American made weapons... most of these weapons were given to them for free because they deceived the American people into believing they would be used for defensive purposes.

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You're ignoring your comment that brought my reply.

Quote:

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Ok. Well go join the IDF then. You dont have the right to drag the rest of us into a war we dont support.

America hasn't even been attacked. This is complete nonsense.

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And yours was a reply to this:

Quote:

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I would be for dropping a bunker buster on their nuclear facility. Give it to Israel and let them take possession and do it

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It was correctly stating that Israel already had our weapons, what is one more to join the ones already on the way?

---

Yeah... they are supposed to be used for defensive purposes.

Otherwise make them pay for everything they recieve and cut all the free aid.

Ok. You want to sell Israel stealth bomber and the biggest bomb we got?

Pay us $2 trillion.... $1 trillion for all the money we've loaned over the last 80ty years when adjust for inflation and interest.... and another $1 trillion for the servicemen they killed and tried to kill on the USS Liberty.

---

Once again, you missed the point of the post. One bunker buster bomb to take out Iran nuclear facilities and set up the rest of the Middle East to not go that direction.

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The nuclear facilities we're trying to take out are the same ones that the IAEA inspected a few weeks ago. If Iran has a bomb, it isn't there.

It's not about nukes.

Sam Lowry said:

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Assassin said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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Assassin said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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Assassin said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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Assassin said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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boognish_bear said:

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Everyone is finding out who are real America First/MAGA and who were fake and just said it bc it was popular.

Unfortunately the list of fakes are becoming quite long and exposed themselves quickly.

Anyone slobbering for the U.S. to become fully involved in the Israel/Iran war…

— Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene🇺🇸 (@RepMTG) June 15, 2025

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We see this on this board... all of the Never-Trumper Republicans support fighting Israel's wars.... that is no surprise. But now we are seeing a lot of the fake conservatives who supported MAGA but are now putting the interests of Israel ahead of America

---

That is BS. No one on here said a world about the US fighting Israels war. Not one person called for troops. I swear you guys just make **** up.

---

I've only seen one of two support boots on the ground ... but I have seen at least a dozen call for US dropping bombs.

Last I checked dropping bombs on another country means you are at war.

---

I would be for dropping a bunker buster on their nuclear facility. Give it to Israel and let them take possession and do it

---

Ok. Well go join the IDF then. You dont have the right to drag the rest of us into a war we dont support.

America hasn't even been attacked. This is complete nonsense.

---

You do realize that Israel is using US weapons to attack Iran right now, don't you? Giving them one more bomb that might eliminate the nuclear threat is nothing compared to what they have of ours right now

F-15 fighter jets and Apache attack helicopters
Joint Direct Attack Munition (JDAM) kits
Hellfire missiles.
120mm tank shells.
GBU-39 small diameter bombs.

And that's just a sample of what they have "made in the USA"

---

This is a nonsequitor.

This is like saying gun manufacturers are responsible if someone uses their gun commit a crime against another person.

Every murder, every robbery... the victim has the right to sue the gun manufacturer.

We are not complict just bcs they are using American made weapons... most of these weapons were given to them for free because they deceived the American people into believing they would be used for defensive purposes.

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You're ignoring your comment that brought my reply.

Quote:

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Ok. Well go join the IDF then. You dont have the right to drag the rest of us into a war we dont support.

America hasn't even been attacked. This is complete nonsense.

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And yours was a reply to this:

Quote:

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I would be for dropping a bunker buster on their nuclear facility. Give it to Israel and let them take possession and do it

---

It was correctly stating that Israel already had our weapons, what is one more to join the ones already on the way?

---

Yeah... they are supposed to be used for defensive purposes.

Otherwise make them pay for everything they recieve and cut all the free aid.

Ok. You want to sell Israel stealth bomber and the biggest bomb we got?

Pay us $2 trillion.... $1 trillion for all the money we've loaned over the last 80ty years when adjust for inflation and interest.... and another $1 trillion for the servicemen they killed and tried to kill on the USS Liberty.

---

Once again, you missed the point of the post. One bunker buster bomb to take out Iran nuclear facilities and set up the rest of the Middle East to not go that direction.

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The nuclear facilities we're trying to take out are the same ones that the IAEA inspected a few weeks ago. If Iran has a bomb, it isn't there.

It's not about nukes.

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The IAEA has not been satisfied with its access to Iranian facilities.

Sam Lowry said:

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Assassin said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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Assassin said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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Assassin said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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Assassin said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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boognish_bear said:

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Everyone is finding out who are real America First/MAGA and who were fake and just said it bc it was popular.

Unfortunately the list of fakes are becoming quite long and exposed themselves quickly.

Anyone slobbering for the U.S. to become fully involved in the Israel/Iran war…

— Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene🇺🇸 (@RepMTG) June 15, 2025

---

We see this on this board... all of the Never-Trumper Republicans support fighting Israel's wars.... that is no surprise. But now we are seeing a lot of the fake conservatives who supported MAGA but are now putting the interests of Israel ahead of America

---

That is BS. No one on here said a world about the US fighting Israels war. Not one person called for troops. I swear you guys just make **** up.

---

I've only seen one of two support boots on the ground ... but I have seen at least a dozen call for US dropping bombs.

Last I checked dropping bombs on another country means you are at war.

---

I would be for dropping a bunker buster on their nuclear facility. Give it to Israel and let them take possession and do it

---

Ok. Well go join the IDF then. You dont have the right to drag the rest of us into a war we dont support.

America hasn't even been attacked. This is complete nonsense.

---

You do realize that Israel is using US weapons to attack Iran right now, don't you? Giving them one more bomb that might eliminate the nuclear threat is nothing compared to what they have of ours right now

F-15 fighter jets and Apache attack helicopters
Joint Direct Attack Munition (JDAM) kits
Hellfire missiles.
120mm tank shells.
GBU-39 small diameter bombs.

And that's just a sample of what they have "made in the USA"

---

This is a nonsequitor.

This is like saying gun manufacturers are responsible if someone uses their gun commit a crime against another person.

Every murder, every robbery... the victim has the right to sue the gun manufacturer.

We are not complict just bcs they are using American made weapons... most of these weapons were given to them for free because they deceived the American people into believing they would be used for defensive purposes.

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You're ignoring your comment that brought my reply.

Quote:

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Ok. Well go join the IDF then. You dont have the right to drag the rest of us into a war we dont support.

America hasn't even been attacked. This is complete nonsense.

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And yours was a reply to this:

Quote:

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I would be for dropping a bunker buster on their nuclear facility. Give it to Israel and let them take possession and do it

---

It was correctly stating that Israel already had our weapons, what is one more to join the ones already on the way?

---

Yeah... they are supposed to be used for defensive purposes.

Otherwise make them pay for everything they recieve and cut all the free aid.

Ok. You want to sell Israel stealth bomber and the biggest bomb we got?

Pay us $2 trillion.... $1 trillion for all the money we've loaned over the last 80ty years when adjust for inflation and interest.... and another $1 trillion for the servicemen they killed and tried to kill on the USS Liberty.

---

Once again, you missed the point of the post. One bunker buster bomb to take out Iran nuclear facilities and set up the rest of the Middle East to not go that direction.

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The nuclear facilities we're trying to take out are the same ones that the IAEA inspected a few weeks ago. If Iran has a bomb, it isn't there.

It's not about nukes.

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Last week, Sam was a fake lawyer.

Now he's a fake scientist!

Donald Trump just completely fractured his base.
And he did it for the very neocons who minted the #NeverTrump movement.

Truly unbelievable. pic.twitter.com/ZF9B3TeumR

— Candace Owens (@RealCandaceO) June 16, 2025

BANNON: “Why was Tulsi Gabbard not invited to the Camp David meeting?”

TUCKER: “You know why … This is a regime change effort. Why not just say that?” pic.twitter.com/lnZ8JXrWGs

— Chief Nerd (@TheChiefNerd) June 16, 2025

Not sure how accurate...but damn

Wow! This gives you an idea about how dominant the United States Air Force truly is! pic.twitter.com/Wm5bsmYgf2

— Vince Langman (@LangmanVince) June 16, 2025

BREAKING: Trump requests the National Security Council be prepared in the Situation Room, per FOX

— unusual_whales (@unusual_whales) June 16, 2025

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Younger Americans think isolationism is workable foreign policy (it isn't). Likely because the world has been pretty quiet on the war front the last 20 or so years. Peace is not the default for humanity so expecting last peace is probably a mistake.

Sure would like it to last as long as humanly possible though.

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America hasnt been involved in a major war since WWII. The nuclear threat during the Cold War cooled the heels of the nuclear giants. While Vietnam affected some, most Americans weren't really affected by it. Or protested against it. It's literally been generations since our rank and file had any possible/probable threat to our countryside. Even WWI and WWII were on the other side of the ponds for the most part.

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Depends on what is meant by "major war". No doubt those who fought in the Gulf War or the "War on Terror" and their families thought those were important. Also, each had a significant impact on the economy & on society. They also had huge geopolitical implications across the globe. Korea & Vietnam are even more obvious but somewhat obscured globally by the broader context of the Cold War.

There have been no wars on such a huge scale since WWII and hopefully there never will be. WWIII is a very prospect.

Sounds reasonable. It might be difficult collecting, though.

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Are you agreeing that only strong men can stand up to death threats and intimidation? I doubt that you are that closed minded, although I do realize that is what some people do believe.

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Strong men are more likely to show strength than weakness under such circumstances.

No one knows what they will do until confronted with a crisis. But certain personality types are likely to handle trying times better than others.

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I agree that certain personality types are more likely to handle trying times better than others. I would hope those odds increase when the leader has such qualities, in addition to having other people with similar qualities around the leader.

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Trump illustrates this last point well: Rubio, Bessent, Hegseth, Homan, etc.

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The_barBEARian said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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boognish_bear said:

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Everyone is finding out who are real America First/MAGA and who were fake and just said it bc it was popular.

Unfortunately the list of fakes are becoming quite long and exposed themselves quickly.

Anyone slobbering for the U.S. to become fully involved in the Israel/Iran war…

— Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene🇺🇸 (@RepMTG) June 15, 2025

---

We see this on this board... all of the Never-Trumper Republicans support fighting Israel's wars.... that is no surprise. But now we are seeing a lot of the fake conservatives who supported MAGA but are now putting the interests of Israel ahead of America

---

That is BS. No one on here said a world about the US fighting Israels war. Not one person called for troops. I swear you guys just make **** up.

---

I've only seen one of two support boots on the ground ... but I have seen at least a dozen call for US dropping bombs.

Last I checked dropping bombs on another country means you are at war.

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I have only seen people say if US shipping is attacked, then whoever attacks pays. That should be anytime.

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And why do we have so many useless bases over there costing us billions to maintain...well for this exact moment. To bait America into a war. Who ordered these bases to be built? The Zionists who took over our government. All of the soldiers over there are mercenaries of Israel and are not serving the interests of the American people.

All those resources should be diverted to helping ICE and securing our borders.

We were invaded by 30-40 million people during Bidens failed Presidency.

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Of the "invasion" what percentage would you say had evil intent?
What do you think would happen if you were able to close all those useless bases?
Would any be taken over by our adversaries?
Would out influence increase?
You think we put them there so we could be baited into war? I don't believe you believe that.

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100% of illegal aliens have evil intent: they are all criminals who broke our laws and continue to break them while remaining here. They put their selfish interests above those of everyone else in this country. Many break other laws, sometimes violently.

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Younger Americans think isolationism is workable foreign policy (it isn't). Likely because the world has been pretty quiet on the war front the last 20 or so years. Peace is not the default for humanity so expecting last peace is probably a mistake.

Sure would like it to last as long as humanly possible though.

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America hasnt been involved in a major war since WWII. The nuclear threat during the Cold War cooled the heels of the nuclear giants. While Vietnam affected some, most Americans weren't really affected by it. Or protested against it. It's literally been generations since our rank and file had any possible/probable threat to our countryside. Even WWI and WWII were on the other side of the ponds for the most part.

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I think it's near impossible to claim Vietnam didn't affect most Americans.

I agree on the home front. Attacking US soil would be very difficult and the backlash would be insane. I don't think anyone would ask for that smoke.

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Vietnam was the last war that ubiquitouly effected all Americans not only financially but fatally.

My dad had several Frat brothers who died there and was days away from enlisting before Nixon ended the draft.

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I strongly disagee with you. Many, if not most folks in the USA were NOT affected by Vietnam. And I'm one of the only people here, maybe the only one, that lost a brother there (Paksong, Laos, Dec 1972). Many, if not most folks were ambivalent about it.

And I was in the last draft. Not selected as Nixon ended it, but I was #022. Most of the Vietnam stuff was about the war protests. It was NOTHING like WWI or WWII where tons of folks lost at least one family member.

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Maybe not to the extend of WW2... but it Vietnam was still the last major American war.

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You're wrong. It was never a War. It was a Police Action. Congress never declared Vietnam a War.

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The U.S. has fought many wars that were not constitutionally declared by Congress. The term "Police Action" provided cover for thde legal subterfuge: Congress still authorized military actions in each instance and provided funding for each. Some would argue that that is the legal equivalent. Legalities aside, they were wars in every sense of the word. Enough Americans died in them to prove the point.

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Everyone is finding out who are real America First/MAGA and who were fake and just said it bc it was popular.

Unfortunately the list of fakes are becoming quite long and exposed themselves quickly.

Anyone slobbering for the U.S. to become fully involved in the Israel/Iran war…

— Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene🇺🇸 (@RepMTG) June 15, 2025

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We see this on this board... all of the Never-Trumper Republicans support fighting Israel's wars.... that is no surprise. But now we are seeing a lot of the fake conservatives who supported MAGA but are now putting the interests of Israel ahead of America

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That is BS. No one on here said a world about the US fighting Israels war. Not one person called for troops. I swear you guys just make **** up.

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I've only seen one of two support boots on the ground ... but I have seen at least a dozen call for US dropping bombs.

Last I checked dropping bombs on another country means you are at war.

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I would be for dropping a bunker buster on their nuclear facility. Give it to Israel and let them take possession and do it

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Ok. Well go join the IDF then. You dont have the right to drag the rest of us into a war we dont support.

America hasn't even been attacked. This is complete nonsense.

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You do realize that Israel is using US weapons to attack Iran right now, don't you? Giving them one more bomb that might eliminate the nuclear threat is nothing compared to what they have of ours right now

F-15 fighter jets and Apache attack helicopters
Joint Direct Attack Munition (JDAM) kits
Hellfire missiles.
120mm tank shells.
GBU-39 small diameter bombs.

And that's just a sample of what they have "made in the USA"

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This is a nonsequitor.

This is like saying gun manufacturers are responsible if someone uses their gun commit a crime against another person.

Every murder, every robbery... the victim has the right to sue the gun manufacturer.

We are not complict just bcs they are using American made weapons... most of these weapons were given to them for free because they deceived the American people into believing they would be used for defensive purposes.

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You're ignoring your comment that brought my reply.

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Ok. Well go join the IDF then. You dont have the right to drag the rest of us into a war we dont support.

America hasn't even been attacked. This is complete nonsense.

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And yours was a reply to this:

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I would be for dropping a bunker buster on their nuclear facility. Give it to Israel and let them take possession and do it

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It was correctly stating that Israel already had our weapons, what is one more to join the ones already on the way?

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Yeah... they are supposed to be used for defensive purposes.

Otherwise make them pay for everything they recieve and cut all the free aid.

Ok. You want to sell Israel stealth bomber and the biggest bomb we got?

Pay us $2 trillion.... $1 trillion for all the money we've loaned over the last 80ty years when adjust for inflation and interest.... and another $1 trillion for the servicemen they killed and tried to kill on the USS Liberty.

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Once again, you missed the point of the post. One bunker buster bomb to take out Iran nuclear facilities and set up the rest of the Middle East to not go that direction.

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The nuclear facilities we're trying to take out are the same ones that the IAEA inspected a few weeks ago. If Iran has a bomb, it isn't there.

It's not about nukes.

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It's not about existing nukes. Iran doesn't have any yet or they would have already used them. The issue has always about Iran's efforts to get nukes because no one doubts they will use them immediately. They are a threat to Israel & everyone else in the region. This is a big reason why Saudis Arabia & others are friendly towards Israel despite religious and cultural issues going back 4,000 years. It's also a big reason why the silly arguments of antisemites are nonsense (beyond the stupidity of bigotry).

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Not sure how accurate...but damn

Wow! This gives you an idea about how dominant the United States Air Force truly is! pic.twitter.com/Wm5bsmYgf2

— Vince Langman (@LangmanVince) June 16, 2025

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Dramatic… if the numbers are accurate.

How Trump can completely destroy his legacy in two easy steps:

1. Get us involved in a war in the Middle East

2. Give amnesty to illegals on behalf of the hotel industry and Big Ag

— Matt Walsh (@MattWalshBlog) June 15, 2025

Live footage of President Trump's approval rating: pic.twitter.com/oRybYfiunf

— Benny Johnson (@bennyjohnson) June 16, 2025

The FBI has located documents which detail alarming allegations related to the 2020 U.S. election, including allegations of interference by the CCP.

I have immediately declassified the material and turned the documents over to the Chairman Grassley for further review. pic.twitter.com/sBVNUgN2BJ

— FBI Director Kash Patel (@FBIDirectorKash) June 17, 2025

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boognish_bear said:

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Everyone is finding out who are real America First/MAGA and who were fake and just said it bc it was popular.

Unfortunately the list of fakes are becoming quite long and exposed themselves quickly.

Anyone slobbering for the U.S. to become fully involved in the Israel/Iran war…

— Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene🇺🇸 (@RepMTG) June 15, 2025

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We see this on this board... all of the Never-Trumper Republicans support fighting Israel's wars.... that is no surprise. But now we are seeing a lot of the fake conservatives who supported MAGA but are now putting the interests of Israel ahead of America

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That is BS. No one on here said a world about the US fighting Israels war. Not one person called for troops. I swear you guys just make **** up.

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I've only seen one of two support boots on the ground ... but I have seen at least a dozen call for US dropping bombs.

Last I checked dropping bombs on another country means you are at war.

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I would be for dropping a bunker buster on their nuclear facility. Give it to Israel and let them take possession and do it

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Ok. Well go join the IDF then. You dont have the right to drag the rest of us into a war we dont support.

America hasn't even been attacked. This is complete nonsense.

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You do realize that Israel is using US weapons to attack Iran right now, don't you? Giving them one more bomb that might eliminate the nuclear threat is nothing compared to what they have of ours right now

F-15 fighter jets and Apache attack helicopters
Joint Direct Attack Munition (JDAM) kits
Hellfire missiles.
120mm tank shells.
GBU-39 small diameter bombs.

And that's just a sample of what they have "made in the USA"

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This is a nonsequitor.

This is like saying gun manufacturers are responsible if someone uses their gun commit a crime against another person.

Every murder, every robbery... the victim has the right to sue the gun manufacturer.

We are not complict just bcs they are using American made weapons... most of these weapons were given to them for free because they deceived the American people into believing they would be used for defensive purposes.

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You're ignoring your comment that brought my reply.

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Ok. Well go join the IDF then. You dont have the right to drag the rest of us into a war we dont support.

America hasn't even been attacked. This is complete nonsense.

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And yours was a reply to this:

Quote:

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I would be for dropping a bunker buster on their nuclear facility. Give it to Israel and let them take possession and do it

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It was correctly stating that Israel already had our weapons, what is one more to join the ones already on the way?

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Yeah... they are supposed to be used for defensive purposes.

Otherwise make them pay for everything they recieve and cut all the free aid.

Ok. You want to sell Israel stealth bomber and the biggest bomb we got?

Pay us $2 trillion.... $1 trillion for all the money we've loaned over the last 80ty years when adjust for inflation and interest.... and another $1 trillion for the servicemen they killed and tried to kill on the USS Liberty.

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Once again, you missed the point of the post. One bunker buster bomb to take out Iran nuclear facilities and set up the rest of the Middle East to not go that direction.

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The nuclear facilities we're trying to take out are the same ones that the IAEA inspected a few weeks ago. If Iran has a bomb, it isn't there.

It's not about nukes.

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The IAEA has not been satisfied with its access to Iranian facilities.

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So they said in their most recent report. And two paragraphs before that, they said there was no credible indication of an ongoing nuclear weapons program. Both things can be true. In this case the alleged violations related to activities that took place more than 20 years ago.

IAEA monitoring is highly meticulous. That's one of the reasons it works so well when we allow it to. What we're seeing now is the same thing we saw with Iraq in 2002-2003. A narrowly focused report is being cherry-picked for scary quotations and used to make broad conclusions that are in no way supported, all for the purpose of justifying war and regime change.

It's not about nukes.

boognish_bear said:

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Not sure how accurate...but damn

Wow! This gives you an idea about how dominant the United States Air Force truly is! pic.twitter.com/Wm5bsmYgf2

— Vince Langman (@LangmanVince) June 16, 2025

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It is not just numbers, it is function. There is not a mission the USAF can't fly.

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Assassin said:

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boognish_bear said:

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Everyone is finding out who are real America First/MAGA and who were fake and just said it bc it was popular.

Unfortunately the list of fakes are becoming quite long and exposed themselves quickly.

Anyone slobbering for the U.S. to become fully involved in the Israel/Iran war…

— Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene🇺🇸 (@RepMTG) June 15, 2025

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We see this on this board... all of the Never-Trumper Republicans support fighting Israel's wars.... that is no surprise. But now we are seeing a lot of the fake conservatives who supported MAGA but are now putting the interests of Israel ahead of America

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That is BS. No one on here said a world about the US fighting Israels war. Not one person called for troops. I swear you guys just make **** up.

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I've only seen one of two support boots on the ground ... but I have seen at least a dozen call for US dropping bombs.

Last I checked dropping bombs on another country means you are at war.

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I would be for dropping a bunker buster on their nuclear facility. Give it to Israel and let them take possession and do it

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Ok. Well go join the IDF then. You dont have the right to drag the rest of us into a war we dont support.

America hasn't even been attacked. This is complete nonsense.

---

You do realize that Israel is using US weapons to attack Iran right now, don't you? Giving them one more bomb that might eliminate the nuclear threat is nothing compared to what they have of ours right now

F-15 fighter jets and Apache attack helicopters
Joint Direct Attack Munition (JDAM) kits
Hellfire missiles.
120mm tank shells.
GBU-39 small diameter bombs.

And that's just a sample of what they have "made in the USA"

---

This is a nonsequitor.

This is like saying gun manufacturers are responsible if someone uses their gun commit a crime against another person.

Every murder, every robbery... the victim has the right to sue the gun manufacturer.

We are not complict just bcs they are using American made weapons... most of these weapons were given to them for free because they deceived the American people into believing they would be used for defensive purposes.

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You're ignoring your comment that brought my reply.

Quote:

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Ok. Well go join the IDF then. You dont have the right to drag the rest of us into a war we dont support.

America hasn't even been attacked. This is complete nonsense.

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And yours was a reply to this:

Quote:

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I would be for dropping a bunker buster on their nuclear facility. Give it to Israel and let them take possession and do it

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It was correctly stating that Israel already had our weapons, what is one more to join the ones already on the way?

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Yeah... they are supposed to be used for defensive purposes.

Otherwise make them pay for everything they recieve and cut all the free aid.

Ok. You want to sell Israel stealth bomber and the biggest bomb we got?

Pay us $2 trillion.... $1 trillion for all the money we've loaned over the last 80ty years when adjust for inflation and interest.... and another $1 trillion for the servicemen they killed and tried to kill on the USS Liberty.

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Once again, you missed the point of the post. One bunker buster bomb to take out Iran nuclear facilities and set up the rest of the Middle East to not go that direction.

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The nuclear facilities we're trying to take out are the same ones that the IAEA inspected a few weeks ago. If Iran has a bomb, it isn't there.

It's not about nukes.

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The IAEA has not been satisfied with its access to Iranian facilities.

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So they said in their most recent report. And two paragraphs before that, they said there was no credible indication of an ongoing nuclear weapons program. Both things can be true. In this case the alleged violations related to activities that took place more than 20 years ago.

IAEA monitoring is highly meticulous. That's one of the reasons it works so well when we allow it to. What we're seeing now is the same thing we saw with Iraq in 2002-2003. A narrowly focused report is being cherry-picked for scary quotations and used to make broad conclusions that are in no way supported, all for the purpose of justifying war and regime change.

It's not about nukes.

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So, you are saying Iran is good. We should leave them be. There are no nuke issues?

FLBear5630 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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EatMoreSalmon said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Assassin said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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Assassin said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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Assassin said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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Assassin said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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boognish_bear said:

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Everyone is finding out who are real America First/MAGA and who were fake and just said it bc it was popular.

Unfortunately the list of fakes are becoming quite long and exposed themselves quickly.

Anyone slobbering for the U.S. to become fully involved in the Israel/Iran war…

— Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene🇺🇸 (@RepMTG) June 15, 2025

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We see this on this board... all of the Never-Trumper Republicans support fighting Israel's wars.... that is no surprise. But now we are seeing a lot of the fake conservatives who supported MAGA but are now putting the interests of Israel ahead of America

---

That is BS. No one on here said a world about the US fighting Israels war. Not one person called for troops. I swear you guys just make **** up.

---

I've only seen one of two support boots on the ground ... but I have seen at least a dozen call for US dropping bombs.

Last I checked dropping bombs on another country means you are at war.

---

I would be for dropping a bunker buster on their nuclear facility. Give it to Israel and let them take possession and do it

---

Ok. Well go join the IDF then. You dont have the right to drag the rest of us into a war we dont support.

America hasn't even been attacked. This is complete nonsense.

---

You do realize that Israel is using US weapons to attack Iran right now, don't you? Giving them one more bomb that might eliminate the nuclear threat is nothing compared to what they have of ours right now

F-15 fighter jets and Apache attack helicopters
Joint Direct Attack Munition (JDAM) kits
Hellfire missiles.
120mm tank shells.
GBU-39 small diameter bombs.

And that's just a sample of what they have "made in the USA"

---

This is a nonsequitor.

This is like saying gun manufacturers are responsible if someone uses their gun commit a crime against another person.

Every murder, every robbery... the victim has the right to sue the gun manufacturer.

We are not complict just bcs they are using American made weapons... most of these weapons were given to them for free because they deceived the American people into believing they would be used for defensive purposes.

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You're ignoring your comment that brought my reply.

Quote:

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Ok. Well go join the IDF then. You dont have the right to drag the rest of us into a war we dont support.

America hasn't even been attacked. This is complete nonsense.

---

And yours was a reply to this:

Quote:

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I would be for dropping a bunker buster on their nuclear facility. Give it to Israel and let them take possession and do it

---

It was correctly stating that Israel already had our weapons, what is one more to join the ones already on the way?

---

Yeah... they are supposed to be used for defensive purposes.

Otherwise make them pay for everything they recieve and cut all the free aid.

Ok. You want to sell Israel stealth bomber and the biggest bomb we got?

Pay us $2 trillion.... $1 trillion for all the money we've loaned over the last 80ty years when adjust for inflation and interest.... and another $1 trillion for the servicemen they killed and tried to kill on the USS Liberty.

---

Once again, you missed the point of the post. One bunker buster bomb to take out Iran nuclear facilities and set up the rest of the Middle East to not go that direction.

---

The nuclear facilities we're trying to take out are the same ones that the IAEA inspected a few weeks ago. If Iran has a bomb, it isn't there.

It's not about nukes.

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The IAEA has not been satisfied with its access to Iranian facilities.

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So they said in their most recent report. And two paragraphs before that, they said there was no credible indication of an ongoing nuclear weapons program. Both things can be true. In this case the alleged violations related to activities that took place more than 20 years ago.

IAEA monitoring is highly meticulous. That's one of the reasons it works so well when we allow it to. What we're seeing now is the same thing we saw with Iraq in 2002-2003. A narrowly focused report is being cherry-picked for scary quotations and used to make broad conclusions that are in no way supported, all for the purpose of justifying war and regime change.

It's not about nukes.

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So, you are saying Iran is good. We should leave them be. There are no nuke issues?

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I don't know what you mean by "no issues." There are certainly no issues that would justify starting WW3 over a nuclear weapons program that, to the best of our knowledge, doesn't exist.

2019 Trump

....IN THE HISTORY OF OUR COUNTRY! We went to war under a false & now disproven premise, WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION. There were NONE! Now we are slowly & carefully bringing our great soldiers & military home. Our focus is on the BIG PICTURE! THE USA IS GREATER THAN EVER BEFORE!

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) October 9, 2019

boognish_bear said:

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2019 Trump

....IN THE HISTORY OF OUR COUNTRY! We went to war under a false & now disproven premise, WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION. There were NONE! Now we are slowly & carefully bringing our great soldiers & military home. Our focus is on the BIG PICTURE! THE USA IS GREATER THAN EVER BEFORE!

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) October 9, 2019

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So you guys really think this is all a 2003 replay and there is no nuclear program to build a nuclear weapon in Iran.

BREAKING:

Trump shares a message he received from the Ambassador to Israel Mike Huckabee.

Trump calls him a pastor, ambassador and great person in his post. It seems clear that Huckabee is encouraging Trump to take action:

“You didn’t seek this moment, this moment sought you” pic.twitter.com/i3EwoV17bR

— Visegrád 24 (@visegrad24) June 17, 2025

Netanyahu began this war with his attack on Iran. In the process, he sabotaged US-Iran negotiations on nuclear issues and assassinated Ali Shamkhani, Iran’s lead nuclear negotiator.

The US must not be dragged into another illegal Netanyahu war – either militarily or financially.

— Bernie Sanders (@SenSanders) June 16, 2025

I agree with Bernie

TG the first to go............

D!

- el KKM

'Thou shalt not speak the truth'- BoD (2:9)

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I agree with Bernie

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So, now Trump is a NeoCon? I thought he was the answer.

Or, maybe the world requires that we play an active role. You know it could be that and there has not been another WW since 1939...

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I agree with Bernie

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So, now Trump is a NeoCon? I thought he was the answer.

Or, maybe the world requires that we play an active role. You know it could be that and there has not been another WW since 1939...

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Yes, by definition that would make him a Neocon

But it sounds like you're in support of that. Typical boomer war monger

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I agree with Bernie

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So, now Trump is a NeoCon? I thought he was the answer.

Or, maybe the world requires that we play an active role. You know it could be that and there has not been another WW since 1939...

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Yes, by definition that would make him a Neocon

But it sounds like you're in support of that. Typical boomer war monger

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Typical Millennial only thinking of how things impact you.

You ever think there is a reason that we get involved in these wars? That there may be more to it than what some podcast says? Let's just take this little action, which we have no troops involved.

Ever talk to someone from Iran? Someone that had to leave in 78? Ever talk to someone from Israel and served in the IDF? Do you know anything about the people or the leadership besides what some Bannon podcast or Soros sponsored podcast tells you?

Do you know anything about trade routes? Anything about the oil industry and ARAMCO? Let me ask you, what do you know about this subject besides you don't want it to impact you?

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I agree with Bernie

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So, now Trump is a NeoCon? I thought he was the answer.

Or, maybe the world requires that we play an active role. You know it could be that and there has not been another WW since 1939...

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There hasn't been a world war because there was, for a while, a rules-based international order. You realize there's not even a pretense of legality to what the US and Israel are doing, right? At least we took the trouble to go to the UN and lie to them before we invaded Iraq. Even that's gone now.