Trump's first 100 days

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FLBear5630
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Oldbear83 said:

FLBear5630 said:

Oldbear83 said:

FLBear5630 said:

Be accurate, I did not claim he would do it.

I said, I was more concerned about that than voter fraud which we still have no proof of fraud impacting ANY US election.

Here are your exact words:

"I have a bigger concern that Trump, Miller and MarkWayne will either do away with this election or strong arm it more than fraud in the existing system."

Frankly not a good plan to claim you did not say something, when your own words are right there in print.

"more than fraud in the existing system."

Don't be like that...

Amazing you just ignore your own words, you and 303.



Ok, I will break it down for you. Like learning a new language, saneness.

Bigger Concern = a thought.

Trump and his Merry Band of Fascist - Who is worrying me

Do away with election or strong arm = We agree on that

more than fraud = has more credence than the foolishness of the voter fraud narrative

So to put together, just for you:

The foolishness that there is voter fraud to swing an election is so foolish and stupid that Trump voiding the upcoming election has more credibility...

Get it... Trump would never do something like that. Correct?
303Bear
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Oldbear83 said:

Again, these are your words: "carte blanche to shoot people"

That's outrageous and you know it. Indefensible and you want to play word games as if that makes your hatred of federal agents cool.

It's one thing to say maybe ICE needs better training. You could also consider the impact of not having local/county Law Enforcement back up on the work.

But you said they wanted "carte blanche to shoot people"





Amazing you still want to hyper focus on one line you never brought up before while ignoring that I NEVER SAID WAHT YOUR LAST POST SAID THAT I SAID!!!! You remain a sad and ineffectual debater because you cannot keep track of your lies or preferred realities long enough to be effective.

Now, moving onto your "point", such as it were, has any ICE agent been held accountable for their illegal actions (including killing of innocent people)?

As I have pointed out before (and you and others continue to ignore), local and state law enforcement cannot be compelled to assist federal efforts (I think this is a great idea and THOUGHT it was a cornerstone of the 10th Amendment/States Rights - it sure was during the Biden years here in Texas when DPS was putting barricades in the Rio Grade). Either federalism is good or you just want it when you want it, which, to be clear, makes you a hypocrite.
Jack Bauer
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Let me tell you something you already know....politicians are full of ****.

303Bear
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Jack Bauer said:

Let me tell you something you already know....politicians are full of ****.



Welp, we know who is running in 2028... and somehow she will be a democrat frontrunner. If that is the best ~50% of the voting public will support we are truly screwed regardless of who is actually elected.
Oldbear83
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BUDOS said:

Oldbear, I am fairly aware of those, although you gave me two that I don't have (thanks). My reference is to what I have personally witnessed as an election judge. The crap about feeding us more misinformation and "stuff" to influence our vote is a fact. What I have a problem with are the allegations that the actual voting machines are being hacked, when they are not connected to the internet. We test them before the day of voting and that morning of and at least six people, equally divided among parties sign as witnesses.


Part of the problem is transparency, BUDOS. Every election there is a sea of allegations, followed by a wave of assurances our elections are perfectly secure. To the best of my knowledge, there really is no published study which proves the claims either way. Part of that is the reasonable desire of election machine companies to protect proprietary design, but it also leaves one with the unpleasant sense that we are not really getting the facts.

Consider that polls talk about a Margin of Error. That's the statistical chance that their numbers are off by a bit through just human behavior. This matters because most polls claim a MoE of around 3% to 3.5%. And that applies to both major candidates in an election. That is, if the poll says Candidate A polled 52% and Candidate B polled 47%, the difference is 5 points but A could be as low as 49% and B as high as 50%, so that 5 point difference in the polls could actually mean a closer race than those numbers say.

The winning candidate loves to point to anything that makes them look decisive, which is why Trump doesn't point to his Popular Vote totals in 2016 and 2024, but his Electoral Vote totals. The problem there is how many states were decided by less than that 3 point Margin of Error the polls have, and frankly a lot of polls have not done so well in predicting the outcomes in battleground states. If you look at those states and consider the possibility that some of those states could have gone the other way, you begin to see what Clinton was claiming in 2016 and Trump in 2020.

Now about the machines. Votes are made at precinct polls, then aggregated to the state level. It's possible, in theory, for an outside party to access those vote totals at either the precinct or state level, and to change them. If someone could access the state machines, they could alter the tally and the outcome.

Obviously, that would be a very difficult ask but from the public perspective it looks more doable, precisely because the details seem arcane to the public. This is one possible reason for making the claim that an election was rigged, not to so much change the outcome as energize anger from the base.

So in the end, the best solution is to show how votes are not just tallied, but verified and challenges confirmed or rejected on evidence. Just making vague statements is not going to convince anyone.
Oldbear83
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I focus on your "carte blanche to shoot people" statement because it's outrageous.

If you meant it, say so. If you misspoke, say so.

But I'm not going to let you off the hook by you trying to evade that statement.

Again, this is you: "carte blanche to shoot people"

Support it or retract it.
Oldbear83
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So you just tossed out an unsupported claim because "trump".

Doesn't seem compelling to me, but then my blood pressure doesn't spike knowing Donald Trump is President of the United States.

You feel it's cool to make wild claims because you hate Trump. Sad way to go through life, that.
boognish_bear
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Jack Bauer said:

Let me tell you something you already know....politicians are full of ****.




Is Brian Kelly her vocal coach?
303Bear
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Oldbear83 said:

I focus on your "carte blanche to shoot people" statement because it's outrageous.

If you meant it, say so. If you misspoke, say so.

But I'm not going to let you off the hook by you trying to evade that statement.

Again, this is you: "carte blanche to shoot people"

Support it or retract it.

Ha, so you will hold me to a standard you dont hold yourself to, fine. Answer my question, has there been any consequence or meaningful investigation into any of the ICE agents that have shot and killed people in the last year?

When you catch up and figure out the answer is "no", you can then go ahead and address the broader point of any of my posts. Or keep defecting and hiding from it because you are a sycophant devotee to the current admin. Either way, your hyper focus on a single sentence out of many remains so, so telling.
Oldbear83
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303Bear said:

Oldbear83 said:

I focus on your "carte blanche to shoot people" statement because it's outrageous.

If you meant it, say so. If you misspoke, say so.

But I'm not going to let you off the hook by you trying to evade that statement.

Again, this is you: "carte blanche to shoot people"

Support it or retract it.

Ha, so you will hold me to a standard you dont hold yourself to, fine. Answer my question, has there been any consequence or meaningful investigation into any of the ICE agents that have shot and killed people in the last year?

When you catch up and figure out the answer is "no", you can then go ahead and address the broader point of any of my posts. Or keep defecting and hiding from it because you are a sycophant devotee to the current admin. Either way, your hyper focus on a single sentence out of many remains so, so telling.

You really are a hypocrite!

Yesterday on the other board, you threw insults at me and imagined you were the better man simply because I did not retaliate.

Today I point out your exact words and you refuse to be accountable for them.

So again, you said you thought federal agents wanted "carte blanche to shoot people".

Support it or retract it.

Man up.


Osodecentx
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FLBear5630 said:

Danielsjackson114 said:

If it means keeping your clown party out of office

I am for it

Besides you Dems have been proven to cheat a lot so we must take action. Your own party ruined it for themselves. You all have no one else to blame

What are you talking about, I have never voted Democrat. But, Trump has me contemplating it. This is not the GOP I grew up with or followed. This is not the Buchanon's, Buckley's, Reagan's, even Goldwater was too liberal for MAGA.


If you're not totally in the bag for Trump you're a leftist lib
303Bear
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Oldbear83 said:

303Bear said:

Oldbear83 said:

I focus on your "carte blanche to shoot people" statement because it's outrageous.

If you meant it, say so. If you misspoke, say so.

But I'm not going to let you off the hook by you trying to evade that statement.

Again, this is you: "carte blanche to shoot people"

Support it or retract it.

Ha, so you will hold me to a standard you dont hold yourself to, fine. Answer my question, has there been any consequence or meaningful investigation into any of the ICE agents that have shot and killed people in the last year?

When you catch up and figure out the answer is "no", you can then go ahead and address the broader point of any of my posts. Or keep defecting and hiding from it because you are a sycophant devotee to the current admin. Either way, your hyper focus on a single sentence out of many remains so, so telling.

You really are a hypocrite!

Yesterday on the other board, you threw insults at me and imagined you were the better man simply because I did not retaliate.

Today I point out your exact words and you refuse to be accountable for them.

So again, you said you thought federal agents wanted "carte blanche to shoot people".

Support it or retract it.ou

Man up.




You just made up an entire course of events that didn't happen and claimed the moral high ground. Congrats on your victory against all the straw men.

Now try rereading what I actually said (where I think I very much think I stood behind what I said, but if you need it spelled out in preschool, here it goes - based on the last 18 months, under this administration, I BELIEVE AN ICE AGENT COULD SHOOT ANYONE ANY FACE NO MATERIAL CONSEQUENCES).

Now that I have been even more clear than my previous posts (which were only unclear if you cannot read english or are bing intentionally obtuse), can you respond to any, or just one, of the broader and numerous pointsI have made?
Oldbear83
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You can throw a tantrum all day, I am holding you to account for your exact words:

"carte blanche to shoot people"

Support it or retract it.

303Bear
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Oldbear83 said:

You can throw a tantrum all day, I am holding you to account for your exact words:

"carte blanche to shoot people"

Support it or retract it.



I've supported it. You have ignored everything else I posted and ignored all reasonable follow up questions. Be productive or stop, my answer won't change.

Edit: and actually, screw you and this who line of questioning, you started this by saying I called ICE agents Fascist.. which I HAVE NEVER DONE.


So support your own accusations or try another deflection tactic.

Your devotion to dear leader won't wave you when they decide you're no longer useful you know
Oldbear83
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303Bear said:

Oldbear83 said:

You can throw a tantrum all day, I am holding you to account for your exact words:

"carte blanche to shoot people"

Support it or retract it.



I've supported it. You have ignored everything else I posted and ignored all reasonable follow up questions. Be productive or stop, my answer won't change.

No you have not come close to supporting it. There is absolutely no reason to believe ICE agents think as you claim.

You are simply imposing your malicious assumptions on federal agents out of spite.

And yes, I am clearly being productive, because between us we have clearly established that you are operating on malice, not reason.

Also, I have not 'ignored reasonable follow up questions'. I simply held you to your words. Feel free to challenge me on my own exact words, because mine are actually defensible.

I enjoy dialogue, but cannot abide thugs, and your conduct the last two days in particular has been bullying in character as well as ranting in style.

You hate the sitting President, I get it. Ironically, because you have ignored so many of my posts you missed where I have criticized his war strategy, his odd plan for winning public support for his tariffs and other issues, and his insatiable ego. Yet you project your hate onto the agents doing a dangerous, thankless task because ... honestly there's no sane reason but you went there anyway.

Thanks for at least admitting your answer won't change.
303Bear
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Oldbear83 said:

303Bear said:

Oldbear83 said:

You can throw a tantrum all day, I am holding you to account for your exact words:

"carte blanche to shoot people"

Support it or retract it.



I've supported it. You have ignored everything else I posted and ignored all reasonable follow up questions. Be productive or stop, my answer won't change.

No you have not come close to supporting it. There is absolutely no reason to believe ICE agents think as you claim.

You are simply imposing your malicious assumptions on federal agents out of spite.

And yes, I am clearly being productive, because between us we have clearly established that you are operating on malice, not reason.

Also, I have not 'ignored reasonable follow up questions'. I simply held you to your words. Feel free to challenge me on my own exact words, because mine are actually defensible.

I enjoy dialogue, but cannot abide thugs, and your conduct the last two days in particular has been bullying in character as well as ranting in style.

You hate the sitting President, I get it. Ironically, because you have ignored so many of my posts you missed where I have criticized his war strategy, his odd plan for winning public support for his tariffs and other issues, and his insatiable ego. Yet you project your hate onto the agents doing a dangerous, thankless task because ... honestly there's no sane reason but you went there anyway.

Thanks for at least admitting your answer won't change.


Support any of the suppositions in the last paragraph and then we can talk. You keep claiming victory with no substance behind it. I get it, you need to be correct because if not your whole world view might collapse.

Most of your post is made up and/or ignores any actual words or interactions I have had with you (and I will even let you off the hook for the "vulgar" loss posts which, again, by your own rules you established with me and others of the last few months, are clear losses of a y subsequent points after even the mere reference to a term or action that could be considered "vulgar").

You're now reverting to the same default set of appeals to ridicule and other logical fallacies for the 5-6th time over the last couple of days. Surely you can support your position with anything substantive if it's so right.

You have established nothing. But continue the pattern of declaring your perception to be reality.

Address the lie you claimed about my position first and then we can talk more. Otherwise you remain a disingenuous poster not looking for real discussion.
Oldbear83
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Cute, but your evasion does not change the situation.

You made a malicious and baseless claim and now want to run away from it.

And now you are lying about your conduct here.



303Bear
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Oldbear83 said:

Cute, but your evasion does not change the situation.

You made a malicious and baseless claim and now want to run away from it.

And now you are lying about your conduct here.






I've run away from nothing. Your just don't want to engage with my contention so you would rather lie about to.

Like you would rather lie about my position with regard to your first post in response to me (o have literally never called anyone, ICE or otherwise a fascist on these boards).

Fix your own lie first.
boognish_bear
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Oldbear83
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LOL, you are really projecting now.

1. You made the statement which is now causing you fits

2. I made no lies whatsoever, just called you on your behavior in hopes you would turn out to be a man about it. Admit I am disappointed in your pisspoor evasion.

3. Every one of your posts in the last couple hours has been unhinged and frankly delusional.


Hope you feel better soon.
303Bear
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Oldbear83 said:

LOL, you are really projecting now.

1. You made the statement which is now causing you fits

2. I made no lies whatsoever, just called you on your behavior in hopes you would turn out to be a man about it. Admit I am disappointed in your pisspoor evasion.

3. Every one of your posts in the last couple hours has been unhinged and frankly delusional.


Hope you feel better soon.


You're projecting. Address my support of my statement you hyperfixated on, retract or support your initial lie about my statements, or address literally anything else substantive I have posted/asked or admit that, once again, your are making up things in your own little world.

You cannot claim I evaded anything when I literally addressed your accusation head on multiple times.

Your lack or reading comprehension isn't my obligation to address.

So either stop, respond to what is actually happening (instead of what you wish were happening) or admit you're just a petty liar who doesn't actually respond to what is posted.

It's so simple if you're honest.
Oldbear83
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< chuckles >

As I said, your recent posts are delusional.

I simply called you on an indefensible statement and you pissed yourself attacking me for it.

Glad not to be you, 303.
303Bear
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boognish_bear said:



But have your heard about how China may have influenced the 2020 election?

That's worthy of a perpetual blank check, no?
303Bear
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Oldbear83 said:

< chuckles >

As I said, your recent posts are delusional.

I simply called you on an indefensible statement and you pissed yourself attacking me for it.

Glad not to be you, 303.


You're doing your default of deflating custody despite doing nothings

Saying "delusional" doesn't make it so. It should be so, so easy to support, yet you don't/cant.

I've met attacked you, only asked you, repeatedly, to support your positions/attacks on me. You still refuse to do so, steadfastly.


I'm glad you aren't me either.
Oldbear83
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Now you're just repeating the same stale lies, 303.

I guess you prefer it to addressing your malice or your dishonesty.



303Bear
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Oldbear83 said:

Now you're just repeating the same stale lies, 303.

I guess you prefer it to addressing your malice or your dishonesty.






Laughable.

You're the one that started off claiming something I never said then doubled down from there.

Address your own lies then we can talk about anything I have said. Which I have and will continue to defend until persuaded otherwise (which you continue to decline to even attempt to do).
Oldbear83
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I think the thread has suffered enough.

What was actually said is there in print.

In a way though, the thread was already dead, given the 100 Days title.
boognish_bear
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TIM DILLON torches JD Vance over "cringe" Rogan appearance where he played powerless

"You have to be one of the stupidest people in the world to fall for this *****.. [JD's in an admin] that betrays its voters and does the opposite of everything it said it was gonna do"

"I don't want to hear about the Deep State anymore. You're playing me for a fool"

"They keep trying to play this game where they're this folksy, kind of relatable, like, Yeah, these ****ing elites. These ****ing elites with these, they're ****ing the kids, they're stealing your money... You are doing it. You're the ones who are doing it"

"And they're relying on the fact that some of their most ardent supporters, the ones who aren't directly being paid off, are the stupidest people in the world. So that still works on them"

"They're in the White House. They have the Congress. They have the Senate. They have the Supreme Court. It is them. It is now them"

"It's literally cringe. You watch this [Rogan interview] and you go, I feel so disgusted by the fact that they think people are still going to believe this ****"
Jack Bauer
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Jack Bauer said:

Let me tell you something you already know....politicians are full of ****.




Same energy

Delmar 2.0
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I ain't quite as dumb as I seem
-- (P.C. 1974)
The_barBEARian
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303Bear said:

FLBear5630 said:

Danielsjackson114 said:

If it means keeping your clown party out of office

I am for it

Besides you Dems have been proven to cheat a lot so we must take action. Your own party ruined it for themselves. You all have no one else to blame

What are you talking about, I have never voted Democrat. But, Trump has me contemplating it. This is not the GOP I grew up with or followed. This is not the Buchanon's, Buckley's, Reagan's, even Goldwater was too liberal for MAGA.


Just remember, anything left of DJT (even if that position is actually well to the right of the actual position because Trump is peddling his own version of oligarchical-populism at this point) is radical leftist and also insane propaganda.

I keep getting called out as a radical leftist on theses boards for believing the federal government shouldn't have carte blanche to shoot people who don't stop and provide papers for 4-5 armed men in an unmarked SUV.

boognish_bear
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The_barBEARian
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boognish_bear said:




I support this 112%!
boognish_bear
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boognish_bear
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US National Debt

2011: $14.79T
2012: $16.06T
2013: $16.73T
2014: $17.82T
2015: $18.15T
2016: $19.57T
2017: $20.24T
2018: $21.51T
2019: $22.71T
2020: $26.94T
2021: $28.43T
2022: $30.93T
2023: $33.17T
2024: $35.46T
2025: $37.64T
2026: $39.50T (currently)

That's an increase of 167% since 2011
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