Sen. John Fetterman to Democrats:
— Eyal Yakoby (@EYakoby) February 12, 2026
— Stop calling Trump an autocrat
— Don’t force a govt shutdown
— Accept Trump’s help on crime
— Stand with Israel against Islamism
— Mamdani “doesn’t reflect our party”
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BREAKING: The amount of Americans saying the Democrat Party is “too liberal” has surged to nearly 60%, per CNN. pic.twitter.com/YuSiUhzQUp
— Leading Report (@LeadingReport) February 12, 2026
boognish_bear said:BREAKING: The aircraft carrier USS Gerald R. Ford and its escort ships, currently deployed to the Caribbean, are being sent to the Middle East.
— Republicans against Trump (@RpsAgainstTrump) February 13, 2026
The Ford strike group will join the USS Abraham Lincoln carrier group in the Persian Gulf as part of Trump’s pressure campaign against… pic.twitter.com/JOJeztZbs5
So it will take 9 to 10 days for that group to arrive unless it is actually going to the Mediterranean.
i have no words to describe how crazy it is that he actually only wears a suit when benjamin netanyahu comes to town https://t.co/NTWhzN8kT3 pic.twitter.com/5aZMmaMaCx
— ella devi (@ellad3vi) February 13, 2026
FLBear5630 said:whiterock said:FLBear5630 said:whiterock said:FLBear5630 said:Oldbear83 said:FLBear5630 said:Oldbear83 said:
Well FLBear, from my POV you really just confirmed my point.
Trump won't win or lose the midterms, all the noise is irrelevant to most voters.
We'll see. Great things about elections, is we get to see who is right.
I missed on the primaries, who knew DeSantis would have the personality of a rock. He should have been a shoo in. We will see on midterms. I am seeing Blue wave, not as big as the Dems think, but enough to flip House. If it goes real bad or Trump does something else, the Senate could be in play.
We will see
It's very possible the Democrats could take the House, given what normally happens in midterm elections. So if that happens, it won't make either of us right or wrong to the degree that we are likely to agree/concede.
I do believe the winner of the midterms still has to win over the voters open to either party. Certainly both parties will make major GOTV efforts this fall.
As for the Senate, I think the GOP is in place to hold it, but they have work to do because even a win could leave some Senators open to pressure from Democrats to play 'moderate' and vote for crap their states don't need or want.
I admit when wrong. I thought DeSantis would win and I though Haley had the best ideas. Neither did *****..
Media matters. People will laugh this off, but the GOP is on the wrong side of this. People don't only vote issues and competence, or Nixon would have beat Kennedy. Bush would have beat Clinton. Hillary would have beat reality TV guy Trump.
Jake Paul walks back Bad Bunny Super Bowl halftime show criticism
no, neither Trump or the GOP are on the wrong side of anything. All across the spectrum of issues their policies are on the right side of 64/40 (or better) issues.
The reality is this: history teaches us that the GOP lost the 2026 mid-terms the day Trump was inaugurated. The only question is....can they manage to defeat history and hold on. Right now, they are competitive, and the environment going forward is going to get increasingly favorable for them. particularly the economy.
First, wrong? Bit black and white. There isnt a right or wrong. There is a numbers game. We are no longer the target demographic. BB was not about taste, but about numbers. He is the hottest act there is right now and expands the NFL footprint. That is the goal, whether you or I like it? Irrelevant, we are dinosaurs to Madison Ave.
I disagree it was lost on election day. Trump, if anyone, shows Americans will forgive anything if you perform. Biden dod not, Trump is back. Trump is losing it with nuclear, heavy handed tactics AND Epstein. A lot of the damage is done. He gets it now, he has backed off. Epstein is going to be impossible to shake and Vance is unlikable. He needs to figure a way out of Epstein but don't see that happening. You keep saying people don't vote based on seemingly everything Trump does wrong. Well, they will vote on Epstein, it will impact elections, too much there not to. Stonewalling making it worse.
Going to be tough for GOP. House is probably gone. Senate is actually in play. Economy is going to have to get better quick and not just for the wealthy. The basics for the working class are not there. They are worse, AI and automation gonna gut things before help. That is not his fault, but he will pay. Maybe I am wrong and you are right, this is exactly what America wants.
But, midterms are not just some historic fact and Trump is an innocent bystander helpless to impact the future election. You are creative in your spin...
You are railing against reality. The party which wins the WH almost always loses mid-term election. Ergo one must presume that will be the outcome unless one does something to change it. Such hardly unique to Trump. It has been the case for both parties.
At this point, the median polling seems to be showing a likely narrow loss of the House, and a likely narrow retention of the Senate. Nothing extraordinary. Just what is expected.
We also know this: the admin did enact the proper program as quickly as possible. It will have enormously positive impacts. Whether those impacts happen in time or not remains to be seen. But the benchmarks seem to be showing that what needs to happen is starting to happen. So I wouldn't get too far out over your skis at this point. You might be disappointed.
Yeah, unless you guys are looking to spin a different narrative, then its history is not a good indicator of the future...
Or, when it was Clinton or Obama it was there job performance. With Trump, its just going to happen.
If he does a good job, you don't lose seats. We have seen it in both the House and the Senate. If he does things the American people don't like, you lose seats.
Clinton lost 50+ in the first term and gained 5 in the second at midterms. Why? 1st term he opened with taxes and health care. 2nd, he got on board with Newt. America liked the 2nd, not the 1st.
Bush gained 8 in the first term and lost 32 in the second. Why? 1st term 911, America approved how he handled it. 2nd term, Iraq. America did not approve.
You come in and believe you have a mandate and you are going to lose seats in the House. This group did that in spades. This is the reconciliation. But, it is based on actions, not some pre-conceived rule that the GOP was losing the House in 2026.
That is spin. Do what the American people want, you gain seats. Do what they don't, you lose. Simple as that.
It is consistent because incoming Presidents typically do not think that way and go nuts on their agendas OR world events get them. Midterms are a reconciliation based on what the Administration DOES. You are acting like Trump is some by-stander here and it really is beyond his control. It is because of what he does.
I do find mid-terms fascinating.
LOL.
Your problem starts by conflating garden variety cynicism with critical thinking.
whiterock said:FLBear5630 said:whiterock said:FLBear5630 said:whiterock said:FLBear5630 said:Oldbear83 said:FLBear5630 said:Oldbear83 said:
Well FLBear, from my POV you really just confirmed my point.
Trump won't win or lose the midterms, all the noise is irrelevant to most voters.
We'll see. Great things about elections, is we get to see who is right.
I missed on the primaries, who knew DeSantis would have the personality of a rock. He should have been a shoo in. We will see on midterms. I am seeing Blue wave, not as big as the Dems think, but enough to flip House. If it goes real bad or Trump does something else, the Senate could be in play.
We will see
It's very possible the Democrats could take the House, given what normally happens in midterm elections. So if that happens, it won't make either of us right or wrong to the degree that we are likely to agree/concede.
I do believe the winner of the midterms still has to win over the voters open to either party. Certainly both parties will make major GOTV efforts this fall.
As for the Senate, I think the GOP is in place to hold it, but they have work to do because even a win could leave some Senators open to pressure from Democrats to play 'moderate' and vote for crap their states don't need or want.
I admit when wrong. I thought DeSantis would win and I though Haley had the best ideas. Neither did *****..
Media matters. People will laugh this off, but the GOP is on the wrong side of this. People don't only vote issues and competence, or Nixon would have beat Kennedy. Bush would have beat Clinton. Hillary would have beat reality TV guy Trump.
Jake Paul walks back Bad Bunny Super Bowl halftime show criticism
no, neither Trump or the GOP are on the wrong side of anything. All across the spectrum of issues their policies are on the right side of 64/40 (or better) issues.
The reality is this: history teaches us that the GOP lost the 2026 mid-terms the day Trump was inaugurated. The only question is....can they manage to defeat history and hold on. Right now, they are competitive, and the environment going forward is going to get increasingly favorable for them. particularly the economy.
First, wrong? Bit black and white. There isnt a right or wrong. There is a numbers game. We are no longer the target demographic. BB was not about taste, but about numbers. He is the hottest act there is right now and expands the NFL footprint. That is the goal, whether you or I like it? Irrelevant, we are dinosaurs to Madison Ave.
I disagree it was lost on election day. Trump, if anyone, shows Americans will forgive anything if you perform. Biden dod not, Trump is back. Trump is losing it with nuclear, heavy handed tactics AND Epstein. A lot of the damage is done. He gets it now, he has backed off. Epstein is going to be impossible to shake and Vance is unlikable. He needs to figure a way out of Epstein but don't see that happening. You keep saying people don't vote based on seemingly everything Trump does wrong. Well, they will vote on Epstein, it will impact elections, too much there not to. Stonewalling making it worse.
Going to be tough for GOP. House is probably gone. Senate is actually in play. Economy is going to have to get better quick and not just for the wealthy. The basics for the working class are not there. They are worse, AI and automation gonna gut things before help. That is not his fault, but he will pay. Maybe I am wrong and you are right, this is exactly what America wants.
But, midterms are not just some historic fact and Trump is an innocent bystander helpless to impact the future election. You are creative in your spin...
You are railing against reality. The party which wins the WH almost always loses mid-term election. Ergo one must presume that will be the outcome unless one does something to change it. Such hardly unique to Trump. It has been the case for both parties.
At this point, the median polling seems to be showing a likely narrow loss of the House, and a likely narrow retention of the Senate. Nothing extraordinary. Just what is expected.
We also know this: the admin did enact the proper program as quickly as possible. It will have enormously positive impacts. Whether those impacts happen in time or not remains to be seen. But the benchmarks seem to be showing that what needs to happen is starting to happen. So I wouldn't get too far out over your skis at this point. You might be disappointed.
Yeah, unless you guys are looking to spin a different narrative, then its history is not a good indicator of the future...
Or, when it was Clinton or Obama it was there job performance. With Trump, its just going to happen.
If he does a good job, you don't lose seats. We have seen it in both the House and the Senate. If he does things the American people don't like, you lose seats.
Clinton lost 50+ in the first term and gained 5 in the second at midterms. Why? 1st term he opened with taxes and health care. 2nd, he got on board with Newt. America liked the 2nd, not the 1st.
Bush gained 8 in the first term and lost 32 in the second. Why? 1st term 911, America approved how he handled it. 2nd term, Iraq. America did not approve.
You come in and believe you have a mandate and you are going to lose seats in the House. This group did that in spades. This is the reconciliation. But, it is based on actions, not some pre-conceived rule that the GOP was losing the House in 2026.
That is spin. Do what the American people want, you gain seats. Do what they don't, you lose. Simple as that.
It is consistent because incoming Presidents typically do not think that way and go nuts on their agendas OR world events get them. Midterms are a reconciliation based on what the Administration DOES. You are acting like Trump is some by-stander here and it really is beyond his control. It is because of what he does.
I do find mid-terms fascinating.
LOL.
Your problem starts by conflating garden variety cynicism with critical thinking.
Maybe. I admit my distrust of the current Admin freely. You and some others here are using metrics to back into an agenda you support. Not looking at the data and analyzing for findings. I get it, you are vested in Trump. He has to be successful as you guys have invested so much in him. So much so, that you are allowing and blessing behaviors you would never approve in other Presidents totally subscribing to the ends justifies the means.
Looking inward, do I view Trump with wariness and distrust, yes. I have clearly said that since his nomination. I have stated why and documented it from Atlantic City to his tactics in NY getting loans forgiven to his move to Reality TV to January 6th to his cyber moves and now Epstein (there are more, but you get the point). I do not trust anything he does. Everything he has been involved in has started well and crashed and burned as some point. If it turns out well, I will give him credit, but he has NO benefit of the doubt or leeway. I have seen him in NY and FL since 1975, buyer beware...
BREAKING: House Republicans announce investigation into Bad Bunny’s Super Bowl performance, alleging the Spanish lyrics were “inappropriate” for television.
— Polymarket (@Polymarket) February 13, 2026
So were we the hottest country in the world in 2025… Or is that happening in 2026?
Bessent: "2025 was about setting the table. 2026 is gonna be a banquet for the American people. The economy is taking off." pic.twitter.com/OoD8Z1E3cs
— Aaron Rupar (@atrupar) February 13, 2026
boognish_bear said:
So were we the hottest country in the world in 2025… Or is that happening in 2026?Bessent: "2025 was about setting the table. 2026 is gonna be a banquet for the American people. The economy is taking off." pic.twitter.com/OoD8Z1E3cs
— Aaron Rupar (@atrupar) February 13, 2026
son,
you're gonna be wearing gold filled diapers before too much longer...........
- UF
D!
Go Bears!!
Viva il Donaldo!!!
pro ecclesia, pro javelina
📉Inflation is coming down
— Karoline Leavitt (@PressSec) February 13, 2026
💸Wages are going up
👷♂️Jobs are booming
THIS is how you achieve AFFORDABILITY!
The U.S. economy is roaring back to life, thanks to President Trump! pic.twitter.com/SLSgFJeKKF
Latest Polymarket prediction for KY-04:
— Matthew H (@MattH_4America) February 12, 2026
Thomas America First Massie - 72%
Ed Trump First Gallrein - 24%
This is your test, America
Can you, the people, “vote your way out of this?”
— Thomas Massie (@RepThomasMassie) February 13, 2026
Honestly, not if you get your news from these folks.
The swamp has tricks for deceiving the public, and most even work on congressmen. Here’s an example of how Laura and Greg played along as happy tools of the swamp.
Please ask… pic.twitter.com/lHBLPDTyhz
boognish_bear said:Can you, the people, “vote your way out of this?”
— Thomas Massie (@RepThomasMassie) February 13, 2026
Honestly, not if you get your news from these folks.
The swamp has tricks for deceiving the public, and most even work on congressmen. Here’s an example of how Laura and Greg played along as happy tools of the swamp.
Please ask… pic.twitter.com/lHBLPDTyhz
Massie is quickly becoming my favorite Congressperson.
Fetterman, Mace Taylor-Green, Khanna are all rising up the boards...
BREAKING: The U.S. military is preparing for the possibility of sustained, weeks-long operations against Iran if President Donald Trump orders an attack, two U.S. officials told Reuters
— Republicans against Trump (@RpsAgainstTrump) February 13, 2026
In a sustained campaign, the U.S. military could hit Iranian state and security facilities,… pic.twitter.com/L5Zs2vRdlH
EatMoreSalmon said:cowboycwr said:FLBear5630 said:cowboycwr said:FLBear5630 said:cowboycwr said:boognish_bear said:President Trump's vow to be the "peace president" is undermined bt the fact that he has bombed more countries than any president in US history, including seven in this term and another three in his first term.
— Ron Paul (@RonPaul) February 11, 2026
Just because many of these are "little wars" doesn't mean they don't… pic.twitter.com/iMa2jRxV7u
This is revisionist history. Or just flat out lying.
Other presidents have bombed more countries.
Then there is the stretch of the word "bomb"
Or the fact some of these actions are continued missions that have happened in these countries since Obama......
That is what you are caught up on???? Others may have bombed more? The "What about-ism" is strong in this room. It is the answer for anything Trump does.
Pointing out factual errors is not what about ism. It is pointing out factual errors.
He has bombed a lot of Nations. Got it.
Are you familiar with the concept of accuracy versus precision?
Don't spend so much time on precision when accuracy is that point. The exact number or whether Trump is #1 or #2 misses the point. This must be a Board full of accountants...
No sorry. Facts are facts.
Don't claim something or someone is the most when the facts don't back that up. Whether it is Trump, Biden or Baylor football.
But you are so blinded by your Trump hate you miss that I regularly call him out on things. On this thread or others.
But I can also give him praise when he dos something good.
But I can also call out BS when I see it that is twisting things to make him look worse, like this.
Been there with Flbear as well. Flbear doesn't realize when his posts become an attempt to stereotype to try to gain ground in a discussion. I know he's not the only one on here who does, but FlBear seems to think he doesn't do that on purpose. Not even close to as bad as JR.
Yeah he doesn't realize that everyone that disagrees with him is not always 100% "for Trump"
Trump: “There will be Voter I.D. for the Midterm Elections, whether approved by Congress or not!” pic.twitter.com/hbc3rnaa6e
— Republicans against Trump (@RpsAgainstTrump) February 13, 2026
Sen. Tillis on the DOJ probe into Jerome Powell: “Until the investigation is resolved, I cannot and I will not vote to support anyone on the Federal Reserve in my remaining tenure in the U. S. Senate.” pic.twitter.com/1rfGtB1Vqs
— The Bulwark (@BulwarkOnline) February 12, 2026
Can be some noise here. But new 2nd-term Trump approval low in our tracking. We haven't had a lot of popular presidents lately. But he's also now a hair below Biden and Trump 1.0 at comparable points. pic.twitter.com/RUJZFlw8l7
— Nate Silver (@NateSilver538) February 13, 2026
cowboycwr said:EatMoreSalmon said:cowboycwr said:FLBear5630 said:cowboycwr said:FLBear5630 said:cowboycwr said:boognish_bear said:President Trump's vow to be the "peace president" is undermined bt the fact that he has bombed more countries than any president in US history, including seven in this term and another three in his first term.
— Ron Paul (@RonPaul) February 11, 2026
Just because many of these are "little wars" doesn't mean they don't… pic.twitter.com/iMa2jRxV7u
This is revisionist history. Or just flat out lying.
Other presidents have bombed more countries.
Then there is the stretch of the word "bomb"
Or the fact some of these actions are continued missions that have happened in these countries since Obama......
That is what you are caught up on???? Others may have bombed more? The "What about-ism" is strong in this room. It is the answer for anything Trump does.
Pointing out factual errors is not what about ism. It is pointing out factual errors.
He has bombed a lot of Nations. Got it.
Are you familiar with the concept of accuracy versus precision?
Don't spend so much time on precision when accuracy is that point. The exact number or whether Trump is #1 or #2 misses the point. This must be a Board full of accountants...
No sorry. Facts are facts.
Don't claim something or someone is the most when the facts don't back that up. Whether it is Trump, Biden or Baylor football.
But you are so blinded by your Trump hate you miss that I regularly call him out on things. On this thread or others.
But I can also give him praise when he dos something good.
But I can also call out BS when I see it that is twisting things to make him look worse, like this.
Been there with Flbear as well. Flbear doesn't realize when his posts become an attempt to stereotype to try to gain ground in a discussion. I know he's not the only one on here who does, but FlBear seems to think he doesn't do that on purpose. Not even close to as bad as JR.
Yeah he doesn't realize that everyone that disagrees with him is not always 100% "for Trump"
What is the old saying- Dont piss down my back and tell me its raining ...
That sums up alot of my discussions with MAGA and pro-Trumpers. No matter what is said, it is a positive for Trump. ICE shot 32 people over the year, it was all their fault. Trump is named 5500 times in Epstein files, nothing there. Your comment on bombing, others bombed just as much. These are not win or lose arguments. Nobody is trying to gain position. Sadly, they are things actually happening. I am not keep score, you guys are more into that than me... They are actually important enough to talk about.
" Dont piss down my back and tell me its raining .."
This from the poster who makes sure every one of his posts has a certain quantity of urine in print.
This from the poster who makes sure every one of his posts has a certain quantity of urine in print.
FLBear5630 said:cowboycwr said:EatMoreSalmon said:cowboycwr said:FLBear5630 said:cowboycwr said:FLBear5630 said:cowboycwr said:boognish_bear said:President Trump's vow to be the "peace president" is undermined bt the fact that he has bombed more countries than any president in US history, including seven in this term and another three in his first term.
— Ron Paul (@RonPaul) February 11, 2026
Just because many of these are "little wars" doesn't mean they don't… pic.twitter.com/iMa2jRxV7u
This is revisionist history. Or just flat out lying.
Other presidents have bombed more countries.
Then there is the stretch of the word "bomb"
Or the fact some of these actions are continued missions that have happened in these countries since Obama......
That is what you are caught up on???? Others may have bombed more? The "What about-ism" is strong in this room. It is the answer for anything Trump does.
Pointing out factual errors is not what about ism. It is pointing out factual errors.
He has bombed a lot of Nations. Got it.
Are you familiar with the concept of accuracy versus precision?
Don't spend so much time on precision when accuracy is that point. The exact number or whether Trump is #1 or #2 misses the point. This must be a Board full of accountants...
No sorry. Facts are facts.
Don't claim something or someone is the most when the facts don't back that up. Whether it is Trump, Biden or Baylor football.
But you are so blinded by your Trump hate you miss that I regularly call him out on things. On this thread or others.
But I can also give him praise when he dos something good.
But I can also call out BS when I see it that is twisting things to make him look worse, like this.
Been there with Flbear as well. Flbear doesn't realize when his posts become an attempt to stereotype to try to gain ground in a discussion. I know he's not the only one on here who does, but FlBear seems to think he doesn't do that on purpose. Not even close to as bad as JR.
Yeah he doesn't realize that everyone that disagrees with him is not always 100% "for Trump"
What is the old saying- Dont piss down my back and tell me its raining ...
That sums up alot of my discussions with MAGA and pro-Trumpers. No matter what is said, it is a positive for Trump. ICE shot 32 people over the year, it was all their fault. Trump is named 5500 times in Epstein files, nothing there. Your comment on bombing, others bombed just as much. These are not win or lose arguments. Nobody is trying to gain position. Sadly, they are things actually happening. I am not keep score, you guys are more into that than me... They are actually important enough to talk about.
You might want to take some time away from the board and have a little relaxation. After some time passes, come back and read some of these old threads and see if you don't owe a few people some apologies.
Keeping cool while Making America Hot Again. 🏁
— The White House (@WhiteHouse) February 13, 2026
Auto start-stop is officially dead. pic.twitter.com/9th5fq6wwF
“This is going to be a two month war not a two year war” - Bill Kristol 2003 https://t.co/RIVFHi9p9g pic.twitter.com/prD5FlHNma
— a newsman (@a_newsman) February 14, 2026
boognish_bear said:Keeping cool while Making America Hot Again. 🏁
— The White House (@WhiteHouse) February 13, 2026
Auto start-stop is officially dead. pic.twitter.com/9th5fq6wwF
I loathe this feature but it does save fuel and some consumers are really in to that. All they ever needed to do was make it so you could turn it off in the settings and no one would complain about it.
At this point, with the redesign of the starter and relocation of those components changing it is a pretty major undertaking.
nein51 said:boognish_bear said:Keeping cool while Making America Hot Again. 🏁
— The White House (@WhiteHouse) February 13, 2026
Auto start-stop is officially dead. pic.twitter.com/9th5fq6wwF
I loathe this feature but it does save fuel and some consumers are really in to that. All they ever needed to do was make it so you could turn it off in the settings and no one would complain about it.
At this point, with the redesign of the starter and relocation of those components changing it is a pretty major undertaking.
Your car didn't have a turn off switch? F150 has one, the default is on and you have to turn it off. But, you can.
I have a 2018, not sure on the newer ones.
FLBear5630 said:nein51 said:boognish_bear said:Keeping cool while Making America Hot Again. 🏁
— The White House (@WhiteHouse) February 13, 2026
Auto start-stop is officially dead. pic.twitter.com/9th5fq6wwF
I loathe this feature but it does save fuel and some consumers are really in to that. All they ever needed to do was make it so you could turn it off in the settings and no one would complain about it.
At this point, with the redesign of the starter and relocation of those components changing it is a pretty major undertaking.
Your car didn't have a turn off switch? F150 has one, the default is on and you have to turn it off. But, you can.
I have a 2018, not sure on the newer ones.
Very few have the ability to "permanently" disable the feature. Most you have to turn it off every time you get in the vehicle. My 3500 doesn't have it at all. My wife's 2022 Mercedes you have to turn it off every time.
In reading your post again it seems like yours has the on/off switch. What they should have is the ability to turn it off, until you want to turn it back on again, if ever.
nein51 said:FLBear5630 said:nein51 said:boognish_bear said:Keeping cool while Making America Hot Again. 🏁
— The White House (@WhiteHouse) February 13, 2026
Auto start-stop is officially dead. pic.twitter.com/9th5fq6wwF
I loathe this feature but it does save fuel and some consumers are really in to that. All they ever needed to do was make it so you could turn it off in the settings and no one would complain about it.
At this point, with the redesign of the starter and relocation of those components changing it is a pretty major undertaking.
Your car didn't have a turn off switch? F150 has one, the default is on and you have to turn it off. But, you can.
I have a 2018, not sure on the newer ones.
Very few have the ability to "permanently" disable the feature. Most you have to turn it off every time you get in the vehicle. My 3500 doesn't have it at all. My wife's 2022 Mercedes you have to turn it off every time.
In reading your post again it seems like yours has the on/off switch. What they should have is the ability to turn it off, until you want to turn it back on again, if ever.
I agree on that. Rather than a disable button, a regular on/off would be nice. Especially if you are towing.
FLBear5630 said:whiterock said:FLBear5630 said:whiterock said:FLBear5630 said:whiterock said:FLBear5630 said:Oldbear83 said:FLBear5630 said:Oldbear83 said:
Well FLBear, from my POV you really just confirmed my point.
Trump won't win or lose the midterms, all the noise is irrelevant to most voters.
We'll see. Great things about elections, is we get to see who is right.
I missed on the primaries, who knew DeSantis would have the personality of a rock. He should have been a shoo in. We will see on midterms. I am seeing Blue wave, not as big as the Dems think, but enough to flip House. If it goes real bad or Trump does something else, the Senate could be in play.
We will see
It's very possible the Democrats could take the House, given what normally happens in midterm elections. So if that happens, it won't make either of us right or wrong to the degree that we are likely to agree/concede.
I do believe the winner of the midterms still has to win over the voters open to either party. Certainly both parties will make major GOTV efforts this fall.
As for the Senate, I think the GOP is in place to hold it, but they have work to do because even a win could leave some Senators open to pressure from Democrats to play 'moderate' and vote for crap their states don't need or want.
I admit when wrong. I thought DeSantis would win and I though Haley had the best ideas. Neither did *****..
Media matters. People will laugh this off, but the GOP is on the wrong side of this. People don't only vote issues and competence, or Nixon would have beat Kennedy. Bush would have beat Clinton. Hillary would have beat reality TV guy Trump.
Jake Paul walks back Bad Bunny Super Bowl halftime show criticism
no, neither Trump or the GOP are on the wrong side of anything. All across the spectrum of issues their policies are on the right side of 64/40 (or better) issues.
The reality is this: history teaches us that the GOP lost the 2026 mid-terms the day Trump was inaugurated. The only question is....can they manage to defeat history and hold on. Right now, they are competitive, and the environment going forward is going to get increasingly favorable for them. particularly the economy.
First, wrong? Bit black and white. There isnt a right or wrong. There is a numbers game. We are no longer the target demographic. BB was not about taste, but about numbers. He is the hottest act there is right now and expands the NFL footprint. That is the goal, whether you or I like it? Irrelevant, we are dinosaurs to Madison Ave.
I disagree it was lost on election day. Trump, if anyone, shows Americans will forgive anything if you perform. Biden dod not, Trump is back. Trump is losing it with nuclear, heavy handed tactics AND Epstein. A lot of the damage is done. He gets it now, he has backed off. Epstein is going to be impossible to shake and Vance is unlikable. He needs to figure a way out of Epstein but don't see that happening. You keep saying people don't vote based on seemingly everything Trump does wrong. Well, they will vote on Epstein, it will impact elections, too much there not to. Stonewalling making it worse.
Going to be tough for GOP. House is probably gone. Senate is actually in play. Economy is going to have to get better quick and not just for the wealthy. The basics for the working class are not there. They are worse, AI and automation gonna gut things before help. That is not his fault, but he will pay. Maybe I am wrong and you are right, this is exactly what America wants.
But, midterms are not just some historic fact and Trump is an innocent bystander helpless to impact the future election. You are creative in your spin...
You are railing against reality. The party which wins the WH almost always loses mid-term election. Ergo one must presume that will be the outcome unless one does something to change it. Such hardly unique to Trump. It has been the case for both parties.
At this point, the median polling seems to be showing a likely narrow loss of the House, and a likely narrow retention of the Senate. Nothing extraordinary. Just what is expected.
We also know this: the admin did enact the proper program as quickly as possible. It will have enormously positive impacts. Whether those impacts happen in time or not remains to be seen. But the benchmarks seem to be showing that what needs to happen is starting to happen. So I wouldn't get too far out over your skis at this point. You might be disappointed.
Yeah, unless you guys are looking to spin a different narrative, then its history is not a good indicator of the future...
Or, when it was Clinton or Obama it was there job performance. With Trump, its just going to happen.
If he does a good job, you don't lose seats. We have seen it in both the House and the Senate. If he does things the American people don't like, you lose seats.
Clinton lost 50+ in the first term and gained 5 in the second at midterms. Why? 1st term he opened with taxes and health care. 2nd, he got on board with Newt. America liked the 2nd, not the 1st.
Bush gained 8 in the first term and lost 32 in the second. Why? 1st term 911, America approved how he handled it. 2nd term, Iraq. America did not approve.
You come in and believe you have a mandate and you are going to lose seats in the House. This group did that in spades. This is the reconciliation. But, it is based on actions, not some pre-conceived rule that the GOP was losing the House in 2026.
That is spin. Do what the American people want, you gain seats. Do what they don't, you lose. Simple as that.
It is consistent because incoming Presidents typically do not think that way and go nuts on their agendas OR world events get them. Midterms are a reconciliation based on what the Administration DOES. You are acting like Trump is some by-stander here and it really is beyond his control. It is because of what he does.
I do find mid-terms fascinating.
LOL.
Your problem starts by conflating garden variety cynicism with critical thinking.
Maybe. I admit my distrust of the current Admin freely. You and some others here are using metrics to back into an agenda you support. Not looking at the data and analyzing for findings. I get it, you are vested in Trump. He has to be successful as you guys have invested so much in him. So much so, that you are allowing and blessing behaviors you would never approve in other Presidents totally subscribing to the ends justifies the means.
Looking inward, do I view Trump with wariness and distrust, yes. I have clearly said that since his nomination. I have stated why and documented it from Atlantic City to his tactics in NY getting loans forgiven to his move to Reality TV to January 6th to his cyber moves and now Epstein (there are more, but you get the point). I do not trust anything he does. Everything he has been involved in has started well and crashed and burned as some point. If it turns out well, I will give him credit, but he has NO benefit of the doubt or leeway. I have seen him in NY and FL since 1975, buyer beware...
LOL. You cannot envision a scenario where you might be wrong....even though over and over and over, issue after issue, you keep running into walls, taking ever more extreme positions to avoid dealing with reality.
More "metrics."
HUGE SHIFT: January’s deficit just fell to $95 BILLION — a 26% decrease from last year 🔥
— A Man Of Memes (@RickyDoggin) February 13, 2026
Revenue climbed 9%. Spending rose just 2%. Tariff revenue surged to $27.7B — nearly four times pre-tariff levels.
Year-to-date deficit is down 17%.
That’s not spin — that’s math.
For months,… pic.twitter.com/skQaqKnqFg
Enjoy that while it lasts because we are going to get destroyed at midterms unless the economy picks up dramatically and everyone that does planning/production that I know has no upturn until Q1/Q2 of 2027.
nein51 said:
Enjoy that while it lasts because we are going to get destroyed at midterms unless the economy picks up dramatically and everyone that does planning/production that I know has no upturn until Q1/Q2 of 2027.
Mid-terms were lost the day Trump was inaugurated. We are in a decent position to rescue them. His policies are now in place and manifestly bearing fruit. Will it be enough? Dunno. Polling does seem to have stabilized and in some instances is ticking up slightly.
whiterock said:nein51 said:
Enjoy that while it lasts because we are going to get destroyed at midterms unless the economy picks up dramatically and everyone that does planning/production that I know has no upturn until Q1/Q2 of 2027.
Mid-terms were lost the day Trump was inaugurated. We are in a decent position to rescue them. His policies are now in place and manifestly bearing fruit. Will it be enough? Dunno. Polling does seem to have stabilized and in some instances is ticking up slightly.
That's not going to happen. Again, unless there is a huge surge in the economy it's going to be a slaughter.
nein51 said:whiterock said:nein51 said:
Enjoy that while it lasts because we are going to get destroyed at midterms unless the economy picks up dramatically and everyone that does planning/production that I know has no upturn until Q1/Q2 of 2027.
Mid-terms were lost the day Trump was inaugurated. We are in a decent position to rescue them. His policies are now in place and manifestly bearing fruit. Will it be enough? Dunno. Polling does seem to have stabilized and in some instances is ticking up slightly.
That's not going to happen. Again, unless there is a huge surge in the economy it's going to be a slaughter.
And lo & behold, there is a huge surge building in the economy......
I'm not predicting we will hold onto both Houses of Congress.
I'm saying the stuff that needs to happen to do so is, at this moment, actually happening.
Will it be enough, soon enough.....and will the public perceive it or get distracted by something else......who knows. But if you're gaming a way to defeat historical precedents, the opening moves are looking like they need to look
whiterock said:FLBear5630 said:whiterock said:FLBear5630 said:whiterock said:FLBear5630 said:whiterock said:FLBear5630 said:Oldbear83 said:FLBear5630 said:Oldbear83 said:
Well FLBear, from my POV you really just confirmed my point.
Trump won't win or lose the midterms, all the noise is irrelevant to most voters.
We'll see. Great things about elections, is we get to see who is right.
I missed on the primaries, who knew DeSantis would have the personality of a rock. He should have been a shoo in. We will see on midterms. I am seeing Blue wave, not as big as the Dems think, but enough to flip House. If it goes real bad or Trump does something else, the Senate could be in play.
We will see
It's very possible the Democrats could take the House, given what normally happens in midterm elections. So if that happens, it won't make either of us right or wrong to the degree that we are likely to agree/concede.
I do believe the winner of the midterms still has to win over the voters open to either party. Certainly both parties will make major GOTV efforts this fall.
As for the Senate, I think the GOP is in place to hold it, but they have work to do because even a win could leave some Senators open to pressure from Democrats to play 'moderate' and vote for crap their states don't need or want.
I admit when wrong. I thought DeSantis would win and I though Haley had the best ideas. Neither did *****..
Media matters. People will laugh this off, but the GOP is on the wrong side of this. People don't only vote issues and competence, or Nixon would have beat Kennedy. Bush would have beat Clinton. Hillary would have beat reality TV guy Trump.
Jake Paul walks back Bad Bunny Super Bowl halftime show criticism
no, neither Trump or the GOP are on the wrong side of anything. All across the spectrum of issues their policies are on the right side of 64/40 (or better) issues.
The reality is this: history teaches us that the GOP lost the 2026 mid-terms the day Trump was inaugurated. The only question is....can they manage to defeat history and hold on. Right now, they are competitive, and the environment going forward is going to get increasingly favorable for them. particularly the economy.
First, wrong? Bit black and white. There isnt a right or wrong. There is a numbers game. We are no longer the target demographic. BB was not about taste, but about numbers. He is the hottest act there is right now and expands the NFL footprint. That is the goal, whether you or I like it? Irrelevant, we are dinosaurs to Madison Ave.
I disagree it was lost on election day. Trump, if anyone, shows Americans will forgive anything if you perform. Biden dod not, Trump is back. Trump is losing it with nuclear, heavy handed tactics AND Epstein. A lot of the damage is done. He gets it now, he has backed off. Epstein is going to be impossible to shake and Vance is unlikable. He needs to figure a way out of Epstein but don't see that happening. You keep saying people don't vote based on seemingly everything Trump does wrong. Well, they will vote on Epstein, it will impact elections, too much there not to. Stonewalling making it worse.
Going to be tough for GOP. House is probably gone. Senate is actually in play. Economy is going to have to get better quick and not just for the wealthy. The basics for the working class are not there. They are worse, AI and automation gonna gut things before help. That is not his fault, but he will pay. Maybe I am wrong and you are right, this is exactly what America wants.
But, midterms are not just some historic fact and Trump is an innocent bystander helpless to impact the future election. You are creative in your spin...
You are railing against reality. The party which wins the WH almost always loses mid-term election. Ergo one must presume that will be the outcome unless one does something to change it. Such hardly unique to Trump. It has been the case for both parties.
At this point, the median polling seems to be showing a likely narrow loss of the House, and a likely narrow retention of the Senate. Nothing extraordinary. Just what is expected.
We also know this: the admin did enact the proper program as quickly as possible. It will have enormously positive impacts. Whether those impacts happen in time or not remains to be seen. But the benchmarks seem to be showing that what needs to happen is starting to happen. So I wouldn't get too far out over your skis at this point. You might be disappointed.
Yeah, unless you guys are looking to spin a different narrative, then its history is not a good indicator of the future...
Or, when it was Clinton or Obama it was there job performance. With Trump, its just going to happen.
If he does a good job, you don't lose seats. We have seen it in both the House and the Senate. If he does things the American people don't like, you lose seats.
Clinton lost 50+ in the first term and gained 5 in the second at midterms. Why? 1st term he opened with taxes and health care. 2nd, he got on board with Newt. America liked the 2nd, not the 1st.
Bush gained 8 in the first term and lost 32 in the second. Why? 1st term 911, America approved how he handled it. 2nd term, Iraq. America did not approve.
You come in and believe you have a mandate and you are going to lose seats in the House. This group did that in spades. This is the reconciliation. But, it is based on actions, not some pre-conceived rule that the GOP was losing the House in 2026.
That is spin. Do what the American people want, you gain seats. Do what they don't, you lose. Simple as that.
It is consistent because incoming Presidents typically do not think that way and go nuts on their agendas OR world events get them. Midterms are a reconciliation based on what the Administration DOES. You are acting like Trump is some by-stander here and it really is beyond his control. It is because of what he does.
I do find mid-terms fascinating.
LOL.
Your problem starts by conflating garden variety cynicism with critical thinking.
Maybe. I admit my distrust of the current Admin freely. You and some others here are using metrics to back into an agenda you support. Not looking at the data and analyzing for findings. I get it, you are vested in Trump. He has to be successful as you guys have invested so much in him. So much so, that you are allowing and blessing behaviors you would never approve in other Presidents totally subscribing to the ends justifies the means.
Looking inward, do I view Trump with wariness and distrust, yes. I have clearly said that since his nomination. I have stated why and documented it from Atlantic City to his tactics in NY getting loans forgiven to his move to Reality TV to January 6th to his cyber moves and now Epstein (there are more, but you get the point). I do not trust anything he does. Everything he has been involved in has started well and crashed and burned as some point. If it turns out well, I will give him credit, but he has NO benefit of the doubt or leeway. I have seen him in NY and FL since 1975, buyer beware...
LOL. You cannot envision a scenario where you might be wrong....even though over and over and over, issue after issue, you keep running into walls, taking ever more extreme positions to avoid dealing with reality.
More "metrics."
HUGE SHIFT: January’s deficit just fell to $95 BILLION — a 26% decrease from last year 🔥
— A Man Of Memes (@RickyDoggin) February 13, 2026
Revenue climbed 9%. Spending rose just 2%. Tariff revenue surged to $27.7B — nearly four times pre-tariff levels.
Year-to-date deficit is down 17%.
That’s not spin — that’s math.
For months,… pic.twitter.com/skQaqKnqFg
I have said numerous times when you post economic data, that is great. I HOPE you are right. I hope it holds and the economy does soar. I can only applaud a quarter at a time, dude. At the end of his term if this all holds I will be first to applaud. I have just as much invested in this working as the rest of the US. Hell, if it goes where you say I will retire early.
You guys seem to like talking about what we disagree. I don't know why you guys approach politics as right and wrong? It is not a contest, it is a sliding scale. And, believe it or not there are overlaps between the left and right. I don't look at any of this as right and wrong, too big for black and white. The whole thing is one big gray area.
I am not getting sucked into fights anymore with idiots. You are one of the ones I like talking to because even if we disagree you supply data to review. There are a bunch others, but no more discussions with some.
whiterock said:nein51 said:whiterock said:nein51 said:
Enjoy that while it lasts because we are going to get destroyed at midterms unless the economy picks up dramatically and everyone that does planning/production that I know has no upturn until Q1/Q2 of 2027.
Mid-terms were lost the day Trump was inaugurated. We are in a decent position to rescue them. His policies are now in place and manifestly bearing fruit. Will it be enough? Dunno. Polling does seem to have stabilized and in some instances is ticking up slightly.
That's not going to happen. Again, unless there is a huge surge in the economy it's going to be a slaughter.
And lo & behold, there is a huge surge building in the economy......
I'm not predicting we will hold onto both Houses of Congress.
I'm saying the stuff that needs to happen to do so is, at this moment, actually happening.
Will it be enough, soon enough.....and will the public perceive it or get distracted by something else......who knows. But if you're gaming a way to defeat historical precedents, the opening moves are looking like they need to look
There is a lot of time before mid-terms, we will get March, June and September numbers before election day. If this continues to build like you say, Senate should be safe and the HOR close enough to at least have influence.
Trump needs some calm time, no mis-steps. No shootings. No bombshells. Build the economy, make nice with Europe (sending Rubio instead of Vance was good move this week), and let Epstein play out (Don't do another Bondi...). Don't invade Iran.
whiterock said:nein51 said:whiterock said:nein51 said:
Enjoy that while it lasts because we are going to get destroyed at midterms unless the economy picks up dramatically and everyone that does planning/production that I know has no upturn until Q1/Q2 of 2027.
Mid-terms were lost the day Trump was inaugurated. We are in a decent position to rescue them. His policies are now in place and manifestly bearing fruit. Will it be enough? Dunno. Polling does seem to have stabilized and in some instances is ticking up slightly.
That's not going to happen. Again, unless there is a huge surge in the economy it's going to be a slaughter.
And lo & behold, there is a huge surge building in the economy......
I'm not predicting we will hold onto both Houses of Congress.
I'm saying the stuff that needs to happen to do so is, at this moment, actually happening.
Will it be enough, soon enough.....and will the public perceive it or get distracted by something else......who knows. But if you're gaming a way to defeat historical precedents, the opening moves are looking like they need to look
I run my own business I deal with several hundred customers a week. If there's some huge surge building someone should tell them about.