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This is disappointing. RFK been taking Ls this week.
No doubt lobbyists have been dumping millions of $$$$$ against Kennedy's efforts.
Yep...that was my first thought
My daughter follows Kennedys efforts almost daily…, then sets new rules on what my wife and I can feed her children.
At first I thought it was a bit extreme…..but after making my own investigations…..realize Kennedy is right far more often than wrong.
So maybe that will be Kennedy's real legacy .
In that he got almost everyone far more concerned about exactly what they are consuming.
RFK seems like kind of a kook on some things...but I think he's definitely on the right track with trying to put pressure on companies getting rid of many of the additives they use.

Yet, now he is for Roundup.
outlawing Roundup from ag would crater the ag industry. So much of the industry is predicated on its use....equipment, seed varieties, tillage practices, etc.....
Not saying we could not adjust to a Roundup-free world. Saying that there would need to be a years-long transition plan to keep food prices from soaring due to short supply.
Devil of a choice
Either poison ourselves from the overuse of herbicides, pesticides, and fungicides……..
or return to the days of massive starvation throughout Asia and Africa.
My vote would be to feed our planet's billions.
Not that hard of a choice. Let them starve instead of poisoning ourselves.
I should not be getting poisoned for some people in Asia and Africa. If they haven't figured out how to farm sustainably on their land after thousands of years that is not my fault. I should not be poisoned for them.
So yeah not a difficult choice at all.
Certainly respect your right to your opinion.
However tens of millions have died of starvation as late as the 1960's.
And the world's population is even larger now.
In addition farm acreage is down.
So we either continue to increase our food production per acre or face severe famines. ( in grad school I minored in plant pathology…..without our huge success in manipulating plant genetics we would be in a world of hurt right now )
Without herbicides, pesticides, and fungicides……food production per acre would immediately plummet.
So it is easy to say let em starve …..because none of us have ever been impacted by food shortages…..so far.
( BTW there were massive famines in Europe as late as the 1930's…..several million starved to death. )
Blah blah blah
So we poison ourselves because other countries haven't learned how to farm.
Got it.
I never said don't use herbicide, pesticide, or fungicides. Just don't use ones that poison us.
There have been famines in the late 20th century and 21st century. But that still doesn't mean we should poison ourselves to feed people too stupid to learn how to farm.
There are plenty of things we can use for those 3 things that don't poison us. That is all we need. No poison.
Stop poisoning us. It IS that simple. PERIOD.
Nothing is THAT simple. It is all about evaluating risks vs gains. Other countries 'know how to farm'. However insect infestations develope....resistance spins in ever quicker cycles.....blights come out of nowhere.....soils require cost effective fertilizers...
Without high productivity PER ACRE.....another series of famines is inevitable.
On my own operation we certainly used chemicals. ( although never growth hormone on our cattle ) There are few viable options in mono cultures.
People have to eat and food has to be affordable.
In addition we have to address feeding 7.5 billion people on an ever decreasing amount of farm ground.
Somehow we have to find a balance....but even some of our current chemicals are losing their effectiveness..
Other than continued manipulation of plant genetics......can't see any risk free solutions.