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historian
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Politicians & bureaucrats with nothing to hide have no reason to oppose an audit. Their vehement opposition & loud rants point to corruption and crimes.
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historian said:

Politicians & bureaucrats with nothing to hide have no reason to oppose an audit. Their vehement opposition & loud rants point to corruption and crimes.
Naturally

Only hyper partisans even attempt to cloud the issue.

Suspect leftists will magically begin to appreciate Musk's efforts when he focuses his team on the Pentagon.
Sam Lowry
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Doc Holliday said:

Sam Lowry said:

Doc Holliday said:

Sam Lowry said:

ATL Bear said:

Don't get drunk on power like the Democrats. It leads to bad places.
Yep.
So we allow democrats to wield abusive power, like you're saying Trump is trying to do?

When it comes to Democrats, judges aren't challenging them. Can you tell me why that's the case?
No, not at all. Democrats lost on disqualification, student loans, and the vaccine mandate, just to name a few. The Mar-a-Lago raid wasn't challenged because it was clearly and obviously justified. I know y'all don't like hearing that, but there it is. The Bragg prosecution in NY was bogus, but that wasn't even a federal case.
Democrats are going to lose on this too because they're taking the position that how our tax dollars are spent shouldn't be transparent.

If you want to argue on abuse of power, that's fine…but let's get one thing straight: Democrats support things they can grift from.

You're over hear worried about Trump being a fascist yet you never say a damn thing about the position and logic that democrats operate on.

Can you answer why these judges want to prevent DOGE from auditing? To take that position is ridiculous.
That isn't their position.
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Yes it is.
Oldbear83
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He said 'explain it', not 'toss off a link that doesn't answer the question'.

You are defaulting to 'Democrat', you know.

It's like a DYI lobotomy.
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Oldbear83
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Sam Lowry said:

Doc Holliday said:

Sam Lowry said:

Doc Holliday said:

Sam Lowry said:

ATL Bear said:

Don't get drunk on power like the Democrats. It leads to bad places.
Yep.
So we allow democrats to wield abusive power, like you're saying Trump is trying to do?

When it comes to Democrats, judges aren't challenging them. Can you tell me why that's the case?
No, not at all. Democrats lost on disqualification, student loans, and the vaccine mandate, just to name a few. The Mar-a-Lago raid wasn't challenged because it was clearly and obviously justified. I know y'all don't like hearing that, but there it is. The Bragg prosecution in NY was bogus, but that wasn't even a federal case.
Democrats are going to lose on this too because they're taking the position that how our tax dollars are spent shouldn't be transparent.

If you want to argue on abuse of power, that's fine…but let's get one thing straight: Democrats support things they can grift from.

You're over hear worried about Trump being a fascist yet you never say a damn thing about the position and logic that democrats operate on.

Can you answer why these judges want to prevent DOGE from auditing? To take that position is ridiculous.
That isn't their position.
OK, that and hysteria, but those go together.
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Harrison Bergeron
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The only reason to oppose government transparency is if one is hiding something.
Married A Horn
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Harrison Bergeron said:

The only reason to oppose government transparency is if one is hiding something.


The only ones opposing it are the democrat politicians and sam. Cause he is sheep.
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Jan. 6 Rioters Argue Pardons Apply to Charges Including Murder Plot, Child Porn
Defendants argue that Trump pardons should absolve them of additional crimes, some discovered during investigations of the Capitol riot
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I hope Trump didn't pardon murder or child porn charges. Unless there is evidence that the charges are illegitimate and they were railroaded, they shouldn't embarrass themselves by mentioning it. Those are the kinds of crimes Biden pardoned. I would not expect Trump to do the same.
Doc Holliday
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Sam Lowry said:

Doc Holliday said:

Sam Lowry said:

Doc Holliday said:

Sam Lowry said:

ATL Bear said:

Don't get drunk on power like the Democrats. It leads to bad places.
Yep.
So we allow democrats to wield abusive power, like you're saying Trump is trying to do?

When it comes to Democrats, judges aren't challenging them. Can you tell me why that's the case?
No, not at all. Democrats lost on disqualification, student loans, and the vaccine mandate, just to name a few. The Mar-a-Lago raid wasn't challenged because it was clearly and obviously justified. I know y'all don't like hearing that, but there it is. The Bragg prosecution in NY was bogus, but that wasn't even a federal case.
Democrats are going to lose on this too because they're taking the position that how our tax dollars are spent shouldn't be transparent.

If you want to argue on abuse of power, that's fine…but let's get one thing straight: Democrats support things they can grift from.

You're over hear worried about Trump being a fascist yet you never say a damn thing about the position and logic that democrats operate on.

Can you answer why these judges want to prevent DOGE from auditing? To take that position is ridiculous.
That isn't their position.
Married A Horn
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She may change her mind within 24 hours according to gateway pundit. Let's hope not.
Sam Lowry
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Doc Holliday said:

Sam Lowry said:

Doc Holliday said:

Sam Lowry said:

Doc Holliday said:

Sam Lowry said:

ATL Bear said:

Don't get drunk on power like the Democrats. It leads to bad places.
Yep.
So we allow democrats to wield abusive power, like you're saying Trump is trying to do?

When it comes to Democrats, judges aren't challenging them. Can you tell me why that's the case?
No, not at all. Democrats lost on disqualification, student loans, and the vaccine mandate, just to name a few. The Mar-a-Lago raid wasn't challenged because it was clearly and obviously justified. I know y'all don't like hearing that, but there it is. The Bragg prosecution in NY was bogus, but that wasn't even a federal case.
Democrats are going to lose on this too because they're taking the position that how our tax dollars are spent shouldn't be transparent.

If you want to argue on abuse of power, that's fine…but let's get one thing straight: Democrats support things they can grift from.

You're over hear worried about Trump being a fascist yet you never say a damn thing about the position and logic that democrats operate on.

Can you answer why these judges want to prevent DOGE from auditing? To take that position is ridiculous.
That isn't their position.

So you're happy now! Transparency won, right?

Or maybe now you realize this was just a temporary restraining order and the real issues have yet to be decided.
Doc Holliday
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Sam Lowry said:

Doc Holliday said:

Sam Lowry said:

Doc Holliday said:

Sam Lowry said:

Doc Holliday said:

Sam Lowry said:

ATL Bear said:

Don't get drunk on power like the Democrats. It leads to bad places.
Yep.
So we allow democrats to wield abusive power, like you're saying Trump is trying to do?

When it comes to Democrats, judges aren't challenging them. Can you tell me why that's the case?
No, not at all. Democrats lost on disqualification, student loans, and the vaccine mandate, just to name a few. The Mar-a-Lago raid wasn't challenged because it was clearly and obviously justified. I know y'all don't like hearing that, but there it is. The Bragg prosecution in NY was bogus, but that wasn't even a federal case.
Democrats are going to lose on this too because they're taking the position that how our tax dollars are spent shouldn't be transparent.

If you want to argue on abuse of power, that's fine…but let's get one thing straight: Democrats support things they can grift from.

You're over hear worried about Trump being a fascist yet you never say a damn thing about the position and logic that democrats operate on.

Can you answer why these judges want to prevent DOGE from auditing? To take that position is ridiculous.
That isn't their position.

So you're happy now! Transparency won, right?

Or maybe now you realize this was just a temporary restraining order and the real issues have yet to be decided.
What DOGE has already exposed should have politicians concerned and in a rush to uncover more…but we're not a serious country. They should be scrambling to provide as much support as possible for auditing the government after all the insane spending that's already been exposed and is just a small fraction in the grand scheme.

The message from the DC establishment is that there's nothing to see and that auditing how government spends money is fascism. Every MSM news outlet right now is trying to claim what they're doing is wrong and illegal…not a word about how our tax dollars are being used. Do you even question or ponder why they do that in lockstep with one another?

Do you honestly think we live in a world of checks and balances? Do you assume there's no fraud or corruption going on behind the scenes?

I think you don't want to concede that we're dealing with unprecedented corruption because a world where U.S. politicians/bureaucrats are corrupt is terrifying and unfathomable. Maybe you don't accept that this world is as evil as our God has already explained on countless occasions.
Married A Horn
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Sam Lowry said:

Doc Holliday said:

Sam Lowry said:

Doc Holliday said:

Sam Lowry said:

Doc Holliday said:

Sam Lowry said:

ATL Bear said:

Don't get drunk on power like the Democrats. It leads to bad places.
Yep.
So we allow democrats to wield abusive power, like you're saying Trump is trying to do?

When it comes to Democrats, judges aren't challenging them. Can you tell me why that's the case?
No, not at all. Democrats lost on disqualification, student loans, and the vaccine mandate, just to name a few. The Mar-a-Lago raid wasn't challenged because it was clearly and obviously justified. I know y'all don't like hearing that, but there it is. The Bragg prosecution in NY was bogus, but that wasn't even a federal case.
Democrats are going to lose on this too because they're taking the position that how our tax dollars are spent shouldn't be transparent.

If you want to argue on abuse of power, that's fine…but let's get one thing straight: Democrats support things they can grift from.

You're over hear worried about Trump being a fascist yet you never say a damn thing about the position and logic that democrats operate on.

Can you answer why these judges want to prevent DOGE from auditing? To take that position is ridiculous.
That isn't their position.

So you're happy now! Transparency won, right?

Or maybe now you realize this was just a temporary restraining order and the real issues have yet to be decided.


Do us a favor and delete your account.
Sam Lowry
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Doc Holliday said:

Sam Lowry said:

Doc Holliday said:

Sam Lowry said:

Doc Holliday said:

Sam Lowry said:

Doc Holliday said:

Sam Lowry said:

ATL Bear said:

Don't get drunk on power like the Democrats. It leads to bad places.
Yep.
So we allow democrats to wield abusive power, like you're saying Trump is trying to do?

When it comes to Democrats, judges aren't challenging them. Can you tell me why that's the case?
No, not at all. Democrats lost on disqualification, student loans, and the vaccine mandate, just to name a few. The Mar-a-Lago raid wasn't challenged because it was clearly and obviously justified. I know y'all don't like hearing that, but there it is. The Bragg prosecution in NY was bogus, but that wasn't even a federal case.
Democrats are going to lose on this too because they're taking the position that how our tax dollars are spent shouldn't be transparent.

If you want to argue on abuse of power, that's fine…but let's get one thing straight: Democrats support things they can grift from.

You're over hear worried about Trump being a fascist yet you never say a damn thing about the position and logic that democrats operate on.

Can you answer why these judges want to prevent DOGE from auditing? To take that position is ridiculous.
That isn't their position.

So you're happy now! Transparency won, right?

Or maybe now you realize this was just a temporary restraining order and the real issues have yet to be decided.
What DOGE has already exposed should have politicians concerned and in a rush to uncover more…but we're not a serious country. They should be scrambling to provide as much support as possible for auditing the government after all the insane spending that's already been exposed and is just a small fraction in the grand scheme.

The message from the DC establishment is that there's nothing to see and that auditing how government spends money is fascism. Every MSM news outlet right now is trying to claim what they're doing is wrong and illegal…not a word about how our tax dollars are being used. Do you even question or ponder why they do that in lockstep with one another?

Do you honestly think we live in a world of checks and balances? Do you assume there's no fraud or corruption going on behind the scenes?

I think you don't want to concede that we're dealing with unprecedented corruption because a world where U.S. politicians/bureaucrats are corrupt is terrifying and unfathomable. Maybe you don't accept that this world is as evil as our God has already explained on countless occasions.
I understand all of those things as well as you do. I also understand that tyranny doesn't gestate in conditions of justice and moral integrity. History teaches that it's a consequence of the very decadence and depravity that are the source of your outrage. We become most zealous when we should be most cautious. We fear the disease so much that we reach blindly for any cure.

The defense against this trap is the rule of law. It's the commitment to due process even when it slows you down. Make no mistake, it slows your opponents down too. Evidence is not your enemy. But if you want transparency for USAID and not for DOGE, you don't want transparency...and you won't get it.

There's no magical cure for the debt. Do you really think the problem is just "fraud and waste?" You think Trump can solve it just by banishing all the people and programs that you happen not to like? There's a reason we as a country haven't found a solution yet --because it's hard. It requires tough choices and sacrifices. Demagogues offer easy answers.

You've got two choices in a troubled democracy. You give the devil the benefit of law for your own safety's sake. Or you meet the new boss, same as the old boss...if not worse. Terrifying as it may be, there's no third option.
Oldbear83
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You've gone so round the bend, Sam, you are out-psychoing the girls on The View.
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Sam Lowry
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Married A Horn said:

Sam Lowry said:

Doc Holliday said:

Sam Lowry said:

Doc Holliday said:

Sam Lowry said:

Doc Holliday said:

Sam Lowry said:

ATL Bear said:

Don't get drunk on power like the Democrats. It leads to bad places.
Yep.
So we allow democrats to wield abusive power, like you're saying Trump is trying to do?

When it comes to Democrats, judges aren't challenging them. Can you tell me why that's the case?
No, not at all. Democrats lost on disqualification, student loans, and the vaccine mandate, just to name a few. The Mar-a-Lago raid wasn't challenged because it was clearly and obviously justified. I know y'all don't like hearing that, but there it is. The Bragg prosecution in NY was bogus, but that wasn't even a federal case.
Democrats are going to lose on this too because they're taking the position that how our tax dollars are spent shouldn't be transparent.

If you want to argue on abuse of power, that's fine…but let's get one thing straight: Democrats support things they can grift from.

You're over hear worried about Trump being a fascist yet you never say a damn thing about the position and logic that democrats operate on.

Can you answer why these judges want to prevent DOGE from auditing? To take that position is ridiculous.
That isn't their position.

So you're happy now! Transparency won, right?

Or maybe now you realize this was just a temporary restraining order and the real issues have yet to be decided.


Do us a favor and delete your account.
Trump supporters told us day after day, month after month, that there was no need to worry about tyranny. The court system would hold Trump accountable.

Now, to your absolute horror, you're learning that it might actually be true.

I'm so very sorry.
Oldbear83
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Sam Lowry said:

Married A Horn said:

Sam Lowry said:

Doc Holliday said:

Sam Lowry said:

Doc Holliday said:

Sam Lowry said:

Doc Holliday said:

Sam Lowry said:

ATL Bear said:

Don't get drunk on power like the Democrats. It leads to bad places.
Yep.
So we allow democrats to wield abusive power, like you're saying Trump is trying to do?

When it comes to Democrats, judges aren't challenging them. Can you tell me why that's the case?
No, not at all. Democrats lost on disqualification, student loans, and the vaccine mandate, just to name a few. The Mar-a-Lago raid wasn't challenged because it was clearly and obviously justified. I know y'all don't like hearing that, but there it is. The Bragg prosecution in NY was bogus, but that wasn't even a federal case.
Democrats are going to lose on this too because they're taking the position that how our tax dollars are spent shouldn't be transparent.

If you want to argue on abuse of power, that's fine…but let's get one thing straight: Democrats support things they can grift from.

You're over hear worried about Trump being a fascist yet you never say a damn thing about the position and logic that democrats operate on.

Can you answer why these judges want to prevent DOGE from auditing? To take that position is ridiculous.
That isn't their position.

So you're happy now! Transparency won, right?

Or maybe now you realize this was just a temporary restraining order and the real issues have yet to be decided.


Do us a favor and delete your account.
Trump supporters told us day after day, month after month, that there was no need to worry about tyranny. The court system would hold Trump accountable.

Now, to your absolute horror, you're learning that it might actually be true.

I'm so very sorry.
What a load of crap.

Trump is keeping his promises, trying to end a war no one needs, looks like he could balance the budget, and Sam can't do any better than fall back on the old 'Hitler' lie.

And by the way, Sam, Article II of the Constitution is pretty plain, and no, your pet judges do not have authority to dictate what the President may do with Executive authority.

All you are doing is proving yourself a malicious Schiff-head.

(Just holding Sam accountable in a pragmatic sense)
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Married A Horn
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Sam Lowry said:

Married A Horn said:

Sam Lowry said:

Doc Holliday said:

Sam Lowry said:

Doc Holliday said:

Sam Lowry said:

Doc Holliday said:

Sam Lowry said:

ATL Bear said:

Don't get drunk on power like the Democrats. It leads to bad places.
Yep.
So we allow democrats to wield abusive power, like you're saying Trump is trying to do?

When it comes to Democrats, judges aren't challenging them. Can you tell me why that's the case?
No, not at all. Democrats lost on disqualification, student loans, and the vaccine mandate, just to name a few. The Mar-a-Lago raid wasn't challenged because it was clearly and obviously justified. I know y'all don't like hearing that, but there it is. The Bragg prosecution in NY was bogus, but that wasn't even a federal case.
Democrats are going to lose on this too because they're taking the position that how our tax dollars are spent shouldn't be transparent.

If you want to argue on abuse of power, that's fine…but let's get one thing straight: Democrats support things they can grift from.

You're over hear worried about Trump being a fascist yet you never say a damn thing about the position and logic that democrats operate on.

Can you answer why these judges want to prevent DOGE from auditing? To take that position is ridiculous.
That isn't their position.

So you're happy now! Transparency won, right?

Or maybe now you realize this was just a temporary restraining order and the real issues have yet to be decided.


Do us a favor and delete your account.
Trump supporters told us day after day, month after month, that there was no need to worry about tyranny. The court system would hold Trump accountable.

Now, to your absolute horror, you're learning that it might actually be true.

I'm so very sorry.


Oh. Wrong again you are. But I would still like for you to delete your account.
Sam Lowry
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Married A Horn said:

Sam Lowry said:

Married A Horn said:

Sam Lowry said:

Doc Holliday said:

Sam Lowry said:

Doc Holliday said:

Sam Lowry said:

Doc Holliday said:

Sam Lowry said:

ATL Bear said:

Don't get drunk on power like the Democrats. It leads to bad places.
Yep.
So we allow democrats to wield abusive power, like you're saying Trump is trying to do?

When it comes to Democrats, judges aren't challenging them. Can you tell me why that's the case?
No, not at all. Democrats lost on disqualification, student loans, and the vaccine mandate, just to name a few. The Mar-a-Lago raid wasn't challenged because it was clearly and obviously justified. I know y'all don't like hearing that, but there it is. The Bragg prosecution in NY was bogus, but that wasn't even a federal case.
Democrats are going to lose on this too because they're taking the position that how our tax dollars are spent shouldn't be transparent.

If you want to argue on abuse of power, that's fine…but let's get one thing straight: Democrats support things they can grift from.

You're over hear worried about Trump being a fascist yet you never say a damn thing about the position and logic that democrats operate on.

Can you answer why these judges want to prevent DOGE from auditing? To take that position is ridiculous.
That isn't their position.

So you're happy now! Transparency won, right?

Or maybe now you realize this was just a temporary restraining order and the real issues have yet to be decided.


Do us a favor and delete your account.
Trump supporters told us day after day, month after month, that there was no need to worry about tyranny. The court system would hold Trump accountable.

Now, to your absolute horror, you're learning that it might actually be true.

I'm so very sorry.


Oh. Wrong again you are. But I would still like for you to delete your account.
I said it might be true, okay? It's far from certain, especially considering Trump's utter disregard for the law and the timidity of the Congress and the Court. So you can still feel good.
Married A Horn
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Want to know what would make me feel good? You deleting your account.
Doc Holliday
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Sam Lowry said:

Doc Holliday said:

Sam Lowry said:

Doc Holliday said:

Sam Lowry said:

Doc Holliday said:

Sam Lowry said:

Doc Holliday said:

Sam Lowry said:

ATL Bear said:

Don't get drunk on power like the Democrats. It leads to bad places.
Yep.
So we allow democrats to wield abusive power, like you're saying Trump is trying to do?

When it comes to Democrats, judges aren't challenging them. Can you tell me why that's the case?
No, not at all. Democrats lost on disqualification, student loans, and the vaccine mandate, just to name a few. The Mar-a-Lago raid wasn't challenged because it was clearly and obviously justified. I know y'all don't like hearing that, but there it is. The Bragg prosecution in NY was bogus, but that wasn't even a federal case.
Democrats are going to lose on this too because they're taking the position that how our tax dollars are spent shouldn't be transparent.

If you want to argue on abuse of power, that's fine…but let's get one thing straight: Democrats support things they can grift from.

You're over hear worried about Trump being a fascist yet you never say a damn thing about the position and logic that democrats operate on.

Can you answer why these judges want to prevent DOGE from auditing? To take that position is ridiculous.
That isn't their position.

So you're happy now! Transparency won, right?

Or maybe now you realize this was just a temporary restraining order and the real issues have yet to be decided.
What DOGE has already exposed should have politicians concerned and in a rush to uncover more…but we're not a serious country. They should be scrambling to provide as much support as possible for auditing the government after all the insane spending that's already been exposed and is just a small fraction in the grand scheme.

The message from the DC establishment is that there's nothing to see and that auditing how government spends money is fascism. Every MSM news outlet right now is trying to claim what they're doing is wrong and illegal…not a word about how our tax dollars are being used. Do you even question or ponder why they do that in lockstep with one another?

Do you honestly think we live in a world of checks and balances? Do you assume there's no fraud or corruption going on behind the scenes?

I think you don't want to concede that we're dealing with unprecedented corruption because a world where U.S. politicians/bureaucrats are corrupt is terrifying and unfathomable. Maybe you don't accept that this world is as evil as our God has already explained on countless occasions.
I understand all of those things as well as you do. I also understand that tyranny doesn't gestate in conditions of justice and moral integrity. History teaches that it's a consequence of the very decadence and depravity that are the source of your outrage. We become most zealous when we should be most cautious. We fear the disease so much that we reach blindly for any cure.

The defense against this trap is the rule of law. It's the commitment to due process even when it slows you down. Make no mistake, it slows your opponents down too. Evidence is not your enemy. But if you want transparency for USAID and not for DOGE, you don't want transparency...and you won't get it.

There's no magical cure for the debt. Do you really think the problem is just "fraud and waste?" You think Trump can solve it just by banishing all the people and programs that you happen not to like? There's a reason we as a country haven't found a solution yet --because it's hard. It requires tough choices and sacrifices. Demagogues offer easy answers.

You've got two choices in a troubled democracy. You give the devil the benefit of law for your own safety's sake. Or you meet the new boss, same as the old boss...if not worse. Terrifying as it may be, there's no third option.
Just to be clear on the level of concern, DOGE found that our government spent $4.7T without any documentary requirement that it was connected to an approved budget item…

I don't think you understand the severity of what we're dealing with here. We can't afford to move slow and the very people in charge of this are benefiting from it.

Who watches the watchmen? The likelihood that the "rule of law" or your preferred method to fix this is less than 1%. You're telling me to have faith in something that seeks to protect the status quo.
Sam Lowry
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Doc Holliday said:

Sam Lowry said:

Doc Holliday said:

Sam Lowry said:

Doc Holliday said:

Sam Lowry said:

Doc Holliday said:

Sam Lowry said:

Doc Holliday said:

Sam Lowry said:

ATL Bear said:

Don't get drunk on power like the Democrats. It leads to bad places.
Yep.
So we allow democrats to wield abusive power, like you're saying Trump is trying to do?

When it comes to Democrats, judges aren't challenging them. Can you tell me why that's the case?
No, not at all. Democrats lost on disqualification, student loans, and the vaccine mandate, just to name a few. The Mar-a-Lago raid wasn't challenged because it was clearly and obviously justified. I know y'all don't like hearing that, but there it is. The Bragg prosecution in NY was bogus, but that wasn't even a federal case.
Democrats are going to lose on this too because they're taking the position that how our tax dollars are spent shouldn't be transparent.

If you want to argue on abuse of power, that's fine…but let's get one thing straight: Democrats support things they can grift from.

You're over hear worried about Trump being a fascist yet you never say a damn thing about the position and logic that democrats operate on.

Can you answer why these judges want to prevent DOGE from auditing? To take that position is ridiculous.
That isn't their position.

So you're happy now! Transparency won, right?

Or maybe now you realize this was just a temporary restraining order and the real issues have yet to be decided.
What DOGE has already exposed should have politicians concerned and in a rush to uncover more…but we're not a serious country. They should be scrambling to provide as much support as possible for auditing the government after all the insane spending that's already been exposed and is just a small fraction in the grand scheme.

The message from the DC establishment is that there's nothing to see and that auditing how government spends money is fascism. Every MSM news outlet right now is trying to claim what they're doing is wrong and illegal…not a word about how our tax dollars are being used. Do you even question or ponder why they do that in lockstep with one another?

Do you honestly think we live in a world of checks and balances? Do you assume there's no fraud or corruption going on behind the scenes?

I think you don't want to concede that we're dealing with unprecedented corruption because a world where U.S. politicians/bureaucrats are corrupt is terrifying and unfathomable. Maybe you don't accept that this world is as evil as our God has already explained on countless occasions.
I understand all of those things as well as you do. I also understand that tyranny doesn't gestate in conditions of justice and moral integrity. History teaches that it's a consequence of the very decadence and depravity that are the source of your outrage. We become most zealous when we should be most cautious. We fear the disease so much that we reach blindly for any cure.

The defense against this trap is the rule of law. It's the commitment to due process even when it slows you down. Make no mistake, it slows your opponents down too. Evidence is not your enemy. But if you want transparency for USAID and not for DOGE, you don't want transparency...and you won't get it.

There's no magical cure for the debt. Do you really think the problem is just "fraud and waste?" You think Trump can solve it just by banishing all the people and programs that you happen not to like? There's a reason we as a country haven't found a solution yet --because it's hard. It requires tough choices and sacrifices. Demagogues offer easy answers.

You've got two choices in a troubled democracy. You give the devil the benefit of law for your own safety's sake. Or you meet the new boss, same as the old boss...if not worse. Terrifying as it may be, there's no third option.
Just to be clear on the level of concern, DOGE found that our government spent $4.7T without any documentary requirement that it was connected to an approved budget item…

I don't think you understand the severity of what we're dealing with here. We can't afford to move slow and the very people in charge of this are benefiting from it.

Who watches the watchmen? The likelihood that the "rule of law" or your preferred method to fix this is less than 1%. You're telling me to have faith in something that seeks to protect the status quo.
And speaking of documentary requirements, your documentation of this $4.7T discovery is…a post on X from a guy who's exempt from documenting his conflicts of interest or anything else.

The rule of law isn't a demand for blind faith. A little intellectual honesty goes a long way.
Married A Horn
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Sam with the "the government hasn't told me I can believe it yet; herefore it is not true" line again.
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Sam Lowry said:

Doc Holliday said:

Sam Lowry said:

Doc Holliday said:

Sam Lowry said:

Doc Holliday said:

Sam Lowry said:

Doc Holliday said:

Sam Lowry said:

Doc Holliday said:

Sam Lowry said:

ATL Bear said:

Don't get drunk on power like the Democrats. It leads to bad places.
Yep.
So we allow democrats to wield abusive power, like you're saying Trump is trying to do?

When it comes to Democrats, judges aren't challenging them. Can you tell me why that's the case?
No, not at all. Democrats lost on disqualification, student loans, and the vaccine mandate, just to name a few. The Mar-a-Lago raid wasn't challenged because it was clearly and obviously justified. I know y'all don't like hearing that, but there it is. The Bragg prosecution in NY was bogus, but that wasn't even a federal case.
Democrats are going to lose on this too because they're taking the position that how our tax dollars are spent shouldn't be transparent.

If you want to argue on abuse of power, that's fine…but let's get one thing straight: Democrats support things they can grift from.

You're over hear worried about Trump being a fascist yet you never say a damn thing about the position and logic that democrats operate on.

Can you answer why these judges want to prevent DOGE from auditing? To take that position is ridiculous.
That isn't their position.

So you're happy now! Transparency won, right?

Or maybe now you realize this was just a temporary restraining order and the real issues have yet to be decided.
What DOGE has already exposed should have politicians concerned and in a rush to uncover more…but we're not a serious country. They should be scrambling to provide as much support as possible for auditing the government after all the insane spending that's already been exposed and is just a small fraction in the grand scheme.

The message from the DC establishment is that there's nothing to see and that auditing how government spends money is fascism. Every MSM news outlet right now is trying to claim what they're doing is wrong and illegal…not a word about how our tax dollars are being used. Do you even question or ponder why they do that in lockstep with one another?

Do you honestly think we live in a world of checks and balances? Do you assume there's no fraud or corruption going on behind the scenes?

I think you don't want to concede that we're dealing with unprecedented corruption because a world where U.S. politicians/bureaucrats are corrupt is terrifying and unfathomable. Maybe you don't accept that this world is as evil as our God has already explained on countless occasions.
I understand all of those things as well as you do. I also understand that tyranny doesn't gestate in conditions of justice and moral integrity. History teaches that it's a consequence of the very decadence and depravity that are the source of your outrage. We become most zealous when we should be most cautious. We fear the disease so much that we reach blindly for any cure.

The defense against this trap is the rule of law. It's the commitment to due process even when it slows you down. Make no mistake, it slows your opponents down too. Evidence is not your enemy. But if you want transparency for USAID and not for DOGE, you don't want transparency...and you won't get it.

There's no magical cure for the debt. Do you really think the problem is just "fraud and waste?" You think Trump can solve it just by banishing all the people and programs that you happen not to like? There's a reason we as a country haven't found a solution yet --because it's hard. It requires tough choices and sacrifices. Demagogues offer easy answers.

You've got two choices in a troubled democracy. You give the devil the benefit of law for your own safety's sake. Or you meet the new boss, same as the old boss...if not worse. Terrifying as it may be, there's no third option.
Just to be clear on the level of concern, DOGE found that our government spent $4.7T without any documentary requirement that it was connected to an approved budget item…

I don't think you understand the severity of what we're dealing with here. We can't afford to move slow and the very people in charge of this are benefiting from it.

Who watches the watchmen? The likelihood that the "rule of law" or your preferred method to fix this is less than 1%. You're telling me to have faith in something that seeks to protect the status quo.
And speaking of documentary requirements, your documentation of this $4.7T discovery is…a post on X from a guy who's exempt from documenting his conflicts of interest or anything else.

The rule of law isn't a demand for blind faith. A little intellectual honesty goes a long way.
Oh so because you've been told that Musk is bad that he must be lying, even if he delivers receipts.

Wow
Sam Lowry
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Doc Holliday said:

Sam Lowry said:

Doc Holliday said:

Sam Lowry said:

Doc Holliday said:

Sam Lowry said:

Doc Holliday said:

Sam Lowry said:

Doc Holliday said:

Sam Lowry said:

Doc Holliday said:

Sam Lowry said:

ATL Bear said:

Don't get drunk on power like the Democrats. It leads to bad places.
Yep.
So we allow democrats to wield abusive power, like you're saying Trump is trying to do?

When it comes to Democrats, judges aren't challenging them. Can you tell me why that's the case?
No, not at all. Democrats lost on disqualification, student loans, and the vaccine mandate, just to name a few. The Mar-a-Lago raid wasn't challenged because it was clearly and obviously justified. I know y'all don't like hearing that, but there it is. The Bragg prosecution in NY was bogus, but that wasn't even a federal case.
Democrats are going to lose on this too because they're taking the position that how our tax dollars are spent shouldn't be transparent.

If you want to argue on abuse of power, that's fine…but let's get one thing straight: Democrats support things they can grift from.

You're over hear worried about Trump being a fascist yet you never say a damn thing about the position and logic that democrats operate on.

Can you answer why these judges want to prevent DOGE from auditing? To take that position is ridiculous.
That isn't their position.

So you're happy now! Transparency won, right?

Or maybe now you realize this was just a temporary restraining order and the real issues have yet to be decided.
What DOGE has already exposed should have politicians concerned and in a rush to uncover more…but we're not a serious country. They should be scrambling to provide as much support as possible for auditing the government after all the insane spending that's already been exposed and is just a small fraction in the grand scheme.

The message from the DC establishment is that there's nothing to see and that auditing how government spends money is fascism. Every MSM news outlet right now is trying to claim what they're doing is wrong and illegal…not a word about how our tax dollars are being used. Do you even question or ponder why they do that in lockstep with one another?

Do you honestly think we live in a world of checks and balances? Do you assume there's no fraud or corruption going on behind the scenes?

I think you don't want to concede that we're dealing with unprecedented corruption because a world where U.S. politicians/bureaucrats are corrupt is terrifying and unfathomable. Maybe you don't accept that this world is as evil as our God has already explained on countless occasions.
I understand all of those things as well as you do. I also understand that tyranny doesn't gestate in conditions of justice and moral integrity. History teaches that it's a consequence of the very decadence and depravity that are the source of your outrage. We become most zealous when we should be most cautious. We fear the disease so much that we reach blindly for any cure.

The defense against this trap is the rule of law. It's the commitment to due process even when it slows you down. Make no mistake, it slows your opponents down too. Evidence is not your enemy. But if you want transparency for USAID and not for DOGE, you don't want transparency...and you won't get it.

There's no magical cure for the debt. Do you really think the problem is just "fraud and waste?" You think Trump can solve it just by banishing all the people and programs that you happen not to like? There's a reason we as a country haven't found a solution yet --because it's hard. It requires tough choices and sacrifices. Demagogues offer easy answers.

You've got two choices in a troubled democracy. You give the devil the benefit of law for your own safety's sake. Or you meet the new boss, same as the old boss...if not worse. Terrifying as it may be, there's no third option.
Just to be clear on the level of concern, DOGE found that our government spent $4.7T without any documentary requirement that it was connected to an approved budget item…

I don't think you understand the severity of what we're dealing with here. We can't afford to move slow and the very people in charge of this are benefiting from it.

Who watches the watchmen? The likelihood that the "rule of law" or your preferred method to fix this is less than 1%. You're telling me to have faith in something that seeks to protect the status quo.
And speaking of documentary requirements, your documentation of this $4.7T discovery is…a post on X from a guy who's exempt from documenting his conflicts of interest or anything else.

The rule of law isn't a demand for blind faith. A little intellectual honesty goes a long way.
Oh so because you've been told that Musk is bad that he must be lying, even if he delivers receipts.

Wow
What receipts? Who knows?
Harrison Bergeron
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Sam Lowry said:

Married A Horn said:

Sam Lowry said:

Doc Holliday said:

Sam Lowry said:

Doc Holliday said:

Sam Lowry said:

Doc Holliday said:

Sam Lowry said:

ATL Bear said:

Don't get drunk on power like the Democrats. It leads to bad places.
Yep.
So we allow democrats to wield abusive power, like you're saying Trump is trying to do?

When it comes to Democrats, judges aren't challenging them. Can you tell me why that's the case?
No, not at all. Democrats lost on disqualification, student loans, and the vaccine mandate, just to name a few. The Mar-a-Lago raid wasn't challenged because it was clearly and obviously justified. I know y'all don't like hearing that, but there it is. The Bragg prosecution in NY was bogus, but that wasn't even a federal case.
Democrats are going to lose on this too because they're taking the position that how our tax dollars are spent shouldn't be transparent.

If you want to argue on abuse of power, that's fine…but let's get one thing straight: Democrats support things they can grift from.

You're over hear worried about Trump being a fascist yet you never say a damn thing about the position and logic that democrats operate on.

Can you answer why these judges want to prevent DOGE from auditing? To take that position is ridiculous.
That isn't their position.

So you're happy now! Transparency won, right?

Or maybe now you realize this was just a temporary restraining order and the real issues have yet to be decided.


Do us a favor and delete your account.
Trump supporters told us day after day, month after month, that there was no need to worry about tyranny. The court system would hold Trump accountable.

Now, to your absolute horror, you're learning that it might actually be true.

I'm so very sorry.
Do you realize "tyranny" does not mean "things I don't like?"

Do you realize transparency and reducing the size of government is the polar opposite of "tyranny?"
Harrison Bergeron
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Sam Lowry said:

Doc Holliday said:

Sam Lowry said:

Doc Holliday said:

Sam Lowry said:

Doc Holliday said:

Sam Lowry said:

Doc Holliday said:

Sam Lowry said:

Doc Holliday said:

Sam Lowry said:

ATL Bear said:

Don't get drunk on power like the Democrats. It leads to bad places.
Yep.
So we allow democrats to wield abusive power, like you're saying Trump is trying to do?

When it comes to Democrats, judges aren't challenging them. Can you tell me why that's the case?
No, not at all. Democrats lost on disqualification, student loans, and the vaccine mandate, just to name a few. The Mar-a-Lago raid wasn't challenged because it was clearly and obviously justified. I know y'all don't like hearing that, but there it is. The Bragg prosecution in NY was bogus, but that wasn't even a federal case.
Democrats are going to lose on this too because they're taking the position that how our tax dollars are spent shouldn't be transparent.

If you want to argue on abuse of power, that's fine…but let's get one thing straight: Democrats support things they can grift from.

You're over hear worried about Trump being a fascist yet you never say a damn thing about the position and logic that democrats operate on.

Can you answer why these judges want to prevent DOGE from auditing? To take that position is ridiculous.
That isn't their position.

So you're happy now! Transparency won, right?

Or maybe now you realize this was just a temporary restraining order and the real issues have yet to be decided.
What DOGE has already exposed should have politicians concerned and in a rush to uncover more…but we're not a serious country. They should be scrambling to provide as much support as possible for auditing the government after all the insane spending that's already been exposed and is just a small fraction in the grand scheme.

The message from the DC establishment is that there's nothing to see and that auditing how government spends money is fascism. Every MSM news outlet right now is trying to claim what they're doing is wrong and illegal…not a word about how our tax dollars are being used. Do you even question or ponder why they do that in lockstep with one another?

Do you honestly think we live in a world of checks and balances? Do you assume there's no fraud or corruption going on behind the scenes?

I think you don't want to concede that we're dealing with unprecedented corruption because a world where U.S. politicians/bureaucrats are corrupt is terrifying and unfathomable. Maybe you don't accept that this world is as evil as our God has already explained on countless occasions.
I understand all of those things as well as you do. I also understand that tyranny doesn't gestate in conditions of justice and moral integrity. History teaches that it's a consequence of the very decadence and depravity that are the source of your outrage. We become most zealous when we should be most cautious. We fear the disease so much that we reach blindly for any cure.

The defense against this trap is the rule of law. It's the commitment to due process even when it slows you down. Make no mistake, it slows your opponents down too. Evidence is not your enemy. But if you want transparency for USAID and not for DOGE, you don't want transparency...and you won't get it.

There's no magical cure for the debt. Do you really think the problem is just "fraud and waste?" You think Trump can solve it just by banishing all the people and programs that you happen not to like? There's a reason we as a country haven't found a solution yet --because it's hard. It requires tough choices and sacrifices. Demagogues offer easy answers.

You've got two choices in a troubled democracy. You give the devil the benefit of law for your own safety's sake. Or you meet the new boss, same as the old boss...if not worse. Terrifying as it may be, there's no third option.
Just to be clear on the level of concern, DOGE found that our government spent $4.7T without any documentary requirement that it was connected to an approved budget item…

I don't think you understand the severity of what we're dealing with here. We can't afford to move slow and the very people in charge of this are benefiting from it.

Who watches the watchmen? The likelihood that the "rule of law" or your preferred method to fix this is less than 1%. You're telling me to have faith in something that seeks to protect the status quo.
And speaking of documentary requirements, your documentation of this $4.7T discovery is…a post on X from a guy who's exempt from documenting his conflicts of interest or anything else.

The rule of law isn't a demand for blind faith. A little intellectual honesty goes a long way.
The Biden Crime Family? The Clinton Foundation? The Obama media deals?
Harrison Bergeron
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Constitutionally, the crisis is federal judges issuing nationwide rulings and TROs ... we do have a tyranny, but it is from unelected judges.
Sam Lowry
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Harrison Bergeron said:

Sam Lowry said:

Married A Horn said:

Sam Lowry said:

Doc Holliday said:

Sam Lowry said:

Doc Holliday said:

Sam Lowry said:

Doc Holliday said:

Sam Lowry said:

ATL Bear said:

Don't get drunk on power like the Democrats. It leads to bad places.
Yep.
So we allow democrats to wield abusive power, like you're saying Trump is trying to do?

When it comes to Democrats, judges aren't challenging them. Can you tell me why that's the case?
No, not at all. Democrats lost on disqualification, student loans, and the vaccine mandate, just to name a few. The Mar-a-Lago raid wasn't challenged because it was clearly and obviously justified. I know y'all don't like hearing that, but there it is. The Bragg prosecution in NY was bogus, but that wasn't even a federal case.
Democrats are going to lose on this too because they're taking the position that how our tax dollars are spent shouldn't be transparent.

If you want to argue on abuse of power, that's fine…but let's get one thing straight: Democrats support things they can grift from.

You're over hear worried about Trump being a fascist yet you never say a damn thing about the position and logic that democrats operate on.

Can you answer why these judges want to prevent DOGE from auditing? To take that position is ridiculous.
That isn't their position.

So you're happy now! Transparency won, right?

Or maybe now you realize this was just a temporary restraining order and the real issues have yet to be decided.


Do us a favor and delete your account.
Trump supporters told us day after day, month after month, that there was no need to worry about tyranny. The court system would hold Trump accountable.

Now, to your absolute horror, you're learning that it might actually be true.

I'm so very sorry.
Do you realize "tyranny" does not mean "things I don't like?"

Do you realize transparency and reducing the size of government is the polar opposite of "tyranny?"
Yes, but I don't think you do. I've explained that I like the audit in theory. The problem is that it's the opposite of transparent.
Sam Lowry
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Harrison Bergeron said:

Constitutionally, the crisis is federal judges issuing nationwide rulings and TROs ... we do have a tyranny, but it is from unelected judges.
This is why you bought into "stop the steal."
Oldbear83
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Sam Lowry said:

Harrison Bergeron said:

Sam Lowry said:

Married A Horn said:

Sam Lowry said:

Doc Holliday said:

Sam Lowry said:

Doc Holliday said:

Sam Lowry said:

Doc Holliday said:

Sam Lowry said:

ATL Bear said:

Don't get drunk on power like the Democrats. It leads to bad places.
Yep.
So we allow democrats to wield abusive power, like you're saying Trump is trying to do?

When it comes to Democrats, judges aren't challenging them. Can you tell me why that's the case?
No, not at all. Democrats lost on disqualification, student loans, and the vaccine mandate, just to name a few. The Mar-a-Lago raid wasn't challenged because it was clearly and obviously justified. I know y'all don't like hearing that, but there it is. The Bragg prosecution in NY was bogus, but that wasn't even a federal case.
Democrats are going to lose on this too because they're taking the position that how our tax dollars are spent shouldn't be transparent.

If you want to argue on abuse of power, that's fine…but let's get one thing straight: Democrats support things they can grift from.

You're over hear worried about Trump being a fascist yet you never say a damn thing about the position and logic that democrats operate on.

Can you answer why these judges want to prevent DOGE from auditing? To take that position is ridiculous.
That isn't their position.

So you're happy now! Transparency won, right?

Or maybe now you realize this was just a temporary restraining order and the real issues have yet to be decided.


Do us a favor and delete your account.
Trump supporters told us day after day, month after month, that there was no need to worry about tyranny. The court system would hold Trump accountable.

Now, to your absolute horror, you're learning that it might actually be true.

I'm so very sorry.
Do you realize "tyranny" does not mean "things I don't like?"

Do you realize transparency and reducing the size of government is the polar opposite of "tyranny?"
Yes, but I don't think you do. I've explained that I like the audit in theory. The problem is that it's the opposite of transparent.
LOL, Sam thinks trusting bureaucrats who have been hiding the fraud for years is the definition of "transparent", as opposed to public announcements of everything the audits find.
That which does not kill me, will try again and get nastier
Harrison Bergeron
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Sam Lowry said:

Harrison Bergeron said:

Constitutionally, the crisis is federal judges issuing nationwide rulings and TROs ... we do have a tyranny, but it is from unelected judges.
This is why you bought into "stop the steal."
Know, I never bought Clinton's hysteria about Trump stealing the 2016 election. Not surprising you did.
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