Trump's first 100 days

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boognish_bear said:



Define defense companies
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whiterock said:

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This country is far to diverse at this point to put people in jail for burning a piece of cloth.

Trump swings and misses on this one.

Still owns a great batting average.

We wanted Ted Williams and got Tony Gwynn

and, at times, Ty Cobb.....

SCOTUS got it wrong on flag burning as free speech. Sets a precedent for tearing down statutes, defacing art, etc......things a civil society should find a way to discourage.
those statues and art belong to someone else. There's already laws for that and free speech doesn't override those laws.

If you want to burn a flag, buy your own flag. Don't destroy someone else's property.
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boognish_bear said:



Right now I'm seeing a lot of Republican extremism like government ownership of private companies and barring of clearly protected free speech like flag burning.

Why can't we just act normal? We could have so many wins right now and we can't help ourselves.
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nein51 said:

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Right now I'm seeing a lot of Republican extremism like government ownership of private companies and barring of clearly protected free speech like flag burning.

Why can't we just act normal? We could have so many wins right now and we can't help ourselves.


Both parties seem more beholden to their extremes lately.
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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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We used to let companies fail and allow another one or a competitor to rise in its stead. You'd think we'd have learned by now the hazard of government propping up failing or failed companies.

Banks and automakers would disagree
They were the ones who broke moral hazard. Permanently it would appear.
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whiterock said:

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This is how hou know even conservatives know Trump is full of B.S. They would be going apeshut if they actually believed what Trump said.

there you go again, making "shut" up.

One of the many pathologies of globalism is that it taught our corporations to think of themselves as citizens of the world, with no superseding obligations to their home country. A few decades down the road, and we were in a situation where our largest, wealthiest, and in many cases most national security sensitive companies were deeply in bed with the Chinese government (via parastatals) and directly balancing and/or triangulating in order to protect equities in an irritably intolerant China (at the expense of equities of a far more tolerant USA). It even got to the point where companies were actually suppressing pro-US and/or anti-China messaging in their ads, products, and workforce.

That's why we are seeing this step with Intel. USG representation on the board will stop the corporate slide into quiet Chinese vassal-ship. We don't have to take stakes in all the companies. Just a few. The rest will see the writing on the wall and take steps to avoid the same fate. In the meantime, the asset side of the US balance sheet just got bigger. Whenever the problem abates, the shares can be sold to reduce debt.

What it is not is a slide into socialism. If Trump were intent on government ownership stakes throughout the private sector, he would not be proposing to sell Fannie Mae & Freddie Mac.

Just read what you just said. The government could take a stake in companies throughout the private sector, and as long as Trump intends to sell Fannie Mae&Freddie Mac, it's not socialism. Whew, what a load.
LOL no, the load is you making such a flimsy straw man. I said no such thing.

First, I didn't say it's socialism, I said it is bad and a precursor to nationalizing private companies we deem necessary. Guess who else did that?
I didn't say you were a socialist. I merely pointed out that taking a minority share of a single private company is not a socialist agenda.

And second, if the government actually started strong arming companies throughout the private sector into giving it shares, I'd hesitate to call it socialism; it would be closer to communism, though on its own, not outright communism.

I wonder if you see the slide in politics, you have lubed the slide up, gotten 13 fire hoses plumbed in, and you're teetering at the top, strapped to a JetSki. You are just about to endorse the nationalization of companies, because the motherland requires it.
Again, taking an 11% share of a single company is not a nationalization program.

I not at all a fan of the USG owning shares of private companies. But I can see what's at play here. It makes sense. We will know soon enough if Trump is intent on an outright USG takeover of the Tech industry. In the meantime, we have no reason to suspect he will. Such would be inconsistent with everything he's said and done throughout his life, to include governance in his first term. If that changes, I'll be screaming about it, more loudly than I have been screaming about big Tech being in bed with China. What I'm not going to do is continue to allow our Corporations to show equal deference to our greatest geopolitical rival. Our companies are going to be American First, or they'll face consequences.

Unbelievable…

I agree. It's unbelievable that globalists expect the USG to tolerate it's own companies showing more deference to geopolitical rivals than to the USG.

You are apparently too young to remember much history. Did we allow IBM to set up manufacturing operations using sensitive technologies in the USSR? Did we allow Soviets to move here to manage all or parts of major corporations? Of course not. It would have been insane to have done so. Makes no sense that we should tolerate such now with China. If you don't like that, Mr. CEO, move yer feckin' family and HQS to Beijing and see how that works out for you.
So now you're lumping in Taiwan with China. Who needs to move to China when you're making this country mimic their tactics? Unbelievable.
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LIB,MR BEARS said:

whiterock said:

LIB,MR BEARS said:

KaiBear said:

This country is far to diverse at this point to put people in jail for burning a piece of cloth.

Trump swings and misses on this one.

Still owns a great batting average.

We wanted Ted Williams and got Tony Gwynn

and, at times, Ty Cobb.....

SCOTUS got it wrong on flag burning as free speech. Sets a precedent for tearing down statutes, defacing art, etc......things a civil society should find a way to discourage.
those statues and art belong to someone else. There's already laws for that and free speech doesn't override those laws.

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And the government abandoned it's responsibility to protect those works of art and statues and prosecute those who destroyed those works of art and violated the law.


Really makes you question notions of the "law" in general.

I mean if certain groups can destroy art and riot at will with no repercussions then what does it mean to have laws at all?

PS

I agree that people who buy their own flags have a right to do what they want with them
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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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****ing really? Venezuela 2.0. Maybe Trump can hire Zohran Mamdani to be CEO of Lockheed Martin.

Why don't we go ahead and have a government monopoly of the oil industry like Mexico has? Seems to be working for them. This nationalization kick of private industry needs to stop!!!
Trump's setting the precedent so the next Democratic administration can do that with big oil. Just think how they could advance their climate agenda by doing that. This administration seems determined to kill the golden goose and principles of freedom simultaneously.
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boognish_bear said:


Just a note that there are just over 700,000 total workers on H1Bs and the vast majority are experienced, not early career. And to get a perspective on numbers, that's less than .5% of the US labor force, and even if you took it to key sectors like technology it's at most 4% of the US technology workforce.
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Exploited foreign workers ARE the new slavery. In the end, the Democrats never really changed at all.
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LIB,MR BEARS said:

whiterock said:

LIB,MR BEARS said:

KaiBear said:

This country is far to diverse at this point to put people in jail for burning a piece of cloth.

Trump swings and misses on this one.

Still owns a great batting average.

We wanted Ted Williams and got Tony Gwynn

and, at times, Ty Cobb.....

SCOTUS got it wrong on flag burning as free speech. Sets a precedent for tearing down statutes, defacing art, etc......things a civil society should find a way to discourage.

those statues and art belong to someone else. There's already laws for that and free speech doesn't override those laws.

If you want to burn a flag, buy your own flag. Don't destroy someone else's property.

in most municipalities, you cannot burn leaves in your back yard. you pretty much cannot burn anything except a steak on a purpose built grill for doing so.

Burning a flag in a crowd of people on your town square is a fire hazard to everyone and everything in the immediate area. Those doing such should be fined, and if necessary, arrested as a public menace.

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ATL Bear said:

whiterock said:

ATL Bear said:

whiterock said:

Porteroso said:

whiterock said:

Porteroso said:

boognish_bear said:



This is how hou know even conservatives know Trump is full of B.S. They would be going apeshut if they actually believed what Trump said.

there you go again, making "shut" up.

One of the many pathologies of globalism is that it taught our corporations to think of themselves as citizens of the world, with no superseding obligations to their home country. A few decades down the road, and we were in a situation where our largest, wealthiest, and in many cases most national security sensitive companies were deeply in bed with the Chinese government (via parastatals) and directly balancing and/or triangulating in order to protect equities in an irritably intolerant China (at the expense of equities of a far more tolerant USA). It even got to the point where companies were actually suppressing pro-US and/or anti-China messaging in their ads, products, and workforce.

That's why we are seeing this step with Intel. USG representation on the board will stop the corporate slide into quiet Chinese vassal-ship. We don't have to take stakes in all the companies. Just a few. The rest will see the writing on the wall and take steps to avoid the same fate. In the meantime, the asset side of the US balance sheet just got bigger. Whenever the problem abates, the shares can be sold to reduce debt.

What it is not is a slide into socialism. If Trump were intent on government ownership stakes throughout the private sector, he would not be proposing to sell Fannie Mae & Freddie Mac.

Just read what you just said. The government could take a stake in companies throughout the private sector, and as long as Trump intends to sell Fannie Mae&Freddie Mac, it's not socialism. Whew, what a load.
LOL no, the load is you making such a flimsy straw man. I said no such thing.

First, I didn't say it's socialism, I said it is bad and a precursor to nationalizing private companies we deem necessary. Guess who else did that?
I didn't say you were a socialist. I merely pointed out that taking a minority share of a single private company is not a socialist agenda.

And second, if the government actually started strong arming companies throughout the private sector into giving it shares, I'd hesitate to call it socialism; it would be closer to communism, though on its own, not outright communism.

I wonder if you see the slide in politics, you have lubed the slide up, gotten 13 fire hoses plumbed in, and you're teetering at the top, strapped to a JetSki. You are just about to endorse the nationalization of companies, because the motherland requires it.
Again, taking an 11% share of a single company is not a nationalization program.

I not at all a fan of the USG owning shares of private companies. But I can see what's at play here. It makes sense. We will know soon enough if Trump is intent on an outright USG takeover of the Tech industry. In the meantime, we have no reason to suspect he will. Such would be inconsistent with everything he's said and done throughout his life, to include governance in his first term. If that changes, I'll be screaming about it, more loudly than I have been screaming about big Tech being in bed with China. What I'm not going to do is continue to allow our Corporations to show equal deference to our greatest geopolitical rival. Our companies are going to be American First, or they'll face consequences.

Unbelievable…

I agree. It's unbelievable that globalists expect the USG to tolerate it's own companies showing more deference to geopolitical rivals than to the USG.

You are apparently too young to remember much history. Did we allow IBM to set up manufacturing operations using sensitive technologies in the USSR? Did we allow Soviets to move here to manage all or parts of major corporations? Of course not. It would have been insane to have done so. Makes no sense that we should tolerate such now with China. If you don't like that, Mr. CEO, move yer feckin' family and HQS to Beijing and see how that works out for you.

So now you're lumping in Taiwan with China. Who needs to move to China when you're making this country mimic their tactics? Unbelievable.

News Flash I: Beijing is in China, not Taiwan.

News Flash II: we do have a problem with our economic supply chain being enmeshed with parastatals owned by our greatest geopolitical rival, particularly the ones related to defense, national security, technology, energy, etc..... China is installing malware on electrical grid equipment, fer crissakes. ('memba that time we let the Soviets build a new Embassy for us in Moscow, or were you still in diapers at the time?) Your adversaries, most particularly the ones who know they cannot stand against you in an open field, will find a way to undermine you, weaken you, distract you....... Please explain the logic of why we would build militaries to protect critical industries, then let those industries move production abroad and/or allow adversaries to enter into partnership with those industries (here or elsewhere) for the purpose of having leverage over US policy.

News Flash III: Open borders for people, jobs, and money is not just a failed libertarian experiment....it is an extraordinary anomaly in human history. Whatever can be said about its positive effects on wealth generation, no one is more free because of it, and it is increasingly obvious that the social costs of it have outweighed the benefits of it. THAT'S WHY IT'S COLLAPSING. It no longer serves the common good. No, trade is not going away, but it is going to return to reality. Borders are going to matter again.

I say again......trade policy ALWAYS serves national security policy. Always has. Always will. What you're seeing here is merely a return to reality. The rise of AI is the new space race. We are going to win it. That will require paring back our relationships with China (who is our great rival in AI). We cannot allow our capital, financial and intellectual, to become assets of our greatest geopolitical rival.

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ATL Bear said:

RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

boognish_bear said:



****ing really? Venezuela 2.0. Maybe Trump can hire Zohran Mamdani to be CEO of Lockheed Martin.

Why don't we go ahead and have a government monopoly of the oil industry like Mexico has? Seems to be working for them. This nationalization kick of private industry needs to stop!!!

Trump's setting the precedent so the next Democratic administration can do that with big oil. Just think how they could advance their climate agenda by doing that. This administration seems determined to kill the golden goose and principles of freedom simultaneously.

This is what worries me the most about taking stakes in private companies. I hadn't thought of big oil but it is probably more likely than gun manufacturers.

Here's the scenario. The octavia cortez administration makes moves that drives up the price of oil. They then declare a national emergency and acquire stakes in oil companies. Over the next 4 years they scuttle the companies from the inside. I have to buy a portable solar panel to keep my home utilities running when electricity prices soar. octavia cortez claims we saved the planet.
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He's wrong of course. I hope he's trolling the Dems. I don't think they ever said that but they certainly acted that way.
“Incline my heart to your testimonies, and not to selfish gain!”
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ATL Bear said:

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Just a note that there are just over 700,000 total workers on H1Bs and the vast majority are experienced, not early career. And to get a perspective on numbers, that's less than .5% of the US labor force, and even if you took it to key sectors like technology it's at most 4% of the US technology workforce.

A more important stat is their percentage of the labor force in their particular field. The number of foreign engineers compared to all workers is meaningless but their percentage of engineers is far more important. I suspect that that number is shocking.
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Yogi said:

Exploited foreign workers ARE the new slavery. In the end, the Democrats never really changed at all.

Truth. This h e'd los to explain the fascist obsession with illegal aliens, including rapists and murderers. It's mainly about stealing elections but the Dems are fine with exploiting these people in many ways. For ex as mole, many of them are sex slaves including several hundred thousand children.
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boognish_bear said:



Maddie is 100% correct on this. Socialism is a terrible idea all the time because it is evil and always fails.
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Not sure I understand this. I don't believe the lowest ten percent are paying taxes now. How are they getting a tax cut? Or are people that previously paid $-0- taxes now paying an average of $1,200 per year? The X post is a little confusing.

Maybe one of you Accounting or Tax folks can explain it.
Call it a tax, the people are outraged! Call it a tariff, the people get out their checkbooks and wave their American flags!!!
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I don't know why he spends time getting tangled up in some of these petty battles...

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I don't know why he spends time getting tangled up in some of these petty battles...




he is a 12 year old girl trapped in an old man's body..

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