Constitutional Crisis

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The_barBEARian
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fubar said:

I'm not sure which of you guys are intentionally obtuse and which are just dumb.

The spending at issue was approved by Congress (both houses) and the previous President. A subsequent President cannot simply ignore that. He can get the current Congress to change the law (and then sign on), but barring that, he's required to follow the law as it is. This ... is not new.

Given that current federal spending is based on a continuing resolution, I suppose TRUMP can refuse payments once the current resolution expires ... next month, I think.

To the extent we're nearing a Constitutional crisis, it's TRUMP and Friends who are provoking it.

Can you point out where in the constitution it says you can invade the country with 30 million foreign criminals?
Harrison Bergeron
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Sam Lowry said:

Harrison Bergeron said:

Sam Lowry said:

Married A Horn said:

Sam Lowry said:

Doc Holliday said:

Sam Lowry said:

Doc Holliday said:

Sam Lowry said:

Doc Holliday said:

Sam Lowry said:

ATL Bear said:

Don't get drunk on power like the Democrats. It leads to bad places.
Yep.
So we allow democrats to wield abusive power, like you're saying Trump is trying to do?

When it comes to Democrats, judges aren't challenging them. Can you tell me why that's the case?
No, not at all. Democrats lost on disqualification, student loans, and the vaccine mandate, just to name a few. The Mar-a-Lago raid wasn't challenged because it was clearly and obviously justified. I know y'all don't like hearing that, but there it is. The Bragg prosecution in NY was bogus, but that wasn't even a federal case.
Democrats are going to lose on this too because they're taking the position that how our tax dollars are spent shouldn't be transparent.

If you want to argue on abuse of power, that's fine…but let's get one thing straight: Democrats support things they can grift from.

You're over hear worried about Trump being a fascist yet you never say a damn thing about the position and logic that democrats operate on.

Can you answer why these judges want to prevent DOGE from auditing? To take that position is ridiculous.
That isn't their position.

So you're happy now! Transparency won, right?

Or maybe now you realize this was just a temporary restraining order and the real issues have yet to be decided.


Do us a favor and delete your account.
Trump supporters told us day after day, month after month, that there was no need to worry about tyranny. The court system would hold Trump accountable.

Now, to your absolute horror, you're learning that it might actually be true.

I'm so very sorry.
Do you realize "tyranny" does not mean "things I don't like?"

Do you realize transparency and reducing the size of government is the polar opposite of "tyranny?"
Yes, but I don't think you do. I've explained that I like the audit in theory. The problem is that it's the opposite of transparent.
Yes, posting fraud, waste, and abuse on a public web site and on social media is definitely opaque.

What would be your definition of transparency? What does that look like in practice?
Harrison Bergeron
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Married A Horn said:

Harrison Bergeron said:

The only reason to oppose government transparency is if one is hiding something.


The only ones opposing it are the democrat politicians and sam. Cause he is sheep.
That's the core difference between Democrats and Republicans. The GOP celebrated Clinton for doing a similar project in the 90s and would support it today because principle > power. The Democrats have virtually know principles.
Sam Lowry
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Oldbear83 said:

Sam Lowry said:

Harrison Bergeron said:

Sam Lowry said:

Married A Horn said:

Sam Lowry said:

Doc Holliday said:

Sam Lowry said:

Doc Holliday said:

Sam Lowry said:

Doc Holliday said:

Sam Lowry said:

ATL Bear said:

Don't get drunk on power like the Democrats. It leads to bad places.
Yep.
So we allow democrats to wield abusive power, like you're saying Trump is trying to do?

When it comes to Democrats, judges aren't challenging them. Can you tell me why that's the case?
No, not at all. Democrats lost on disqualification, student loans, and the vaccine mandate, just to name a few. The Mar-a-Lago raid wasn't challenged because it was clearly and obviously justified. I know y'all don't like hearing that, but there it is. The Bragg prosecution in NY was bogus, but that wasn't even a federal case.
Democrats are going to lose on this too because they're taking the position that how our tax dollars are spent shouldn't be transparent.

If you want to argue on abuse of power, that's fine…but let's get one thing straight: Democrats support things they can grift from.

You're over hear worried about Trump being a fascist yet you never say a damn thing about the position and logic that democrats operate on.

Can you answer why these judges want to prevent DOGE from auditing? To take that position is ridiculous.
That isn't their position.

So you're happy now! Transparency won, right?

Or maybe now you realize this was just a temporary restraining order and the real issues have yet to be decided.


Do us a favor and delete your account.
Trump supporters told us day after day, month after month, that there was no need to worry about tyranny. The court system would hold Trump accountable.

Now, to your absolute horror, you're learning that it might actually be true.

I'm so very sorry.
Do you realize "tyranny" does not mean "things I don't like?"

Do you realize transparency and reducing the size of government is the polar opposite of "tyranny?"
Yes, but I don't think you do. I've explained that I like the audit in theory. The problem is that it's the opposite of transparent.
LOL, Sam thinks trusting bureaucrats who have been hiding the fraud for years is the definition of "transparent", as opposed to public announcements of everything the audits find.
The process isn't left up to agency bureaucrats. It's supposed to be overseen by the Office of Government Ethics. But Trump just fired the OGE chief a few days ago and said Musk would "excuse himself" any time Musk himself perceived a conflict.

If you're really concerned about the foxes guarding the henhouse, you couldn't find a better example.
Sam Lowry
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Harrison Bergeron said:

Sam Lowry said:

Harrison Bergeron said:

Constitutionally, the crisis is federal judges issuing nationwide rulings and TROs ... we do have a tyranny, but it is from unelected judges.
This is why you bought into "stop the steal."
Know, I never bought Clinton's hysteria about Trump stealing the 2016 election. Not surprising you did.
Nope.
Oldbear83
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Sam Lowry said:

Oldbear83 said:

Sam Lowry said:

Harrison Bergeron said:

Sam Lowry said:

Married A Horn said:

Sam Lowry said:

Doc Holliday said:

Sam Lowry said:

Doc Holliday said:

Sam Lowry said:

Doc Holliday said:

Sam Lowry said:

ATL Bear said:

Don't get drunk on power like the Democrats. It leads to bad places.
Yep.
So we allow democrats to wield abusive power, like you're saying Trump is trying to do?

When it comes to Democrats, judges aren't challenging them. Can you tell me why that's the case?
No, not at all. Democrats lost on disqualification, student loans, and the vaccine mandate, just to name a few. The Mar-a-Lago raid wasn't challenged because it was clearly and obviously justified. I know y'all don't like hearing that, but there it is. The Bragg prosecution in NY was bogus, but that wasn't even a federal case.
Democrats are going to lose on this too because they're taking the position that how our tax dollars are spent shouldn't be transparent.

If you want to argue on abuse of power, that's fine…but let's get one thing straight: Democrats support things they can grift from.

You're over hear worried about Trump being a fascist yet you never say a damn thing about the position and logic that democrats operate on.

Can you answer why these judges want to prevent DOGE from auditing? To take that position is ridiculous.
That isn't their position.

So you're happy now! Transparency won, right?

Or maybe now you realize this was just a temporary restraining order and the real issues have yet to be decided.


Do us a favor and delete your account.
Trump supporters told us day after day, month after month, that there was no need to worry about tyranny. The court system would hold Trump accountable.

Now, to your absolute horror, you're learning that it might actually be true.

I'm so very sorry.
Do you realize "tyranny" does not mean "things I don't like?"

Do you realize transparency and reducing the size of government is the polar opposite of "tyranny?"
Yes, but I don't think you do. I've explained that I like the audit in theory. The problem is that it's the opposite of transparent.
LOL, Sam thinks trusting bureaucrats who have been hiding the fraud for years is the definition of "transparent", as opposed to public announcements of everything the audits find.
The process isn't left up to agency bureaucrats. It's supposed to be overseen by the Office of Government Ethics. But Trump just fired the OGE chief a few days ago and said Musk would "excuse himself" any time Musk himself perceived a conflict.

If you're really concerned about the foxes guarding the henhouse, you couldn't find a better example.
Sure, Hunter.
That which does not kill me, will try again and get nastier
Harrison Bergeron
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Sam Lowry said:

Harrison Bergeron said:

Sam Lowry said:

Harrison Bergeron said:

Constitutionally, the crisis is federal judges issuing nationwide rulings and TROs ... we do have a tyranny, but it is from unelected judges.
This is why you bought into "stop the steal."
Know, I never bought Clinton's hysteria about Trump stealing the 2016 election. Not surprising you did.
Nope.
Incorrect.
The_barBEARian
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Sam Lowry said:

Oldbear83 said:

Sam Lowry said:

Harrison Bergeron said:

Sam Lowry said:

Married A Horn said:

Sam Lowry said:

Doc Holliday said:

Sam Lowry said:

Doc Holliday said:

Sam Lowry said:

Doc Holliday said:

Sam Lowry said:

ATL Bear said:

Don't get drunk on power like the Democrats. It leads to bad places.
Yep.
So we allow democrats to wield abusive power, like you're saying Trump is trying to do?

When it comes to Democrats, judges aren't challenging them. Can you tell me why that's the case?
No, not at all. Democrats lost on disqualification, student loans, and the vaccine mandate, just to name a few. The Mar-a-Lago raid wasn't challenged because it was clearly and obviously justified. I know y'all don't like hearing that, but there it is. The Bragg prosecution in NY was bogus, but that wasn't even a federal case.
Democrats are going to lose on this too because they're taking the position that how our tax dollars are spent shouldn't be transparent.

If you want to argue on abuse of power, that's fine…but let's get one thing straight: Democrats support things they can grift from.

You're over hear worried about Trump being a fascist yet you never say a damn thing about the position and logic that democrats operate on.

Can you answer why these judges want to prevent DOGE from auditing? To take that position is ridiculous.
That isn't their position.

So you're happy now! Transparency won, right?

Or maybe now you realize this was just a temporary restraining order and the real issues have yet to be decided.


Do us a favor and delete your account.
Trump supporters told us day after day, month after month, that there was no need to worry about tyranny. The court system would hold Trump accountable.

Now, to your absolute horror, you're learning that it might actually be true.

I'm so very sorry.
Do you realize "tyranny" does not mean "things I don't like?"

Do you realize transparency and reducing the size of government is the polar opposite of "tyranny?"
Yes, but I don't think you do. I've explained that I like the audit in theory. The problem is that it's the opposite of transparent.
LOL, Sam thinks trusting bureaucrats who have been hiding the fraud for years is the definition of "transparent", as opposed to public announcements of everything the audits find.
The process isn't left up to agency bureaucrats. It's supposed to be overseen by the Office of Government Ethics. But Trump just fired the OGE chief a few days ago and said Musk would "excuse himself" any time Musk himself perceived a conflict.

If you're really concerned about the foxes guarding the henhouse, you couldn't find a better example.

If it comes down to who do you trust more... Musk or Washington bureaucrats?... The answer is easy:

Musk.
Sam Lowry
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Harrison Bergeron said:

Sam Lowry said:

Harrison Bergeron said:

Sam Lowry said:

Harrison Bergeron said:

Constitutionally, the crisis is federal judges issuing nationwide rulings and TROs ... we do have a tyranny, but it is from unelected judges.
This is why you bought into "stop the steal."
Know, I never bought Clinton's hysteria about Trump stealing the 2016 election. Not surprising you did.
Nope.
Incorrect.
You bought Clinton's hysteria about the 2016 election?
Sam Lowry
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The_barBEARian said:

Sam Lowry said:

Oldbear83 said:

Sam Lowry said:

Harrison Bergeron said:

Sam Lowry said:

Married A Horn said:

Sam Lowry said:

Doc Holliday said:

Sam Lowry said:

Doc Holliday said:

Sam Lowry said:

Doc Holliday said:

Sam Lowry said:

ATL Bear said:

Don't get drunk on power like the Democrats. It leads to bad places.
Yep.
So we allow democrats to wield abusive power, like you're saying Trump is trying to do?

When it comes to Democrats, judges aren't challenging them. Can you tell me why that's the case?
No, not at all. Democrats lost on disqualification, student loans, and the vaccine mandate, just to name a few. The Mar-a-Lago raid wasn't challenged because it was clearly and obviously justified. I know y'all don't like hearing that, but there it is. The Bragg prosecution in NY was bogus, but that wasn't even a federal case.
Democrats are going to lose on this too because they're taking the position that how our tax dollars are spent shouldn't be transparent.

If you want to argue on abuse of power, that's fine…but let's get one thing straight: Democrats support things they can grift from.

You're over hear worried about Trump being a fascist yet you never say a damn thing about the position and logic that democrats operate on.

Can you answer why these judges want to prevent DOGE from auditing? To take that position is ridiculous.
That isn't their position.

So you're happy now! Transparency won, right?

Or maybe now you realize this was just a temporary restraining order and the real issues have yet to be decided.


Do us a favor and delete your account.
Trump supporters told us day after day, month after month, that there was no need to worry about tyranny. The court system would hold Trump accountable.

Now, to your absolute horror, you're learning that it might actually be true.

I'm so very sorry.
Do you realize "tyranny" does not mean "things I don't like?"

Do you realize transparency and reducing the size of government is the polar opposite of "tyranny?"
Yes, but I don't think you do. I've explained that I like the audit in theory. The problem is that it's the opposite of transparent.
LOL, Sam thinks trusting bureaucrats who have been hiding the fraud for years is the definition of "transparent", as opposed to public announcements of everything the audits find.
The process isn't left up to agency bureaucrats. It's supposed to be overseen by the Office of Government Ethics. But Trump just fired the OGE chief a few days ago and said Musk would "excuse himself" any time Musk himself perceived a conflict.

If you're really concerned about the foxes guarding the henhouse, you couldn't find a better example.

If it comes down to who do you trust more... Musk or Washington bureaucrats?... The answer is easy:

Musk.
That's why we have laws, so it doesn't come down to that.

Besides, Musk is a Washington bureaucrat now.
Assassin
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Doc Holliday
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Sam Lowry said:

Oldbear83 said:

Sam Lowry said:

Harrison Bergeron said:

Sam Lowry said:

Married A Horn said:

Sam Lowry said:

Doc Holliday said:

Sam Lowry said:

Doc Holliday said:

Sam Lowry said:

Doc Holliday said:

Sam Lowry said:

ATL Bear said:

Don't get drunk on power like the Democrats. It leads to bad places.
Yep.
So we allow democrats to wield abusive power, like you're saying Trump is trying to do?

When it comes to Democrats, judges aren't challenging them. Can you tell me why that's the case?
No, not at all. Democrats lost on disqualification, student loans, and the vaccine mandate, just to name a few. The Mar-a-Lago raid wasn't challenged because it was clearly and obviously justified. I know y'all don't like hearing that, but there it is. The Bragg prosecution in NY was bogus, but that wasn't even a federal case.
Democrats are going to lose on this too because they're taking the position that how our tax dollars are spent shouldn't be transparent.

If you want to argue on abuse of power, that's fine…but let's get one thing straight: Democrats support things they can grift from.

You're over hear worried about Trump being a fascist yet you never say a damn thing about the position and logic that democrats operate on.

Can you answer why these judges want to prevent DOGE from auditing? To take that position is ridiculous.
That isn't their position.

So you're happy now! Transparency won, right?

Or maybe now you realize this was just a temporary restraining order and the real issues have yet to be decided.


Do us a favor and delete your account.
Trump supporters told us day after day, month after month, that there was no need to worry about tyranny. The court system would hold Trump accountable.

Now, to your absolute horror, you're learning that it might actually be true.

I'm so very sorry.
Do you realize "tyranny" does not mean "things I don't like?"

Do you realize transparency and reducing the size of government is the polar opposite of "tyranny?"
Yes, but I don't think you do. I've explained that I like the audit in theory. The problem is that it's the opposite of transparent.
LOL, Sam thinks trusting bureaucrats who have been hiding the fraud for years is the definition of "transparent", as opposed to public announcements of everything the audits find.
The process isn't left up to agency bureaucrats. It's supposed to be overseen by the Office of Government Ethics. But Trump just fired the OGE chief a few days ago and said Musk would "excuse himself" any time Musk himself perceived a conflict.

If you're really concerned about the foxes guarding the henhouse, you couldn't find a better example.
Can you provide an example of how Musk could abuse his position, because I don't see it.

Like what on earth could he do that's so bad that he could completely escape from?
Assassin
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Sam Lowry said:

Oldbear83 said:

Sam Lowry said:

Harrison Bergeron said:

Sam Lowry said:

Married A Horn said:

Sam Lowry said:

Doc Holliday said:

Sam Lowry said:

Doc Holliday said:

Sam Lowry said:

Doc Holliday said:

Sam Lowry said:

ATL Bear said:

Don't get drunk on power like the Democrats. It leads to bad places.
Yep.
So we allow democrats to wield abusive power, like you're saying Trump is trying to do?

When it comes to Democrats, judges aren't challenging them. Can you tell me why that's the case?
No, not at all. Democrats lost on disqualification, student loans, and the vaccine mandate, just to name a few. The Mar-a-Lago raid wasn't challenged because it was clearly and obviously justified. I know y'all don't like hearing that, but there it is. The Bragg prosecution in NY was bogus, but that wasn't even a federal case.
Democrats are going to lose on this too because they're taking the position that how our tax dollars are spent shouldn't be transparent.

If you want to argue on abuse of power, that's fine…but let's get one thing straight: Democrats support things they can grift from.

You're over hear worried about Trump being a fascist yet you never say a damn thing about the position and logic that democrats operate on.

Can you answer why these judges want to prevent DOGE from auditing? To take that position is ridiculous.
That isn't their position.

So you're happy now! Transparency won, right?

Or maybe now you realize this was just a temporary restraining order and the real issues have yet to be decided.


Do us a favor and delete your account.
Trump supporters told us day after day, month after month, that there was no need to worry about tyranny. The court system would hold Trump accountable.

Now, to your absolute horror, you're learning that it might actually be true.

I'm so very sorry.
Do you realize "tyranny" does not mean "things I don't like?"

Do you realize transparency and reducing the size of government is the polar opposite of "tyranny?"
Yes, but I don't think you do. I've explained that I like the audit in theory. The problem is that it's the opposite of transparent.
LOL, Sam thinks trusting bureaucrats who have been hiding the fraud for years is the definition of "transparent", as opposed to public announcements of everything the audits find.
The process isn't left up to agency bureaucrats. It's supposed to be overseen by the Office of Government Ethics. But Trump just fired the OGE chief a few days ago and said Musk would "excuse himself" any time Musk himself perceived a conflict.

If you're really concerned about the foxes guarding the henhouse, you couldn't find a better example.
So you would rather keep the old system where the left wing foxes kept stealing all the people's hen's eggs with no repercussions?
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The_barBEARian
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Doc Holliday said:

Sam Lowry said:

Oldbear83 said:

Sam Lowry said:

Harrison Bergeron said:

Sam Lowry said:

Married A Horn said:

Sam Lowry said:

Doc Holliday said:

Sam Lowry said:

Doc Holliday said:

Sam Lowry said:

Doc Holliday said:

Sam Lowry said:

ATL Bear said:

Don't get drunk on power like the Democrats. It leads to bad places.
Yep.
So we allow democrats to wield abusive power, like you're saying Trump is trying to do?

When it comes to Democrats, judges aren't challenging them. Can you tell me why that's the case?
No, not at all. Democrats lost on disqualification, student loans, and the vaccine mandate, just to name a few. The Mar-a-Lago raid wasn't challenged because it was clearly and obviously justified. I know y'all don't like hearing that, but there it is. The Bragg prosecution in NY was bogus, but that wasn't even a federal case.
Democrats are going to lose on this too because they're taking the position that how our tax dollars are spent shouldn't be transparent.

If you want to argue on abuse of power, that's fine…but let's get one thing straight: Democrats support things they can grift from.

You're over hear worried about Trump being a fascist yet you never say a damn thing about the position and logic that democrats operate on.

Can you answer why these judges want to prevent DOGE from auditing? To take that position is ridiculous.
That isn't their position.

So you're happy now! Transparency won, right?

Or maybe now you realize this was just a temporary restraining order and the real issues have yet to be decided.


Do us a favor and delete your account.
Trump supporters told us day after day, month after month, that there was no need to worry about tyranny. The court system would hold Trump accountable.

Now, to your absolute horror, you're learning that it might actually be true.

I'm so very sorry.
Do you realize "tyranny" does not mean "things I don't like?"

Do you realize transparency and reducing the size of government is the polar opposite of "tyranny?"
Yes, but I don't think you do. I've explained that I like the audit in theory. The problem is that it's the opposite of transparent.
LOL, Sam thinks trusting bureaucrats who have been hiding the fraud for years is the definition of "transparent", as opposed to public announcements of everything the audits find.
The process isn't left up to agency bureaucrats. It's supposed to be overseen by the Office of Government Ethics. But Trump just fired the OGE chief a few days ago and said Musk would "excuse himself" any time Musk himself perceived a conflict.

If you're really concerned about the foxes guarding the henhouse, you couldn't find a better example.
Can you provide an example of how Musk could abuse his position, because I don't see it.

Like what on earth could he do that's so bad that he could completely escape from?

There is no one in this country with more to lose and less to gain than Elon... the idea that he will violate the law and misuse private data is hilarious to me.

He is already the richest man in human history... why would he need to steal anything?
Sam Lowry
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Assassin said:

Sam Lowry said:

Oldbear83 said:

Sam Lowry said:

Harrison Bergeron said:

Sam Lowry said:

Married A Horn said:

Sam Lowry said:

Doc Holliday said:

Sam Lowry said:

Doc Holliday said:

Sam Lowry said:

Doc Holliday said:

Sam Lowry said:

ATL Bear said:

Don't get drunk on power like the Democrats. It leads to bad places.
Yep.
So we allow democrats to wield abusive power, like you're saying Trump is trying to do?

When it comes to Democrats, judges aren't challenging them. Can you tell me why that's the case?
No, not at all. Democrats lost on disqualification, student loans, and the vaccine mandate, just to name a few. The Mar-a-Lago raid wasn't challenged because it was clearly and obviously justified. I know y'all don't like hearing that, but there it is. The Bragg prosecution in NY was bogus, but that wasn't even a federal case.
Democrats are going to lose on this too because they're taking the position that how our tax dollars are spent shouldn't be transparent.

If you want to argue on abuse of power, that's fine…but let's get one thing straight: Democrats support things they can grift from.

You're over hear worried about Trump being a fascist yet you never say a damn thing about the position and logic that democrats operate on.

Can you answer why these judges want to prevent DOGE from auditing? To take that position is ridiculous.
That isn't their position.

So you're happy now! Transparency won, right?

Or maybe now you realize this was just a temporary restraining order and the real issues have yet to be decided.


Do us a favor and delete your account.
Trump supporters told us day after day, month after month, that there was no need to worry about tyranny. The court system would hold Trump accountable.

Now, to your absolute horror, you're learning that it might actually be true.

I'm so very sorry.
Do you realize "tyranny" does not mean "things I don't like?"

Do you realize transparency and reducing the size of government is the polar opposite of "tyranny?"
Yes, but I don't think you do. I've explained that I like the audit in theory. The problem is that it's the opposite of transparent.
LOL, Sam thinks trusting bureaucrats who have been hiding the fraud for years is the definition of "transparent", as opposed to public announcements of everything the audits find.
The process isn't left up to agency bureaucrats. It's supposed to be overseen by the Office of Government Ethics. But Trump just fired the OGE chief a few days ago and said Musk would "excuse himself" any time Musk himself perceived a conflict.

If you're really concerned about the foxes guarding the henhouse, you couldn't find a better example.
So you would rather keep the old system where the left wing foxes kept stealing all the people's hen's eggs with no repercussions?
Yes, because those are the ONLY two choices: 1) Total victory for the left with zero reform, zero accountability, zero change ever or 2) Absolute power for Trump to do whatever he wants.

You guys have sure got it figured out good.
Assassin
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Sam Lowry said:

Assassin said:

Sam Lowry said:

Oldbear83 said:

Sam Lowry said:

Harrison Bergeron said:

Sam Lowry said:

Married A Horn said:

Sam Lowry said:

Doc Holliday said:

Sam Lowry said:

Doc Holliday said:

Sam Lowry said:

Doc Holliday said:

Sam Lowry said:

ATL Bear said:

Don't get drunk on power like the Democrats. It leads to bad places.
Yep.
So we allow democrats to wield abusive power, like you're saying Trump is trying to do?

When it comes to Democrats, judges aren't challenging them. Can you tell me why that's the case?
No, not at all. Democrats lost on disqualification, student loans, and the vaccine mandate, just to name a few. The Mar-a-Lago raid wasn't challenged because it was clearly and obviously justified. I know y'all don't like hearing that, but there it is. The Bragg prosecution in NY was bogus, but that wasn't even a federal case.
Democrats are going to lose on this too because they're taking the position that how our tax dollars are spent shouldn't be transparent.

If you want to argue on abuse of power, that's fine…but let's get one thing straight: Democrats support things they can grift from.

You're over hear worried about Trump being a fascist yet you never say a damn thing about the position and logic that democrats operate on.

Can you answer why these judges want to prevent DOGE from auditing? To take that position is ridiculous.
That isn't their position.

So you're happy now! Transparency won, right?

Or maybe now you realize this was just a temporary restraining order and the real issues have yet to be decided.


Do us a favor and delete your account.
Trump supporters told us day after day, month after month, that there was no need to worry about tyranny. The court system would hold Trump accountable.

Now, to your absolute horror, you're learning that it might actually be true.

I'm so very sorry.
Do you realize "tyranny" does not mean "things I don't like?"

Do you realize transparency and reducing the size of government is the polar opposite of "tyranny?"
Yes, but I don't think you do. I've explained that I like the audit in theory. The problem is that it's the opposite of transparent.
LOL, Sam thinks trusting bureaucrats who have been hiding the fraud for years is the definition of "transparent", as opposed to public announcements of everything the audits find.
The process isn't left up to agency bureaucrats. It's supposed to be overseen by the Office of Government Ethics. But Trump just fired the OGE chief a few days ago and said Musk would "excuse himself" any time Musk himself perceived a conflict.

If you're really concerned about the foxes guarding the henhouse, you couldn't find a better example.
So you would rather keep the old system where the left wing foxes kept stealing all the people's hen's eggs with no repercussions?
Yes, because those are the ONLY two choices: 1) Total victory for the left with zero reform, zero accountability, zero change ever or 2) Absolute power for Trump to do whatever he wants.

You guys have sure got it figured out good.
I think you have too much MSNBC/CNN on your mind. Change the channel!
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Sam Lowry said:

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Constitutionally, the crisis is federal judges issuing nationwide rulings and TROs ... we do have a tyranny, but it is from unelected judges.
This is why you bought into "stop the steal."
Know, I never bought Clinton's hysteria about Trump stealing the 2016 election. Not surprising you did.
Nope.
Incorrect.
You bought Clinton's hysteria about the 2016 election?
No.
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The Constitutional Crisis continues to be the judicial overreach of the nation-wide injunction that reaches beyond the plaintiffs standing. It enables political judges to anti-democratically revoke or write laws outside the will of the electorate. And both parties are hypocrites - there are thousands of examples of Democrats bemoaning the anti-democratic nature of nationwide injunctions only to deploy them.

Here is a good summary:

Commentators broadly agree that nationwide injunctions as currently understood did not exist in the pre-Founding English courts of equity, that no nationwide injunctions issued in the early years of the Republic, and that such injunctions have become more common in the last two decades 51 In a May 2019 address, Attorney General William Barr stated that federal courts "issued only 27 nationwide injunctions in all of the 20th century."52 By contrast, as of February 2020, the Department of Justice (DOJ) had identified 12 nationwide injunctions issued during the presidency of George W. Bush, 19 issued during Barack Obama's presidency and 55 such injunctions issued against the Trump Administration.53 Beyond the general agreement that nationwide injunctions have increased in recent years, scholars debate many significant points, including when the first nationwide injunction issued, whether other types of injunctive relief provide historical precedent for current nationwide injunctions, and the extent to which historical precedent is relevant to the legality of nationwide injunctions today.
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In essence, fascist judges are rewriting the constitution and committing treason by seizing power that does not belong to them.
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In essence, fascist judges are rewriting the constitution and committing treason by seizing power that does not belong to them.
Fascist is not the word to use here, but yes judges are effectively legislating from the bench. There is precedent for SCOTUS doing that - which I disagree with too - but at least it goes through the process, and SCOTUS is a national body. It is much different when a single federal judge legislates for the nation.
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Actually fascist is appropriate. The Democrats as a party are fascist: socialist, authoritarian, bigoted, willing to abuse the law, etc. Essentially, all the characteristics associated with modern fascism.

The judges share in these characteristics, especially the abuse of power and ignoring the rule of law.
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historian said:

Actually fascist is appropriate. The Democrats as a party are fascist: socialist, authoritarian, bigoted, willing to abuse the law, etc. Essentially, all the characteristics associated with modern fascism.

The judges share in these characteristics, especially the abuse of power and ignoring the rule of law.
Again, fascism is an economic system not a political system.

Are they fascist yes. Is this a sign of it, no. The left by definition is authoritarian, which is the more proper descriptor.
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All economic systems have political elements and parallels. Socialism is impossible without coercion… and still fails every time. But is the authoritarianism that goes along with it that reveal its evil most starkly.

My list above, economic & political, accurately describe characteristics of fascism, both historic & modern.
 
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