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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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Biden was a horrible president and a horrible man. I never voted for him or any Democrat. Do you think this board needs more criticism of Biden. ? There are so many Trump fluffers on this board it has become an echo chamber. The same two posters will regurgitate their opinion and start post after post praising Trump and namecalking anyone that doesnt fall in line.

Trump may be a little better than Biden He isn't much different. He beat two women running for president. America is in trouble when we have to pick between a favor selling flim flam man and a washed up life time politician. I just refuse to jump in line with either.

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It's just interesting that all of your outrage is reserved for Musk, a guy who simply wants to rein in govt. spending, and yet you've been completely silent about Soros, Bezos, Gates, Zuckerburg and the like the last 4 years.

I've been one of Trump's biggest critics, but any purported conservative who doesn't see his admin as substantially better from a policy standpoint than Harris, isn't truly a conservative.

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… or isn't paying attention or isn't thinking.

Although I admire your patience ; suspect you are wasting your time attempting to remedy Limited's thought processes.

As much like 47 , he will simply repeat his same bizarre narratives within a month or so.

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I understand such pragmatism and see where it leads.

I simply refuse to choose the lessor of two evils. If everyone demanded better candidates we would get better candidates.

If e everyone just swallow s hard and votes for the stronger of two weak candidates you see whzt happens..

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We had a far better candidate in 2024 and he won in a landslide. And he has already started delivering on his promises in dramatic ways. Our votes have been partly vindicated in 2 only days.

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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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I understand such pragmatism and see where it leads.

I simply refuse to choose the lessor of two evils. If everyone demanded better candidates we would get better candidates.

If e everyone just swallow s hard and votes for the stronger of two weak candidates you see whzt happens..

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We had a far better candidate in 2024 and he won in a landslide. And he has already started delivering on his promises in dramatic ways. Our votes have been partly vindicated in 2 only days.

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He ran for president 3 times. He is pretty good for beating female candidates His record against men is pretty shaky.

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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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Go to Germany and make the same sign Elon made. You will be jailed for up to three years. The salute includes pounding your chest and extending your arm out with a flat hand. It's still used by whacky white power groups. Several countries other than Germany have made it illegal. The picks shown of others waving hand or pointing are not the same. Elon donated millions to Trump and now he has a seat at our government. Trump sells shoes golf tees cologne special bibles fake degrees and now governmental positions

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Username checks out 100%. Your are truly an MSNBC watching idiot.

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I think you mean MSLSD

It is close enough to the Nazi salute that of course the libs were going to be all over it. They have been calling Trump Hitler for 8 years, and the day of his inauguration, they see what they want to see.

They are desperate for things like this. Their worldview is falling apart, so this gives their lives meaning. Shows them they are on the right side. Mount a resistance! lol.

It is every bit as pathetic as what I've watched this forum do for the past 4.

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historian said:

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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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I understand such pragmatism and see where it leads.

I simply refuse to choose the lessor of two evils. If everyone demanded better candidates we would get better candidates.

If e everyone just swallow s hard and votes for the stronger of two weak candidates you see whzt happens..

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We had a far better candidate in 2024 and he won in a landslide. And he has already started delivering on his promises in dramatic ways. Our votes have been partly vindicated in 2 only days.

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He ran for president 3 times. He is pretty good for beating female candidates His record against men is pretty shaky.

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So it's the dens fault for running women against him.

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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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historian said:

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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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I understand such pragmatism and see where it leads.

I simply refuse to choose the lessor of two evils. If everyone demanded better candidates we would get better candidates.

If e everyone just swallow s hard and votes for the stronger of two weak candidates you see whzt happens..

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We had a far better candidate in 2024 and he won in a landslide. And he has already started delivering on his promises in dramatic ways. Our votes have been partly vindicated in 2 only days.

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He ran for president 3 times. He is pretty good for beating female candidates His record against men is pretty shaky.

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So it's the dens fault for running women against him.

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I agree 100%. The dems are a terriible party with terrible candidates. I blame dems for putting up such crappy candidates. I have never voted for a dem leader at state or national levels. I also blame the incompetence of republicans that allowed Biden to win. Nationally I voted Rep all my life, but I couldnt pull the trigger for McCain (great man with no deferments but poor poitician) or the Mormon guy. Its been downhill since. In fact, the repubs are now led by two lifelong dems that kidnapped the party,

Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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ScottS said:

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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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historian said:

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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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I understand such pragmatism and see where it leads.

I simply refuse to choose the lessor of two evils. If everyone demanded better candidates we would get better candidates.

If e everyone just swallow s hard and votes for the stronger of two weak candidates you see whzt happens..

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We had a far better candidate in 2024 and he won in a landslide. And he has already started delivering on his promises in dramatic ways. Our votes have been partly vindicated in 2 only days.

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He ran for president 3 times. He is pretty good for beating female candidates His record against men is pretty shaky.

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So it's the dens fault for running women against him.

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I agree 100%. The dems are a teriible party with terrible candidates. I blame dems for putting up such crappy candidates. I have n ever voted for a dem leader at state or nartional levels. I also blame the incompetence of republicans that allowed Biden to win. Nationally I voted Rep all my life, but I couldnt pull the trigger for McCain (great man with no deferments but poor poitician) or the Mormon guy. Its been downhill since. In fact, the repubs are now led by two lifelong dems that kidnapped the party,

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The choice was that or a socialist.

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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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historian said:

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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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I understand such pragmatism and see where it leads.

I simply refuse to choose the lessor of two evils. If everyone demanded better candidates we would get better candidates.

If e everyone just swallow s hard and votes for the stronger of two weak candidates you see whzt happens..

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We had a far better candidate in 2024 and he won in a landslide. And he has already started delivering on his promises in dramatic ways. Our votes have been partly vindicated in 2 only days.

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He ran for president 3 times. He is pretty good for beating female candidates His record against men is pretty shaky.

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So it's the dens fault for running women against him.

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The problem with Hillary & Kamala was not that they were women. It was that they are radical Marxist women, thoroughly corrupt (& evil), & idiots. I think many Americans would be willing to vote for a woman with the intelligence & politics of a Margaret Thatcher or the current leader of Italy.

The fascists are incapable of nominating a sane, normal, & patriotic candidate. The last time they did was in the 1960s, arguably earlier. LBJ was evil. JFK was the last Dem prez who can honestly be described as a patriot but he was a pervert & won in 1960 because of major fraud in two key states. Truman might be the last one and he had some radical ideas too.

I didnt vote for him but B. Clinton turned out to be pretty good. He balanced the budget.

Clinton only looks ' pretty good ' in comparison to Obama and Biden.

Especially to those who approve of Clinton as a 'hobbyist'.

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I didnt vote for him but B. Clinton turned out to be pretty good. He balanced the budget.

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Clinton didn't balance the budget. Newt Gingrich & Congress did. And they were very lucky to benefit from the economic boom following the Reagan tax cuts & economic recovery. It also didn't last long. Bush & Congress soon found plenty of new ways to spend our money. The government will always be able to find ways to waste our money.

Clinton balanced the budget

The Clinton years showed the effects of a large tax increase that Clinton pushed through in his first year, and that Republicans incorrectly claim is the "largest tax increase in history." It fell almost exclusively on upper-income taxpayers. Clinton's fiscal 1994 budget also contained some spending restraints. An equally if not more powerful influence was the booming economy and huge gains in the stock markets, the so-called dot-com bubble, which brought in hundreds of millions in unanticipated tax revenue from taxes on capital gains and rising salaries.

Trump talked about it but surprise!!!!

The national debt has risen by almost $7.8 trillion during Trump's time in office. That's nearly twice as much as what Americans owe on student loans, car loans, credit cards and every other type of debt other than mortgages, combined, according to data from the Federal Reserve Bank of New York. It amounts to about $23,500 in new federal debt for every person in the country.


I havent looked it up but I read somewhere Trumos new tax plan would mke my tx bill go up, and make Elons tax bill sink. Is that true?




And do you find it funny that Trump claoimed he never ever heard of the famous 2025 plan but he is following it word for word?

So are you really an aggie?

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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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I didnt vote for him but B. Clinton turned out to be pretty good. He balanced the budget.

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Clinton didn't balance the budget. Newt Gingrich & Congress did. And they were very lucky to benefit from the economic boom following the Reagan tax cuts & economic recovery. It also didn't last long. Bush & Congress soon found plenty of new ways to spend our money. The government will always be able to find ways to waste our money.

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ok. How about Clinton was the president, and with the help of Congress, balanced the budget

Trump promised he would lasr time he was president, but alas, he raised debt in record amounts. I am sure it was someone eleses fault.

Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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historian said:

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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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I didnt vote for him but B. Clinton turned out to be pretty good. He balanced the budget.

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Clinton didn't balance the budget. Newt Gingrich & Congress did. And they were very lucky to benefit from the economic boom following the Reagan tax cuts & economic recovery. It also didn't last long. Bush & Congress soon found plenty of new ways to spend our money. The government will always be able to find ways to waste our money.

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ok. How about Clinton was the president, and with the help of Congress, balanced the budget

Trump promised he would lasr time he was president, but alas, he raised debt in record amounts. I am sure it was someone eleses fault.

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Well, who authored the spending bills during Trump's first term?

Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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historian said:

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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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I understand such pragmatism and see where it leads.

I simply refuse to choose the lessor of two evils. If everyone demanded better candidates we would get better candidates.

If e everyone just swallow s hard and votes for the stronger of two weak candidates you see whzt happens..

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We had a far better candidate in 2024 and he won in a landslide. And he has already started delivering on his promises in dramatic ways. Our votes have been partly vindicated in 2 only days.

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He ran for president 3 times. He is pretty good for beating female candidates His record against men is pretty shaky.

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Man you've had some doozies lately. What are you saying here?

Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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ScottS said:

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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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historian said:

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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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I understand such pragmatism and see where it leads.

I simply refuse to choose the lessor of two evils. If everyone demanded better candidates we would get better candidates.

If e everyone just swallow s hard and votes for the stronger of two weak candidates you see whzt happens..

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We had a far better candidate in 2024 and he won in a landslide. And he has already started delivering on his promises in dramatic ways. Our votes have been partly vindicated in 2 only days.

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He ran for president 3 times. He is pretty good for beating female candidates His record against men is pretty shaky.

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So it's the dens fault for running women against him.

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I agree 100%. The dems are a terriible party with terrible candidates. I blame dems for putting up such crappy candidates. I have never voted for a dem leader at state or national levels. I also blame the incompetence of republicans that allowed Biden to win. Nationally I voted Rep all my life, but I couldnt pull the trigger for McCain (great man with no deferments but poor poitician) or the Mormon guy. Its been downhill since. In fact, the repubs are now led by two lifelong dems that kidnapped the party,

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Dems are terrible, but you reserve your ire for Republicans and vote (or don't vote) in a way that gets Dems elected.

Sure.

Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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Clinton balanced the budget

The Clinton years showed the effects of a large tax increase that Clinton pushed through in his first year, and that Republicans incorrectly claim is the "largest tax increase in history." It fell almost exclusively on upper-income taxpayers. Clinton's fiscal 1994 budget also contained some spending restraints. An equally if not more powerful influence was the booming economy and huge gains in the stock markets, the so-called dot-com bubble, which brought in hundreds of millions in unanticipated tax revenue from taxes on capital gains and rising salaries.

Trump talked about it but surprise!!!!

The national debt has risen by almost $7.8 trillion during Trump's time in office. That's nearly twice as much as what Americans owe on student loans, car loans, credit cards and every other type of debt other than mortgages, combined, according to data from the Federal Reserve Bank of New York. It amounts to about $23,500 in new federal debt for every person in the country.


I havent looked it up but I read somewhere Trumos new tax plan would mke my tx bill go up, and make Elons tax bill sink. Is that true?




And do you find it funny that Trump claoimed he never ever heard of the famous 2025 plan but he is following it word for word?

So are you really an aggie?

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Indeed, Trump is not a fiscal conservative, and was a big spender, surpassed only by Biden in that regard.

There was no fiscal conservative that had a shot of getting elected this year, just FYI. The only two viable options were Trump and an even bigger spender, which of course means you cast a protest vote.

Good job.

Mothra said:

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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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Clinton balanced the budget

The Clinton years showed the effects of a large tax increase that Clinton pushed through in his first year, and that Republicans incorrectly claim is the "largest tax increase in history." It fell almost exclusively on upper-income taxpayers. Clinton's fiscal 1994 budget also contained some spending restraints. An equally if not more powerful influence was the booming economy and huge gains in the stock markets, the so-called dot-com bubble, which brought in hundreds of millions in unanticipated tax revenue from taxes on capital gains and rising salaries.

Trump talked about it but surprise!!!!

The national debt has risen by almost $7.8 trillion during Trump's time in office. That's nearly twice as much as what Americans owe on student loans, car loans, credit cards and every other type of debt other than mortgages, combined, according to data from the Federal Reserve Bank of New York. It amounts to about $23,500 in new federal debt for every person in the country.


I havent looked it up but I read somewhere Trumos new tax plan would mke my tx bill go up, and make Elons tax bill sink. Is that true?




And do you find it funny that Trump claoimed he never ever heard of the famous 2025 plan but he is following it word for word?

So are you really an aggie?

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Indeed, Trump is not a fiscal conservative, and was a big spender, surpassed only by Biden in that regard.

There was no fiscal conservative that had a shot of getting elected this year, just FYI. The only two viable options were Trump and an even bigger spender, which of course means you cast a protest vote.

Good job.

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A vote you believe in is an American vote, the same as the rest. Nobody is protesting when they vote. It's illegal to be in the voting booth and protesting. They are hoping. Hoping the country gets through the next 4 years. And believing, that their candidate would do the best job.

And the more people that vote against the Uniparty, the more choices we will have, and there is nothing more American than the freedom to choose, really choose.

Porteroso said:

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Mothra said:

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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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Clinton balanced the budget

The Clinton years showed the effects of a large tax increase that Clinton pushed through in his first year, and that Republicans incorrectly claim is the "largest tax increase in history." It fell almost exclusively on upper-income taxpayers. Clinton's fiscal 1994 budget also contained some spending restraints. An equally if not more powerful influence was the booming economy and huge gains in the stock markets, the so-called dot-com bubble, which brought in hundreds of millions in unanticipated tax revenue from taxes on capital gains and rising salaries.

Trump talked about it but surprise!!!!

The national debt has risen by almost $7.8 trillion during Trump's time in office. That's nearly twice as much as what Americans owe on student loans, car loans, credit cards and every other type of debt other than mortgages, combined, according to data from the Federal Reserve Bank of New York. It amounts to about $23,500 in new federal debt for every person in the country.


I havent looked it up but I read somewhere Trumos new tax plan would mke my tx bill go up, and make Elons tax bill sink. Is that true?




And do you find it funny that Trump claoimed he never ever heard of the famous 2025 plan but he is following it word for word?

So are you really an aggie?

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Indeed, Trump is not a fiscal conservative, and was a big spender, surpassed only by Biden in that regard.

There was no fiscal conservative that had a shot of getting elected this year, just FYI. The only two viable options were Trump and an even bigger spender, which of course means you cast a protest vote.

Good job.

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A vote you believe in is an American vote, the same as the rest. Nobody is protesting when they vote. It's illegal to be in the voting booth and protesting. They are hoping. Hoping the country gets through the next 4 years. And believing, that their candidate would do the best job.

And the more people that vote against the Uniparty, the more choices we will have, and there is nothing more American than the freedom to choose, really choose.

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If you're not a self-described conservative, as LIQR is, I could see your point. But I would argue that principle doesn't apply to him.

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Mothra said:

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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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Clinton balanced the budget

The Clinton years showed the effects of a large tax increase that Clinton pushed through in his first year, and that Republicans incorrectly claim is the "largest tax increase in history." It fell almost exclusively on upper-income taxpayers. Clinton's fiscal 1994 budget also contained some spending restraints. An equally if not more powerful influence was the booming economy and huge gains in the stock markets, the so-called dot-com bubble, which brought in hundreds of millions in unanticipated tax revenue from taxes on capital gains and rising salaries.

Trump talked about it but surprise!!!!

The national debt has risen by almost $7.8 trillion during Trump's time in office. That's nearly twice as much as what Americans owe on student loans, car loans, credit cards and every other type of debt other than mortgages, combined, according to data from the Federal Reserve Bank of New York. It amounts to about $23,500 in new federal debt for every person in the country.


I havent looked it up but I read somewhere Trumos new tax plan would mke my tx bill go up, and make Elons tax bill sink. Is that true?




And do you find it funny that Trump claoimed he never ever heard of the famous 2025 plan but he is following it word for word?

So are you really an aggie?

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Indeed, Trump is not a fiscal conservative, and was a big spender, surpassed only by Biden in that regard.

There was no fiscal conservative that had a shot of getting elected this year, just FYI. The only two viable options were Trump and an even bigger spender, which of course means you cast a protest vote.

Good job.

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A vote you believe in is an American vote, the same as the rest. Nobody is protesting when they vote.

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Agreed

A vote you believe in is an American vote.

However thousands of individuals knowingly cast protest votes

Porteroso said:

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Mothra said:

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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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Clinton balanced the budget

The Clinton years showed the effects of a large tax increase that Clinton pushed through in his first year, and that Republicans incorrectly claim is the "largest tax increase in history." It fell almost exclusively on upper-income taxpayers. Clinton's fiscal 1994 budget also contained some spending restraints. An equally if not more powerful influence was the booming economy and huge gains in the stock markets, the so-called dot-com bubble, which brought in hundreds of millions in unanticipated tax revenue from taxes on capital gains and rising salaries.

Trump talked about it but surprise!!!!

The national debt has risen by almost $7.8 trillion during Trump's time in office. That's nearly twice as much as what Americans owe on student loans, car loans, credit cards and every other type of debt other than mortgages, combined, according to data from the Federal Reserve Bank of New York. It amounts to about $23,500 in new federal debt for every person in the country.


I havent looked it up but I read somewhere Trumos new tax plan would mke my tx bill go up, and make Elons tax bill sink. Is that true?




And do you find it funny that Trump claoimed he never ever heard of the famous 2025 plan but he is following it word for word?

So are you really an aggie?

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Indeed, Trump is not a fiscal conservative, and was a big spender, surpassed only by Biden in that regard.

There was no fiscal conservative that had a shot of getting elected this year, just FYI. The only two viable options were Trump and an even bigger spender, which of course means you cast a protest vote.

Good job.

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A vote you believe in is an American vote, the same as the rest. Nobody is protesting when they vote. It's illegal to be in the voting booth and protesting. They are hoping. Hoping the country gets through the next 4 years. And believing, that their candidate would do the best job.

And the more people that vote against the Uniparty, the more choices we will have, and there is nothing more American than the freedom to choose, really choose.

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That's an interesting point, but it is truly a platitude. Nothing more.

If we take the idea to its true effect, the idea of voting for someone who has a close to 0% chance to win, it is nothing more than being a bad steward with your vote. It is absolutely equal to throwing your vote in the garbage.

We are currently a two party system. Like it or not. That's the fact of life. Only one candidate in the last 40 or 50 years could muster over 5% of the vote, most are closer to 0 than 5, and that of course is Ross Perot. And those "conservatives" that voted for him, helped liberals win.

I'd say that throwing your support behind a 3rd candidate early is great if they align with what you believe. But if that person is not charismatic and famous, then there is a near zero percent chance of getting elected. So when it comes time for the general elections, unless the 3rd party truly has a significant chance, I believe conservatives should get behind the last standing R candidate. Each of us has seen the chaos Dems bring.

Let the libs throw their votes away on 3rd parties. Perhaps Repubs need to play this smart and start funding Green candidates.

Edit, I will add that I think supporting 3rd party voters at the local level is the best way to support dismantling the uni-party. Until 3rd parties become actually able to challenge a federal position, vote for the R that is on the ticket.