His lungs are having trouble shaking the pneumonia. There is a little fear among his doctors it could cause sepsis in the next few days which would be difficult for his already compromised immune system to beat.
Pope Francis in critical condition
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El Oso said:
His lungs are having trouble shaking the pneumonia. There is a little fear among his doctors it could cause sepsis in the next few days which would be difficult for his already compromised immune system to beat.
An antipope installed by the machine that invented Obama.
Prayers for his recovery but once he is called wherever he may go, given his actions to try to weaken God's church in earth, prayers for a better leader that walks in the Truth and ways of Jesus. Not what Pope Francis has attempted to invent in his time as leader
Time to clean out the infiltration
Praying for his recovery
(But probably time he retires…at some point age is an issue)
(But probably time he retires…at some point age is an issue)
If there is a new election (Pope Francis is incapacitated or retires)
Pope Francis has appointed a major of the college of cardinals
Pope Francis has appointed a major of the college of cardinals
Here is a realistic way of looking at the current voting members of the college or cardinals
— El Reconqristador ابو شربل 🇲🇽 (@crawlings13) February 22, 2025
🔴 Progressives (15)
🟡 Bergoglian/Francis pastoralists (53)
🟣 Peripheries (socially conservative, politically more progressive) (39)
🔵 Conservatives (25)
⚫️ Traditionalists (5) pic.twitter.com/vBayaZn3rT
Hope the Pope survives……and immediately retires
he requested a make a wish child
Cardinal Pizzaballa I am now familiar with your game and think you should be pope pic.twitter.com/toru7TQnQr
— holden m. accountable (@noahpasaran) February 22, 2025
He'd have to give up his day job as a menu item at Papa John's.Redbrickbear said:Cardinal Pizzaballa I am now familiar with your game and think you should be pope pic.twitter.com/toru7TQnQr
— holden m. accountable (@noahpasaran) February 22, 2025
what about pope musk???
as long as we're 'disrupting things'.
PA.
- UL
... and, as always, TIA.
{ sipping coffee }
{ eating donut }
as long as we're 'disrupting things'.
PA.
- UL
... and, as always, TIA.
{ sipping coffee }
{ eating donut }
Go Bears!
This Pope has pushed the anti-Christ agenda harder than anyone in recent memory.
Sad for him, but he's definitely going to burn in hell for promoting Satanic virtues in the name of Christ. No other option for him. He has damned himself to hell. Very sad. He was surrounded by the truth, but thoroughly rejected it.
You can pray for his recovery, but I will pray for his victims instead.
Sad for him, but he's definitely going to burn in hell for promoting Satanic virtues in the name of Christ. No other option for him. He has damned himself to hell. Very sad. He was surrounded by the truth, but thoroughly rejected it.
You can pray for his recovery, but I will pray for his victims instead.
I don't "know" he will burn in hell but it certainly seems that way. He is an evil fascist.
Only God knows who will be saved. Everyone without Jesus is already condemned.
Only God knows who will be saved. Everyone without Jesus is already condemned.
“Incline my heart to your testimonies, and not to selfish gain!”
Psalm 119:36
Psalm 119:36
ShooterTX said:
This Pope has pushed the anti-Christ agenda harder than anyone in recent memory.
Sad for him, but he's definitely going to burn in hell for promoting Satanic virtues in the name of Christ. No other option for him. He has damned himself to hell. Very sad. He was surrounded by the truth, but thoroughly rejected it.
You can pray for his recovery, but I will pray for his victims instead.
Interesting
I've never been able to anticipate God's judgement of others.
Possibly if I had gotten my doctorate……….
or $53 million in donations for a jetKaiBear said:ShooterTX said:
This Pope has pushed the anti-Christ agenda harder than anyone in recent memory.
Sad for him, but he's definitely going to burn in hell for promoting Satanic virtues in the name of Christ. No other option for him. He has damned himself to hell. Very sad. He was surrounded by the truth, but thoroughly rejected it.
You can pray for his recovery, but I will pray for his victims instead.
Interesting
I've never been able to anticipate God's judgement of others.
Possibly if I had gotten my doctorate……….
Does owning a jet provide a pipeline to God's judgment of others ?LIB,MR BEARS said:or $53 million in donations for a jetKaiBear said:ShooterTX said:
This Pope has pushed the anti-Christ agenda harder than anyone in recent memory.
Sad for him, but he's definitely going to burn in hell for promoting Satanic virtues in the name of Christ. No other option for him. He has damned himself to hell. Very sad. He was surrounded by the truth, but thoroughly rejected it.
You can pray for his recovery, but I will pray for his victims instead.
Interesting
I've never been able to anticipate God's judgement of others.
Possibly if I had gotten my doctorate……….
The only way to truly get "nearer to thee..." is by cruising at 600knots around 32,000ft.KaiBear said:Does owning a jet provide a pipeline to God's judgment of others ?LIB,MR BEARS said:or $53 million in donations for a jetKaiBear said:ShooterTX said:
This Pope has pushed the anti-Christ agenda harder than anyone in recent memory.
Sad for him, but he's definitely going to burn in hell for promoting Satanic virtues in the name of Christ. No other option for him. He has damned himself to hell. Very sad. He was surrounded by the truth, but thoroughly rejected it.
You can pray for his recovery, but I will pray for his victims instead.
Interesting
I've never been able to anticipate God's judgement of others.
Possibly if I had gotten my doctorate……….
Our vibrations were getting nasty. But why? I was puzzled, frustrated... Had we deteriorated to the level of dumb beasts?
KaiBear said:ShooterTX said:
This Pope has pushed the anti-Christ agenda harder than anyone in recent memory.
Sad for him, but he's definitely going to burn in hell for promoting Satanic virtues in the name of Christ. No other option for him. He has damned himself to hell. Very sad. He was surrounded by the truth, but thoroughly rejected it.
You can pray for his recovery, but I will pray for his victims instead.
Interesting
I've never been able to anticipate God's judgement of others.
Possibly if I had gotten my doctorate……….
There are many parts of the Bible that are very clear about what is a sin. Homosexual acts are very clearly sinful. It is a blasphemy to claim that people who proudly engage in sinful acts, can be leaders in the church. This Pope has engaged in multiple acts of blasphemy, while also claiming to be the highest church authority on the planet. More than that, he claims to actually speak for God Himself.
It's very sad but there is no other result for someone who promotes Satanic teachings for years and years, while claiming to be the voice of God.
No fan of this particualr Pope.ShooterTX said:KaiBear said:ShooterTX said:
This Pope has pushed the anti-Christ agenda harder than anyone in recent memory.
Sad for him, but he's definitely going to burn in hell for promoting Satanic virtues in the name of Christ. No other option for him. He has damned himself to hell. Very sad. He was surrounded by the truth, but thoroughly rejected it.
You can pray for his recovery, but I will pray for his victims instead.
Interesting
I've never been able to anticipate God's judgement of others.
Possibly if I had gotten my doctorate……….
There are many parts of the Bible that are very clear about what is a sin. Homosexual acts are very clearly sinful. It is a blasphemy to claim that people who proudly engage in sinful acts, can be leaders in the church. This Pope has engaged in multiple acts of blasphemy, while also claiming to be the highest church authority on the planet. More than that, he claims to actually speak for God Himself.
It's very sad but there is no other result for someone who promotes Satanic teachings for years and years, while claiming to be the voice of God.
But other than being the Pope......what has he specifically done that has you so 100% positive the old fella is going to rot in hell forever.
No subjective generalities........ if you don't mind.
Fre3dombear said:El Oso said:
His lungs are having trouble shaking the pneumonia. There is a little fear among his doctors it could cause sepsis in the next few days which would be difficult for his already compromised immune system to beat.
An antipope installed by the machine that invented Obama.
Prayers for his recovery but once he is called wherever he may go, given his actions to try to weaken God's church in earth, prayers for a better leader that walks in the Truth and ways of Jesus. Not what Pope Francis has attempted to invent in his time as leader
Time to clean out the infiltration
Weaken? He has worked hard to give the divorced a path in the church and stressed that no one is beyond redemption. Coming from South America, I think environmental has a different importance. He is not Ratzinger for sure (closer to JP2), but he opened some lines of discussion that needed to be addressed. I am not sure will burn in hell and destroyed the Church is accurate.
Funny coming from the Baylor crowd. Based on my time at Baylor, seems Catholics are all going to hell according to the SBC...
FLBear5630 said:Fre3dombear said:El Oso said:
His lungs are having trouble shaking the pneumonia. There is a little fear among his doctors it could cause sepsis in the next few days which would be difficult for his already compromised immune system to beat.
An antipope installed by the machine that invented Obama.
Prayers for his recovery but once he is called wherever he may go, given his actions to try to weaken God's church in earth, prayers for a better leader that walks in the Truth and ways of Jesus. Not what Pope Francis has attempted to invent in his time as leader
Time to clean out the infiltration
Weaken? He has worked hard to give the divorced a path in the church and stressed that no one is beyond redemption. Coming from South America, I think environmental has a different importance. He is not Ratzinger for sure (closer to JP2), but he opened some lines of discussion that needed to be addressed. I am not sure will burn in hell and destroyed the Church is accurate.
Funny coming from the Baylor crowd. Based on my time at Baylor, seems Catholics are all going to hell according to the SBC...
The RCC is responsible for the same number of souls in heaven as is the SBC; 0.
It is the work of the Holy Spirit, the work of The Savior Jesus Christ, and the work of the Heavenly Father who gave His son. A pope, a priest, a pastor, a youth minister, and a Christian co-worker are all tools/instruments used by God…. just like Balaam's ass.
FLBear5630 said:Fre3dombear said:El Oso said:
His lungs are having trouble shaking the pneumonia. There is a little fear among his doctors it could cause sepsis in the next few days which would be difficult for his already compromised immune system to beat.
An antipope installed by the machine that invented Obama.
Prayers for his recovery but once he is called wherever he may go, given his actions to try to weaken God's church in earth, prayers for a better leader that walks in the Truth and ways of Jesus. Not what Pope Francis has attempted to invent in his time as leader
Time to clean out the infiltration
Weaken? He has worked hard to give the divorced a path in the church and stressed that no one is beyond redemption. Coming from South America, I think environmental has a different importance. He is not Ratzinger for sure (closer to JP2), but he opened some lines of discussion that needed to be addressed. I am not sure will burn in hell and destroyed the Church is accurate.
Funny coming from the Baylor crowd. Based on my time at Baylor, seems Catholics are all going to hell according to the SBC...
I have never heard that even 1 time. I do not like this pope though. He seems to wanna preach politics and not the bible.
ScottS said:FLBear5630 said:Fre3dombear said:El Oso said:
His lungs are having trouble shaking the pneumonia. There is a little fear among his doctors it could cause sepsis in the next few days which would be difficult for his already compromised immune system to beat.
An antipope installed by the machine that invented Obama.
Prayers for his recovery but once he is called wherever he may go, given his actions to try to weaken God's church in earth, prayers for a better leader that walks in the Truth and ways of Jesus. Not what Pope Francis has attempted to invent in his time as leader
Time to clean out the infiltration
Weaken? He has worked hard to give the divorced a path in the church and stressed that no one is beyond redemption. Coming from South America, I think environmental has a different importance. He is not Ratzinger for sure (closer to JP2), but he opened some lines of discussion that needed to be addressed. I am not sure will burn in hell and destroyed the Church is accurate.
Funny coming from the Baylor crowd. Based on my time at Baylor, seems Catholics are all going to hell according to the SBC...
I have never heard that even 1 time. I do not like this pope though. He seems to wanna preach politics and not the bible.
Not to like the guy is fine.
I don't like him either.
But to pretend one can claim the ability to anticipate God's eternal judgment of someone else reeks of pride.
I attended back in the 90's. I would say my discussions were that Catholics were ok as far as those that were going to hell go. : )ScottS said:FLBear5630 said:Fre3dombear said:El Oso said:
His lungs are having trouble shaking the pneumonia. There is a little fear among his doctors it could cause sepsis in the next few days which would be difficult for his already compromised immune system to beat.
An antipope installed by the machine that invented Obama.
Prayers for his recovery but once he is called wherever he may go, given his actions to try to weaken God's church in earth, prayers for a better leader that walks in the Truth and ways of Jesus. Not what Pope Francis has attempted to invent in his time as leader
Time to clean out the infiltration
Weaken? He has worked hard to give the divorced a path in the church and stressed that no one is beyond redemption. Coming from South America, I think environmental has a different importance. He is not Ratzinger for sure (closer to JP2), but he opened some lines of discussion that needed to be addressed. I am not sure will burn in hell and destroyed the Church is accurate.
Funny coming from the Baylor crowd. Based on my time at Baylor, seems Catholics are all going to hell according to the SBC...
I have never heard that even 1 time. I do not like this pope though. He seems to wanna preach politics and not the bible.
Although, I will say Baylor was much more tolerant than my wife's Wisconsin Synod Lutheran! They were rough... A mixed Catholic/Protestant marriage where both sides are practicing makes for interesting holiday dinner discussions. I just got my Brother in Law an indulgence just to piss him off after his last "joking rant". So, I have been in this discussion for decades!
As for Francis. Yeah, I get that. I am not a huge fan of his positions, although I understand them. For example, I do agree with him on some items, such as the sacraments are healing and needed by those in sin. Never got the communion was only if you were in a State of grace. I agree with Francis on his position that communion is most needed by those that have fallen.
As for politics, he is Jesuit. It is in their DNA... Daughter graduated from BC, loved talking to those guys. If you want a challenging discussion on religious philosophy I would highly recommend BC or any of the Jesuit Universities. They will have you really having to defend your believes, not just accept what you were told.
Great movie on this "Two Popes". Free on Netflix, very worth watching if you are interested in Francis and Benedict.
Get Well Soon, Pope Francis!
- el KKM
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- el KKM
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Go Bears!
Hopefully he finds Jesus before the end.
Why don't you like him? Seems a good dude.KaiBear said:ScottS said:FLBear5630 said:Fre3dombear said:El Oso said:
His lungs are having trouble shaking the pneumonia. There is a little fear among his doctors it could cause sepsis in the next few days which would be difficult for his already compromised immune system to beat.
An antipope installed by the machine that invented Obama.
Prayers for his recovery but once he is called wherever he may go, given his actions to try to weaken God's church in earth, prayers for a better leader that walks in the Truth and ways of Jesus. Not what Pope Francis has attempted to invent in his time as leader
Time to clean out the infiltration
Weaken? He has worked hard to give the divorced a path in the church and stressed that no one is beyond redemption. Coming from South America, I think environmental has a different importance. He is not Ratzinger for sure (closer to JP2), but he opened some lines of discussion that needed to be addressed. I am not sure will burn in hell and destroyed the Church is accurate.
Funny coming from the Baylor crowd. Based on my time at Baylor, seems Catholics are all going to hell according to the SBC...
I have never heard that even 1 time. I do not like this pope though. He seems to wanna preach politics and not the bible.
Not to like the guy is fine.
I don't like him either.
But to pretend one can claim the ability to anticipate God's eternal judgment of someone else reeks of pride.
Gunter gleiben glauchen globen
Far too woke to be a reasonable leader of the Cathoilic Church.fubar said:Why don't you like him? Seems a good dude.KaiBear said:ScottS said:FLBear5630 said:Fre3dombear said:El Oso said:
His lungs are having trouble shaking the pneumonia. There is a little fear among his doctors it could cause sepsis in the next few days which would be difficult for his already compromised immune system to beat.
An antipope installed by the machine that invented Obama.
Prayers for his recovery but once he is called wherever he may go, given his actions to try to weaken God's church in earth, prayers for a better leader that walks in the Truth and ways of Jesus. Not what Pope Francis has attempted to invent in his time as leader
Time to clean out the infiltration
Weaken? He has worked hard to give the divorced a path in the church and stressed that no one is beyond redemption. Coming from South America, I think environmental has a different importance. He is not Ratzinger for sure (closer to JP2), but he opened some lines of discussion that needed to be addressed. I am not sure will burn in hell and destroyed the Church is accurate.
Funny coming from the Baylor crowd. Based on my time at Baylor, seems Catholics are all going to hell according to the SBC...
I have never heard that even 1 time. I do not like this pope though. He seems to wanna preach politics and not the bible.
Not to like the guy is fine.
I don't like him either.
But to pretend one can claim the ability to anticipate God's eternal judgment of someone else reeks of pride.
John Paul II was far better.
ShooterTX said:
This Pope has pushed the anti-Christ agenda harder than anyone in recent memory.
Sad for him, but he's definitely going to burn in hell for promoting Satanic virtues in the name of Christ. No other option for him. He has damned himself to hell. Very sad. He was surrounded by the truth, but thoroughly rejected it.
You can pray for his recovery, but I will pray for his victims instead.
Jesus said to live our enemies. We must pray that God's will be done and that Pope Francis is blessed wirh a full recovery.
FLBear5630 said:Fre3dombear said:El Oso said:
His lungs are having trouble shaking the pneumonia. There is a little fear among his doctors it could cause sepsis in the next few days which would be difficult for his already compromised immune system to beat.
An antipope installed by the machine that invented Obama.
Prayers for his recovery but once he is called wherever he may go, given his actions to try to weaken God's church in earth, prayers for a better leader that walks in the Truth and ways of Jesus. Not what Pope Francis has attempted to invent in his time as leader
Time to clean out the infiltration
Weaken? He has worked hard to give the divorced a path in the church and stressed that no one is beyond redemption. Coming from South America, I think environmental has a different importance. He is not Ratzinger for sure (closer to JP2), but he opened some lines of discussion that needed to be addressed. I am not sure will burn in hell and destroyed the Church is accurate.
Funny coming from the Baylor crowd. Based on my time at Baylor, seems Catholics are all going to hell according to the SBC...
I have no idea where God will send Pope Francis when he calls him now or in 20 years. I leave that to God
Francis is closer to PJP2 than Benedict? We'd disagree there.
No one is beyond redemption. This is true. Maybe you're saying you agree with that? If not, let's discuss further.
That said, there's a long list of things this pope has said and done and examples he have provided that have weakened the faith and confused the laeity.
We can discuss them if any interest. Maybe deserves its own thread.
Fre3dombear said:FLBear5630 said:Fre3dombear said:El Oso said:
His lungs are having trouble shaking the pneumonia. There is a little fear among his doctors it could cause sepsis in the next few days which would be difficult for his already compromised immune system to beat.
An antipope installed by the machine that invented Obama.
Prayers for his recovery but once he is called wherever he may go, given his actions to try to weaken God's church in earth, prayers for a better leader that walks in the Truth and ways of Jesus. Not what Pope Francis has attempted to invent in his time as leader
Time to clean out the infiltration
Weaken? He has worked hard to give the divorced a path in the church and stressed that no one is beyond redemption. Coming from South America, I think environmental has a different importance. He is not Ratzinger for sure (closer to JP2), but he opened some lines of discussion that needed to be addressed. I am not sure will burn in hell and destroyed the Church is accurate.
Funny coming from the Baylor crowd. Based on my time at Baylor, seems Catholics are all going to hell according to the SBC...
I have no idea where God will send Pope Francis when he calls him now or in 20 years. I leave that to God
Francis is closer to PJP2 than Benedict? We'd disagree there.
No one is beyond redemption. This is true. Maybe you're saying you agree with that? If not, let's discuss further.
That said, there's a long list of things this pope has said and done and examples he have provided that have weakened the faith and confused the laeity.
We can discuss them if any interest. Maybe deserves its own thread.
Agree with that. Own thread.
Weakened the faith, that is an issue for the faithful. This Pope has brought many issues traditionally swept aside or kept in the closet out in the light. Like the issues or not, they need to be discussed openly, not act like they don't exist or they are the "Devil"!
JP2 has his own warts, just a better publicist... Francis has dealt with the issues of the day head on, like JP2, but more transparent. JP2 failed many innocent people. Ratzinger was an honest academic and never claimed to be more.
Fre3dombear said:ShooterTX said:
This Pope has pushed the anti-Christ agenda harder than anyone in recent memory.
Sad for him, but he's definitely going to burn in hell for promoting Satanic virtues in the name of Christ. No other option for him. He has damned himself to hell. Very sad. He was surrounded by the truth, but thoroughly rejected it.
You can pray for his recovery, but I will pray for his victims instead.
Jesus said to live our enemies. We must pray that God's will be done and that Pope Francis is blessed wirh a full recovery.
It's interesting. So many people seem to think that I hate the man. I do not hate him. I'm very sad for him that he has rejected the truth.
Obviously, he has read the Bible and been exposed to the truth. He even claims to believe that Jesus is the Son of God, but he just refuses to follow the teaching of Christ & the Bible.
James 2:19 NIV
[19] You believe that there is one God. Good! Even the demons believe thatand shudder.
Here we see that just believing the truth isn't enough. Throughout the book of James we see that we must obey the teachings of Christ so that our deeds are evidence of our faith.
James doesn't even bother to address the ones who are teaching and acting in ways that contradict the Biblical teachings about sin. He is talking about those who believe the truth but don't engage in good deeds.
This Pope has engaged in promoting lies and contradiction to the Bible. It is a blasphemy to teach that what God calls an abomination is just "love".
There is no way that the Pope is ignorant on all the passage that teach about the sins of homosexuality & sexual immorality. He is willfully engaging as a false teacher.
You cannot claim the title of "most holy father" while also teaching anti-Biblical garbage... and expect to escape from Hell.
If you are going to disparage the man, at least get it right.ShooterTX said:Fre3dombear said:ShooterTX said:
This Pope has pushed the anti-Christ agenda harder than anyone in recent memory.
Sad for him, but he's definitely going to burn in hell for promoting Satanic virtues in the name of Christ. No other option for him. He has damned himself to hell. Very sad. He was surrounded by the truth, but thoroughly rejected it.
You can pray for his recovery, but I will pray for his victims instead.
Jesus said to live our enemies. We must pray that God's will be done and that Pope Francis is blessed wirh a full recovery.
It's interesting. So many people seem to think that I hate the man. I do not hate him. I'm very sad for him that he has rejected the truth.
Obviously, he has read the Bible and been exposed to the truth. He even claims to believe that Jesus is the Son of God, but he just refuses to follow the teaching of Christ & the Bible.
James 2:19 NIV
[19] You believe that there is one God. Good! Even the demons believe thatand shudder.
Here we see that just believing the truth isn't enough. Throughout the book of James we see that we must obey the teachings of Christ so that our deeds are evidence of our faith.
James doesn't even bother to address the ones who are teaching and acting in ways that contradict the Biblical teachings about sin. He is talking about those who believe the truth but don't engage in good deeds.
This Pope has engaged in promoting lies and contradiction to the Bible. It is a blasphemy to teach that what God calls an abomination is just "love".
There is no way that the Pope is ignorant on all the passage that teach about the sins of homosexuality & sexual immorality. He is willfully engaging as a false teacher.
You cannot claim the title of "most holy father" while also teaching anti-Biblical garbage... and expect to escape from Hell.
He said Homosexuality is not a crime. It is a sin, as is all sexual acts outside of marriage. The act is a sin, always has been.
Just because he doesn't agree with throwing them in jail or ostracizing them doesn't mean he condones homosexual behavior.
So, in your Church do they repent and convert from homosexuality during or after the stoning?
FLBear5630 said:If you are going to disparage the man, at least get it right.ShooterTX said:Fre3dombear said:ShooterTX said:
This Pope has pushed the anti-Christ agenda harder than anyone in recent memory.
Sad for him, but he's definitely going to burn in hell for promoting Satanic virtues in the name of Christ. No other option for him. He has damned himself to hell. Very sad. He was surrounded by the truth, but thoroughly rejected it.
You can pray for his recovery, but I will pray for his victims instead.
Jesus said to live our enemies. We must pray that God's will be done and that Pope Francis is blessed wirh a full recovery.
It's interesting. So many people seem to think that I hate the man. I do not hate him. I'm very sad for him that he has rejected the truth.
Obviously, he has read the Bible and been exposed to the truth. He even claims to believe that Jesus is the Son of God, but he just refuses to follow the teaching of Christ & the Bible.
James 2:19 NIV
[19] You believe that there is one God. Good! Even the demons believe thatand shudder.
Here we see that just believing the truth isn't enough. Throughout the book of James we see that we must obey the teachings of Christ so that our deeds are evidence of our faith.
James doesn't even bother to address the ones who are teaching and acting in ways that contradict the Biblical teachings about sin. He is talking about those who believe the truth but don't engage in good deeds.
This Pope has engaged in promoting lies and contradiction to the Bible. It is a blasphemy to teach that what God calls an abomination is just "love".
There is no way that the Pope is ignorant on all the passage that teach about the sins of homosexuality & sexual immorality. He is willfully engaging as a false teacher.
You cannot claim the title of "most holy father" while also teaching anti-Biblical garbage... and expect to escape from Hell.
He said Homosexuality is not a crime. It is a sin, as is all sexual acts outside of marriage. The act is a sin, always has been.
Just because he doesn't agree with throwing them in jail or ostracizing them doesn't mean he condones homosexual behavior.
So, in your Church do they repent and convert from homosexuality during or after the stoning?
The pope is a good politician.
He has done his best to avoid direct, word-for-word contradiction of the catholic doctrine... but his actions speak much louder.
He has authorized the official blessing of same sex union ceremonies by catholic priests. He also has allowed openly gay priests.
To say that he still views homosexuality as a sin, is just a joke. No Pope would ever allow someone to proudly display their sinful lifestyle while in the priesthood. It is one thing to struggle with sinful temptations, and quite another to be proud of it and take part in "pride marches".
His actions have made it clear that he doesn't see homosexual actions as an abomination or a sin at all. And the whole LGBTQ world has received that message with rejoicing.
Just as it says it James... people can say they believe in something, but that doesn't matter as much as how they act on those beliefs. This Pope has proven himself to be a false teacher based upon his actions. False teachers are damned to pretty horrible judgements. II Peter 2 makes it clear that "they will secretly introduce destructive heresies".
He goes on:
2 Peter 2:4-9 NIV
[4] For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but sent them to hell, putting them in chains of darkness to be held for judgment; [5] if he did not spare the ancient world when he brought the flood on its ungodly people, but protected Noah, a preacher of righteousness, and seven others; [6] if he condemned the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah by burning them to ashes, and made them an example of what is going to happen to the ungodly; [7] and if he rescued Lot, a righteous man, who was distressed by the depraved conduct of the lawless [8] (for that righteous man, living among them day after day, was tormented in his righteous soul by the lawless deeds he saw and heard) [9] if this is so, then the Lord knows how to rescue the godly from trials and to hold the unrighteous for punishment on the day of judgment.
This Pope is not like Lot. He is not distressed by the depraved conduct, but has instead tried to find a way to compromise his beliefs so he can accept their lawless deeds.
It's really sad, but he has damned himself to judgement & hell.
I have many catholic and formerly catholic friends. They all agree that this Pope is the most ungodly Pope of their lifetimes. None of them are happy to admit it, and neither am I. It's sad to see someone who claims to be the Vicar of Christ, teach such ungodly things.
In case you are not familiar, a Vicar is one who stands in the place for an absent higher authority within the church. It literally translates to mean that the Pope is the one taking the place of Christ, because Christ is not on the earth right now.
I will continue to pray for those he has lead astray. I wish his blasphemy could have ended through repentance, but I will be glad for it to end however God sees fit to end it.
I think you are confusing somebody asking for a blessing and "blessing" the union. The logic being Jesus, nor God, turn away anyone asking for help or in a sinful situation. Not allowing them to be involved is not a good way to effect change. The emphasis is on helping the person, not the union which has been Francis's position as Pontiff. To help people be closer to God, not get caught up in vocabulary. But, there are a lot of vocabulary people out there and would rather exclude than minister.ShooterTX said:FLBear5630 said:If you are going to disparage the man, at least get it right.ShooterTX said:Fre3dombear said:ShooterTX said:
This Pope has pushed the anti-Christ agenda harder than anyone in recent memory.
Sad for him, but he's definitely going to burn in hell for promoting Satanic virtues in the name of Christ. No other option for him. He has damned himself to hell. Very sad. He was surrounded by the truth, but thoroughly rejected it.
You can pray for his recovery, but I will pray for his victims instead.
Jesus said to live our enemies. We must pray that God's will be done and that Pope Francis is blessed wirh a full recovery.
It's interesting. So many people seem to think that I hate the man. I do not hate him. I'm very sad for him that he has rejected the truth.
Obviously, he has read the Bible and been exposed to the truth. He even claims to believe that Jesus is the Son of God, but he just refuses to follow the teaching of Christ & the Bible.
James 2:19 NIV
[19] You believe that there is one God. Good! Even the demons believe thatand shudder.
Here we see that just believing the truth isn't enough. Throughout the book of James we see that we must obey the teachings of Christ so that our deeds are evidence of our faith.
James doesn't even bother to address the ones who are teaching and acting in ways that contradict the Biblical teachings about sin. He is talking about those who believe the truth but don't engage in good deeds.
This Pope has engaged in promoting lies and contradiction to the Bible. It is a blasphemy to teach that what God calls an abomination is just "love".
There is no way that the Pope is ignorant on all the passage that teach about the sins of homosexuality & sexual immorality. He is willfully engaging as a false teacher.
You cannot claim the title of "most holy father" while also teaching anti-Biblical garbage... and expect to escape from Hell.
He said Homosexuality is not a crime. It is a sin, as is all sexual acts outside of marriage. The act is a sin, always has been.
Just because he doesn't agree with throwing them in jail or ostracizing them doesn't mean he condones homosexual behavior.
So, in your Church do they repent and convert from homosexuality during or after the stoning?
The pope is a good politician.
He has done his best to avoid direct, word-for-word contradiction of the catholic doctrine... but his actions speak much louder.
He has authorized the official blessing of same sex union ceremonies by catholic priests. He also has allowed openly gay priests.
To say that he still views homosexuality as a sin, is just a joke. No Pope would ever allow someone to proudly display their sinful lifestyle while in the priesthood. It is one thing to struggle with sinful temptations, and quite another to be proud of it and take part in "pride marches".
His actions have made it clear that he doesn't see homosexual actions as an abomination or a sin at all. And the whole LGBTQ world has received that message with rejoicing.
Just as it says it James... people can say they believe in something, but that doesn't matter as much as how they act on those beliefs. This Pope has proven himself to be a false teacher based upon his actions. False teachers are damned to pretty horrible judgements. II Peter 2 makes it clear that "they will secretly introduce destructive heresies".
He goes on:
2 Peter 2:4-9 NIV
[4] For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but sent them to hell, putting them in chains of darkness to be held for judgment; [5] if he did not spare the ancient world when he brought the flood on its ungodly people, but protected Noah, a preacher of righteousness, and seven others; [6] if he condemned the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah by burning them to ashes, and made them an example of what is going to happen to the ungodly; [7] and if he rescued Lot, a righteous man, who was distressed by the depraved conduct of the lawless [8] (for that righteous man, living among them day after day, was tormented in his righteous soul by the lawless deeds he saw and heard) [9] if this is so, then the Lord knows how to rescue the godly from trials and to hold the unrighteous for punishment on the day of judgment.
This Pope is not like Lot. He is not distressed by the depraved conduct, but has instead tried to find a way to compromise his beliefs so he can accept their lawless deeds.
It's really sad, but he has damned himself to judgement & hell.
I have many catholic and formerly catholic friends. They all agree that this Pope is the most ungodly Pope of their lifetimes. None of them are happy to admit it, and neither am I. It's sad to see someone who claims to be the Vicar of Christ, teach such ungodly things.
In case you are not familiar, a Vicar is one who stands in the place for an absent higher authority within the church. It literally translates to mean that the Pope is the one taking the place of Christ, because Christ is not on the earth right now.
I will continue to pray for those he has lead astray. I wish his blasphemy could have ended through repentance, but I will be glad for it to end however God sees fit to end it.
I get it, my Dad thinks it goes too far. It will probably be walked back under the next Pontiff, that is how these things go. But, I am more Jesuit and my Dad is more Redemptorist.
FLBear5630 said:I think you are confusing somebody asking for a blessing and "blessing" the union. The logic being Jesus, nor God, turn away anyone asking for help or in a sinful situation. Not allowing them to be involved is not a good way to effect change. The emphasis is on helping the person, not the union which has been Francis's position as Pontiff. To help people be closer to God, not get caught up in vocabulary. But, there are a lot of vocabulary people out there and would rather exclude than minister.ShooterTX said:FLBear5630 said:If you are going to disparage the man, at least get it right.ShooterTX said:Fre3dombear said:ShooterTX said:
This Pope has pushed the anti-Christ agenda harder than anyone in recent memory.
Sad for him, but he's definitely going to burn in hell for promoting Satanic virtues in the name of Christ. No other option for him. He has damned himself to hell. Very sad. He was surrounded by the truth, but thoroughly rejected it.
You can pray for his recovery, but I will pray for his victims instead.
Jesus said to live our enemies. We must pray that God's will be done and that Pope Francis is blessed wirh a full recovery.
It's interesting. So many people seem to think that I hate the man. I do not hate him. I'm very sad for him that he has rejected the truth.
Obviously, he has read the Bible and been exposed to the truth. He even claims to believe that Jesus is the Son of God, but he just refuses to follow the teaching of Christ & the Bible.
James 2:19 NIV
[19] You believe that there is one God. Good! Even the demons believe thatand shudder.
Here we see that just believing the truth isn't enough. Throughout the book of James we see that we must obey the teachings of Christ so that our deeds are evidence of our faith.
James doesn't even bother to address the ones who are teaching and acting in ways that contradict the Biblical teachings about sin. He is talking about those who believe the truth but don't engage in good deeds.
This Pope has engaged in promoting lies and contradiction to the Bible. It is a blasphemy to teach that what God calls an abomination is just "love".
There is no way that the Pope is ignorant on all the passage that teach about the sins of homosexuality & sexual immorality. He is willfully engaging as a false teacher.
You cannot claim the title of "most holy father" while also teaching anti-Biblical garbage... and expect to escape from Hell.
He said Homosexuality is not a crime. It is a sin, as is all sexual acts outside of marriage. The act is a sin, always has been.
Just because he doesn't agree with throwing them in jail or ostracizing them doesn't mean he condones homosexual behavior.
So, in your Church do they repent and convert from homosexuality during or after the stoning?
The pope is a good politician.
He has done his best to avoid direct, word-for-word contradiction of the catholic doctrine... but his actions speak much louder.
He has authorized the official blessing of same sex union ceremonies by catholic priests. He also has allowed openly gay priests.
To say that he still views homosexuality as a sin, is just a joke. No Pope would ever allow someone to proudly display their sinful lifestyle while in the priesthood. It is one thing to struggle with sinful temptations, and quite another to be proud of it and take part in "pride marches".
His actions have made it clear that he doesn't see homosexual actions as an abomination or a sin at all. And the whole LGBTQ world has received that message with rejoicing.
Just as it says it James... people can say they believe in something, but that doesn't matter as much as how they act on those beliefs. This Pope has proven himself to be a false teacher based upon his actions. False teachers are damned to pretty horrible judgements. II Peter 2 makes it clear that "they will secretly introduce destructive heresies".
He goes on:
2 Peter 2:4-9 NIV
[4] For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but sent them to hell, putting them in chains of darkness to be held for judgment; [5] if he did not spare the ancient world when he brought the flood on its ungodly people, but protected Noah, a preacher of righteousness, and seven others; [6] if he condemned the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah by burning them to ashes, and made them an example of what is going to happen to the ungodly; [7] and if he rescued Lot, a righteous man, who was distressed by the depraved conduct of the lawless [8] (for that righteous man, living among them day after day, was tormented in his righteous soul by the lawless deeds he saw and heard) [9] if this is so, then the Lord knows how to rescue the godly from trials and to hold the unrighteous for punishment on the day of judgment.
This Pope is not like Lot. He is not distressed by the depraved conduct, but has instead tried to find a way to compromise his beliefs so he can accept their lawless deeds.
It's really sad, but he has damned himself to judgement & hell.
I have many catholic and formerly catholic friends. They all agree that this Pope is the most ungodly Pope of their lifetimes. None of them are happy to admit it, and neither am I. It's sad to see someone who claims to be the Vicar of Christ, teach such ungodly things.
In case you are not familiar, a Vicar is one who stands in the place for an absent higher authority within the church. It literally translates to mean that the Pope is the one taking the place of Christ, because Christ is not on the earth right now.
I will continue to pray for those he has lead astray. I wish his blasphemy could have ended through repentance, but I will be glad for it to end however God sees fit to end it.
I get it, my Dad thinks it goes too far. It will probably be walked back under the next Pontiff, that is how these things go. But, I am more Jesuit and my Dad is more Redemptorist.
Riiiiiight....
Give me one example of Jesus or the apostles giving their blessing to an obviously sinful lifestyle.
Spoiler alert... it never happened.
You don't need to give a blessing over a commitment to engage in sin, in order to reach those in need.
You don't bless a drunkards commitment to a life long bender, in order to try and set him free from alcoholism.
It's obvious that this Pope clearly doesn't believe that homosexual acts are sinful. If he truly believed what the Bible says, he would take a far different approach.
He would try his best to set people free from sin, not bless their commitment to it.
I could discuss his views on asking for a blessing and working within the Church are steps to solving their problem. Or, that using your logic NO ONE would ever qualify for a blessing as we are all sinful, you just happen to not like this particular sin. You would prefer it back in the closet. Or, you could say you can't fix it if you don't know what's broke. Getting the issue in the light will help without destroying people.ShooterTX said:FLBear5630 said:I think you are confusing somebody asking for a blessing and "blessing" the union. The logic being Jesus, nor God, turn away anyone asking for help or in a sinful situation. Not allowing them to be involved is not a good way to effect change. The emphasis is on helping the person, not the union which has been Francis's position as Pontiff. To help people be closer to God, not get caught up in vocabulary. But, there are a lot of vocabulary people out there and would rather exclude than minister.ShooterTX said:FLBear5630 said:If you are going to disparage the man, at least get it right.ShooterTX said:Fre3dombear said:ShooterTX said:
This Pope has pushed the anti-Christ agenda harder than anyone in recent memory.
Sad for him, but he's definitely going to burn in hell for promoting Satanic virtues in the name of Christ. No other option for him. He has damned himself to hell. Very sad. He was surrounded by the truth, but thoroughly rejected it.
You can pray for his recovery, but I will pray for his victims instead.
Jesus said to live our enemies. We must pray that God's will be done and that Pope Francis is blessed wirh a full recovery.
It's interesting. So many people seem to think that I hate the man. I do not hate him. I'm very sad for him that he has rejected the truth.
Obviously, he has read the Bible and been exposed to the truth. He even claims to believe that Jesus is the Son of God, but he just refuses to follow the teaching of Christ & the Bible.
James 2:19 NIV
[19] You believe that there is one God. Good! Even the demons believe thatand shudder.
Here we see that just believing the truth isn't enough. Throughout the book of James we see that we must obey the teachings of Christ so that our deeds are evidence of our faith.
James doesn't even bother to address the ones who are teaching and acting in ways that contradict the Biblical teachings about sin. He is talking about those who believe the truth but don't engage in good deeds.
This Pope has engaged in promoting lies and contradiction to the Bible. It is a blasphemy to teach that what God calls an abomination is just "love".
There is no way that the Pope is ignorant on all the passage that teach about the sins of homosexuality & sexual immorality. He is willfully engaging as a false teacher.
You cannot claim the title of "most holy father" while also teaching anti-Biblical garbage... and expect to escape from Hell.
He said Homosexuality is not a crime. It is a sin, as is all sexual acts outside of marriage. The act is a sin, always has been.
Just because he doesn't agree with throwing them in jail or ostracizing them doesn't mean he condones homosexual behavior.
So, in your Church do they repent and convert from homosexuality during or after the stoning?
The pope is a good politician.
He has done his best to avoid direct, word-for-word contradiction of the catholic doctrine... but his actions speak much louder.
He has authorized the official blessing of same sex union ceremonies by catholic priests. He also has allowed openly gay priests.
To say that he still views homosexuality as a sin, is just a joke. No Pope would ever allow someone to proudly display their sinful lifestyle while in the priesthood. It is one thing to struggle with sinful temptations, and quite another to be proud of it and take part in "pride marches".
His actions have made it clear that he doesn't see homosexual actions as an abomination or a sin at all. And the whole LGBTQ world has received that message with rejoicing.
Just as it says it James... people can say they believe in something, but that doesn't matter as much as how they act on those beliefs. This Pope has proven himself to be a false teacher based upon his actions. False teachers are damned to pretty horrible judgements. II Peter 2 makes it clear that "they will secretly introduce destructive heresies".
He goes on:
2 Peter 2:4-9 NIV
[4] For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but sent them to hell, putting them in chains of darkness to be held for judgment; [5] if he did not spare the ancient world when he brought the flood on its ungodly people, but protected Noah, a preacher of righteousness, and seven others; [6] if he condemned the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah by burning them to ashes, and made them an example of what is going to happen to the ungodly; [7] and if he rescued Lot, a righteous man, who was distressed by the depraved conduct of the lawless [8] (for that righteous man, living among them day after day, was tormented in his righteous soul by the lawless deeds he saw and heard) [9] if this is so, then the Lord knows how to rescue the godly from trials and to hold the unrighteous for punishment on the day of judgment.
This Pope is not like Lot. He is not distressed by the depraved conduct, but has instead tried to find a way to compromise his beliefs so he can accept their lawless deeds.
It's really sad, but he has damned himself to judgement & hell.
I have many catholic and formerly catholic friends. They all agree that this Pope is the most ungodly Pope of their lifetimes. None of them are happy to admit it, and neither am I. It's sad to see someone who claims to be the Vicar of Christ, teach such ungodly things.
In case you are not familiar, a Vicar is one who stands in the place for an absent higher authority within the church. It literally translates to mean that the Pope is the one taking the place of Christ, because Christ is not on the earth right now.
I will continue to pray for those he has lead astray. I wish his blasphemy could have ended through repentance, but I will be glad for it to end however God sees fit to end it.
I get it, my Dad thinks it goes too far. It will probably be walked back under the next Pontiff, that is how these things go. But, I am more Jesuit and my Dad is more Redemptorist.
Riiiiiight....
Give me one example of Jesus or the apostles giving their blessing to an obviously sinful lifestyle.
Spoiler alert... it never happened.
You don't need to give a blessing over a commitment to engage in sin, in order to reach those in need.
You don't bless a drunkards commitment to a life long bender, in order to try and set him free from alcoholism.
It's obvious that this Pope clearly doesn't believe that homosexual acts are sinful. If he truly believed what the Bible says, he would take a far different approach.
He would try his best to set people free from sin, not bless their commitment to it.
But, it would do no good. But I will say this, Christ ate with sinners. He favored a Prostitute. Was friends with a tax collector. So, I am not sure you are correct that Christ would turn away from a homosexual.
I think you are asking the wrong question. The question you should ask is "Did Jesus ever deny anyone God's blessing when he was asked?" Doesn't asking for God's blessing show repentance? Francis never said don't counsel them on the act being wrong and clearly stated that any sexual act outside of marriage is a sin. So, if a homosexual asks for a blessing, you deny him in God's name?