Trump's first 100 days

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86
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Oldbear83 said:

Amazing how many people will ignore actions by China and Russia, but any rumor about Trump and they wet themselves.



Is the Russia/ Ukraine War still going on? Seems like we haven't heard anything about it the last three weeks. Was just wondering.
Call it a tax, the people are outraged! Call it a tariff, the people get out their checkbooks and wave their American flags!!!
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J.R. said:

KaiBear said:

The_barBEARian said:

KaiBear said:

J.R. said:

KaiBear said:

william said:

nein51 said:

Sam Lowry said:

FLBear5630 said:

Osodecentx said:

nein51 said:

If this war in Iran doesn't end soon Republicans are going to get DESTROYED at midterms. They are already going to lose but I mean destroyed in epic ways.

Diesel is $5.35 right now and I'm in one of the cheaper states for fuel.


Iran is all on Biden

You are being sarcastic right.?

I'm sure he is, but sadly the ones blaming it all on Obama are not.

There is no joke that involves gifting them pallets of cash which they then used to fund every terrorist organization in the ME.

The Trump 45 sanctions had Iran fairly battened down.....

Then 'ol Sleepy Joe stumbles in and reverses everything on Day One.

- UF

And we see what happened after that......

D!





All true.

Still another of the destructive Joe Biden blunders Dem hyper partisans always have amnesia about.

Bro, come now. This is 100% the piggy show, piggy economy, piggy own goals, piggy
s war. 100% on him. That fool has no clue or plan. that is the facts.

Then Trump is the luckiest war president ever. Cause after only 3 weeks the entire Iranian government has been assassinated 3 levels down. Never have seen anything like it anywhere.

The entire iranian Navy and Air Force is destroyed. The US has total air supremacy over all of Iran. Their economy is totally at our mercy. We can destroy all their oil facilities any time we wish.

All accomplished in THREE WEEKS.

Saddam Hussein couldn't accomplish even 10% of our success in FIVE YEARS of Iraq's war with Iran.

So clearly Trump had a plan. Or at least the JCS did.



The Israelis are the ones doing all the assassinations.

This is their war and they have been planning it for decades.

I would like to know if Trump knew they were going to kill Khamenei on Day 1?

Bcs that was probably the stupidest move possible if your objective was truly to achieve regime change.

The smartest strategic move made during the Iraq war (probably due to blind luck) was not killing Saddam.

The Iraqi people were able to put him on trial and deliver justice and his supporters didnt receive any public relations wins from him being martyred by an army of foreign invaders.

So if we 'win', its all due to Israel.


If we ' lose' its all due to Trump.


LOL Little doubt the Dem media machine is prepared to delever either narrative......over and over.

100% on Both. More shade on Piggy as Izzy has something on him, like everyone else


Then why didn't Biden use it to destroy Trumps 2024 election campaign ?
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Oldbear83 said:

ATL Bear said:

Oldbear83 said:

ATL Bear said:

Oldbear83 said:

Change your panties and listen to the adults instead of the screamers.

Who are these "adults"?

The adults understand that the Iran conflict will not be over by the time you get impatient, that ending a half-century of malicious fanaticism will take resolve and patience.



You didn't identify the "adults". But half century of fanaticism? Try about a millennium. A sobering "adult" reality is that Hamas still controls the majority of the population and about half the territory in Gaza. If the objective is removing Islamic fanaticism, more than patience will be required. My advice is to take the off-ramp of a mostly defanged Iranian military and fully defanged nuclear program before American soldier and sailor bodies start to escalate, and energy infrastructure in the region becomes decimated to the point global markets will take years to recover.

Go ask someone who remembers Iran pre-Ayatollah.

And change your panties again, no sense pissing yourself over what ifs.
What ifs? I laid 3 facts on you and you ostriched like you always do for Trump. You're a loyal follower, I'll give you that.
Oldbear83
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ATL Bear said:

Oldbear83 said:

ATL Bear said:

Oldbear83 said:

ATL Bear said:

Oldbear83 said:

Change your panties and listen to the adults instead of the screamers.

Who are these "adults"?

The adults understand that the Iran conflict will not be over by the time you get impatient, that ending a half-century of malicious fanaticism will take resolve and patience.



You didn't identify the "adults". But half century of fanaticism? Try about a millennium. A sobering "adult" reality is that Hamas still controls the majority of the population and about half the territory in Gaza. If the objective is removing Islamic fanaticism, more than patience will be required. My advice is to take the off-ramp of a mostly defanged Iranian military and fully defanged nuclear program before American soldier and sailor bodies start to escalate, and energy infrastructure in the region becomes decimated to the point global markets will take years to recover.

Go ask someone who remembers Iran pre-Ayatollah.

And change your panties again, no sense pissing yourself over what ifs.

What ifs? I laid 3 facts on you and you ostriched like you always do for Trump. You're a loyal follower, I'll give you that.

No, you claim things which have not happened will happen, on no evidence beyond your fear and contempt.

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

Oldbear83 said:

Amazing how many people will ignore actions by China and Russia, but any rumor about Trump and they wet themselves.



Is the Russia/ Ukraine War still going on? Seems like we haven't heard anything about it the last three weeks. Was just wondering.

Ukraine has in the last few weeks retaken several hundred square kilometers of its territory that took Russia over a year and hundreds of thousands of casualties to capture. Russia is about to launch its spring offensive but will accomplish little. To be clear, the percentages of the changes involved are very, very small. But the current trend (a trickle, but a trend) seems to be to Ukraine's benefit.

I have stated here many times that the Russian war effort was likely to peak in mid-2026. Looks like that happened a couple of months ago. They are currently unable to recruit enough troops to replace losses. That puts Putin in a classic lose/lose dilemma: it is doubtful he could politically survive a peace agreement on current terms; and it is doubtful he could politically survive the general mobilization it would take to reverse current trends.

Expect no big developments. Just more of the same, with metric shyte-tons of debate about mostly inconsequential changes on the battlefield.
FLBear5630
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Oldbear83 said:

ATL Bear said:

Oldbear83 said:

ATL Bear said:

Oldbear83 said:

ATL Bear said:

Oldbear83 said:

Change your panties and listen to the adults instead of the screamers.

Who are these "adults"?

The adults understand that the Iran conflict will not be over by the time you get impatient, that ending a half-century of malicious fanaticism will take resolve and patience.



You didn't identify the "adults". But half century of fanaticism? Try about a millennium. A sobering "adult" reality is that Hamas still controls the majority of the population and about half the territory in Gaza. If the objective is removing Islamic fanaticism, more than patience will be required. My advice is to take the off-ramp of a mostly defanged Iranian military and fully defanged nuclear program before American soldier and sailor bodies start to escalate, and energy infrastructure in the region becomes decimated to the point global markets will take years to recover.

Go ask someone who remembers Iran pre-Ayatollah.

And change your panties again, no sense pissing yourself over what ifs.

What ifs? I laid 3 facts on you and you ostriched like you always do for Trump. You're a loyal follower, I'll give you that.

No, you claim things which have not happened will happen, on no evidence beyond your fear and contempt.



You know, "what if's" are called contingency planning in most organizations that actually plan and then execute. I guess beancounters don't get into that as much, although every project I worked on we had a low, med and high revenue model.

So when you are planning something, like a war, "what if's" are very important. Like "what if Iran shuts the Straits?" or "what if the Iranian people don't rise up?" or "what if Iran attacks other Gulf states?" or "what if this is not over in 2 days?". You know little things like that...

Maybe someone should get caught up in those things, just a spitball idea... Might help the press secretary or briefing Congress.
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whiterock said:

RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

Oldbear83 said:

Amazing how many people will ignore actions by China and Russia, but any rumor about Trump and they wet themselves.



Is the Russia/ Ukraine War still going on? Seems like we haven't heard anything about it the last three weeks. Was just wondering.

Ukraine has in the last few weeks retaken several hundred square kilometers of its territory that took Russia over a year and hundreds of thousands of casualties to capture. Russia is about to launch its spring offensive but will accomplish little. To be clear, the percentages of the changes involved are very, very small. But the current trend (a trickle, but a trend) seems to be to Ukraine's benefit.

I have stated here many times that the Russian war effort was likely to peak in mid-2026. Looks like that happened a couple of months ago. They are currently unable to recruit enough troops to replace losses. That puts Putin in a classic lose/lose dilemma: it is doubtful he could politically survive a peace agreement on current terms; and it is doubtful he could politically survive the general mobilization it would take to reverse current trends.

Expect no big developments. Just more of the same, with metric shyte-tons of debate about mostly inconsequential changes on the battlefield.


Hope we can avoid a similar ground war nightmare in Iran.

Just destroy their power plants and oil facilities from the air and Iran's economy is finished.
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whiterock said:

RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

Oldbear83 said:

Amazing how many people will ignore actions by China and Russia, but any rumor about Trump and they wet themselves.



Is the Russia/ Ukraine War still going on? Seems like we haven't heard anything about it the last three weeks. Was just wondering.

Ukraine has in the last few weeks retaken several hundred square kilometers of its territory that took Russia over a year and hundreds of thousands of casualties to capture. Russia is about to launch its spring offensive but will accomplish little. To be clear, the percentages of the changes involved are very, very small. But the current trend (a trickle, but a trend) seems to be to Ukraine's benefit.

I have stated here many times that the Russian war effort was likely to peak in mid-2026. Looks like that happened a couple of months ago. They are currently unable to recruit enough troops to replace losses. That puts Putin in a classic lose/lose dilemma: it is doubtful he could politically survive a peace agreement on current terms; and it is doubtful he could politically survive the general mobilization it would take to reverse current trends.

Expect no big developments. Just more of the same, with metric shyte-tons of debate about mostly inconsequential changes on the battlefield.


Ukraine has also been able to avoid detection and strike deep into Russia (with drones) in the last months. As we're seeing in Isreal, it's a different feeling when war comes to your people.

This can't be good for Russia.
FLBear5630
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KaiBear said:

whiterock said:

RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

Oldbear83 said:

Amazing how many people will ignore actions by China and Russia, but any rumor about Trump and they wet themselves.



Is the Russia/ Ukraine War still going on? Seems like we haven't heard anything about it the last three weeks. Was just wondering.

Ukraine has in the last few weeks retaken several hundred square kilometers of its territory that took Russia over a year and hundreds of thousands of casualties to capture. Russia is about to launch its spring offensive but will accomplish little. To be clear, the percentages of the changes involved are very, very small. But the current trend (a trickle, but a trend) seems to be to Ukraine's benefit.

I have stated here many times that the Russian war effort was likely to peak in mid-2026. Looks like that happened a couple of months ago. They are currently unable to recruit enough troops to replace losses. That puts Putin in a classic lose/lose dilemma: it is doubtful he could politically survive a peace agreement on current terms; and it is doubtful he could politically survive the general mobilization it would take to reverse current trends.

Expect no big developments. Just more of the same, with metric shyte-tons of debate about mostly inconsequential changes on the battlefield.


Hope we can avoid a similar ground war nightmare in Iran.

Just destroy their power plants and oil facilities from the air and Iran's economy is finished.

Then what? You think the citizens of Iran are going to rejoice and be happy that the US put them back in the stone age? Who rebuilds? We have the money for that? You saw in Venezuela, with everything in place and in the western hemisphere, what we had to do to get the "private sector" to invest. Now, in the middle east???

You don't think China that has been oil thirsty and has a relationship with Iran won't come in and re-build? Can't be the Saudi's, the Sunni's and Shia hate each other. Israel? Maybe Jared Kushner?


There is no winning scenario here, which is why Reagan, Bush, Clinton, Bush 2, Obama, Trump 1 (with adults in his Cabinet) and even brain-dead Biden stayed away from this.
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FLBear5630 said:

KaiBear said:

whiterock said:

RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

Oldbear83 said:

Amazing how many people will ignore actions by China and Russia, but any rumor about Trump and they wet themselves.



Is the Russia/ Ukraine War still going on? Seems like we haven't heard anything about it the last three weeks. Was just wondering.

Ukraine has in the last few weeks retaken several hundred square kilometers of its territory that took Russia over a year and hundreds of thousands of casualties to capture. Russia is about to launch its spring offensive but will accomplish little. To be clear, the percentages of the changes involved are very, very small. But the current trend (a trickle, but a trend) seems to be to Ukraine's benefit.

I have stated here many times that the Russian war effort was likely to peak in mid-2026. Looks like that happened a couple of months ago. They are currently unable to recruit enough troops to replace losses. That puts Putin in a classic lose/lose dilemma: it is doubtful he could politically survive a peace agreement on current terms; and it is doubtful he could politically survive the general mobilization it would take to reverse current trends.

Expect no big developments. Just more of the same, with metric shyte-tons of debate about mostly inconsequential changes on the battlefield.


Hope we can avoid a similar ground war nightmare in Iran.

Just destroy their power plants and oil facilities from the air and Iran's economy is finished.

Then what? You think the citizens of Iran are going to rejoice and be happy that the US put them back in the stone age? Who rebuilds? We have the money for that? You saw in Venezuela, with everything in place and in the western hemisphere, what we had to do to get the "private sector" to invest. Now, in the middle east???

You don't think China that has been oil thirsty and has a relationship with Iran won't come in and re-build? Can't be the Saudi's, the Sunni's and Shia hate each other. Israel? Maybe Jared Kushner?


There is no winning scenario here, which is why Reagan, Bush, Clinton, Bush 2, Obama, Trump 1 (with adults in his Cabinet) and even brain-dead Biden stayed away from this.

All your straw men are blowing away across the prairie. How are the citizens of Iran not going to rejoice over and themselves take full advantage of their country's return to liberty? Just because many in this country idolize ease, comfort, and safety doesn't mean liberty doesn't tower over such things in value.
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canoso said:

FLBear5630 said:

KaiBear said:

whiterock said:

RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

Oldbear83 said:

Amazing how many people will ignore actions by China and Russia, but any rumor about Trump and they wet themselves.



Is the Russia/ Ukraine War still going on? Seems like we haven't heard anything about it the last three weeks. Was just wondering.

Ukraine has in the last few weeks retaken several hundred square kilometers of its territory that took Russia over a year and hundreds of thousands of casualties to capture. Russia is about to launch its spring offensive but will accomplish little. To be clear, the percentages of the changes involved are very, very small. But the current trend (a trickle, but a trend) seems to be to Ukraine's benefit.

I have stated here many times that the Russian war effort was likely to peak in mid-2026. Looks like that happened a couple of months ago. They are currently unable to recruit enough troops to replace losses. That puts Putin in a classic lose/lose dilemma: it is doubtful he could politically survive a peace agreement on current terms; and it is doubtful he could politically survive the general mobilization it would take to reverse current trends.

Expect no big developments. Just more of the same, with metric shyte-tons of debate about mostly inconsequential changes on the battlefield.


Hope we can avoid a similar ground war nightmare in Iran.

Just destroy their power plants and oil facilities from the air and Iran's economy is finished.

Then what? You think the citizens of Iran are going to rejoice and be happy that the US put them back in the stone age? Who rebuilds? We have the money for that? You saw in Venezuela, with everything in place and in the western hemisphere, what we had to do to get the "private sector" to invest. Now, in the middle east???

You don't think China that has been oil thirsty and has a relationship with Iran won't come in and re-build? Can't be the Saudi's, the Sunni's and Shia hate each other. Israel? Maybe Jared Kushner?


There is no winning scenario here, which is why Reagan, Bush, Clinton, Bush 2, Obama, Trump 1 (with adults in his Cabinet) and even brain-dead Biden stayed away from this.

All your straw men are blowing away across the prairie. How are the citizens of Iran not going to rejoice over and themselves take full advantage of their country's return to liberty? Just because many in this country idolize ease, comfort, and safety doesn't mean liberty doesn't tower over such things in value.

Return of Liberty? No one there has any concept of PRE-1978! Those people are in their 70's. We are talking generations of Shia education. That is what you think the Iranian people are going to take out of destroying their electrical grid and fuel infrastructure? They are going to be worrying about potable water and wastewater.

I find it funny you think the US will be viewed as the good guy here, it worked so well in Viet Nam, Afghanistan, Iraq and everywhere elses we tried and we didn't destroy a modern infrastructure in those places! China is going to be the savior, they are going to come in with trillions to rebuild and secure oil for the next 100 years.

You guys really have drinken the kool aid. We are destroying their country and it will not even result in a change in regime.
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KaiBear
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FLBear5630 said:

KaiBear said:

whiterock said:

RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

Oldbear83 said:

Amazing how many people will ignore actions by China and Russia, but any rumor about Trump and they wet themselves.



Is the Russia/ Ukraine War still going on? Seems like we haven't heard anything about it the last three weeks. Was just wondering.

Ukraine has in the last few weeks retaken several hundred square kilometers of its territory that took Russia over a year and hundreds of thousands of casualties to capture. Russia is about to launch its spring offensive but will accomplish little. To be clear, the percentages of the changes involved are very, very small. But the current trend (a trickle, but a trend) seems to be to Ukraine's benefit.

I have stated here many times that the Russian war effort was likely to peak in mid-2026. Looks like that happened a couple of months ago. They are currently unable to recruit enough troops to replace losses. That puts Putin in a classic lose/lose dilemma: it is doubtful he could politically survive a peace agreement on current terms; and it is doubtful he could politically survive the general mobilization it would take to reverse current trends.

Expect no big developments. Just more of the same, with metric shyte-tons of debate about mostly inconsequential changes on the battlefield.


Hope we can avoid a similar ground war nightmare in Iran.

Just destroy their power plants and oil facilities from the air and Iran's economy is finished.

Then what? You think the citizens of Iran are going to rejoice and be happy that the US put them back in the stone age? Who rebuilds? We have the money for that? You saw in Venezuela, with everything in place and in the western hemisphere, what we had to do to get the "private sector" to invest. Now, in the middle east???

You don't think China that has been oil thirsty and has a relationship with Iran won't come in and re-build? Can't be the Saudi's, the Sunni's and Shia hate each other. Israel? Maybe Jared Kushner?


There is no winning scenario here, which is why Reagan, Bush, Clinton, Bush 2, Obama, Trump 1 (with adults in his Cabinet) and even brain-dead Biden stayed away from this.

Fight to win. Destroy the mullah's power base. There is no other option in modern warfare.

Japan, iraq, Germany are all examples.

God I would hate to see you if we weren't so clearly kicking ass. You would probably be ****ting all over yourself.
Oldbear83
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FLBear5630 said:

Oldbear83 said:

ATL Bear said:

Oldbear83 said:

ATL Bear said:

Oldbear83 said:

ATL Bear said:

Oldbear83 said:

Change your panties and listen to the adults instead of the screamers.

Who are these "adults"?

The adults understand that the Iran conflict will not be over by the time you get impatient, that ending a half-century of malicious fanaticism will take resolve and patience.



You didn't identify the "adults". But half century of fanaticism? Try about a millennium. A sobering "adult" reality is that Hamas still controls the majority of the population and about half the territory in Gaza. If the objective is removing Islamic fanaticism, more than patience will be required. My advice is to take the off-ramp of a mostly defanged Iranian military and fully defanged nuclear program before American soldier and sailor bodies start to escalate, and energy infrastructure in the region becomes decimated to the point global markets will take years to recover.

Go ask someone who remembers Iran pre-Ayatollah.

And change your panties again, no sense pissing yourself over what ifs.

What ifs? I laid 3 facts on you and you ostriched like you always do for Trump. You're a loyal follower, I'll give you that.

No, you claim things which have not happened will happen, on no evidence beyond your fear and contempt.



You know, "what if's" are called contingency planning in most organizations that actually plan and then execute. I guess beancounters don't get into that as much, although every project I worked on we had a low, med and high revenue model.

So when you are planning something, like a war, "what if's" are very important. Like "what if Iran shuts the Straits?" or "what if the Iranian people don't rise up?" or "what if Iran attacks other Gulf states?" or "what if this is not over in 2 days?". You know little things like that...

Maybe someone should get caught up in those things, just a spitball idea... Might help the press secretary or briefing Congress.

All those words don't change the fact that you are pretending things which have not happened somehow did.


I will be polite and call it fiction instead of the more common term for that behavior.
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FLBear5630 said:

canoso said:

FLBear5630 said:

KaiBear said:

whiterock said:

RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

Oldbear83 said:

Amazing how many people will ignore actions by China and Russia, but any rumor about Trump and they wet themselves.



Is the Russia/ Ukraine War still going on? Seems like we haven't heard anything about it the last three weeks. Was just wondering.

Ukraine has in the last few weeks retaken several hundred square kilometers of its territory that took Russia over a year and hundreds of thousands of casualties to capture. Russia is about to launch its spring offensive but will accomplish little. To be clear, the percentages of the changes involved are very, very small. But the current trend (a trickle, but a trend) seems to be to Ukraine's benefit.

I have stated here many times that the Russian war effort was likely to peak in mid-2026. Looks like that happened a couple of months ago. They are currently unable to recruit enough troops to replace losses. That puts Putin in a classic lose/lose dilemma: it is doubtful he could politically survive a peace agreement on current terms; and it is doubtful he could politically survive the general mobilization it would take to reverse current trends.

Expect no big developments. Just more of the same, with metric shyte-tons of debate about mostly inconsequential changes on the battlefield.


Hope we can avoid a similar ground war nightmare in Iran.

Just destroy their power plants and oil facilities from the air and Iran's economy is finished.

Then what? You think the citizens of Iran are going to rejoice and be happy that the US put them back in the stone age? Who rebuilds? We have the money for that? You saw in Venezuela, with everything in place and in the western hemisphere, what we had to do to get the "private sector" to invest. Now, in the middle east???

You don't think China that has been oil thirsty and has a relationship with Iran won't come in and re-build? Can't be the Saudi's, the Sunni's and Shia hate each other. Israel? Maybe Jared Kushner?


There is no winning scenario here, which is why Reagan, Bush, Clinton, Bush 2, Obama, Trump 1 (with adults in his Cabinet) and even brain-dead Biden stayed away from this.

All your straw men are blowing away across the prairie. How are the citizens of Iran not going to rejoice over and themselves take full advantage of their country's return to liberty? Just because many in this country idolize ease, comfort, and safety doesn't mean liberty doesn't tower over such things in value.

Return of Liberty? No one there has any concept of PRE-1978! Those people are in their 70's. We are talking generations of Shia education. That is what you think the Iranian people are going to take out of destroying their electrical grid and fuel infrastructure? They are going to be worrying about potable water and wastewater.

I find it funny you think the US will be viewed as the good guy here, it worked so well in Viet Nam, Afghanistan, Iraq and everywhere elses we tried and we didn't destroy a modern infrastructure in those places! China is going to be the savior, they are going to come in with trillions to rebuild and secure oil for the next 100 years.

You guys really have drinken the kool aid. We are destroying their country and it will not even result in a change in regime.


Don't be a General George McClellan type.
The civil war would have been shorter if he could have trusted his superior organization and preparation skills to take the necessary calculated risks of war. He could not read the battlefield well.
william
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EatMoreSalmon said:

FLBear5630 said:

canoso said:

FLBear5630 said:

KaiBear said:

whiterock said:

RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

Oldbear83 said:

Amazing how many people will ignore actions by China and Russia, but any rumor about Trump and they wet themselves.



Is the Russia/ Ukraine War still going on? Seems like we haven't heard anything about it the last three weeks. Was just wondering.

Ukraine has in the last few weeks retaken several hundred square kilometers of its territory that took Russia over a year and hundreds of thousands of casualties to capture. Russia is about to launch its spring offensive but will accomplish little. To be clear, the percentages of the changes involved are very, very small. But the current trend (a trickle, but a trend) seems to be to Ukraine's benefit.

I have stated here many times that the Russian war effort was likely to peak in mid-2026. Looks like that happened a couple of months ago. They are currently unable to recruit enough troops to replace losses. That puts Putin in a classic lose/lose dilemma: it is doubtful he could politically survive a peace agreement on current terms; and it is doubtful he could politically survive the general mobilization it would take to reverse current trends.

Expect no big developments. Just more of the same, with metric shyte-tons of debate about mostly inconsequential changes on the battlefield.


Hope we can avoid a similar ground war nightmare in Iran.

Just destroy their power plants and oil facilities from the air and Iran's economy is finished.

Then what? You think the citizens of Iran are going to rejoice and be happy that the US put them back in the stone age? Who rebuilds? We have the money for that? You saw in Venezuela, with everything in place and in the western hemisphere, what we had to do to get the "private sector" to invest. Now, in the middle east???

You don't think China that has been oil thirsty and has a relationship with Iran won't come in and re-build? Can't be the Saudi's, the Sunni's and Shia hate each other. Israel? Maybe Jared Kushner?


There is no winning scenario here, which is why Reagan, Bush, Clinton, Bush 2, Obama, Trump 1 (with adults in his Cabinet) and even brain-dead Biden stayed away from this.

All your straw men are blowing away across the prairie. How are the citizens of Iran not going to rejoice over and themselves take full advantage of their country's return to liberty? Just because many in this country idolize ease, comfort, and safety doesn't mean liberty doesn't tower over such things in value.

Return of Liberty? No one there has any concept of PRE-1978! Those people are in their 70's. We are talking generations of Shia education. That is what you think the Iranian people are going to take out of destroying their electrical grid and fuel infrastructure? They are going to be worrying about potable water and wastewater.

I find it funny you think the US will be viewed as the good guy here, it worked so well in Viet Nam, Afghanistan, Iraq and everywhere elses we tried and we didn't destroy a modern infrastructure in those places! China is going to be the savior, they are going to come in with trillions to rebuild and secure oil for the next 100 years.

You guys really have drinken the kool aid. We are destroying their country and it will not even result in a change in regime.


Don't be a General George McClellan type.
The civil war would have been shorter if he could have trusted his superior organization and preparation skills to take the necessary calculated risks of war. He could not read the battlefield well.

.... plus he spent a fair amount of time distracted by the design of a type of forward base that would serve a sliced roast beef product that had been semi-cured and readied for shipment to the front lines everywhere.

- UF

D!

Go Bears!!



pro ecclesia, pro javelina
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FLBear5630 said:

canoso said:

FLBear5630 said:

KaiBear said:

whiterock said:

RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

Oldbear83 said:

Amazing how many people will ignore actions by China and Russia, but any rumor about Trump and they wet themselves.



Is the Russia/ Ukraine War still going on? Seems like we haven't heard anything about it the last three weeks. Was just wondering.

Ukraine has in the last few weeks retaken several hundred square kilometers of its territory that took Russia over a year and hundreds of thousands of casualties to capture. Russia is about to launch its spring offensive but will accomplish little. To be clear, the percentages of the changes involved are very, very small. But the current trend (a trickle, but a trend) seems to be to Ukraine's benefit.

I have stated here many times that the Russian war effort was likely to peak in mid-2026. Looks like that happened a couple of months ago. They are currently unable to recruit enough troops to replace losses. That puts Putin in a classic lose/lose dilemma: it is doubtful he could politically survive a peace agreement on current terms; and it is doubtful he could politically survive the general mobilization it would take to reverse current trends.

Expect no big developments. Just more of the same, with metric shyte-tons of debate about mostly inconsequential changes on the battlefield.


Hope we can avoid a similar ground war nightmare in Iran.

Just destroy their power plants and oil facilities from the air and Iran's economy is finished.

Then what? You think the citizens of Iran are going to rejoice and be happy that the US put them back in the stone age? Who rebuilds? We have the money for that? You saw in Venezuela, with everything in place and in the western hemisphere, what we had to do to get the "private sector" to invest. Now, in the middle east???

You don't think China that has been oil thirsty and has a relationship with Iran won't come in and re-build? Can't be the Saudi's, the Sunni's and Shia hate each other. Israel? Maybe Jared Kushner?


There is no winning scenario here, which is why Reagan, Bush, Clinton, Bush 2, Obama, Trump 1 (with adults in his Cabinet) and even brain-dead Biden stayed away from this.

All your straw men are blowing away across the prairie. How are the citizens of Iran not going to rejoice over and themselves take full advantage of their country's return to liberty? Just because many in this country idolize ease, comfort, and safety doesn't mean liberty doesn't tower over such things in value.

Return of Liberty? No one there has any concept of PRE-1978! Those people are in their 70's. We are talking generations of Shia education. That is what you think the Iranian people are going to take out of destroying their electrical grid and fuel infrastructure? They are going to be worrying about potable water and wastewater.

I find it funny you think the US will be viewed as the good guy here, it worked so well in Viet Nam, Afghanistan, Iraq and everywhere elses we tried and we didn't destroy a modern infrastructure in those places! China is going to be the savior, they are going to come in with trillions to rebuild and secure oil for the next 100 years.

You guys really have drinken the kool aid. We are destroying their country and it will not even result in a change in regime.

LOL - the Persian civilization goes back more than 47 yrs....

and these people have witnessed 350,000 or more of their defenseless friends and family systematically slaughtered over the past 47 years.

they have not / will not forget and will be ready to re-take the country within a year or two.

lots of good intel on the ground will feed ISR and will eventually be the end of the IRGC - but, barring some very unlikely scenario - will likely take a while.

Never Again means Never Again.

- UF

Same for UKR - Putin has blundered horribly - and has created millions of people who never forgive and forget and will be out for blood revenge for Millenia. Everyone knows RUS has lost - even Putin.

His back assward demoralized forces are now being routed and out smarted by a culturally strong and highly motivated UKR army.


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... and Iran is ringed just abt 360 degrees by ethic groups who are well - armed battle - tested and highly motivated to fight and are in many ways allied with the West and motivated by economic freedom and NOT by the fatalistic death cult variety of Islam.

That might just prove the difference in winning this mess.

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{ LFS, holding an imaginary pipe, stares out the window rubbing his prominent brow pondering the concept of battle field drones delivering thin sliced roast been sammiches served on onion rolls dropped to hungry troops along the front all while staring at a squirrel running 'round the base of a tree chasing his plump nuts }

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william said:

FLBear5630 said:

canoso said:

FLBear5630 said:

KaiBear said:

whiterock said:

RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

Oldbear83 said:

Amazing how many people will ignore actions by China and Russia, but any rumor about Trump and they wet themselves.



Is the Russia/ Ukraine War still going on? Seems like we haven't heard anything about it the last three weeks. Was just wondering.

Ukraine has in the last few weeks retaken several hundred square kilometers of its territory that took Russia over a year and hundreds of thousands of casualties to capture. Russia is about to launch its spring offensive but will accomplish little. To be clear, the percentages of the changes involved are very, very small. But the current trend (a trickle, but a trend) seems to be to Ukraine's benefit.

I have stated here many times that the Russian war effort was likely to peak in mid-2026. Looks like that happened a couple of months ago. They are currently unable to recruit enough troops to replace losses. That puts Putin in a classic lose/lose dilemma: it is doubtful he could politically survive a peace agreement on current terms; and it is doubtful he could politically survive the general mobilization it would take to reverse current trends.

Expect no big developments. Just more of the same, with metric shyte-tons of debate about mostly inconsequential changes on the battlefield.


Hope we can avoid a similar ground war nightmare in Iran.

Just destroy their power plants and oil facilities from the air and Iran's economy is finished.

Then what? You think the citizens of Iran are going to rejoice and be happy that the US put them back in the stone age? Who rebuilds? We have the money for that? You saw in Venezuela, with everything in place and in the western hemisphere, what we had to do to get the "private sector" to invest. Now, in the middle east???

You don't think China that has been oil thirsty and has a relationship with Iran won't come in and re-build? Can't be the Saudi's, the Sunni's and Shia hate each other. Israel? Maybe Jared Kushner?


There is no winning scenario here, which is why Reagan, Bush, Clinton, Bush 2, Obama, Trump 1 (with adults in his Cabinet) and even brain-dead Biden stayed away from this.

All your straw men are blowing away across the prairie. How are the citizens of Iran not going to rejoice over and themselves take full advantage of their country's return to liberty? Just because many in this country idolize ease, comfort, and safety doesn't mean liberty doesn't tower over such things in value.

Return of Liberty? No one there has any concept of PRE-1978! Those people are in their 70's. We are talking generations of Shia education. That is what you think the Iranian people are going to take out of destroying their electrical grid and fuel infrastructure? They are going to be worrying about potable water and wastewater.

I find it funny you think the US will be viewed as the good guy here, it worked so well in Viet Nam, Afghanistan, Iraq and everywhere elses we tried and we didn't destroy a modern infrastructure in those places! China is going to be the savior, they are going to come in with trillions to rebuild and secure oil for the next 100 years.

You guys really have drinken the kool aid. We are destroying their country and it will not even result in a change in regime.

LOL - the Persian civilization goes back more than 47 yrs....

and these people have witnessed 350,000 or more of their defenseless friends and family systematically slaughtered over the past 47 years.

they have not / will not forget and will be ready to re-take the country within a year or two.

lots of good intel on the ground will feed ISR and will eventually be the end of the IRGC - but, barring some very unlikely scenario - will likely take a while.

Never Again means Never Again.

- UF

Same for UKR - Putin has blundered horribly - and has created millions of people who never forgive and forget and will be out for blood revenge for Millenia. Everyone knows RUS has lost - even Putin.

His back assward demoralized forces are now being routed and out smarted by a culturally strong and highly motivated UKR army.




Wow, they have people there 350,000 years old.

Do you want to bet on an Iranian uprising and the US being the hero? Actually, you don't have to, we already did. To day 10 billion dollars and real man Pete is about to ask for 200B more. So we are betting on it whether we like it or not.

Bibi is very happy with you all!
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Hows that banquet going....

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Elon is wrong

You want liberals to return us to Biden's morals? Criminal illegal aliens carrying the votes for Democrats?


Republicans will be in the minority someday, and they will need the filibuster to fend off statehood for DC & Puerta Rico

D.C. cannot become a state without a constitutional amendment and there v is no reason for anyone to want it except radical Dems. It's questionable whether Puerto Ricans want statehood. The only beneficiaries would be radical Dems.
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Change your panties and listen to the adults instead of the screamers.

Who are these "adults"?

The adults understand that the Iran conflict will not be over by the time you get impatient, that ending a half-century of malicious fanaticism will take resolve and patience.



You didn't identify the "adults". But half century of fanaticism? Try about a millennium. A sobering "adult" reality is that Hamas still controls the majority of the population and about half the territory in Gaza. If the objective is removing Islamic fanaticism, more than patience will be required. My advice is to take the off-ramp of a mostly defanged Iranian military and fully defanged nuclear program before American soldier and sailor bodies start to escalate, and energy infrastructure in the region becomes decimated to the point global markets will take years to recover.

Go ask someone who remembers Iran pre-Ayatollah.

And change your panties again, no sense pissing yourself over what ifs.

What ifs? I laid 3 facts on you and you ostriched like you always do for Trump. You're a loyal follower, I'll give you that.

No, you claim things which have not happened will happen, on no evidence beyond your fear and contempt.


Islamic fanaticism has been around for more than a Millennium, including in Persia/Iran. Hamas still controls the majority of the population and nearly half the territory in Gaza. That was 3. I would say removing Islamic fanaticism in Iran will require more than patience is an outright fact as well (#4), but timelines operate on a very malleable spectrum in Trump world. So I won't press interpretive facts like that or that the nuclear program has been decimated or their military as well even though I feel that is factual also (5 and 6).
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ATL Bear said:

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ATL Bear said:

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Oldbear83 said:

Change your panties and listen to the adults instead of the screamers.

Who are these "adults"?

The adults understand that the Iran conflict will not be over by the time you get impatient, that ending a half-century of malicious fanaticism will take resolve and patience.



You didn't identify the "adults". But half century of fanaticism? Try about a millennium. A sobering "adult" reality is that Hamas still controls the majority of the population and about half the territory in Gaza. If the objective is removing Islamic fanaticism, more than patience will be required. My advice is to take the off-ramp of a mostly defanged Iranian military and fully defanged nuclear program before American soldier and sailor bodies start to escalate, and energy infrastructure in the region becomes decimated to the point global markets will take years to recover.

Go ask someone who remembers Iran pre-Ayatollah.

And change your panties again, no sense pissing yourself over what ifs.

What ifs? I laid 3 facts on you and you ostriched like you always do for Trump. You're a loyal follower, I'll give you that.

No, you claim things which have not happened will happen, on no evidence beyond your fear and contempt.



Islamic fanaticism has been around for more than a Millennium, including in Persia/Iran. Hamas still controls the majority of the population and nearly half the territory in Gaza. That was 3. I would say removing Islamic fanaticism in Iran will require more than patience is an outright fact as well (#4), but timelines operate on a very malleable spectrum in Trump world. So I won't press interpretive facts like that or that the nuclear program has been decimated or their military as well even though I feel that is factual also (5 and 6).

Again, you are engaging in speculation, which is fine except that it's not fact.

Just as Whiterock is missing the last 47 years to think we can just return Iran to its 1970s condition and alignment, it's also absurd to pretend there is not a strong swell of rebellion in Iran against the tyranny of the Ayatollahs. Or did you miss all the people willing to put their lives at risk to protest the government?

It's also dishonest to ignore the very real damage done to Iran's establishment and hierarchy. Their command structure, both military and political, is gone. Almost all their conventional weapons are gone. The attacks set by Iran are now essentially random, hitting whatever they can while they still can.

Notice how European nations are starting to change their positions. They went from resisting publicly speaking against the Iranian regime, to publicly stating they will support the US efforts to free the gulf. Notice as well that the old Imperial flag for Iran has started showing up. I don't think that means the Shah will be re-installed. But changes are coming, and some of them can be used to stabilize the region to the advantage of the US.

The trick, of course, is that Islamic fanaticism is going to pop up somewhere. In the 19th Century, a lot of that took the form of Mahdiism, and eventually that movement led to the creation of Pakistan. Fundamentalist Islam, the term most commonly aligned with the 'Death to America' , rose with Khomeini in 1978,but people forget that Khomeini was imported to Iran in much the same way Lenin was imported to Russia. if and when Iran installs a government which resists terrorism, the fanatics will find a new home, I'd guess in Somalia or Yemen, but time will tell.

That's my speculation based on the available facts.
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Now, how many "babysitter" lobbyists do most senators have from other organizations?


Top Lobbying Spenders
US Chamber of Commerce
National Assn of Realtors
Pharmaceutical Research & Manufacturers of America
Business Roundtable

Growth in "Underground" Lobbying: While registered numbers were around 12,281 in 2013, many unregistered individuals, often described as "hired guns," use sophisticated tactics, bringing the estimated active number closer to 100,000.

https://www.opensecrets.org/industries/mems
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william said:

FLBear5630 said:

canoso said:

FLBear5630 said:

KaiBear said:

whiterock said:

RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

Oldbear83 said:

Amazing how many people will ignore actions by China and Russia, but any rumor about Trump and they wet themselves.



Is the Russia/ Ukraine War still going on? Seems like we haven't heard anything about it the last three weeks. Was just wondering.

Ukraine has in the last few weeks retaken several hundred square kilometers of its territory that took Russia over a year and hundreds of thousands of casualties to capture. Russia is about to launch its spring offensive but will accomplish little. To be clear, the percentages of the changes involved are very, very small. But the current trend (a trickle, but a trend) seems to be to Ukraine's benefit.

I have stated here many times that the Russian war effort was likely to peak in mid-2026. Looks like that happened a couple of months ago. They are currently unable to recruit enough troops to replace losses. That puts Putin in a classic lose/lose dilemma: it is doubtful he could politically survive a peace agreement on current terms; and it is doubtful he could politically survive the general mobilization it would take to reverse current trends.

Expect no big developments. Just more of the same, with metric shyte-tons of debate about mostly inconsequential changes on the battlefield.


Hope we can avoid a similar ground war nightmare in Iran.

Just destroy their power plants and oil facilities from the air and Iran's economy is finished.

Then what? You think the citizens of Iran are going to rejoice and be happy that the US put them back in the stone age? Who rebuilds? We have the money for that? You saw in Venezuela, with everything in place and in the western hemisphere, what we had to do to get the "private sector" to invest. Now, in the middle east???

You don't think China that has been oil thirsty and has a relationship with Iran won't come in and re-build? Can't be the Saudi's, the Sunni's and Shia hate each other. Israel? Maybe Jared Kushner?


There is no winning scenario here, which is why Reagan, Bush, Clinton, Bush 2, Obama, Trump 1 (with adults in his Cabinet) and even brain-dead Biden stayed away from this.

All your straw men are blowing away across the prairie. How are the citizens of Iran not going to rejoice over and themselves take full advantage of their country's return to liberty? Just because many in this country idolize ease, comfort, and safety doesn't mean liberty doesn't tower over such things in value.

Return of Liberty? No one there has any concept of PRE-1978! Those people are in their 70's. We are talking generations of Shia education. That is what you think the Iranian people are going to take out of destroying their electrical grid and fuel infrastructure? They are going to be worrying about potable water and wastewater.

I find it funny you think the US will be viewed as the good guy here, it worked so well in Viet Nam, Afghanistan, Iraq and everywhere elses we tried and we didn't destroy a modern infrastructure in those places! China is going to be the savior, they are going to come in with trillions to rebuild and secure oil for the next 100 years.

You guys really have drinken the kool aid. We are destroying their country and it will not even result in a change in regime.

LOL - the Persian civilization goes back more than 47 yrs....

and these people have witnessed 350,000 or more of their defenseless friends and family systematically slaughtered over the past 47 years.

they have not / will not forget and will be ready to re-take the country within a year or two.

lots of good intel on the ground will feed ISR and will eventually be the end of the IRGC - but, barring some very unlikely scenario - will likely take a while.

Never Again means Never Again.

- UF

Same for UKR - Putin has blundered horribly - and has created millions of people who never forgive and forget and will be out for blood revenge for Millenia. Everyone knows RUS has lost - even Putin.

His back assward demoralized forces are now being routed and out smarted by a culturally strong and highly motivated UKR army.




KKM.....you rockin a serious sugar high? Me thinks the Persian Civilization is a little older than 47. Just checkin my math
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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

Oldbear83 said:

Amazing how many people will ignore actions by China and Russia, but any rumor about Trump and they wet themselves.



Is the Russia/ Ukraine War still going on? Seems like we haven't heard anything about it the last three weeks. Was just wondering.
Whiterock is still your best source on Ukraine.

Just follow everything he posts, and assume the opposite.
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MSM hard at work again on this nugget ' news:

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Dig Deeper
The civilian board that oversees America's spy agencies will probe whether political bias kept intelligence analysts from sharing with Congress and President Donald Trump evidence that China meddled in elections dating to 2020, its chairman says after an explosive report by Just the News.

"We ran a decade-long investigation in the Congress into China, and so this new bombshell that you just dropped is very concerning to me, and it should be to the Congress," President's Intelligence Advisory Board Chairman Devin Nunes told the Just the News, No Noise television show.

"This information was likely around in 2019, probably in 2020. I don't know. We're going to have to unpack this and figure out why this didn't get to the Congress and why this didn't get out to the American public," Nunes said.

Nunes, a former chairman of the House Intelligence Committee before he left Congress to run the company that operates President Donald Trump's Truth Social platform, added: "Clearly, this is a scandal that's brewing."

Nunes was named last year by Trump to lead the PIAB, a nonpartisan body made up of distinguished civilians from the national security, political, academic, and private sectors charged with independently overseeing the Intelligence Community's day-to-day management or operational responsibilities.

Just the News earlier this week disclosed declassified documents showing Chinese intelligence gained access to multiple states' voter registration data in 2020 and conducted some voter influence efforts but chose to keep that intelligence quiet because spy agency analysts opposed Trump and his policies, even deriding the president as "that vulgarian in the Oval Office."

You can read that intelligence here.

NICM-Declassified-Cyber-Operations-Enabling-Expansive-Digital-Authoritarianism-20200407--2022.pdf

<<

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part two:

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Similar revelations in 2024 that China hacked Great Britain's voter registration database led to a national outcry and reforms in that country. But in America, most policymakers have been kept in the dark.

19 intelligence reports dating back to Obama era were rescinded or revised
Senate Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations Subcommittee Chairman Ron Johnson, R-Wis., called on Trump this week to declassify and release all evidence related to China's meddling from 2020 forward.

Nunes said a review of what happened with the China meddling allegations was directly aligned with the board's current mandates. "We've been working directly with the CIA to depoliticize all of these agencies. President Trump gave us clear direction that he wants the politicization taken out of these intelligence products," Nunes explained.

The board's effort recently prompted CIA Director John Ratcliffe to rescind or revise 19 intelligence reports the agency produced dating back to the Obama era because they were politically biased or used poor spy tradecraft, including one analysis suggesting that women who pursue traditional motherhood were at danger of becoming violent extremists.

"I think this is just the start of Director Ratcliffe trying to clean up the CIA," he said. "Obviously, we're here to help. We're held here to help all the agencies as Chair of the President's intelligence board, and we'll continue to do that."

Nunes said the declassified documents uncovered by Just the News on the China election meddling were deeply concerning because "if you don't have the if you want to call it the truth transparency real intelligence agencies getting the information to the policymakers and the decision makers, it's a major problem."Similar revelations in 2024 that China hacked Great Britain's voter registration database led to a national outcry and reforms in that country. But in America, most policymakers have been kept in the dark.

19 intelligence reports dating back to Obama era were rescinded or revised
Senate Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations Subcommittee Chairman Ron Johnson, R-Wis., called on Trump this week to declassify and release all evidence related to China's meddling from 2020 forward.

Nunes said a review of what happened with the China meddling allegations was directly aligned with the board's current mandates. "We've been working directly with the CIA to depoliticize all of these agencies. President Trump gave us clear direction that he wants the politicization taken out of these intelligence products," Nunes explained.

The board's effort recently prompted CIA Director John Ratcliffe to rescind or revise 19 intelligence reports the agency produced dating back to the Obama era because they were politically biased or used poor spy tradecraft, including one analysis suggesting that women who pursue traditional motherhood were at danger of becoming violent extremists.

"I think this is just the start of Director Ratcliffe trying to clean up the CIA," he said. "Obviously, we're here to help. We're held here to help all the agencies as Chair of the President's intelligence board, and we'll continue to do that."

Nunes said the declassified documents uncovered by Just the News on the China election meddling were deeply concerning because "if you don't have the if you want to call it the truth transparency real intelligence agencies getting the information to the policymakers and the decision makers, it's a major problem."
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J.R. said:

william said:

FLBear5630 said:

canoso said:

FLBear5630 said:

KaiBear said:

whiterock said:

RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

Oldbear83 said:

Amazing how many people will ignore actions by China and Russia, but any rumor about Trump and they wet themselves.



Is the Russia/ Ukraine War still going on? Seems like we haven't heard anything about it the last three weeks. Was just wondering.

Ukraine has in the last few weeks retaken several hundred square kilometers of its territory that took Russia over a year and hundreds of thousands of casualties to capture. Russia is about to launch its spring offensive but will accomplish little. To be clear, the percentages of the changes involved are very, very small. But the current trend (a trickle, but a trend) seems to be to Ukraine's benefit.

I have stated here many times that the Russian war effort was likely to peak in mid-2026. Looks like that happened a couple of months ago. They are currently unable to recruit enough troops to replace losses. That puts Putin in a classic lose/lose dilemma: it is doubtful he could politically survive a peace agreement on current terms; and it is doubtful he could politically survive the general mobilization it would take to reverse current trends.

Expect no big developments. Just more of the same, with metric shyte-tons of debate about mostly inconsequential changes on the battlefield.


Hope we can avoid a similar ground war nightmare in Iran.

Just destroy their power plants and oil facilities from the air and Iran's economy is finished.

Then what? You think the citizens of Iran are going to rejoice and be happy that the US put them back in the stone age? Who rebuilds? We have the money for that? You saw in Venezuela, with everything in place and in the western hemisphere, what we had to do to get the "private sector" to invest. Now, in the middle east???

You don't think China that has been oil thirsty and has a relationship with Iran won't come in and re-build? Can't be the Saudi's, the Sunni's and Shia hate each other. Israel? Maybe Jared Kushner?


There is no winning scenario here, which is why Reagan, Bush, Clinton, Bush 2, Obama, Trump 1 (with adults in his Cabinet) and even brain-dead Biden stayed away from this.

All your straw men are blowing away across the prairie. How are the citizens of Iran not going to rejoice over and themselves take full advantage of their country's return to liberty? Just because many in this country idolize ease, comfort, and safety doesn't mean liberty doesn't tower over such things in value.

Return of Liberty? No one there has any concept of PRE-1978! Those people are in their 70's. We are talking generations of Shia education. That is what you think the Iranian people are going to take out of destroying their electrical grid and fuel infrastructure? They are going to be worrying about potable water and wastewater.

I find it funny you think the US will be viewed as the good guy here, it worked so well in Viet Nam, Afghanistan, Iraq and everywhere elses we tried and we didn't destroy a modern infrastructure in those places! China is going to be the savior, they are going to come in with trillions to rebuild and secure oil for the next 100 years.

You guys really have drinken the kool aid. We are destroying their country and it will not even result in a change in regime.

LOL - the Persian civilization goes back more than 47 yrs....

and these people have witnessed 350,000 or more of their defenseless friends and family systematically slaughtered over the past 47 years.

they have not / will not forget and will be ready to re-take the country within a year or two.

lots of good intel on the ground will feed ISR and will eventually be the end of the IRGC - but, barring some very unlikely scenario - will likely take a while.

Never Again means Never Again.

- UF

Same for UKR - Putin has blundered horribly - and has created millions of people who never forgive and forget and will be out for blood revenge for Millenia. Everyone knows RUS has lost - even Putin.

His back assward demoralized forces are now being routed and out smarted by a culturally strong and highly motivated UKR army.




KKM.....you rockin a serious sugar high? Me thinks the Persian Civilization is a little older than 47. Just checkin my math

reading comprehension much??

- UF

>>LOL - the Persian civilization goes back more than 47 yrs....<<

Anyway - Looks like most of the immediate area - the Sunni not whack job Muslim countries - want to 'finish the Job.

I couldnt agree more.....

Another short term "settlement" won't work -

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