Oldbear83 said:
Amazing how many people will ignore actions by China and Russia, but any rumor about Trump and they wet themselves.
J.R. said:KaiBear said:The_barBEARian said:KaiBear said:J.R. said:KaiBear said:william said:nein51 said:Sam Lowry said:FLBear5630 said:Osodecentx said:nein51 said:
If this war in Iran doesn't end soon Republicans are going to get DESTROYED at midterms. They are already going to lose but I mean destroyed in epic ways.
Diesel is $5.35 right now and I'm in one of the cheaper states for fuel.
Iran is all on Biden
You are being sarcastic right.?
I'm sure he is, but sadly the ones blaming it all on Obama are not.
There is no joke that involves gifting them pallets of cash which they then used to fund every terrorist organization in the ME.
The Trump 45 sanctions had Iran fairly battened down.....
Then 'ol Sleepy Joe stumbles in and reverses everything on Day One.
- UF
And we see what happened after that......
D!
All true.
Still another of the destructive Joe Biden blunders Dem hyper partisans always have amnesia about.
Bro, come now. This is 100% the piggy show, piggy economy, piggy own goals, piggy
s war. 100% on him. That fool has no clue or plan. that is the facts.
Then Trump is the luckiest war president ever. Cause after only 3 weeks the entire Iranian government has been assassinated 3 levels down. Never have seen anything like it anywhere.
The entire iranian Navy and Air Force is destroyed. The US has total air supremacy over all of Iran. Their economy is totally at our mercy. We can destroy all their oil facilities any time we wish.
All accomplished in THREE WEEKS.
Saddam Hussein couldn't accomplish even 10% of our success in FIVE YEARS of Iraq's war with Iran.
So clearly Trump had a plan. Or at least the JCS did.
The Israelis are the ones doing all the assassinations.
This is their war and they have been planning it for decades.
I would like to know if Trump knew they were going to kill Khamenei on Day 1?
Bcs that was probably the stupidest move possible if your objective was truly to achieve regime change.
The smartest strategic move made during the Iraq war (probably due to blind luck) was not killing Saddam.
The Iraqi people were able to put him on trial and deliver justice and his supporters didnt receive any public relations wins from him being martyred by an army of foreign invaders.
So if we 'win', its all due to Israel.
If we ' lose' its all due to Trump.
LOL Little doubt the Dem media machine is prepared to delever either narrative......over and over.
100% on Both. More shade on Piggy as Izzy has something on him, like everyone else
What ifs? I laid 3 facts on you and you ostriched like you always do for Trump. You're a loyal follower, I'll give you that.Oldbear83 said:ATL Bear said:Oldbear83 said:ATL Bear said:Oldbear83 said:
Change your panties and listen to the adults instead of the screamers.
Who are these "adults"?
The adults understand that the Iran conflict will not be over by the time you get impatient, that ending a half-century of malicious fanaticism will take resolve and patience.
You didn't identify the "adults". But half century of fanaticism? Try about a millennium. A sobering "adult" reality is that Hamas still controls the majority of the population and about half the territory in Gaza. If the objective is removing Islamic fanaticism, more than patience will be required. My advice is to take the off-ramp of a mostly defanged Iranian military and fully defanged nuclear program before American soldier and sailor bodies start to escalate, and energy infrastructure in the region becomes decimated to the point global markets will take years to recover.
Go ask someone who remembers Iran pre-Ayatollah.
And change your panties again, no sense pissing yourself over what ifs.
ATL Bear said:Oldbear83 said:ATL Bear said:Oldbear83 said:ATL Bear said:Oldbear83 said:
Change your panties and listen to the adults instead of the screamers.
Who are these "adults"?
The adults understand that the Iran conflict will not be over by the time you get impatient, that ending a half-century of malicious fanaticism will take resolve and patience.
You didn't identify the "adults". But half century of fanaticism? Try about a millennium. A sobering "adult" reality is that Hamas still controls the majority of the population and about half the territory in Gaza. If the objective is removing Islamic fanaticism, more than patience will be required. My advice is to take the off-ramp of a mostly defanged Iranian military and fully defanged nuclear program before American soldier and sailor bodies start to escalate, and energy infrastructure in the region becomes decimated to the point global markets will take years to recover.
Go ask someone who remembers Iran pre-Ayatollah.
And change your panties again, no sense pissing yourself over what ifs.
What ifs? I laid 3 facts on you and you ostriched like you always do for Trump. You're a loyal follower, I'll give you that.
RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:Oldbear83 said:
Amazing how many people will ignore actions by China and Russia, but any rumor about Trump and they wet themselves.
Is the Russia/ Ukraine War still going on? Seems like we haven't heard anything about it the last three weeks. Was just wondering.
Oldbear83 said:ATL Bear said:Oldbear83 said:ATL Bear said:Oldbear83 said:ATL Bear said:Oldbear83 said:
Change your panties and listen to the adults instead of the screamers.
Who are these "adults"?
The adults understand that the Iran conflict will not be over by the time you get impatient, that ending a half-century of malicious fanaticism will take resolve and patience.
You didn't identify the "adults". But half century of fanaticism? Try about a millennium. A sobering "adult" reality is that Hamas still controls the majority of the population and about half the territory in Gaza. If the objective is removing Islamic fanaticism, more than patience will be required. My advice is to take the off-ramp of a mostly defanged Iranian military and fully defanged nuclear program before American soldier and sailor bodies start to escalate, and energy infrastructure in the region becomes decimated to the point global markets will take years to recover.
Go ask someone who remembers Iran pre-Ayatollah.
And change your panties again, no sense pissing yourself over what ifs.
What ifs? I laid 3 facts on you and you ostriched like you always do for Trump. You're a loyal follower, I'll give you that.
No, you claim things which have not happened will happen, on no evidence beyond your fear and contempt.
whiterock said:RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:Oldbear83 said:
Amazing how many people will ignore actions by China and Russia, but any rumor about Trump and they wet themselves.
Is the Russia/ Ukraine War still going on? Seems like we haven't heard anything about it the last three weeks. Was just wondering.
Ukraine has in the last few weeks retaken several hundred square kilometers of its territory that took Russia over a year and hundreds of thousands of casualties to capture. Russia is about to launch its spring offensive but will accomplish little. To be clear, the percentages of the changes involved are very, very small. But the current trend (a trickle, but a trend) seems to be to Ukraine's benefit.
I have stated here many times that the Russian war effort was likely to peak in mid-2026. Looks like that happened a couple of months ago. They are currently unable to recruit enough troops to replace losses. That puts Putin in a classic lose/lose dilemma: it is doubtful he could politically survive a peace agreement on current terms; and it is doubtful he could politically survive the general mobilization it would take to reverse current trends.
Expect no big developments. Just more of the same, with metric shyte-tons of debate about mostly inconsequential changes on the battlefield.
whiterock said:RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:Oldbear83 said:
Amazing how many people will ignore actions by China and Russia, but any rumor about Trump and they wet themselves.
Is the Russia/ Ukraine War still going on? Seems like we haven't heard anything about it the last three weeks. Was just wondering.
Ukraine has in the last few weeks retaken several hundred square kilometers of its territory that took Russia over a year and hundreds of thousands of casualties to capture. Russia is about to launch its spring offensive but will accomplish little. To be clear, the percentages of the changes involved are very, very small. But the current trend (a trickle, but a trend) seems to be to Ukraine's benefit.
I have stated here many times that the Russian war effort was likely to peak in mid-2026. Looks like that happened a couple of months ago. They are currently unable to recruit enough troops to replace losses. That puts Putin in a classic lose/lose dilemma: it is doubtful he could politically survive a peace agreement on current terms; and it is doubtful he could politically survive the general mobilization it would take to reverse current trends.
Expect no big developments. Just more of the same, with metric shyte-tons of debate about mostly inconsequential changes on the battlefield.
KaiBear said:whiterock said:RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:Oldbear83 said:
Amazing how many people will ignore actions by China and Russia, but any rumor about Trump and they wet themselves.
Is the Russia/ Ukraine War still going on? Seems like we haven't heard anything about it the last three weeks. Was just wondering.
Ukraine has in the last few weeks retaken several hundred square kilometers of its territory that took Russia over a year and hundreds of thousands of casualties to capture. Russia is about to launch its spring offensive but will accomplish little. To be clear, the percentages of the changes involved are very, very small. But the current trend (a trickle, but a trend) seems to be to Ukraine's benefit.
I have stated here many times that the Russian war effort was likely to peak in mid-2026. Looks like that happened a couple of months ago. They are currently unable to recruit enough troops to replace losses. That puts Putin in a classic lose/lose dilemma: it is doubtful he could politically survive a peace agreement on current terms; and it is doubtful he could politically survive the general mobilization it would take to reverse current trends.
Expect no big developments. Just more of the same, with metric shyte-tons of debate about mostly inconsequential changes on the battlefield.
Hope we can avoid a similar ground war nightmare in Iran.
Just destroy their power plants and oil facilities from the air and Iran's economy is finished.
FLBear5630 said:KaiBear said:whiterock said:RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:Oldbear83 said:
Amazing how many people will ignore actions by China and Russia, but any rumor about Trump and they wet themselves.
Is the Russia/ Ukraine War still going on? Seems like we haven't heard anything about it the last three weeks. Was just wondering.
Ukraine has in the last few weeks retaken several hundred square kilometers of its territory that took Russia over a year and hundreds of thousands of casualties to capture. Russia is about to launch its spring offensive but will accomplish little. To be clear, the percentages of the changes involved are very, very small. But the current trend (a trickle, but a trend) seems to be to Ukraine's benefit.
I have stated here many times that the Russian war effort was likely to peak in mid-2026. Looks like that happened a couple of months ago. They are currently unable to recruit enough troops to replace losses. That puts Putin in a classic lose/lose dilemma: it is doubtful he could politically survive a peace agreement on current terms; and it is doubtful he could politically survive the general mobilization it would take to reverse current trends.
Expect no big developments. Just more of the same, with metric shyte-tons of debate about mostly inconsequential changes on the battlefield.
Hope we can avoid a similar ground war nightmare in Iran.
Just destroy their power plants and oil facilities from the air and Iran's economy is finished.
Then what? You think the citizens of Iran are going to rejoice and be happy that the US put them back in the stone age? Who rebuilds? We have the money for that? You saw in Venezuela, with everything in place and in the western hemisphere, what we had to do to get the "private sector" to invest. Now, in the middle east???
You don't think China that has been oil thirsty and has a relationship with Iran won't come in and re-build? Can't be the Saudi's, the Sunni's and Shia hate each other. Israel? Maybe Jared Kushner?
There is no winning scenario here, which is why Reagan, Bush, Clinton, Bush 2, Obama, Trump 1 (with adults in his Cabinet) and even brain-dead Biden stayed away from this.
canoso said:FLBear5630 said:KaiBear said:whiterock said:RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:Oldbear83 said:
Amazing how many people will ignore actions by China and Russia, but any rumor about Trump and they wet themselves.
Is the Russia/ Ukraine War still going on? Seems like we haven't heard anything about it the last three weeks. Was just wondering.
Ukraine has in the last few weeks retaken several hundred square kilometers of its territory that took Russia over a year and hundreds of thousands of casualties to capture. Russia is about to launch its spring offensive but will accomplish little. To be clear, the percentages of the changes involved are very, very small. But the current trend (a trickle, but a trend) seems to be to Ukraine's benefit.
I have stated here many times that the Russian war effort was likely to peak in mid-2026. Looks like that happened a couple of months ago. They are currently unable to recruit enough troops to replace losses. That puts Putin in a classic lose/lose dilemma: it is doubtful he could politically survive a peace agreement on current terms; and it is doubtful he could politically survive the general mobilization it would take to reverse current trends.
Expect no big developments. Just more of the same, with metric shyte-tons of debate about mostly inconsequential changes on the battlefield.
Hope we can avoid a similar ground war nightmare in Iran.
Just destroy their power plants and oil facilities from the air and Iran's economy is finished.
Then what? You think the citizens of Iran are going to rejoice and be happy that the US put them back in the stone age? Who rebuilds? We have the money for that? You saw in Venezuela, with everything in place and in the western hemisphere, what we had to do to get the "private sector" to invest. Now, in the middle east???
You don't think China that has been oil thirsty and has a relationship with Iran won't come in and re-build? Can't be the Saudi's, the Sunni's and Shia hate each other. Israel? Maybe Jared Kushner?
There is no winning scenario here, which is why Reagan, Bush, Clinton, Bush 2, Obama, Trump 1 (with adults in his Cabinet) and even brain-dead Biden stayed away from this.
All your straw men are blowing away across the prairie. How are the citizens of Iran not going to rejoice over and themselves take full advantage of their country's return to liberty? Just because many in this country idolize ease, comfort, and safety doesn't mean liberty doesn't tower over such things in value.
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FLBear5630 said:KaiBear said:whiterock said:RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:Oldbear83 said:
Amazing how many people will ignore actions by China and Russia, but any rumor about Trump and they wet themselves.
Is the Russia/ Ukraine War still going on? Seems like we haven't heard anything about it the last three weeks. Was just wondering.
Ukraine has in the last few weeks retaken several hundred square kilometers of its territory that took Russia over a year and hundreds of thousands of casualties to capture. Russia is about to launch its spring offensive but will accomplish little. To be clear, the percentages of the changes involved are very, very small. But the current trend (a trickle, but a trend) seems to be to Ukraine's benefit.
I have stated here many times that the Russian war effort was likely to peak in mid-2026. Looks like that happened a couple of months ago. They are currently unable to recruit enough troops to replace losses. That puts Putin in a classic lose/lose dilemma: it is doubtful he could politically survive a peace agreement on current terms; and it is doubtful he could politically survive the general mobilization it would take to reverse current trends.
Expect no big developments. Just more of the same, with metric shyte-tons of debate about mostly inconsequential changes on the battlefield.
Hope we can avoid a similar ground war nightmare in Iran.
Just destroy their power plants and oil facilities from the air and Iran's economy is finished.
Then what? You think the citizens of Iran are going to rejoice and be happy that the US put them back in the stone age? Who rebuilds? We have the money for that? You saw in Venezuela, with everything in place and in the western hemisphere, what we had to do to get the "private sector" to invest. Now, in the middle east???
You don't think China that has been oil thirsty and has a relationship with Iran won't come in and re-build? Can't be the Saudi's, the Sunni's and Shia hate each other. Israel? Maybe Jared Kushner?
There is no winning scenario here, which is why Reagan, Bush, Clinton, Bush 2, Obama, Trump 1 (with adults in his Cabinet) and even brain-dead Biden stayed away from this.
FLBear5630 said:Oldbear83 said:ATL Bear said:Oldbear83 said:ATL Bear said:Oldbear83 said:ATL Bear said:Oldbear83 said:
Change your panties and listen to the adults instead of the screamers.
Who are these "adults"?
The adults understand that the Iran conflict will not be over by the time you get impatient, that ending a half-century of malicious fanaticism will take resolve and patience.
You didn't identify the "adults". But half century of fanaticism? Try about a millennium. A sobering "adult" reality is that Hamas still controls the majority of the population and about half the territory in Gaza. If the objective is removing Islamic fanaticism, more than patience will be required. My advice is to take the off-ramp of a mostly defanged Iranian military and fully defanged nuclear program before American soldier and sailor bodies start to escalate, and energy infrastructure in the region becomes decimated to the point global markets will take years to recover.
Go ask someone who remembers Iran pre-Ayatollah.
And change your panties again, no sense pissing yourself over what ifs.
What ifs? I laid 3 facts on you and you ostriched like you always do for Trump. You're a loyal follower, I'll give you that.
No, you claim things which have not happened will happen, on no evidence beyond your fear and contempt.
You know, "what if's" are called contingency planning in most organizations that actually plan and then execute. I guess beancounters don't get into that as much, although every project I worked on we had a low, med and high revenue model.
So when you are planning something, like a war, "what if's" are very important. Like "what if Iran shuts the Straits?" or "what if the Iranian people don't rise up?" or "what if Iran attacks other Gulf states?" or "what if this is not over in 2 days?". You know little things like that...
Maybe someone should get caught up in those things, just a spitball idea... Might help the press secretary or briefing Congress.
FLBear5630 said:canoso said:FLBear5630 said:KaiBear said:whiterock said:RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:Oldbear83 said:
Amazing how many people will ignore actions by China and Russia, but any rumor about Trump and they wet themselves.
Is the Russia/ Ukraine War still going on? Seems like we haven't heard anything about it the last three weeks. Was just wondering.
Ukraine has in the last few weeks retaken several hundred square kilometers of its territory that took Russia over a year and hundreds of thousands of casualties to capture. Russia is about to launch its spring offensive but will accomplish little. To be clear, the percentages of the changes involved are very, very small. But the current trend (a trickle, but a trend) seems to be to Ukraine's benefit.
I have stated here many times that the Russian war effort was likely to peak in mid-2026. Looks like that happened a couple of months ago. They are currently unable to recruit enough troops to replace losses. That puts Putin in a classic lose/lose dilemma: it is doubtful he could politically survive a peace agreement on current terms; and it is doubtful he could politically survive the general mobilization it would take to reverse current trends.
Expect no big developments. Just more of the same, with metric shyte-tons of debate about mostly inconsequential changes on the battlefield.
Hope we can avoid a similar ground war nightmare in Iran.
Just destroy their power plants and oil facilities from the air and Iran's economy is finished.
Then what? You think the citizens of Iran are going to rejoice and be happy that the US put them back in the stone age? Who rebuilds? We have the money for that? You saw in Venezuela, with everything in place and in the western hemisphere, what we had to do to get the "private sector" to invest. Now, in the middle east???
You don't think China that has been oil thirsty and has a relationship with Iran won't come in and re-build? Can't be the Saudi's, the Sunni's and Shia hate each other. Israel? Maybe Jared Kushner?
There is no winning scenario here, which is why Reagan, Bush, Clinton, Bush 2, Obama, Trump 1 (with adults in his Cabinet) and even brain-dead Biden stayed away from this.
All your straw men are blowing away across the prairie. How are the citizens of Iran not going to rejoice over and themselves take full advantage of their country's return to liberty? Just because many in this country idolize ease, comfort, and safety doesn't mean liberty doesn't tower over such things in value.
Return of Liberty? No one there has any concept of PRE-1978! Those people are in their 70's. We are talking generations of Shia education. That is what you think the Iranian people are going to take out of destroying their electrical grid and fuel infrastructure? They are going to be worrying about potable water and wastewater.
I find it funny you think the US will be viewed as the good guy here, it worked so well in Viet Nam, Afghanistan, Iraq and everywhere elses we tried and we didn't destroy a modern infrastructure in those places! China is going to be the savior, they are going to come in with trillions to rebuild and secure oil for the next 100 years.
You guys really have drinken the kool aid. We are destroying their country and it will not even result in a change in regime.
EatMoreSalmon said:FLBear5630 said:canoso said:FLBear5630 said:KaiBear said:whiterock said:RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:Oldbear83 said:
Amazing how many people will ignore actions by China and Russia, but any rumor about Trump and they wet themselves.
Is the Russia/ Ukraine War still going on? Seems like we haven't heard anything about it the last three weeks. Was just wondering.
Ukraine has in the last few weeks retaken several hundred square kilometers of its territory that took Russia over a year and hundreds of thousands of casualties to capture. Russia is about to launch its spring offensive but will accomplish little. To be clear, the percentages of the changes involved are very, very small. But the current trend (a trickle, but a trend) seems to be to Ukraine's benefit.
I have stated here many times that the Russian war effort was likely to peak in mid-2026. Looks like that happened a couple of months ago. They are currently unable to recruit enough troops to replace losses. That puts Putin in a classic lose/lose dilemma: it is doubtful he could politically survive a peace agreement on current terms; and it is doubtful he could politically survive the general mobilization it would take to reverse current trends.
Expect no big developments. Just more of the same, with metric shyte-tons of debate about mostly inconsequential changes on the battlefield.
Hope we can avoid a similar ground war nightmare in Iran.
Just destroy their power plants and oil facilities from the air and Iran's economy is finished.
Then what? You think the citizens of Iran are going to rejoice and be happy that the US put them back in the stone age? Who rebuilds? We have the money for that? You saw in Venezuela, with everything in place and in the western hemisphere, what we had to do to get the "private sector" to invest. Now, in the middle east???
You don't think China that has been oil thirsty and has a relationship with Iran won't come in and re-build? Can't be the Saudi's, the Sunni's and Shia hate each other. Israel? Maybe Jared Kushner?
There is no winning scenario here, which is why Reagan, Bush, Clinton, Bush 2, Obama, Trump 1 (with adults in his Cabinet) and even brain-dead Biden stayed away from this.
All your straw men are blowing away across the prairie. How are the citizens of Iran not going to rejoice over and themselves take full advantage of their country's return to liberty? Just because many in this country idolize ease, comfort, and safety doesn't mean liberty doesn't tower over such things in value.
Return of Liberty? No one there has any concept of PRE-1978! Those people are in their 70's. We are talking generations of Shia education. That is what you think the Iranian people are going to take out of destroying their electrical grid and fuel infrastructure? They are going to be worrying about potable water and wastewater.
I find it funny you think the US will be viewed as the good guy here, it worked so well in Viet Nam, Afghanistan, Iraq and everywhere elses we tried and we didn't destroy a modern infrastructure in those places! China is going to be the savior, they are going to come in with trillions to rebuild and secure oil for the next 100 years.
You guys really have drinken the kool aid. We are destroying their country and it will not even result in a change in regime.
Don't be a General George McClellan type.
The civil war would have been shorter if he could have trusted his superior organization and preparation skills to take the necessary calculated risks of war. He could not read the battlefield well.
FLBear5630 said:canoso said:FLBear5630 said:KaiBear said:whiterock said:RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:Oldbear83 said:
Amazing how many people will ignore actions by China and Russia, but any rumor about Trump and they wet themselves.
Is the Russia/ Ukraine War still going on? Seems like we haven't heard anything about it the last three weeks. Was just wondering.
Ukraine has in the last few weeks retaken several hundred square kilometers of its territory that took Russia over a year and hundreds of thousands of casualties to capture. Russia is about to launch its spring offensive but will accomplish little. To be clear, the percentages of the changes involved are very, very small. But the current trend (a trickle, but a trend) seems to be to Ukraine's benefit.
I have stated here many times that the Russian war effort was likely to peak in mid-2026. Looks like that happened a couple of months ago. They are currently unable to recruit enough troops to replace losses. That puts Putin in a classic lose/lose dilemma: it is doubtful he could politically survive a peace agreement on current terms; and it is doubtful he could politically survive the general mobilization it would take to reverse current trends.
Expect no big developments. Just more of the same, with metric shyte-tons of debate about mostly inconsequential changes on the battlefield.
Hope we can avoid a similar ground war nightmare in Iran.
Just destroy their power plants and oil facilities from the air and Iran's economy is finished.
Then what? You think the citizens of Iran are going to rejoice and be happy that the US put them back in the stone age? Who rebuilds? We have the money for that? You saw in Venezuela, with everything in place and in the western hemisphere, what we had to do to get the "private sector" to invest. Now, in the middle east???
You don't think China that has been oil thirsty and has a relationship with Iran won't come in and re-build? Can't be the Saudi's, the Sunni's and Shia hate each other. Israel? Maybe Jared Kushner?
There is no winning scenario here, which is why Reagan, Bush, Clinton, Bush 2, Obama, Trump 1 (with adults in his Cabinet) and even brain-dead Biden stayed away from this.
All your straw men are blowing away across the prairie. How are the citizens of Iran not going to rejoice over and themselves take full advantage of their country's return to liberty? Just because many in this country idolize ease, comfort, and safety doesn't mean liberty doesn't tower over such things in value.
Return of Liberty? No one there has any concept of PRE-1978! Those people are in their 70's. We are talking generations of Shia education. That is what you think the Iranian people are going to take out of destroying their electrical grid and fuel infrastructure? They are going to be worrying about potable water and wastewater.
I find it funny you think the US will be viewed as the good guy here, it worked so well in Viet Nam, Afghanistan, Iraq and everywhere elses we tried and we didn't destroy a modern infrastructure in those places! China is going to be the savior, they are going to come in with trillions to rebuild and secure oil for the next 100 years.
You guys really have drinken the kool aid. We are destroying their country and it will not even result in a change in regime.
