Trump is going to get us into war with China
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Reciprocal tariffs are a no brainer. We just let them take our lunch money for so long they feel entitled to it.
lmaoTempus Edax Rerum said:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/china-says-ready-war-america-102203881.html
China declared war years ago.
China has literally robbed us blind for 30 years.....
I have no concern about their welfare. They need our markets far more than we need them.
Let them sweat a little.
- KKM
I have no concern about their welfare. They need our markets far more than we need them.
Let them sweat a little.
- KKM
Go Bears!
64 and counting.
It's incredible that they would increase defense spending in response. Probably were just looking for an excuse to announce it, and reject Trump's proposal to cut defense spending.
When you buy American, the money stays in your communities. The positive impact of the multiplier effect is huge. Unfettered globalism with massive trade imbalances has sent the money upward and out of the middle class and then overseas, thereby draining communities of salaries and workers.
Thee tinfoil hat couch-potato prognosticator, not a bible school preacher.
Tempus Edax Rerum said:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/china-says-ready-war-america-102203881.html
Oh no….you mean the totalitarian communists bent on expansion, military build up, and economic predatory policies are mad at us?
Tempus Edax Rerum said:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/china-says-ready-war-america-102203881.html
Is this like when everyone claimed he was starting a war with Iran during his first term? That turned out to be a horrible, horrible war….. oh wait there was no war and all those people were idiots for claiming that.
... and Panda Express is WAAAAAAAY overrated.
- el KKM
{ sipping coffee }
- el KKM
{ sipping coffee }
Go Bears!
GrowlTowel said:
China declared war years ago.
Correct
And Trump realizes this.
Possibly the biggest single reason he wants to end the war in Ukraine and improve relations with Russia.
kinda like nixon.....KaiBear said:GrowlTowel said:
China declared war years ago.
Correct
And Trump realizes this.
Possibly the biggest single reason he wants to end the war in Ukraine and improve relations with Russia.
in reverse.
- KKM
Go Bears!
You'll have to excuse him. He believes China's authoritarian way of handling COVID was the model response, and should have been employed here. He has a soft spot for China.Redbrickbear said:Tempus Edax Rerum said:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/china-says-ready-war-america-102203881.html
Oh no….you mean the totalitarian communists bent on expansion, military build up, and economic predatory policies are mad at us?
Of course, he also still suffers under the delusion that COVID came about naturally, and wasn't the result of Chinese research. Poor soul.
And NK. Yes, Trumps is certainly a war monger!cowboycwr said:Tempus Edax Rerum said:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/china-says-ready-war-america-102203881.html
Is this like when everyone claimed he was starting a war with Iran during his first term? That turned out to be a horrible, horrible war….. oh wait there was no war and all those people were idiots for claiming that.
Trump is arguably the most anti (hot) war POTUS we have had since at least the 19th Century. At the same time he's probably the most willing to wage economic war in America's interests POTUS we've ever had.
TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:
When you buy American, the money stays in your communities. The positive impact of the multiplier effect is huge. Unfettered globalism with massive trade imbalances has sent the money upward and out of the middle class and then overseas, thereby draining communities of salaries and workers.
Should buying Anerican be a choice? My dad always teased me for buying mazdas and a spitfire. I told him freedom was an amazing thing. He later bought a mazda pickup . After that he drive several Toyotas. He never went back.
I have found theres only two ways to go:
Living fast or dying slow.
I dont want to live forever.
But I will live while I'm here.
Living fast or dying slow.
I dont want to live forever.
But I will live while I'm here.
There will be no war with China. This is BS.
I'm convinced there will be a war with China, and it won't be because of one person being in office or another. Rather, it will be because the CCP will decide it has no other choice.
China's economy is going through some deep **** right now. And it will only get worse as their demographic picture continues to get more bleak. Their birth rates have been too low for decades, and that's also not counting the One Child Policy -- and it's estimated that they over-counted their population by over 100 million people as it is. Their population could very well be cut in half within the next 30-40 years.
You tie that in with their very tightly controlled capital markets, extremely over-levered housing market that makes our 2006-08 subprime market look like child's play, and a manipulated currency that is barely useable in global trade (because they print 4-5x more than we did when the Fed intervened at the onset of the financial crisis and they barely allow for capital to exit out of the country freely)....well, they're in a worse spot than they'll ever admit.
And what do authoritarian regimes do in times like that? Start a war and develop a common enemy.
China's economy is going through some deep **** right now. And it will only get worse as their demographic picture continues to get more bleak. Their birth rates have been too low for decades, and that's also not counting the One Child Policy -- and it's estimated that they over-counted their population by over 100 million people as it is. Their population could very well be cut in half within the next 30-40 years.
You tie that in with their very tightly controlled capital markets, extremely over-levered housing market that makes our 2006-08 subprime market look like child's play, and a manipulated currency that is barely useable in global trade (because they print 4-5x more than we did when the Fed intervened at the onset of the financial crisis and they barely allow for capital to exit out of the country freely)....well, they're in a worse spot than they'll ever admit.
And what do authoritarian regimes do in times like that? Start a war and develop a common enemy.
That's all plausible, but they'd better pick that enemy carefully. I'd expect them to be more of a regional bully (like Russia) and just rattle swords towards us occasionally knowing that doing anymore than that would get them cooked.mtenery14 said:
I'm convinced there will be a war with China, and it won't be because of one person being in office or another. Rather, it will be because the CCP will decide it has no other choice.
China's economy is going through some deep **** right now. And it will only get worse as their demographic picture continues to get more bleak. Their birth rates have been too low for decades, and that's also not counting the One Child Policy -- and it's estimated that they over-counted their population by over 100 million people as it is. Their population could very well be cut in half within the next 30-40 years.
You tie that in with their very tightly controlled capital markets, extremely over-levered housing market that makes our 2006-08 subprime market look like child's play, and a manipulated currency that is barely useable in global trade (because they print 4-5x more than we did when the Fed intervened at the onset of the financial crisis)....well, they're in a worse spot than they'll ever admit.
And what do authoritarian regimes do in times like that? Start a war and develop a common enemy.
As an aside, the one child policy ranks right up there with the stupidest things I've seen a government do.
You mean central planners aren't clairvoyant?? I'll be damned...
Yes, China to me at this point is more of a regional bully. They technically have a larger navy than we do, but most of those ships aren't capable of sailing more than 1000 miles or so from base. They have two aircraft carriers -- one that was originally a hull from the Soviet era (that is steam propelled no-less!!) and another that's....a copy of that one lolol. They're working on two more with one undergoing sea trials, but they currently have none that even come close to rivaling the, ahem, ELEVEN that the US has. They're about 50 years behind us in that department and that's assuming we stop developing completely. China doesn't have 50 years.Robert Wilson said:That's all plausible, but they'd better pick that enemy carefully. I'd expect them to be more of a regional bully (like Russia) and just rattle swords towards us occasionally knowing that doing anymore than that would get them cooked.mtenery14 said:
I'm convinced there will be a war with China, and it won't be because of one person being in office or another. Rather, it will be because the CCP will decide it has no other choice.
China's economy is going through some deep **** right now. And it will only get worse as their demographic picture continues to get more bleak. Their birth rates have been too low for decades, and that's also not counting the One Child Policy -- and it's estimated that they over-counted their population by over 100 million people as it is. Their population could very well be cut in half within the next 30-40 years.
You tie that in with their very tightly controlled capital markets, extremely over-levered housing market that makes our 2006-08 subprime market look like child's play, and a manipulated currency that is barely useable in global trade (because they print 4-5x more than we did when the Fed intervened at the onset of the financial crisis)....well, they're in a worse spot than they'll ever admit.
And what do authoritarian regimes do in times like that? Start a war and develop a common enemy.
As an aside, the one child policy ranks right up there with the stupidest things I've seen a government do.
You mean central planners aren't clairvoyant?? I'll be damned...
That's before we get into the experience America's military has, the technology across the board the US has that we know works, the fact that South Korea and Japan have extremely competent militaries/navies as well....make no mistake, we can't treat them with disrespect, but it will be a complete meat grinder for China. But they have the man-power currently to do it, which is why I think they just might.
william said:
China has literally robbed us blind for 30 years.....
I have no concern about their welfare. They need our markets far more than we need them.
Let them sweat a little.
- KKM
How have they robbed us blind? We moved jobs to China for profit. We wanted quality cheap ***** They sold us quality cheap *****
That's not robbing us.
They levy tariffs on our products that we sell to them and we haven't done the same.Mitch Blood Green said:william said:
China has literally robbed us blind for 30 years.....
I have no concern about their welfare. They need our markets far more than we need them.
Let them sweat a little.
- KKM
How have they robbed us blind? We moved jobs to China for profit. We wanted quality cheap ***** They sold us quality cheap *****
That's not robbing us.
The Miata => An Agent of Death.Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:
When you buy American, the money stays in your communities. The positive impact of the multiplier effect is huge. Unfettered globalism with massive trade imbalances has sent the money upward and out of the middle class and then overseas, thereby draining communities of salaries and workers.
Should buying Anerican be a choice? My dad always teased me for buying mazdas and a spitfire. I told him freedom was an amazing thing. He later bought a mazda pickup . After that he drive several Toyotas. He never went back.
RIP Brutus.
- el KKM
{ sipping coffee }
Go Bears!
Robert Wilson said:That's all plausible, but they'd better pick that enemy carefully. I'd expect them to be more of a regional bully (like Russia) and just rattle swords towards us occasionally knowing that doing anymore than that would get them cooked.mtenery14 said:
I'm convinced there will be a war with China, and it won't be because of one person being in office or another. Rather, it will be because the CCP will decide it has no other choice.
China's economy is going through some deep **** right now. And it will only get worse as their demographic picture continues to get more bleak. Their birth rates have been too low for decades, and that's also not counting the One Child Policy -- and it's estimated that they over-counted their population by over 100 million people as it is. Their population could very well be cut in half within the next 30-40 years.
You tie that in with their very tightly controlled capital markets, extremely over-levered housing market that makes our 2006-08 subprime market look like child's play, and a manipulated currency that is barely useable in global trade (because they print 4-5x more than we did when the Fed intervened at the onset of the financial crisis)....well, they're in a worse spot than they'll ever admit.
And what do authoritarian regimes do in times like that? Start a war and develop a common enemy.
As an aside, the one child policy ranks right up there with the stupidest things I've seen a government do.
You mean central planners aren't clairvoyant?? I'll be damned...
Probably the biggest self destructive government policy one can think of
It is also the biggest reason that China will be unable to dominate the 21st century
They are losing 2 million citizens a year (basically a city the size of Austin disappears every 12 months)....and India has over taken them as the most populous country on earth.
And the decline is just getting started.....by mid century they could be losing such large numbers it will be shocking
[China's population will decline more quickly later this century, falling by more than 200-300 million people by 2060, according to one UN projection ...]
Do you watch Peter Zeihan? I think he's a bit kooky on certain topics, but his seminars have been fascinating.Redbrickbear said:Robert Wilson said:That's all plausible, but they'd better pick that enemy carefully. I'd expect them to be more of a regional bully (like Russia) and just rattle swords towards us occasionally knowing that doing anymore than that would get them cooked.mtenery14 said:
I'm convinced there will be a war with China, and it won't be because of one person being in office or another. Rather, it will be because the CCP will decide it has no other choice.
China's economy is going through some deep **** right now. And it will only get worse as their demographic picture continues to get more bleak. Their birth rates have been too low for decades, and that's also not counting the One Child Policy -- and it's estimated that they over-counted their population by over 100 million people as it is. Their population could very well be cut in half within the next 30-40 years.
You tie that in with their very tightly controlled capital markets, extremely over-levered housing market that makes our 2006-08 subprime market look like child's play, and a manipulated currency that is barely useable in global trade (because they print 4-5x more than we did when the Fed intervened at the onset of the financial crisis)....well, they're in a worse spot than they'll ever admit.
And what do authoritarian regimes do in times like that? Start a war and develop a common enemy.
As an aside, the one child policy ranks right up there with the stupidest things I've seen a government do.
You mean central planners aren't clairvoyant?? I'll be damned...
Probably the biggest self destructive government policy one can think of
It is also the biggest reason that China will be unable to dominate the 21st century
They are losing 2 million citizens a year (basically a city the size of Austin disappears every 12 months)....and India has over taken them as the most populous country on earth.
And the decline is just getting started.....by mid century they could be losing such large numbers it will be shocking
[China's population will decline more quickly later this century, falling by more than 200-300 million people by 2060, according to one UN projection ...]
mtenery14 said:Do you watch Peter Zeihan? I think he's a bit kooky on certain topics, but his seminars have been fascinating.Redbrickbear said:Robert Wilson said:That's all plausible, but they'd better pick that enemy carefully. I'd expect them to be more of a regional bully (like Russia) and just rattle swords towards us occasionally knowing that doing anymore than that would get them cooked.mtenery14 said:
I'm convinced there will be a war with China, and it won't be because of one person being in office or another. Rather, it will be because the CCP will decide it has no other choice.
China's economy is going through some deep **** right now. And it will only get worse as their demographic picture continues to get more bleak. Their birth rates have been too low for decades, and that's also not counting the One Child Policy -- and it's estimated that they over-counted their population by over 100 million people as it is. Their population could very well be cut in half within the next 30-40 years.
You tie that in with their very tightly controlled capital markets, extremely over-levered housing market that makes our 2006-08 subprime market look like child's play, and a manipulated currency that is barely useable in global trade (because they print 4-5x more than we did when the Fed intervened at the onset of the financial crisis)....well, they're in a worse spot than they'll ever admit.
And what do authoritarian regimes do in times like that? Start a war and develop a common enemy.
As an aside, the one child policy ranks right up there with the stupidest things I've seen a government do.
You mean central planners aren't clairvoyant?? I'll be damned...
Probably the biggest self destructive government policy one can think of
It is also the biggest reason that China will be unable to dominate the 21st century
They are losing 2 million citizens a year (basically a city the size of Austin disappears every 12 months)....and India has over taken them as the most populous country on earth.
And the decline is just getting started.....by mid century they could be losing such large numbers it will be shocking
[China's population will decline more quickly later this century, falling by more than 200-300 million people by 2060, according to one UN projection ...]
I have seen a couple of his videos
Does he have a good one out about China?
Oh man, he's been all over China. I'll see if I can find one and I'll send it to youRedbrickbear said:mtenery14 said:Do you watch Peter Zeihan? I think he's a bit kooky on certain topics, but his seminars have been fascinating.Redbrickbear said:Robert Wilson said:That's all plausible, but they'd better pick that enemy carefully. I'd expect them to be more of a regional bully (like Russia) and just rattle swords towards us occasionally knowing that doing anymore than that would get them cooked.mtenery14 said:
I'm convinced there will be a war with China, and it won't be because of one person being in office or another. Rather, it will be because the CCP will decide it has no other choice.
China's economy is going through some deep **** right now. And it will only get worse as their demographic picture continues to get more bleak. Their birth rates have been too low for decades, and that's also not counting the One Child Policy -- and it's estimated that they over-counted their population by over 100 million people as it is. Their population could very well be cut in half within the next 30-40 years.
You tie that in with their very tightly controlled capital markets, extremely over-levered housing market that makes our 2006-08 subprime market look like child's play, and a manipulated currency that is barely useable in global trade (because they print 4-5x more than we did when the Fed intervened at the onset of the financial crisis)....well, they're in a worse spot than they'll ever admit.
And what do authoritarian regimes do in times like that? Start a war and develop a common enemy.
As an aside, the one child policy ranks right up there with the stupidest things I've seen a government do.
You mean central planners aren't clairvoyant?? I'll be damned...
Probably the biggest self destructive government policy one can think of
It is also the biggest reason that China will be unable to dominate the 21st century
They are losing 2 million citizens a year (basically a city the size of Austin disappears every 12 months)....and India has over taken them as the most populous country on earth.
And the decline is just getting started.....by mid century they could be losing such large numbers it will be shocking
[China's population will decline more quickly later this century, falling by more than 200-300 million people by 2060, according to one UN projection ...]
I have seen a couple of his videos
Does he have a good one out about China?
Check your messages
Unbelievable how completely wrong and short sighted the entire global intelligentsia was about population growth. Going to be fascinating to see people scramble to adjust to declining populations all across the developed world.Redbrickbear said:Robert Wilson said:That's all plausible, but they'd better pick that enemy carefully. I'd expect them to be more of a regional bully (like Russia) and just rattle swords towards us occasionally knowing that doing anymore than that would get them cooked.mtenery14 said:
I'm convinced there will be a war with China, and it won't be because of one person being in office or another. Rather, it will be because the CCP will decide it has no other choice.
China's economy is going through some deep **** right now. And it will only get worse as their demographic picture continues to get more bleak. Their birth rates have been too low for decades, and that's also not counting the One Child Policy -- and it's estimated that they over-counted their population by over 100 million people as it is. Their population could very well be cut in half within the next 30-40 years.
You tie that in with their very tightly controlled capital markets, extremely over-levered housing market that makes our 2006-08 subprime market look like child's play, and a manipulated currency that is barely useable in global trade (because they print 4-5x more than we did when the Fed intervened at the onset of the financial crisis)....well, they're in a worse spot than they'll ever admit.
And what do authoritarian regimes do in times like that? Start a war and develop a common enemy.
As an aside, the one child policy ranks right up there with the stupidest things I've seen a government do.
You mean central planners aren't clairvoyant?? I'll be damned...
Probably the biggest self destructive government policy one can think of
It is also the biggest reason that China will be unable to dominate the 21st century
They are losing 2 million citizens a year (basically a city the size of Austin disappears every 12 months)....and India has over taken them as the most populous country on earth.
And the decline is just getting started.....by mid century they could be losing such large numbers it will be shocking
[China's population will decline more quickly later this century, falling by more than 200-300 million people by 2060, according to one UN projection ...]
When I was at Baylor 100 years ago, I was in the early years of the BIC program. Had a big team-taught class where a bunch of Baylor profs were talking about population growth doomsday predictions. Typical Malthusian hogwash. I wrote a paper to be presented to the whole group tracking population growth curves in developed vs developing vs undeveloped countries and basically mapped out "population growth won't be a problem long term; if anything, those curves will continue to turn and much of the world will have the opposite problem one day." They all chuckled, told me it was an interesting idea with some decent research, but of course I was wrong. They patted me on the head and gave me an A for effort, despite my paper being completely incorrect and out of the mainstream...
Not to mention the fact that if China did decide to really get serious about stuff, we have the capability to completely starve them out. Hence, why they'll take what they want from Russia.Robert Wilson said:Unbelievable how completely wrong and short sighted the entire global intelligentsia was about population growth. Going to be fascinating to see people scramble to adjust to declining populations all across the developed world.Redbrickbear said:Robert Wilson said:That's all plausible, but they'd better pick that enemy carefully. I'd expect them to be more of a regional bully (like Russia) and just rattle swords towards us occasionally knowing that doing anymore than that would get them cooked.mtenery14 said:
I'm convinced there will be a war with China, and it won't be because of one person being in office or another. Rather, it will be because the CCP will decide it has no other choice.
China's economy is going through some deep **** right now. And it will only get worse as their demographic picture continues to get more bleak. Their birth rates have been too low for decades, and that's also not counting the One Child Policy -- and it's estimated that they over-counted their population by over 100 million people as it is. Their population could very well be cut in half within the next 30-40 years.
You tie that in with their very tightly controlled capital markets, extremely over-levered housing market that makes our 2006-08 subprime market look like child's play, and a manipulated currency that is barely useable in global trade (because they print 4-5x more than we did when the Fed intervened at the onset of the financial crisis)....well, they're in a worse spot than they'll ever admit.
And what do authoritarian regimes do in times like that? Start a war and develop a common enemy.
As an aside, the one child policy ranks right up there with the stupidest things I've seen a government do.
You mean central planners aren't clairvoyant?? I'll be damned...
Probably the biggest self destructive government policy one can think of
It is also the biggest reason that China will be unable to dominate the 21st century
They are losing 2 million citizens a year (basically a city the size of Austin disappears every 12 months)....and India has over taken them as the most populous country on earth.
And the decline is just getting started.....by mid century they could be losing such large numbers it will be shocking
[China's population will decline more quickly later this century, falling by more than 200-300 million people by 2060, according to one UN projection ...]
When I was at Baylor 100 years ago, I was in the early years of the BIC program. Had a big team-taught class where a bunch of Baylor profs were talking about population growth doomsday predictions. Typical Malthusian hogwash. I wrote a paper to be presented to the whole group tracking population growth curves in developed vs developing vs undeveloped countries and basically mapped out "population growth won't be a problem long term; if anything, those curves will continue to turn and much of the world will have the opposite problem one day." They all chuckled, told me it was an interesting idea with some decent research, but of course I was wrong. They patted me on the head and gave me an A for effort, despite my paper being completely incorrect and out of the mainstream...
Mr. Treehorn treats objects like women, man.
This too. They import so much of their food and energy -- if they started the war now, they would completely deindustrialize and a country-wide famine would ensue within months.trey3216 said:Not to mention the fact that if China did decide to really get serious about stuff, we have the capability to completely starve them out. Hence, why they'll take what they want from Russia.Robert Wilson said:Unbelievable how completely wrong and short sighted the entire global intelligentsia was about population growth. Going to be fascinating to see people scramble to adjust to declining populations all across the developed world.Redbrickbear said:Robert Wilson said:That's all plausible, but they'd better pick that enemy carefully. I'd expect them to be more of a regional bully (like Russia) and just rattle swords towards us occasionally knowing that doing anymore than that would get them cooked.mtenery14 said:
I'm convinced there will be a war with China, and it won't be because of one person being in office or another. Rather, it will be because the CCP will decide it has no other choice.
China's economy is going through some deep **** right now. And it will only get worse as their demographic picture continues to get more bleak. Their birth rates have been too low for decades, and that's also not counting the One Child Policy -- and it's estimated that they over-counted their population by over 100 million people as it is. Their population could very well be cut in half within the next 30-40 years.
You tie that in with their very tightly controlled capital markets, extremely over-levered housing market that makes our 2006-08 subprime market look like child's play, and a manipulated currency that is barely useable in global trade (because they print 4-5x more than we did when the Fed intervened at the onset of the financial crisis)....well, they're in a worse spot than they'll ever admit.
And what do authoritarian regimes do in times like that? Start a war and develop a common enemy.
As an aside, the one child policy ranks right up there with the stupidest things I've seen a government do.
You mean central planners aren't clairvoyant?? I'll be damned...
Probably the biggest self destructive government policy one can think of
It is also the biggest reason that China will be unable to dominate the 21st century
They are losing 2 million citizens a year (basically a city the size of Austin disappears every 12 months)....and India has over taken them as the most populous country on earth.
And the decline is just getting started.....by mid century they could be losing such large numbers it will be shocking
[China's population will decline more quickly later this century, falling by more than 200-300 million people by 2060, according to one UN projection ...]
When I was at Baylor 100 years ago, I was in the early years of the BIC program. Had a big team-taught class where a bunch of Baylor profs were talking about population growth doomsday predictions. Typical Malthusian hogwash. I wrote a paper to be presented to the whole group tracking population growth curves in developed vs developing vs undeveloped countries and basically mapped out "population growth won't be a problem long term; if anything, those curves will continue to turn and much of the world will have the opposite problem one day." They all chuckled, told me it was an interesting idea with some decent research, but of course I was wrong. They patted me on the head and gave me an A for effort, despite my paper being completely incorrect and out of the mainstream...
The enviro nazis, I'm sorry, climate change activists still don't get the problems that a declining population presents.
There's an entire generation of kids that think humans are a virus killing the planet.
There's an entire generation of kids that think humans are a virus killing the planet.
1. Their total disregard for copyright laws.
2. Their scammers
3. Their tarriffs vs ours
2. Their scammers
3. Their tarriffs vs ours
Married A Horn said:
1. Their total disregard for copyright laws.
2. Their scammers
3. Their tarriffs vs ours
1) is a huge issue. We manufacture a ton of products. They have a habit of buying them, knocking them off and selling a lower quality version for 40% of the price.
Consumers know the knock offs aren't as good but they just don't care.
Bagging on China is great but consumers bear at least some of the blame as we love cheap, disposable junk.
The Chinese also don't care about IP. They will reverse engineer anything they want as they know nothing can be done about it.