Trump's first 100 days

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Linking your opinion to Fuentes is a bad plan.

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Lmao. He's only going off of Trumps own campaign promises

Mass deportations and no new wars! Trump has betrayed his voters
Sic 'em Bears and Go Birds
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boognish_bear said:




"Lack of support from allies..."

Tucker should be awarded the Noble Peace Prize.
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good catch. thanks.
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The_barBEARian said:

boognish_bear said:




"Lack of support from allies..."

Tucker should be awarded the Noble Peace Prize.

Alfred Nobel agrees with you.
Call it a tax, the people are outraged! Call it a tariff, the people get out their checkbooks and wave their American flags!!!
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Exhibit 345 of something that would get you fired immediately in the private sector but as a politician or famous athlete/actor, it will get a pass.






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KaiBear said:

cowboycwr said:

KaiBear said:

whiterock said:

FLBear5630 said:

boognish_bear said:

KaiBear said:

boognish_bear said:

KaiBear said:

boognish_bear said:

This is disappointing. RFK been taking Ls this week.




No doubt lobbyists have been dumping millions of $$$$$ against Kennedy's efforts.


Yep...that was my first thought


My daughter follows Kennedys efforts almost daily…, then sets new rules on what my wife and I can feed her children.

At first I thought it was a bit extreme…..but after making my own investigations…..realize Kennedy is right far more often than wrong.

So maybe that will be Kennedy's real legacy .

In that he got almost everyone far more concerned about exactly what they are consuming.


RFK seems like kind of a kook on some things...but I think he's definitely on the right track with trying to put pressure on companies getting rid of many of the additives they use.



Yet, now he is for Roundup.

outlawing Roundup from ag would crater the ag industry. So much of the industry is predicated on its use....equipment, seed varieties, tillage practices, etc.....

Not saying we could not adjust to a Roundup-free world. Saying that there would need to be a years-long transition plan to keep food prices from soaring due to short supply.


Devil of a choice

Either poison ourselves from the overuse of herbicides, pesticides, and fungicides……..

or return to the days of massive starvation throughout Asia and Africa.

My vote would be to feed our planet's billions.


Not that hard of a choice. Let them starve instead of poisoning ourselves.

I should not be getting poisoned for some people in Asia and Africa. If they haven't figured out how to farm sustainably on their land after thousands of years that is not my fault. I should not be poisoned for them.

So yeah not a difficult choice at all.


Certainly respect your right to your opinion.

However tens of millions have died of starvation as late as the 1960's.

And the world's population is even larger now.

In addition farm acreage is down.


So we either continue to increase our food production per acre or face severe famines. ( in grad school I minored in plant pathology…..without our huge success in manipulating plant genetics we would be in a world of hurt right now )

Without herbicides, pesticides, and fungicides……food production per acre would immediately plummet.

So it is easy to say let em starve …..because none of us have ever been impacted by food shortages…..so far.

( BTW there were massive famines in Europe as late as the 1930's…..several million starved to death. )







Blah blah blah

So we poison ourselves because other countries haven't learned how to farm.

Got it.

I never said don't use herbicide, pesticide, or fungicides. Just don't use ones that poison us.

There have been famines in the late 20th century and 21st century. But that still doesn't mean we should poison ourselves to feed people too stupid to learn how to farm.

There are plenty of things we can use for those 3 things that don't poison us. That is all we need. No poison.

Stop poisoning us. It IS that simple. PERIOD.
boognish_bear
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Jack Bauer said:

Exhibit 345 of something that would get you fired immediately in the private sector but as a politician or famous athlete/actor, it will get a pass.









What a creep
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nein51 said:

Jack Bauer said:



I mean…they had already located her body and what, exactly, is the director of an organization really supposed to do about that? It's not like he's a beat cop.


I have not seen they found her body. When did this happen? I did a google search and found no news articles claiming that. Just some social media posts claiming it and that the FBI is covering it up.
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Long...but interesting take

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cowboycwr said:

KaiBear said:

cowboycwr said:

KaiBear said:

whiterock said:

FLBear5630 said:

boognish_bear said:

KaiBear said:

boognish_bear said:

KaiBear said:

boognish_bear said:

This is disappointing. RFK been taking Ls this week.




No doubt lobbyists have been dumping millions of $$$$$ against Kennedy's efforts.


Yep...that was my first thought


My daughter follows Kennedys efforts almost daily…, then sets new rules on what my wife and I can feed her children.

At first I thought it was a bit extreme…..but after making my own investigations…..realize Kennedy is right far more often than wrong.

So maybe that will be Kennedy's real legacy .

In that he got almost everyone far more concerned about exactly what they are consuming.


RFK seems like kind of a kook on some things...but I think he's definitely on the right track with trying to put pressure on companies getting rid of many of the additives they use.



Yet, now he is for Roundup.

outlawing Roundup from ag would crater the ag industry. So much of the industry is predicated on its use....equipment, seed varieties, tillage practices, etc.....

Not saying we could not adjust to a Roundup-free world. Saying that there would need to be a years-long transition plan to keep food prices from soaring due to short supply.


Devil of a choice

Either poison ourselves from the overuse of herbicides, pesticides, and fungicides……..

or return to the days of massive starvation throughout Asia and Africa.

My vote would be to feed our planet's billions.


Not that hard of a choice. Let them starve instead of poisoning ourselves.

I should not be getting poisoned for some people in Asia and Africa. If they haven't figured out how to farm sustainably on their land after thousands of years that is not my fault. I should not be poisoned for them.

So yeah not a difficult choice at all.


Certainly respect your right to your opinion.

However tens of millions have died of starvation as late as the 1960's.

And the world's population is even larger now.

In addition farm acreage is down.


So we either continue to increase our food production per acre or face severe famines. ( in grad school I minored in plant pathology…..without our huge success in manipulating plant genetics we would be in a world of hurt right now )

Without herbicides, pesticides, and fungicides……food production per acre would immediately plummet.

So it is easy to say let em starve …..because none of us have ever been impacted by food shortages…..so far.

( BTW there were massive famines in Europe as late as the 1930's…..several million starved to death. )







Blah blah blah

So we poison ourselves because other countries haven't learned how to farm.

Got it.

I never said don't use herbicide, pesticide, or fungicides. Just don't use ones that poison us.

There have been famines in the late 20th century and 21st century. But that still doesn't mean we should poison ourselves to feed people too stupid to learn how to farm.

There are plenty of things we can use for those 3 things that don't poison us. That is all we need. No poison.

Stop poisoning us. It IS that simple. PERIOD.




Nothing is THAT simple. It is all about evaluating risks vs gains. Other countries 'know how to farm'. However insect infestations develope....resistance spins in ever quicker cycles.....blights come out of nowhere.....soils require cost effective fertilizers...

Without high productivity PER ACRE.....another series of famines is inevitable.

On my own operation we certainly used chemicals. ( although never growth hormone on our cattle ) There are few viable options in mono cultures.

People have to eat and food has to be affordable.

In addition we have to address feeding 7.5 billion people on an ever decreasing amount of farm ground.

Somehow we have to find a balance....but even some of our current chemicals are losing their effectiveness..

Other than continued manipulation of plant genetics......can't see any risk free solutions.
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cowboycwr said:

nein51 said:

Jack Bauer said:



I mean…they had already located her body and what, exactly, is the director of an organization really supposed to do about that? It's not like he's a beat cop.


I have not seen they found her body. When did this happen? I did a google search and found no news articles claiming that. Just some social media posts claiming it and that the FBI is covering it up.
I swear I saw an update on a news site the other day saying they found her body. My mistake as I haven't followed closely.

In any event the point stands. Thats not really his role.
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KaiBear said:

cowboycwr said:

KaiBear said:

cowboycwr said:

KaiBear said:

whiterock said:

FLBear5630 said:

boognish_bear said:

KaiBear said:

boognish_bear said:

KaiBear said:

boognish_bear said:

This is disappointing. RFK been taking Ls this week.




No doubt lobbyists have been dumping millions of $$$$$ against Kennedy's efforts.


Yep...that was my first thought


My daughter follows Kennedys efforts almost daily…, then sets new rules on what my wife and I can feed her children.

At first I thought it was a bit extreme…..but after making my own investigations…..realize Kennedy is right far more often than wrong.

So maybe that will be Kennedy's real legacy .

In that he got almost everyone far more concerned about exactly what they are consuming.


RFK seems like kind of a kook on some things...but I think he's definitely on the right track with trying to put pressure on companies getting rid of many of the additives they use.



Yet, now he is for Roundup.

outlawing Roundup from ag would crater the ag industry. So much of the industry is predicated on its use....equipment, seed varieties, tillage practices, etc.....

Not saying we could not adjust to a Roundup-free world. Saying that there would need to be a years-long transition plan to keep food prices from soaring due to short supply.


Devil of a choice

Either poison ourselves from the overuse of herbicides, pesticides, and fungicides……..

or return to the days of massive starvation throughout Asia and Africa.

My vote would be to feed our planet's billions.


Not that hard of a choice. Let them starve instead of poisoning ourselves.

I should not be getting poisoned for some people in Asia and Africa. If they haven't figured out how to farm sustainably on their land after thousands of years that is not my fault. I should not be poisoned for them.

So yeah not a difficult choice at all.


Certainly respect your right to your opinion.

However tens of millions have died of starvation as late as the 1960's.

And the world's population is even larger now.

In addition farm acreage is down.


So we either continue to increase our food production per acre or face severe famines. ( in grad school I minored in plant pathology…..without our huge success in manipulating plant genetics we would be in a world of hurt right now )

Without herbicides, pesticides, and fungicides……food production per acre would immediately plummet.

So it is easy to say let em starve …..because none of us have ever been impacted by food shortages…..so far.

( BTW there were massive famines in Europe as late as the 1930's…..several million starved to death. )







Blah blah blah

So we poison ourselves because other countries haven't learned how to farm.

Got it.

I never said don't use herbicide, pesticide, or fungicides. Just don't use ones that poison us.

There have been famines in the late 20th century and 21st century. But that still doesn't mean we should poison ourselves to feed people too stupid to learn how to farm.

There are plenty of things we can use for those 3 things that don't poison us. That is all we need. No poison.

Stop poisoning us. It IS that simple. PERIOD.




Nothing is THAT simple. It is all about evaluating risks vs gains. Other countries 'know how to farm'. However insect infestations develope....resistance spins in ever quicker cycles.....blights come out of nowhere.....soils require cost effective fertilizers...

Without high productivity PER ACRE.....another series of famines is inevitable.

On my own operation we certainly used chemicals. ( although never growth hormone on our cattle ) There are few viable options in mono cultures.

People have to eat and food has to be affordable.

In addition we have to address feeding 7.5 billion people on an ever decreasing amount of farm ground.

Somehow we have to find a balance....but even some of our current chemicals are losing their effectiveness..

Other than continued manipulation of plant genetics......can't see any risk free solutions.


It is a transition, not cold turkey. I agree with need a balance. Deregulating is not the answer, history has shown we cannot trust the Private Sector to do the right thing...


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FLBear5630 said:

KaiBear said:

cowboycwr said:

KaiBear said:

cowboycwr said:

KaiBear said:

whiterock said:

FLBear5630 said:

boognish_bear said:

KaiBear said:

boognish_bear said:

KaiBear said:

boognish_bear said:

This is disappointing. RFK been taking Ls this week.




No doubt lobbyists have been dumping millions of $$$$$ against Kennedy's efforts.


Yep...that was my first thought


My daughter follows Kennedys efforts almost daily…, then sets new rules on what my wife and I can feed her children.

At first I thought it was a bit extreme…..but after making my own investigations…..realize Kennedy is right far more often than wrong.

So maybe that will be Kennedy's real legacy .

In that he got almost everyone far more concerned about exactly what they are consuming.


RFK seems like kind of a kook on some things...but I think he's definitely on the right track with trying to put pressure on companies getting rid of many of the additives they use.



Yet, now he is for Roundup.

outlawing Roundup from ag would crater the ag industry. So much of the industry is predicated on its use....equipment, seed varieties, tillage practices, etc.....

Not saying we could not adjust to a Roundup-free world. Saying that there would need to be a years-long transition plan to keep food prices from soaring due to short supply.


Devil of a choice

Either poison ourselves from the overuse of herbicides, pesticides, and fungicides……..

or return to the days of massive starvation throughout Asia and Africa.

My vote would be to feed our planet's billions.


Not that hard of a choice. Let them starve instead of poisoning ourselves.

I should not be getting poisoned for some people in Asia and Africa. If they haven't figured out how to farm sustainably on their land after thousands of years that is not my fault. I should not be poisoned for them.

So yeah not a difficult choice at all.


Certainly respect your right to your opinion.

However tens of millions have died of starvation as late as the 1960's.

And the world's population is even larger now.

In addition farm acreage is down.


So we either continue to increase our food production per acre or face severe famines. ( in grad school I minored in plant pathology…..without our huge success in manipulating plant genetics we would be in a world of hurt right now )

Without herbicides, pesticides, and fungicides……food production per acre would immediately plummet.

So it is easy to say let em starve …..because none of us have ever been impacted by food shortages…..so far.

( BTW there were massive famines in Europe as late as the 1930's…..several million starved to death. )







Blah blah blah

So we poison ourselves because other countries haven't learned how to farm.

Got it.

I never said don't use herbicide, pesticide, or fungicides. Just don't use ones that poison us.

There have been famines in the late 20th century and 21st century. But that still doesn't mean we should poison ourselves to feed people too stupid to learn how to farm.

There are plenty of things we can use for those 3 things that don't poison us. That is all we need. No poison.

Stop poisoning us. It IS that simple. PERIOD.




Nothing is THAT simple. It is all about evaluating risks vs gains. Other countries 'know how to farm'. However insect infestations develope....resistance spins in ever quicker cycles.....blights come out of nowhere.....soils require cost effective fertilizers...

Without high productivity PER ACRE.....another series of famines is inevitable.

On my own operation we certainly used chemicals. ( although never growth hormone on our cattle ) There are few viable options in mono cultures.

People have to eat and food has to be affordable.

In addition we have to address feeding 7.5 billion people on an ever decreasing amount of farm ground.

Somehow we have to find a balance....but even some of our current chemicals are losing their effectiveness..

Other than continued manipulation of plant genetics......can't see any risk free solutions.


It is a transition, not cold turkey. I agree with need a balance. Deregulating is not the answer, history has shown we cannot trust the Private Sector to do the right thing...




The private sector is the only reason we are not starving or dead. Govenment is loaded with mediocre individuals who couldn't cut it in a competitive environment.

Chemical companies are not 'evil'. They are constantly attempting to produce safer pesticides and herbicides that are staying ahead of resistent issues. Farmers and ranchers are trying to stay solvent in a incredably challenging world.
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KaiBear said:

FLBear5630 said:

KaiBear said:

cowboycwr said:

KaiBear said:

cowboycwr said:

KaiBear said:

whiterock said:

FLBear5630 said:

boognish_bear said:

KaiBear said:

boognish_bear said:

KaiBear said:

boognish_bear said:

This is disappointing. RFK been taking Ls this week.




No doubt lobbyists have been dumping millions of $$$$$ against Kennedy's efforts.


Yep...that was my first thought


My daughter follows Kennedys efforts almost daily…, then sets new rules on what my wife and I can feed her children.

At first I thought it was a bit extreme…..but after making my own investigations…..realize Kennedy is right far more often than wrong.

So maybe that will be Kennedy's real legacy .

In that he got almost everyone far more concerned about exactly what they are consuming.


RFK seems like kind of a kook on some things...but I think he's definitely on the right track with trying to put pressure on companies getting rid of many of the additives they use.



Yet, now he is for Roundup.

outlawing Roundup from ag would crater the ag industry. So much of the industry is predicated on its use....equipment, seed varieties, tillage practices, etc.....

Not saying we could not adjust to a Roundup-free world. Saying that there would need to be a years-long transition plan to keep food prices from soaring due to short supply.


Devil of a choice

Either poison ourselves from the overuse of herbicides, pesticides, and fungicides……..

or return to the days of massive starvation throughout Asia and Africa.

My vote would be to feed our planet's billions.


Not that hard of a choice. Let them starve instead of poisoning ourselves.

I should not be getting poisoned for some people in Asia and Africa. If they haven't figured out how to farm sustainably on their land after thousands of years that is not my fault. I should not be poisoned for them.

So yeah not a difficult choice at all.


Certainly respect your right to your opinion.

However tens of millions have died of starvation as late as the 1960's.

And the world's population is even larger now.

In addition farm acreage is down.


So we either continue to increase our food production per acre or face severe famines. ( in grad school I minored in plant pathology…..without our huge success in manipulating plant genetics we would be in a world of hurt right now )

Without herbicides, pesticides, and fungicides……food production per acre would immediately plummet.

So it is easy to say let em starve …..because none of us have ever been impacted by food shortages…..so far.

( BTW there were massive famines in Europe as late as the 1930's…..several million starved to death. )







Blah blah blah

So we poison ourselves because other countries haven't learned how to farm.

Got it.

I never said don't use herbicide, pesticide, or fungicides. Just don't use ones that poison us.

There have been famines in the late 20th century and 21st century. But that still doesn't mean we should poison ourselves to feed people too stupid to learn how to farm.

There are plenty of things we can use for those 3 things that don't poison us. That is all we need. No poison.

Stop poisoning us. It IS that simple. PERIOD.




Nothing is THAT simple. It is all about evaluating risks vs gains. Other countries 'know how to farm'. However insect infestations develope....resistance spins in ever quicker cycles.....blights come out of nowhere.....soils require cost effective fertilizers...

Without high productivity PER ACRE.....another series of famines is inevitable.

On my own operation we certainly used chemicals. ( although never growth hormone on our cattle ) There are few viable options in mono cultures.

People have to eat and food has to be affordable.

In addition we have to address feeding 7.5 billion people on an ever decreasing amount of farm ground.

Somehow we have to find a balance....but even some of our current chemicals are losing their effectiveness..

Other than continued manipulation of plant genetics......can't see any risk free solutions.


It is a transition, not cold turkey. I agree with need a balance. Deregulating is not the answer, history has shown we cannot trust the Private Sector to do the right thing...




The private sector is the only reason we are not starving or dead. Govenment is loaded with mediocre individuals who couldn't cut it in a competitive environment.

No one is saying to rely on Government to run businesses, just to make sure they don't use poison so we have rivers burn again.
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KaiBear said:

FLBear5630 said:

KaiBear said:

cowboycwr said:

KaiBear said:

cowboycwr said:

KaiBear said:

whiterock said:

FLBear5630 said:

boognish_bear said:

KaiBear said:

boognish_bear said:

KaiBear said:

boognish_bear said:

This is disappointing. RFK been taking Ls this week.

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Certainly respect your right to your opinion.

However tens of millions have died of starvation as late as the 1960's.

And the world's population is even larger now.

In addition farm acreage is down.


So we either continue to increase our food production per acre or face severe famines. ( in grad school I minored in plant pathology…..without our huge success in manipulating plant genetics we would be in a world of hurt right now )

Without herbicides, pesticides, and fungicides……food production per acre would immediately plummet.

So it is easy to say let em starve …..because none of us have ever been impacted by food shortages…..so far.

( BTW there were massive famines in Europe as late as the 1930's…..several million starved to death. )







Blah blah blah

So we poison ourselves because other countries haven't learned how to farm.

Got it.

I never said don't use herbicide, pesticide, or fungicides. Just don't use ones that poison us.

There have been famines in the late 20th century and 21st century. But that still doesn't mean we should poison ourselves to feed people too stupid to learn how to farm.

There are plenty of things we can use for those 3 things that don't poison us. That is all we need. No poison.

Stop poisoning us. It IS that simple. PERIOD.




Nothing is THAT simple. It is all....

Other than continued manipulation of plant genetics......can't see any risk free solutions.


It is a transition, not cold turkey. I agree with need a balance. Deregulating is not the answer, history has shown we cannot trust the Private Sector to do the right thing...




The private sector is the only reason we are not starving or dead. Govenment is loaded with mediocre individuals who couldn't cut it in a competitive environment.

Chemical companies are not 'evil'. They are constantly attempting to produce safer pesticides and herbicides that are staying ahead of resistent issues. Farmers and ranchers are trying to stay solvent in a incredably challenging world.

pro ecclesia, pro javelina
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FLBear5630 said:

KaiBear said:

cowboycwr said:

KaiBear said:

cowboycwr said:

KaiBear said:

whiterock said:

FLBear5630 said:

boognish_bear said:

KaiBear said:

boognish_bear said:

KaiBear said:

boognish_bear said:

This is disappointing. RFK been taking Ls this week.




No doubt lobbyists have been dumping millions of $$$$$ against Kennedy's efforts.


Yep...that was my first thought


My daughter follows Kennedys efforts almost daily…, then sets new rules on what my wife and I can feed her children.

At first I thought it was a bit extreme…..but after making my own investigations…..realize Kennedy is right far more often than wrong.

So maybe that will be Kennedy's real legacy .

In that he got almost everyone far more concerned about exactly what they are consuming.


RFK seems like kind of a kook on some things...but I think he's definitely on the right track with trying to put pressure on companies getting rid of many of the additives they use.



Yet, now he is for Roundup.

outlawing Roundup from ag would crater the ag industry. So much of the industry is predicated on its use....equipment, seed varieties, tillage practices, etc.....

Not saying we could not adjust to a Roundup-free world. Saying that there would need to be a years-long transition plan to keep food prices from soaring due to short supply.


Devil of a choice

Either poison ourselves from the overuse of herbicides, pesticides, and fungicides……..

or return to the days of massive starvation throughout Asia and Africa.

My vote would be to feed our planet's billions.


Not that hard of a choice. Let them starve instead of poisoning ourselves.

I should not be getting poisoned for some people in Asia and Africa. If they haven't figured out how to farm sustainably on their land after thousands of years that is not my fault. I should not be poisoned for them.

So yeah not a difficult choice at all.


Certainly respect your right to your opinion.

However tens of millions have died of starvation as late as the 1960's.

And the world's population is even larger now.

In addition farm acreage is down.


So we either continue to increase our food production per acre or face severe famines. ( in grad school I minored in plant pathology…..without our huge success in manipulating plant genetics we would be in a world of hurt right now )

Without herbicides, pesticides, and fungicides……food production per acre would immediately plummet.

So it is easy to say let em starve …..because none of us have ever been impacted by food shortages…..so far.

( BTW there were massive famines in Europe as late as the 1930's…..several million starved to death. )







Blah blah blah

So we poison ourselves because other countries haven't learned how to farm.

Got it.

I never said don't use herbicide, pesticide, or fungicides. Just don't use ones that poison us.

There have been famines in the late 20th century and 21st century. But that still doesn't mean we should poison ourselves to feed people too stupid to learn how to farm.

There are plenty of things we can use for those 3 things that don't poison us. That is all we need. No poison.

Stop poisoning us. It IS that simple. PERIOD.




Nothing is THAT simple. It is all about evaluating risks vs gains. Other countries 'know how to farm'. However insect infestations develope....resistance spins in ever quicker cycles.....blights come out of nowhere.....soils require cost effective fertilizers...

Without high productivity PER ACRE.....another series of famines is inevitable.

On my own operation we certainly used chemicals. ( although never growth hormone on our cattle ) There are few viable options in mono cultures.

People have to eat and food has to be affordable.

In addition we have to address feeding 7.5 billion people on an ever decreasing amount of farm ground.

Somehow we have to find a balance....but even some of our current chemicals are losing their effectiveness..

Other than continued manipulation of plant genetics......can't see any risk free solutions.


It is a transition, not cold turkey. I agree with need a balance. Deregulating is not the answer, history has shown we cannot trust the Private Sector to do the right thing...



Said no independent moderate ever...
Our vibrations were getting nasty. But why? I was puzzled, frustrated... Had we deteriorated to the level of dumb beasts?

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Jack Bauer said:

Exhibit 345 of something that would get you fired immediately in the private sector but as a politician or famous athlete/actor, it will get a pass.









This will gain traction. He may not step down (Johnson has to call for it) but he will gain notoriety.
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KaiBear said:

FLBear5630 said:

KaiBear said:

cowboycwr said:

KaiBear said:

cowboycwr said:

KaiBear said:

whiterock said:

FLBear5630 said:

boognish_bear said:

KaiBear said:

boognish_bear said:

KaiBear said:

boognish_bear said:

This is disappointing. RFK been taking Ls this week.




No doubt lobbyists have been dumping millions of $$$$$ against Kennedy's efforts.


Yep...that was my first thought


My daughter follows Kennedys efforts almost daily…, then sets new rules on what my wife and I can feed her children.

At first I thought it was a bit extreme…..but after making my own investigations…..realize Kennedy is right far more often than wrong.

So maybe that will be Kennedy's real legacy .

In that he got almost everyone far more concerned about exactly what they are consuming.


RFK seems like kind of a kook on some things...but I think he's definitely on the right track with trying to put pressure on companies getting rid of many of the additives they use.



Yet, now he is for Roundup.

outlawing Roundup from ag would crater the ag industry. So much of the industry is predicated on its use....equipment, seed varieties, tillage practices, etc.....

Not saying we could not adjust to a Roundup-free world. Saying that there would need to be a years-long transition plan to keep food prices from soaring due to short supply.


Devil of a choice

Either poison ourselves from the overuse of herbicides, pesticides, and fungicides……..

or return to the days of massive starvation throughout Asia and Africa.

My vote would be to feed our planet's billions.


Not that hard of a choice. Let them starve instead of poisoning ourselves.

I should not be getting poisoned for some people in Asia and Africa. If they haven't figured out how to farm sustainably on their land after thousands of years that is not my fault. I should not be poisoned for them.

So yeah not a difficult choice at all.


Certainly respect your right to your opinion.

However tens of millions have died of starvation as late as the 1960's.

And the world's population is even larger now.

In addition farm acreage is down.


So we either continue to increase our food production per acre or face severe famines. ( in grad school I minored in plant pathology…..without our huge success in manipulating plant genetics we would be in a world of hurt right now )

Without herbicides, pesticides, and fungicides……food production per acre would immediately plummet.

So it is easy to say let em starve …..because none of us have ever been impacted by food shortages…..so far.

( BTW there were massive famines in Europe as late as the 1930's…..several million starved to death. )







Blah blah blah

So we poison ourselves because other countries haven't learned how to farm.

Got it.

I never said don't use herbicide, pesticide, or fungicides. Just don't use ones that poison us.

There have been famines in the late 20th century and 21st century. But that still doesn't mean we should poison ourselves to feed people too stupid to learn how to farm.

There are plenty of things we can use for those 3 things that don't poison us. That is all we need. No poison.

Stop poisoning us. It IS that simple. PERIOD.




Nothing is THAT simple. It is all about evaluating risks vs gains. Other countries 'know how to farm'. However insect infestations develope....resistance spins in ever quicker cycles.....blights come out of nowhere.....soils require cost effective fertilizers...

Without high productivity PER ACRE.....another series of famines is inevitable.

On my own operation we certainly used chemicals. ( although never growth hormone on our cattle ) There are few viable options in mono cultures.

People have to eat and food has to be affordable.

In addition we have to address feeding 7.5 billion people on an ever decreasing amount of farm ground.

Somehow we have to find a balance....but even some of our current chemicals are losing their effectiveness..

Other than continued manipulation of plant genetics......can't see any risk free solutions.


It is a transition, not cold turkey. I agree with need a balance. Deregulating is not the answer, history has shown we cannot trust the Private Sector to do the right thing...




The private sector is the only reason we are not starving or dead. Govenment is loaded with mediocre individuals who couldn't cut it in a competitive environment.

Chemical companies are not 'evil'. They are constantly attempting to produce safer pesticides and herbicides that are staying ahead of resistent issues. Farmers and ranchers are trying to stay solvent in a incredably challenging world.

Once again, who is disagreeing with you?

The only change I would make to your statement is that "Government AND Private Sector is loaded with mediocre people." Mediocracy is not a Government only issue, I have seen more than my share of private sector and development idiots. Actually, most of the Developers I know of are farmers that couldn't make it, so they cashed in the family legacy. Scratch the dirt off a farmer, you get a developer.

If they find out something is poison, don't use it on our food and in our water. Not a high bar.

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How many US boots currently on the ground in Iran? Alas, we're not told, and we all know why not. How many thousand times in US history have we deployed military assets as in this case? By commanders-in-chief of which party/ies?
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FLBear5630 said:

KaiBear said:

FLBear5630 said:

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This is disappointing. RFK been taking Ls this week.




No doubt lobbyists have been dumping millions of $$$$$ against Kennedy's efforts.


Yep...that was my first thought


My daughter follows Kennedys efforts almost daily…, then sets new rules on what my wife and I can feed her children.

At first I thought it was a bit extreme…..but after making my own investigations…..realize Kennedy is right far more often than wrong.

So maybe that will be Kennedy's real legacy .

In that he got almost everyone far more concerned about exactly what they are consuming.


RFK seems like kind of a kook on some things...but I think he's definitely on the right track with trying to put pressure on companies getting rid of many of the additives they use.



Yet, now he is for Roundup.

outlawing Roundup from ag would crater the ag industry. So much of the industry is predicated on its use....equipment, seed varieties, tillage practices, etc.....

Not saying we could not adjust to a Roundup-free world. Saying that there would need to be a years-long transition plan to keep food prices from soaring due to short supply.


Devil of a choice

Either poison ourselves from the overuse of herbicides, pesticides, and fungicides……..

or return to the days of massive starvation throughout Asia and Africa.

My vote would be to feed our planet's billions.


Not that hard of a choice. Let them starve instead of poisoning ourselves.

I should not be getting poisoned for some people in Asia and Africa. If they haven't figured out how to farm sustainably on their land after thousands of years that is not my fault. I should not be poisoned for them.

So yeah not a difficult choice at all.


Certainly respect your right to your opinion.

However tens of millions have died of starvation as late as the 1960's.

And the world's population is even larger now.

In addition farm acreage is down.


So we either continue to increase our food production per acre or face severe famines. ( in grad school I minored in plant pathology…..without our huge success in manipulating plant genetics we would be in a world of hurt right now )

Without herbicides, pesticides, and fungicides……food production per acre would immediately plummet.

So it is easy to say let em starve …..because none of us have ever been impacted by food shortages…..so far.

( BTW there were massive famines in Europe as late as the 1930's…..several million starved to death. )







Blah blah blah

So we poison ourselves because other countries haven't learned how to farm.

Got it.

I never said don't use herbicide, pesticide, or fungicides. Just don't use ones that poison us.

There have been famines in the late 20th century and 21st century. But that still doesn't mean we should poison ourselves to feed people too stupid to learn how to farm.

There are plenty of things we can use for those 3 things that don't poison us. That is all we need. No poison.

Stop poisoning us. It IS that simple. PERIOD.




Nothing is THAT simple. It is all about evaluating risks vs gains. Other countries 'know how to farm'. However insect infestations develope....resistance spins in ever quicker cycles.....blights come out of nowhere.....soils require cost effective fertilizers...

Without high productivity PER ACRE.....another series of famines is inevitable.

On my own operation we certainly used chemicals. ( although never growth hormone on our cattle ) There are few viable options in mono cultures.

People have to eat and food has to be affordable.

In addition we have to address feeding 7.5 billion people on an ever decreasing amount of farm ground.

Somehow we have to find a balance....but even some of our current chemicals are losing their effectiveness..

Other than continued manipulation of plant genetics......can't see any risk free solutions.


It is a transition, not cold turkey. I agree with need a balance. Deregulating is not the answer, history has shown we cannot trust the Private Sector to do the right thing...




The private sector is the only reason we are not starving or dead. Govenment is loaded with mediocre individuals who couldn't cut it in a competitive environment.

Chemical companies are not 'evil'. They are constantly attempting to produce safer pesticides and herbicides that are staying ahead of resistent issues. Farmers and ranchers are trying to stay solvent in a incredably challenging world.

Once again, who is disagreeing with you?

The only change I would make to your statement is that "Government AND Private Sector is loaded with mediocre people." Mediocracy is not a Government only issue, I have seen more than my share of private sector and development idiots. Actually, most of the Developers I know of are farmers that couldn't make it, so they cashed in the family legacy. Scratch the dirt off a farmer, you get a developer.

If they find out something is poison, don't use it on our food and in our water. Not a high bar.




No one intentionally poisons the food supply.

It's very bad for business. Bad for their families….bad for themselves. Most products are tested both privately and through university extension services before they are ever released for sale.


Almost every single advance in agriculture, medicine and technology originated in the private sector.

Government employees are little more than parasites who didn't have the guts to work without a safety net.

So they kill time until they get their pensions.

Every single one who came on my place hated their job and hated those who succeeded in their own farm or business.
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