And he is emboldening Russia now too.

https://www.politico.eu/article/donald-tusk-plan-train-poland-men-military-service-russia/

Bad news for the TDS crowd:

https://www.foxnews.com/video/6369792626112

Trump's China strategy is 'working,' Heritage Foundation's Michael Pillsbury explains

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Summary - China took back their comment and agreed to talks

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It's worth watching. Trump isn't perfect, but he's got a good team and Trump HAS a very GOOD grasp on China. TDS crowd is always looking stupid.

Also, Trump knows that our best position is from strength, and Trump is forcing Europe to pick up its defense so Trump can focus on China and South America.

Sam Lowry said:

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KaiBear said:

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whiterock said:

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KaiBear said:

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whiterock said:

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KaiBear said:

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trey3216 said:

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KaiBear said:

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Unless the US is willing to use nukes; we would be unable to stop China in any invasion of Taiwan.

Far too few ground troops in the region and our supply lines would be thousands of miles long.

Anyone playing internet Rambo and ignoring the tactical realties involved would be best served by never examining a map.

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China would lose millions of soldiers, tens of thousands of airplanes, and virtually their entire Navy trying to take Taiwan. This isn't the English Channel in 1944. It would be an absolute turkey shoot.

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Ridiculous

Zero chance China would lose 'millions' of troops. 'Tens of thousands' of planes; or their 'entire navy'.

China has dramatically upgraded their military over the last 10 years.

Same cannot be said for the US.

And again, our supply lines would be unable to keep our forces rapidly resupplied .

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It is true that China wins almost every war game we run on Taiwan.

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The only winning move for the US.........

is not to play.

As the American people will NEVER support a war with China over Taiwan.





Period

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it'll be over before public opinion matters.

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Same kind of destructive bravado was spoken before the Civil War, World War One , World War Two, Korean War, Vietnam and Iraq.

China would destroy several of our naval units within the first 30 days of combat . The Navy would suffer their worst casualties since the last 6 months of the Pacific War.

As upgraded missiles and drones have made carrier groups very vulnerable.

The American people will not support such a war.

And you damn well know it.

Fortunately….Trump knows it as well.

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Let's hope that Trump knows it.

Some will never learn.

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The further they are from the possibility of getting killed or maimed for life…..the more 'warlike' they become.

trey3216 said:

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KaiBear said:

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whiterock said:

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KaiBear said:

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trey3216 said:

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KaiBear said:

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Unless the US is willing to use nukes; we would be unable to stop China in any invasion of Taiwan.

Far too few ground troops in the region and our supply lines would be thousands of miles long.

Anyone playing internet Rambo and ignoring the tactical realties involved would be best served by never examining a map.

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China would lose millions of soldiers, tens of thousands of airplanes, and virtually their entire Navy trying to take Taiwan. This isn't the English Channel in 1944. It would be an absolute turkey shoot.

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Ridiculous

Zero chance China would lose 'millions' of troops. 'Tens of thousands' of planes; or their 'entire navy'.

China has dramatically upgraded their military over the last 10 years.

Same cannot be said for the US.

And again, our supply lines would be unable to keep our forces rapidly resupplied .

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It is true that China wins almost every war game we run on Taiwan.

---

The only winning move for the US.........

is not to play.

As the American people will NEVER support a war with China over Taiwan.





Period

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if the American people want to have jobs, computers to help do those jobs, cars to help get them to those jobs, and a host f other things in life, then they'll understand why Taiwan is absolutely an American national security concern.

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You know; or at least should know…….the American people will not willingly risk their lives in defense of Taiwan.

Regardless whatever reasons the media attempts to sell them.

KaiBear said:

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trey3216 said:

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KaiBear said:

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whiterock said:

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KaiBear said:

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trey3216 said:

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KaiBear said:

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Unless the US is willing to use nukes; we would be unable to stop China in any invasion of Taiwan.

Far too few ground troops in the region and our supply lines would be thousands of miles long.

Anyone playing internet Rambo and ignoring the tactical realties involved would be best served by never examining a map.

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China would lose millions of soldiers, tens of thousands of airplanes, and virtually their entire Navy trying to take Taiwan. This isn't the English Channel in 1944. It would be an absolute turkey shoot.

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Ridiculous

Zero chance China would lose 'millions' of troops. 'Tens of thousands' of planes; or their 'entire navy'.

China has dramatically upgraded their military over the last 10 years.

Same cannot be said for the US.

And again, our supply lines would be unable to keep our forces rapidly resupplied .

---

It is true that China wins almost every war game we run on Taiwan.

---

The only winning move for the US.........

is not to play.

As the American people will NEVER support a war with China over Taiwan.





Period

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if the American people want to have jobs, computers to help do those jobs, cars to help get them to those jobs, and a host f other things in life, then they'll understand why Taiwan is absolutely an American national security concern.

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You know; or at least should know…….the American people will not willingly risk their lives in defense of Taiwan.

Regardless whatever reasons the media attempts to sell them.

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I don't know if that is true. Taiwan has a special relationship with the US and is looked on very fondly by Americans of all persuasions. So I think many if not most would support serious action in defense of Taiwan.

TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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KaiBear said:

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trey3216 said:

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KaiBear said:

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whiterock said:

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KaiBear said:

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trey3216 said:

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KaiBear said:

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Unless the US is willing to use nukes; we would be unable to stop China in any invasion of Taiwan.

Far too few ground troops in the region and our supply lines would be thousands of miles long.

Anyone playing internet Rambo and ignoring the tactical realties involved would be best served by never examining a map.

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China would lose millions of soldiers, tens of thousands of airplanes, and virtually their entire Navy trying to take Taiwan. This isn't the English Channel in 1944. It would be an absolute turkey shoot.

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Ridiculous

Zero chance China would lose 'millions' of troops. 'Tens of thousands' of planes; or their 'entire navy'.

China has dramatically upgraded their military over the last 10 years.

Same cannot be said for the US.

And again, our supply lines would be unable to keep our forces rapidly resupplied .

---

It is true that China wins almost every war game we run on Taiwan.

---

The only winning move for the US.........

is not to play.

As the American people will NEVER support a war with China over Taiwan.





Period

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if the American people want to have jobs, computers to help do those jobs, cars to help get them to those jobs, and a host f other things in life, then they'll understand why Taiwan is absolutely an American national security concern.

---

You know; or at least should know…….the American people will not willingly risk their lives in defense of Taiwan.

Regardless whatever reasons the media attempts to sell them.

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I don't know if that is true. Taiwan has a special relationship with the US and is looked on very fondly by Americans of all persuasions. So I think many if not most would support serious action in defense of Taiwan.

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Taiwan has zero relationship for anyone under the age of 55.

LOL


Very few could even find the island on a globe.


Yet you really think they would go to war for them ?

Rubbish

TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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KaiBear said:

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trey3216 said:

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KaiBear said:

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whiterock said:

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KaiBear said:

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trey3216 said:

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KaiBear said:

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Unless the US is willing to use nukes; we would be unable to stop China in any invasion of Taiwan.

Far too few ground troops in the region and our supply lines would be thousands of miles long.

Anyone playing internet Rambo and ignoring the tactical realties involved would be best served by never examining a map.

---

China would lose millions of soldiers, tens of thousands of airplanes, and virtually their entire Navy trying to take Taiwan. This isn't the English Channel in 1944. It would be an absolute turkey shoot.

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Ridiculous

Zero chance China would lose 'millions' of troops. 'Tens of thousands' of planes; or their 'entire navy'.

China has dramatically upgraded their military over the last 10 years.

Same cannot be said for the US.

And again, our supply lines would be unable to keep our forces rapidly resupplied .

---

It is true that China wins almost every war game we run on Taiwan.

---

The only winning move for the US.........

is not to play.

As the American people will NEVER support a war with China over Taiwan.





Period

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if the American people want to have jobs, computers to help do those jobs, cars to help get them to those jobs, and a host f other things in life, then they'll understand why Taiwan is absolutely an American national security concern.

---

You know; or at least should know…….the American people will not willingly risk their lives in defense of Taiwan.

Regardless whatever reasons the media attempts to sell them.

---

I don't know if that is true. Taiwan has a special relationship with the US and is looked on very fondly by Americans of all persuasions. So I think many if not most would support serious action in defense of Taiwan.

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Taiwan's relationship with the US and China is very good as of now. There's no need for us to "defend" Taiwan unless we provoke a Chinese attack on it...which I'm sure some are working hard to do.

Sam Lowry said:

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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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KaiBear said:

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trey3216 said:

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KaiBear said:

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whiterock said:

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KaiBear said:

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trey3216 said:

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KaiBear said:

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Unless the US is willing to use nukes; we would be unable to stop China in any invasion of Taiwan.

Far too few ground troops in the region and our supply lines would be thousands of miles long.

Anyone playing internet Rambo and ignoring the tactical realties involved would be best served by never examining a map.

---

China would lose millions of soldiers, tens of thousands of airplanes, and virtually their entire Navy trying to take Taiwan. This isn't the English Channel in 1944. It would be an absolute turkey shoot.

---

Ridiculous

Zero chance China would lose 'millions' of troops. 'Tens of thousands' of planes; or their 'entire navy'.

China has dramatically upgraded their military over the last 10 years.

Same cannot be said for the US.

And again, our supply lines would be unable to keep our forces rapidly resupplied .

---

It is true that China wins almost every war game we run on Taiwan.

---

The only winning move for the US.........

is not to play.

As the American people will NEVER support a war with China over Taiwan.





Period

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if the American people want to have jobs, computers to help do those jobs, cars to help get them to those jobs, and a host f other things in life, then they'll understand why Taiwan is absolutely an American national security concern.

---

You know; or at least should know…….the American people will not willingly risk their lives in defense of Taiwan.

Regardless whatever reasons the media attempts to sell them.

---

I don't know if that is true. Taiwan has a special relationship with the US and is looked on very fondly by Americans of all persuasions. So I think many if not most would support serious action in defense of Taiwan.

---

Taiwan's relationship with the US and China is very good as of now. There is no need for us to "defend" Taiwan unless we provoke a Chinese attack on it...which I'm sure some are working hard to do.

---

China has been on a determined path to invade Taiwan for at least 40 years.

Only the US Navy has prevented such an invasion up to this point.

However China has dramatically accelerated their military building program over the last 15 years. At a minimum they are at par with the US in the region of Taiwan.

It has clearly been China doing the provoking in the South China Sea and throughout much of the Far East.

Not the US.

Trump is obviously aware of the situation. A huge reason why he wants peace in Europe and a rebuilding of the US economy.

KaiBear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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KaiBear said:

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trey3216 said:

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KaiBear said:

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whiterock said:

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KaiBear said:

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trey3216 said:

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KaiBear said:

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Unless the US is willing to use nukes; we would be unable to stop China in any invasion of Taiwan.

Far too few ground troops in the region and our supply lines would be thousands of miles long.

Anyone playing internet Rambo and ignoring the tactical realties involved would be best served by never examining a map.

---

China would lose millions of soldiers, tens of thousands of airplanes, and virtually their entire Navy trying to take Taiwan. This isn't the English Channel in 1944. It would be an absolute turkey shoot.

---

Ridiculous

Zero chance China would lose 'millions' of troops. 'Tens of thousands' of planes; or their 'entire navy'.

China has dramatically upgraded their military over the last 10 years.

Same cannot be said for the US.

And again, our supply lines would be unable to keep our forces rapidly resupplied .

---

It is true that China wins almost every war game we run on Taiwan.

---

The only winning move for the US.........

is not to play.

As the American people will NEVER support a war with China over Taiwan.





Period

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if the American people want to have jobs, computers to help do those jobs, cars to help get them to those jobs, and a host f other things in life, then they'll understand why Taiwan is absolutely an American national security concern.

---

You know; or at least should know…….the American people will not willingly risk their lives in defense of Taiwan.

Regardless whatever reasons the media attempts to sell them.

---

I don't know if that is true. Taiwan has a special relationship with the US and is looked on very fondly by Americans of all persuasions. So I think many if not most would support serious action in defense of Taiwan.

---

Taiwan's relationship with the US and China is very good as of now. There is no need for us to "defend" Taiwan unless we provoke a Chinese attack on it...which I'm sure some are working hard to do.

---

China has been on a determined path to invade Taiwan for at least 40 years.

Only the US Navy has prevented such an invasion up to this point.

However China has dramatically accelerated their military building program over the last 15 years. At a minimum they are at par with the US in the region of Taiwan.

It has clearly been China doing the provoking in the South China Sea and throughout much of the Far East.

Not the US.

Trump is obviously aware of the situation. A huge reason why he wants peace in Europe and a rebuilding of the US economy.

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China and Taiwan are growing closer all the time. Invading would be a logistical nightmare. These are both powerful reasons why China doesn't want war...and why we do.

Regarding Taiwan, Trump is playing 4D chess while China is playing checkers.

Trump knows that if China were to invade Taiwan, it would overload the island and, just like Guam, it would capsize. The problem fixes itself.

whiterock said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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KaiBear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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KaiBear said:

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trey3216 said:

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KaiBear said:

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whiterock said:

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It is true that China wins almost every war game we run on Taiwan.

---

The only winning move for the US.........

is not to play.

As the American people will NEVER support a war with China over Taiwan.





Period

---

if the American people want to have jobs, computers to help do those jobs, cars to help get them to those jobs, and a host f other things in life, then they'll understand why Taiwan is absolutely an American national security concern.

---

You know; or at least should know…….the American people will not willingly risk their lives in defense of Taiwan.

Regardless whatever reasons the media attempts to sell them.

---

I don't know if that is true. Taiwan has a special relationship with the US and is looked on very fondly by Americans of all persuasions. So I think many if not most would support serious action in defense of Taiwan.

---

Taiwan's relationship with the US and China is very good as of now. There is no need for us to "defend" Taiwan unless we provoke a Chinese attack on it...which I'm sure some are working hard to do.

---

China has been on a determined path to invade Taiwan for at least 40 years.

Only the US Navy has prevented such an invasion up to this point.

However China has dramatically accelerated their military building program over the last 15 years. At a minimum they are at par with the US in the region of Taiwan.

It has clearly been China doing the provoking in the South China Sea and throughout much of the Far East.

Not the US.

Trump is obviously aware of the situation. A huge reason why he wants peace in Europe and a rebuilding of the US economy.

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China and Taiwan are growing closer all the time. Invading would be a logistical nightmare. These are both powerful reasons why China doesn't want war...and why we do.

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LOL we want war yet have gone 80 years without provoking one over Taiwan. How much longer will we have to wait? after all these many decades our actions have finally forced a serenely peaceful China to start building the invasion barges? How did we manage to do it? Inquiring minds want to know. Has it occurred to no one that simply re-opening diplomatic relations with Taiwan would probably trip the switch?

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With rational leadership we could easily go another 80 years. Unfortunately that's not guaranteed.

I don't know how China would respond to our re-opening diplomatic relations with Taiwan, but we both know what the intent behind such a move would be. It would encourage Taiwanese nationalists to disrupt the status quo.

Sam Lowry said:

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KaiBear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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KaiBear said:

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trey3216 said:

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KaiBear said:

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whiterock said:

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KaiBear said:

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trey3216 said:

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KaiBear said:

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Unless the US is willing to use nukes; we would be unable to stop China in any invasion of Taiwan.

Far too few ground troops in the region and our supply lines would be thousands of miles long.

Anyone playing internet Rambo and ignoring the tactical realties involved would be best served by never examining a map.

---

China would lose millions of soldiers, tens of thousands of airplanes, and virtually their entire Navy trying to take Taiwan. This isn't the English Channel in 1944. It would be an absolute turkey shoot.

---

Ridiculous

Zero chance China would lose 'millions' of troops. 'Tens of thousands' of planes; or their 'entire navy'.

China has dramatically upgraded their military over the last 10 years.

Same cannot be said for the US.

And again, our supply lines would be unable to keep our forces rapidly resupplied .

---

It is true that China wins almost every war game we run on Taiwan.

---

The only winning move for the US.........

is not to play.

As the American people will NEVER support a war with China over Taiwan.





Period

---

if the American people want to have jobs, computers to help do those jobs, cars to help get them to those jobs, and a host f other things in life, then they'll understand why Taiwan is absolutely an American national security concern.

---

You know; or at least should know…….the American people will not willingly risk their lives in defense of Taiwan.

Regardless whatever reasons the media attempts to sell them.

---

I don't know if that is true. Taiwan has a special relationship with the US and is looked on very fondly by Americans of all persuasions. So I think many if not most would support serious action in defense of Taiwan.

---

Taiwan's relationship with the US and China is very good as of now. There is no need for us to "defend" Taiwan unless we provoke a Chinese attack on it...which I'm sure some are working hard to do.

---

China has been on a determined path to invade Taiwan for at least 40 years.

Only the US Navy has prevented such an invasion up to this point.

However China has dramatically accelerated their military building program over the last 15 years. At a minimum they are at par with the US in the region of Taiwan.

It has clearly been China doing the provoking in the South China Sea and throughout much of the Far East.

Not the US.

Trump is obviously aware of the situation. A huge reason why he wants peace in Europe and a rebuilding of the US economy.

---

China and Taiwan are growing closer all the time. Invading would be a logistical nightmare. These are both powerful reasons why China doesn't want war...and why we do.

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So silly.

Trump does not want a war.

The American people do not want a war.

Even if China invaded Taiwan it is highly unlikely Trump will commit our military into a combat situation where some of its critical supplies come from China.

KaiBear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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KaiBear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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KaiBear said:

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trey3216 said:

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KaiBear said:

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whiterock said:

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KaiBear said:

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trey3216 said:

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KaiBear said:

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Unless the US is willing to use nukes; we would be unable to stop China in any invasion of Taiwan.

Far too few ground troops in the region and our supply lines would be thousands of miles long.

Anyone playing internet Rambo and ignoring the tactical realties involved would be best served by never examining a map.

---

China would lose millions of soldiers, tens of thousands of airplanes, and virtually their entire Navy trying to take Taiwan. This isn't the English Channel in 1944. It would be an absolute turkey shoot.

---

Ridiculous

Zero chance China would lose 'millions' of troops. 'Tens of thousands' of planes; or their 'entire navy'.

China has dramatically upgraded their military over the last 10 years.

Same cannot be said for the US.

And again, our supply lines would be unable to keep our forces rapidly resupplied .

---

It is true that China wins almost every war game we run on Taiwan.

---

The only winning move for the US.........

is not to play.

As the American people will NEVER support a war with China over Taiwan.





Period

---

if the American people want to have jobs, computers to help do those jobs, cars to help get them to those jobs, and a host f other things in life, then they'll understand why Taiwan is absolutely an American national security concern.

---

You know; or at least should know…….the American people will not willingly risk their lives in defense of Taiwan.

Regardless whatever reasons the media attempts to sell them.

---

I don't know if that is true. Taiwan has a special relationship with the US and is looked on very fondly by Americans of all persuasions. So I think many if not most would support serious action in defense of Taiwan.

---

Taiwan's relationship with the US and China is very good as of now. There is no need for us to "defend" Taiwan unless we provoke a Chinese attack on it...which I'm sure some are working hard to do.

---

China has been on a determined path to invade Taiwan for at least 40 years.

Only the US Navy has prevented such an invasion up to this point.

However China has dramatically accelerated their military building program over the last 15 years. At a minimum they are at par with the US in the region of Taiwan.

It has clearly been China doing the provoking in the South China Sea and throughout much of the Far East.

Not the US.

Trump is obviously aware of the situation. A huge reason why he wants peace in Europe and a rebuilding of the US economy.

---

China and Taiwan are growing closer all the time. Invading would be a logistical nightmare. These are both powerful reasons why China doesn't want war...and why we do.

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So silly.

Trump does not want a war.

The American people do not want a war.

Even if China invaded Taiwan it is highly unlikely Trump will commit our military into a combat situation where some of its critical supplies come from China.

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"We" meaning the US as a geopolitical entity. I hope you're right about Trump and, equally important, that he isn't just an anomaly in that respect.

When I was growing up, everyone shook their heads about the Appeasement policy in Europe in the 1930s. Didn't the government know that would lead to war?

It seemed absurd that a reasonable person could believe appeasement was the best course.

Yet here we are, with Sam telling us yet again how important appeasing China is to avoiding war.

Oldbear83 said:

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When I was growing up, everyone shook their heads about the Appeasement policy in Europe in the 1930s. Didn't the government know that would lead to war?

It seemed absurd that a reasonable person could believe appeasement was the best course.

Yet here we are, with Sam telling us yet again how important appeasing China is to avoiding war.

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Appeasement may or may not be the best solution, depending on the problem. With a deterrence problem, it's a bad idea. With a security dilemma, it may be exactly what's needed. There's no one-size-fits-all principle, and you shouldn't trust anyone who tells you there is.

Sam Lowry said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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When I was growing up, everyone shook their heads about the Appeasement policy in Europe in the 1930s. Didn't the government know that would lead to war?

It seemed absurd that a reasonable person could believe appeasement was the best course.

Yet here we are, with Sam telling us yet again how important appeasing China is to avoiding war.

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Appeasement may or may not be the best solution, depending on the problem. With a deterrence problem, it's a bad idea. With a security dilemma, it may be exactly what's needed. There's no one-size-fits-all principle, and you shouldn't trust anyone who tells you there is.

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Well, for starters I have learned not to trust your opinion, Sam.

Oldbear83 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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When I was growing up, everyone shook their heads about the Appeasement policy in Europe in the 1930s. Didn't the government know that would lead to war?

It seemed absurd that a reasonable person could believe appeasement was the best course.

Yet here we are, with Sam telling us yet again how important appeasing China is to avoiding war.

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Appeasement may or may not be the best solution, depending on the problem. With a deterrence problem, it's a bad idea. With a security dilemma, it may be exactly what's needed. There's no one-size-fits-all principle, and you shouldn't trust anyone who tells you there is.

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Well, for starters I have learned not to trust your opinion, Sam.

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I may have opinions about what kind of challenge we face from China and what the best course of action is, but this isn't my opinion. It's Diplomacy 101.

KaiBear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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KaiBear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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KaiBear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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KaiBear said:

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trey3216 said:

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KaiBear said:

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whiterock said:

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KaiBear said:

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trey3216 said:

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KaiBear said:

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Unless the US is willing to use nukes; we would be unable to stop China in any invasion of Taiwan.

Far too few ground troops in the region and our supply lines would be thousands of miles long.

Anyone playing internet Rambo and ignoring the tactical realties involved would be best served by never examining a map.

---

China would lose millions of soldiers, tens of thousands of airplanes, and virtually their entire Navy trying to take Taiwan. This isn't the English Channel in 1944. It would be an absolute turkey shoot.

---

Ridiculous

Zero chance China would lose 'millions' of troops. 'Tens of thousands' of planes; or their 'entire navy'.

China has dramatically upgraded their military over the last 10 years.

Same cannot be said for the US.

And again, our supply lines would be unable to keep our forces rapidly resupplied .

---

It is true that China wins almost every war game we run on Taiwan.

---

The only winning move for the US.........

is not to play.

As the American people will NEVER support a war with China over Taiwan.





Period

---

if the American people want to have jobs, computers to help do those jobs, cars to help get them to those jobs, and a host f other things in life, then they'll understand why Taiwan is absolutely an American national security concern.

---

You know; or at least should know…….the American people will not willingly risk their lives in defense of Taiwan.

Regardless whatever reasons the media attempts to sell them.

---

I don't know if that is true. Taiwan has a special relationship with the US and is looked on very fondly by Americans of all persuasions. So I think many if not most would support serious action in defense of Taiwan.

---

Taiwan's relationship with the US and China is very good as of now. There is no need for us to "defend" Taiwan unless we provoke a Chinese attack on it...which I'm sure some are working hard to do.

---

China has been on a determined path to invade Taiwan for at least 40 years.

Only the US Navy has prevented such an invasion up to this point.

However China has dramatically accelerated their military building program over the last 15 years. At a minimum they are at par with the US in the region of Taiwan.

It has clearly been China doing the provoking in the South China Sea and throughout much of the Far East.

Not the US.

Trump is obviously aware of the situation. A huge reason why he wants peace in Europe and a rebuilding of the US economy.

---

China and Taiwan are growing closer all the time. Invading would be a logistical nightmare. These are both powerful reasons why China doesn't want war...and why we do.

---

So silly.

Trump does not want a war.

The American people do not want a war.

Even if China invaded Taiwan it is highly unlikely Trump will commit our military into a combat situation where some of its critical supplies come from China.

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"We" meaning the US as a geopolitical entity. I hope you're right about Trump and, equally important, that he isn't just an anomaly in that respect.

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You seem to be anxious to portray the US as the agressor in all regions of the world.

We aren't.

Although the US ( Biden Harris ) certainly scewed things up regarding Ukraine.

However in their defense they had a lot of money laudering to cover up.

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Actively supporting Taiwan independence would make us an aggressor. I'm not saying we're there yet, at least not officially, but we're getting closer.

Sam Lowry said:

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KaiBear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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KaiBear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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KaiBear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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KaiBear said:

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trey3216 said:

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KaiBear said:

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whiterock said:

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KaiBear said:

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trey3216 said:

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KaiBear said:

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Unless the US is willing to use nukes; we would be unable to stop China in any invasion of Taiwan.

Far too few ground troops in the region and our supply lines would be thousands of miles long.

Anyone playing internet Rambo and ignoring the tactical realties involved would be best served by never examining a map.

---

China would lose millions of soldiers, tens of thousands of airplanes, and virtually their entire Navy trying to take Taiwan. This isn't the English Channel in 1944. It would be an absolute turkey shoot.

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Ridiculous

Zero chance China would lose 'millions' of troops. 'Tens of thousands' of planes; or their 'entire navy'.

China has dramatically upgraded their military over the last 10 years.

Same cannot be said for the US.

And again, our supply lines would be unable to keep our forces rapidly resupplied .

---

It is true that China wins almost every war game we run on Taiwan.

---

The only winning move for the US.........

is not to play.

As the American people will NEVER support a war with China over Taiwan.





Period

---

if the American people want to have jobs, computers to help do those jobs, cars to help get them to those jobs, and a host f other things in life, then they'll understand why Taiwan is absolutely an American national security concern.

---

You know; or at least should know…….the American people will not willingly risk their lives in defense of Taiwan.

Regardless whatever reasons the media attempts to sell them.

---

I don't know if that is true. Taiwan has a special relationship with the US and is looked on very fondly by Americans of all persuasions. So I think many if not most would support serious action in defense of Taiwan.

---

Taiwan's relationship with the US and China is very good as of now. There is no need for us to "defend" Taiwan unless we provoke a Chinese attack on it...which I'm sure some are working hard to do.

---

China has been on a determined path to invade Taiwan for at least 40 years.

Only the US Navy has prevented such an invasion up to this point.

However China has dramatically accelerated their military building program over the last 15 years. At a minimum they are at par with the US in the region of Taiwan.

It has clearly been China doing the provoking in the South China Sea and throughout much of the Far East.

Not the US.

Trump is obviously aware of the situation. A huge reason why he wants peace in Europe and a rebuilding of the US economy.

---

China and Taiwan are growing closer all the time. Invading would be a logistical nightmare. These are both powerful reasons why China doesn't want war...and why we do.

---

So silly.

Trump does not want a war.

The American people do not want a war.

Even if China invaded Taiwan it is highly unlikely Trump will commit our military into a combat situation where some of its critical supplies come from China.

---

"We" meaning the US as a geopolitical entity. I hope you're right about Trump and, equally important, that he isn't just an anomaly in that respect.

---

You seem to be anxious to portray the US as the agressor in all regions of the world.

We aren't.

Although the US ( Biden Harris ) certainly scewed things up regarding Ukraine.

However in their defense they had a lot of money laudering to cover up.

---

Actively supporting Taiwan independence would make us an aggressor. I'm not saying we're there yet, at least not officially, but we're getting closer.

---

It's funny, really, seeing Sam cast everything in binary terms.

We can prevent China's ambition of regional hegemony without provoking a hot war.

You'd never know that from Sam's screeds.

KaiBear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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KaiBear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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KaiBear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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KaiBear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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KaiBear said:

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trey3216 said:

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KaiBear said:

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whiterock said:

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KaiBear said:

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trey3216 said:

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KaiBear said:

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Unless the US is willing to use nukes; we would be unable to stop China in any invasion of Taiwan.

Far too few ground troops in the region and our supply lines would be thousands of miles long.

Anyone playing internet Rambo and ignoring the tactical realties involved would be best served by never examining a map.

---

China would lose millions of soldiers, tens of thousands of airplanes, and virtually their entire Navy trying to take Taiwan. This isn't the English Channel in 1944. It would be an absolute turkey shoot.

---

Ridiculous

Zero chance China would lose 'millions' of troops. 'Tens of thousands' of planes; or their 'entire navy'.

China has dramatically upgraded their military over the last 10 years.

Same cannot be said for the US.

And again, our supply lines would be unable to keep our forces rapidly resupplied .

---

It is true that China wins almost every war game we run on Taiwan.

---

The only winning move for the US.........

is not to play.

As the American people will NEVER support a war with China over Taiwan.





Period

---

if the American people want to have jobs, computers to help do those jobs, cars to help get them to those jobs, and a host f other things in life, then they'll understand why Taiwan is absolutely an American national security concern.

---

You know; or at least should know…….the American people will not willingly risk their lives in defense of Taiwan.

Regardless whatever reasons the media attempts to sell them.

---

I don't know if that is true. Taiwan has a special relationship with the US and is looked on very fondly by Americans of all persuasions. So I think many if not most would support serious action in defense of Taiwan.

---

Taiwan's relationship with the US and China is very good as of now. There is no need for us to "defend" Taiwan unless we provoke a Chinese attack on it...which I'm sure some are working hard to do.

---

China has been on a determined path to invade Taiwan for at least 40 years.

Only the US Navy has prevented such an invasion up to this point.

However China has dramatically accelerated their military building program over the last 15 years. At a minimum they are at par with the US in the region of Taiwan.

It has clearly been China doing the provoking in the South China Sea and throughout much of the Far East.

Not the US.

Trump is obviously aware of the situation. A huge reason why he wants peace in Europe and a rebuilding of the US economy.

---

China and Taiwan are growing closer all the time. Invading would be a logistical nightmare. These are both powerful reasons why China doesn't want war...and why we do.

---

So silly.

Trump does not want a war.

The American people do not want a war.

Even if China invaded Taiwan it is highly unlikely Trump will commit our military into a combat situation where some of its critical supplies come from China.

---

"We" meaning the US as a geopolitical entity. I hope you're right about Trump and, equally important, that he isn't just an anomaly in that respect.

---

You seem to be anxious to portray the US as the agressor in all regions of the world.

We aren't.

Although the US ( Biden Harris ) certainly scewed things up regarding Ukraine.

However in their defense they had a lot of money laudering to cover up.

---

Actively supporting Taiwan independence would make us an aggressor. I'm not saying we're there yet, at least not officially, but we're getting closer.

---

How in the world would supporting Taiwan independence make the US the aggressor ?

I am not saying we can or should ......however clearly China has repeatedly been the aggressor in this regard.

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Note Sam's word "actively". He means public statements in favor of independence, which the CCP would take to mean we would support Taiwan declaring support for political leaders hostile to Beijing. Ergo, a de facto escalation.

The problem for Sam is that there are a lot of options short of "active" promotion of Independence.

Oldbear83 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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KaiBear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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KaiBear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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KaiBear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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KaiBear said:

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trey3216 said:

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KaiBear said:

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whiterock said:

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KaiBear said:

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trey3216 said:

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KaiBear said:

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Unless the US is willing to use nukes; we would be unable to stop China in any invasion of Taiwan.

Far too few ground troops in the region and our supply lines would be thousands of miles long.

Anyone playing internet Rambo and ignoring the tactical realties involved would be best served by never examining a map.

---

China would lose millions of soldiers, tens of thousands of airplanes, and virtually their entire Navy trying to take Taiwan. This isn't the English Channel in 1944. It would be an absolute turkey shoot.

---

Ridiculous

Zero chance China would lose 'millions' of troops. 'Tens of thousands' of planes; or their 'entire navy'.

China has dramatically upgraded their military over the last 10 years.

Same cannot be said for the US.

And again, our supply lines would be unable to keep our forces rapidly resupplied .

---

It is true that China wins almost every war game we run on Taiwan.

---

The only winning move for the US.........

is not to play.

As the American people will NEVER support a war with China over Taiwan.





Period

---

if the American people want to have jobs, computers to help do those jobs, cars to help get them to those jobs, and a host f other things in life, then they'll understand why Taiwan is absolutely an American national security concern.

---

You know; or at least should know…….the American people will not willingly risk their lives in defense of Taiwan.

Regardless whatever reasons the media attempts to sell them.

---

I don't know if that is true. Taiwan has a special relationship with the US and is looked on very fondly by Americans of all persuasions. So I think many if not most would support serious action in defense of Taiwan.

---

Taiwan's relationship with the US and China is very good as of now. There is no need for us to "defend" Taiwan unless we provoke a Chinese attack on it...which I'm sure some are working hard to do.

---

China has been on a determined path to invade Taiwan for at least 40 years.

Only the US Navy has prevented such an invasion up to this point.

However China has dramatically accelerated their military building program over the last 15 years. At a minimum they are at par with the US in the region of Taiwan.

It has clearly been China doing the provoking in the South China Sea and throughout much of the Far East.

Not the US.

Trump is obviously aware of the situation. A huge reason why he wants peace in Europe and a rebuilding of the US economy.

---

China and Taiwan are growing closer all the time. Invading would be a logistical nightmare. These are both powerful reasons why China doesn't want war...and why we do.

---

So silly.

Trump does not want a war.

The American people do not want a war.

Even if China invaded Taiwan it is highly unlikely Trump will commit our military into a combat situation where some of its critical supplies come from China.

---

"We" meaning the US as a geopolitical entity. I hope you're right about Trump and, equally important, that he isn't just an anomaly in that respect.

---

You seem to be anxious to portray the US as the agressor in all regions of the world.

We aren't.

Although the US ( Biden Harris ) certainly scewed things up regarding Ukraine.

However in their defense they had a lot of money laudering to cover up.

---

Actively supporting Taiwan independence would make us an aggressor. I'm not saying we're there yet, at least not officially, but we're getting closer.

---

It's funny, really, seeing Sam cast everything in binary terms.

We can prevent China's ambition of regional hegemony without provoking a hot war.

You'd never know that from Sam's screeds.

---

Speaking of binaries, there's a good bit of ground in between being an aggressor and provoking a hot war.

Sam Lowry said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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KaiBear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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KaiBear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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KaiBear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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KaiBear said:

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trey3216 said:

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KaiBear said:

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whiterock said:

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KaiBear said:

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trey3216 said:

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KaiBear said:

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Unless the US is willing to use nukes; we would be unable to stop China in any invasion of Taiwan.

Far too few ground troops in the region and our supply lines would be thousands of miles long.

Anyone playing internet Rambo and ignoring the tactical realties involved would be best served by never examining a map.

---

China would lose millions of soldiers, tens of thousands of airplanes, and virtually their entire Navy trying to take Taiwan. This isn't the English Channel in 1944. It would be an absolute turkey shoot.

---

Ridiculous

Zero chance China would lose 'millions' of troops. 'Tens of thousands' of planes; or their 'entire navy'.

China has dramatically upgraded their military over the last 10 years.

Same cannot be said for the US.

And again, our supply lines would be unable to keep our forces rapidly resupplied .

---

It is true that China wins almost every war game we run on Taiwan.

---

The only winning move for the US.........

is not to play.

As the American people will NEVER support a war with China over Taiwan.





Period

---

if the American people want to have jobs, computers to help do those jobs, cars to help get them to those jobs, and a host f other things in life, then they'll understand why Taiwan is absolutely an American national security concern.

---

You know; or at least should know…….the American people will not willingly risk their lives in defense of Taiwan.

Regardless whatever reasons the media attempts to sell them.

---

I don't know if that is true. Taiwan has a special relationship with the US and is looked on very fondly by Americans of all persuasions. So I think many if not most would support serious action in defense of Taiwan.

---

Taiwan's relationship with the US and China is very good as of now. There is no need for us to "defend" Taiwan unless we provoke a Chinese attack on it...which I'm sure some are working hard to do.

---

China has been on a determined path to invade Taiwan for at least 40 years.

Only the US Navy has prevented such an invasion up to this point.

However China has dramatically accelerated their military building program over the last 15 years. At a minimum they are at par with the US in the region of Taiwan.

It has clearly been China doing the provoking in the South China Sea and throughout much of the Far East.

Not the US.

Trump is obviously aware of the situation. A huge reason why he wants peace in Europe and a rebuilding of the US economy.

---

China and Taiwan are growing closer all the time. Invading would be a logistical nightmare. These are both powerful reasons why China doesn't want war...and why we do.

---

So silly.

Trump does not want a war.

The American people do not want a war.

Even if China invaded Taiwan it is highly unlikely Trump will commit our military into a combat situation where some of its critical supplies come from China.

---

"We" meaning the US as a geopolitical entity. I hope you're right about Trump and, equally important, that he isn't just an anomaly in that respect.

---

You seem to be anxious to portray the US as the agressor in all regions of the world.

We aren't.

Although the US ( Biden Harris ) certainly scewed things up regarding Ukraine.

However in their defense they had a lot of money laudering to cover up.

---

Actively supporting Taiwan independence would make us an aggressor. I'm not saying we're there yet, at least not officially, but we're getting closer.

---

It's funny, really, seeing Sam cast everything in binary terms.

We can prevent China's ambition of regional hegemony without provoking a hot war.

You'd never know that from Sam's screeds.

---

Speaking of binaries, there's a good bit of ground in between being an aggressor and provoking a hot war.

---

Glad you finally caught that, Sam. Your other posts went a different direction.

KaiBear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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KaiBear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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KaiBear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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KaiBear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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KaiBear said:

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trey3216 said:

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KaiBear said:

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whiterock said:

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KaiBear said:

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trey3216 said:

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KaiBear said:

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Unless the US is willing to use nukes; we would be unable to stop China in any invasion of Taiwan.

Far too few ground troops in the region and our supply lines would be thousands of miles long.

Anyone playing internet Rambo and ignoring the tactical realties involved would be best served by never examining a map.

---

China would lose millions of soldiers, tens of thousands of airplanes, and virtually their entire Navy trying to take Taiwan. This isn't the English Channel in 1944. It would be an absolute turkey shoot.

---

Ridiculous

Zero chance China would lose 'millions' of troops. 'Tens of thousands' of planes; or their 'entire navy'.

China has dramatically upgraded their military over the last 10 years.

Same cannot be said for the US.

And again, our supply lines would be unable to keep our forces rapidly resupplied .

---

It is true that China wins almost every war game we run on Taiwan.

---

The only winning move for the US.........

is not to play.

As the American people will NEVER support a war with China over Taiwan.





Period

---

if the American people want to have jobs, computers to help do those jobs, cars to help get them to those jobs, and a host f other things in life, then they'll understand why Taiwan is absolutely an American national security concern.

---

You know; or at least should know…….the American people will not willingly risk their lives in defense of Taiwan.

Regardless whatever reasons the media attempts to sell them.

---

I don't know if that is true. Taiwan has a special relationship with the US and is looked on very fondly by Americans of all persuasions. So I think many if not most would support serious action in defense of Taiwan.

---

Taiwan's relationship with the US and China is very good as of now. There is no need for us to "defend" Taiwan unless we provoke a Chinese attack on it...which I'm sure some are working hard to do.

---

China has been on a determined path to invade Taiwan for at least 40 years.

Only the US Navy has prevented such an invasion up to this point.

However China has dramatically accelerated their military building program over the last 15 years. At a minimum they are at par with the US in the region of Taiwan.

It has clearly been China doing the provoking in the South China Sea and throughout much of the Far East.

Not the US.

Trump is obviously aware of the situation. A huge reason why he wants peace in Europe and a rebuilding of the US economy.

---

China and Taiwan are growing closer all the time. Invading would be a logistical nightmare. These are both powerful reasons why China doesn't want war...and why we do.

---

So silly.

Trump does not want a war.

The American people do not want a war.

Even if China invaded Taiwan it is highly unlikely Trump will commit our military into a combat situation where some of its critical supplies come from China.

---

"We" meaning the US as a geopolitical entity. I hope you're right about Trump and, equally important, that he isn't just an anomaly in that respect.

---

You seem to be anxious to portray the US as the agressor in all regions of the world.

We aren't.

Although the US ( Biden Harris ) certainly scewed things up regarding Ukraine.

However in their defense they had a lot of money laudering to cover up.

---

Actively supporting Taiwan independence would make us an aggressor. I'm not saying we're there yet, at least not officially, but we're getting closer.

---

How in the world would supporting Taiwan independence make the US the aggressor ?

I am not saying we can or should ......however clearly China has repeatedly been the aggressor in this regard.

---

It would threaten the status quo, which both China and Taiwan are reasonably happy with. The United States was reasonably happy with it too until we started our crusade for global "democracy." How well have you seen that working out lately?

Oldbear83 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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KaiBear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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KaiBear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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KaiBear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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KaiBear said:

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trey3216 said:

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KaiBear said:

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whiterock said:

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KaiBear said:

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trey3216 said:

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KaiBear said:

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Unless the US is willing to use nukes; we would be unable to stop China in any invasion of Taiwan.

Far too few ground troops in the region and our supply lines would be thousands of miles long.

Anyone playing internet Rambo and ignoring the tactical realties involved would be best served by never examining a map.

---

China would lose millions of soldiers, tens of thousands of airplanes, and virtually their entire Navy trying to take Taiwan. This isn't the English Channel in 1944. It would be an absolute turkey shoot.

---

Ridiculous

Zero chance China would lose 'millions' of troops. 'Tens of thousands' of planes; or their 'entire navy'.

China has dramatically upgraded their military over the last 10 years.

Same cannot be said for the US.

And again, our supply lines would be unable to keep our forces rapidly resupplied .

---

It is true that China wins almost every war game we run on Taiwan.

---

The only winning move for the US.........

is not to play.

As the American people will NEVER support a war with China over Taiwan.





Period

---

if the American people want to have jobs, computers to help do those jobs, cars to help get them to those jobs, and a host f other things in life, then they'll understand why Taiwan is absolutely an American national security concern.

---

You know; or at least should know…….the American people will not willingly risk their lives in defense of Taiwan.

Regardless whatever reasons the media attempts to sell them.

---

I don't know if that is true. Taiwan has a special relationship with the US and is looked on very fondly by Americans of all persuasions. So I think many if not most would support serious action in defense of Taiwan.

---

Taiwan's relationship with the US and China is very good as of now. There is no need for us to "defend" Taiwan unless we provoke a Chinese attack on it...which I'm sure some are working hard to do.

---

China has been on a determined path to invade Taiwan for at least 40 years.

Only the US Navy has prevented such an invasion up to this point.

However China has dramatically accelerated their military building program over the last 15 years. At a minimum they are at par with the US in the region of Taiwan.

It has clearly been China doing the provoking in the South China Sea and throughout much of the Far East.

Not the US.

Trump is obviously aware of the situation. A huge reason why he wants peace in Europe and a rebuilding of the US economy.

---

China and Taiwan are growing closer all the time. Invading would be a logistical nightmare. These are both powerful reasons why China doesn't want war...and why we do.

---

So silly.

Trump does not want a war.

The American people do not want a war.

Even if China invaded Taiwan it is highly unlikely Trump will commit our military into a combat situation where some of its critical supplies come from China.

---

"We" meaning the US as a geopolitical entity. I hope you're right about Trump and, equally important, that he isn't just an anomaly in that respect.

---

You seem to be anxious to portray the US as the agressor in all regions of the world.

We aren't.

Although the US ( Biden Harris ) certainly scewed things up regarding Ukraine.

However in their defense they had a lot of money laudering to cover up.

---

Actively supporting Taiwan independence would make us an aggressor. I'm not saying we're there yet, at least not officially, but we're getting closer.

---

It's funny, really, seeing Sam cast everything in binary terms.

We can prevent China's ambition of regional hegemony without provoking a hot war.

You'd never know that from Sam's screeds.

---

Speaking of binaries, there's a good bit of ground in between being an aggressor and provoking a hot war.

---

Glad you finally caught that, Sam. Your other posts went a different direction.

---

Luckily the Chinese are on their guard against being provoked.

KaiBear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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KaiBear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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KaiBear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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KaiBear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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KaiBear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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KaiBear said:

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trey3216 said:

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KaiBear said:

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whiterock said:

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KaiBear said:

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trey3216 said:

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KaiBear said:

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Unless the US is willing to use nukes; we would be unable to stop China in any invasion of Taiwan.

Far too few ground troops in the region and our supply lines would be thousands of miles long.

Anyone playing internet Rambo and ignoring the tactical realties involved would be best served by never examining a map.

---

China would lose millions of soldiers, tens of thousands of airplanes, and virtually their entire Navy trying to take Taiwan. This isn't the English Channel in 1944. It would be an absolute turkey shoot.

---

Ridiculous

Zero chance China would lose 'millions' of troops. 'Tens of thousands' of planes; or their 'entire navy'.

China has dramatically upgraded their military over the last 10 years.

Same cannot be said for the US.

And again, our supply lines would be unable to keep our forces rapidly resupplied .

---

It is true that China wins almost every war game we run on Taiwan.

---

The only winning move for the US.........

is not to play.

As the American people will NEVER support a war with China over Taiwan.





Period

---

if the American people want to have jobs, computers to help do those jobs, cars to help get them to those jobs, and a host f other things in life, then they'll understand why Taiwan is absolutely an American national security concern.

---

You know; or at least should know…….the American people will not willingly risk their lives in defense of Taiwan.

Regardless whatever reasons the media attempts to sell them.

---

I don't know if that is true. Taiwan has a special relationship with the US and is looked on very fondly by Americans of all persuasions. So I think many if not most would support serious action in defense of Taiwan.

---

Taiwan's relationship with the US and China is very good as of now. There is no need for us to "defend" Taiwan unless we provoke a Chinese attack on it...which I'm sure some are working hard to do.

---

China has been on a determined path to invade Taiwan for at least 40 years.

Only the US Navy has prevented such an invasion up to this point.

However China has dramatically accelerated their military building program over the last 15 years. At a minimum they are at par with the US in the region of Taiwan.

It has clearly been China doing the provoking in the South China Sea and throughout much of the Far East.

Not the US.

Trump is obviously aware of the situation. A huge reason why he wants peace in Europe and a rebuilding of the US economy.

---

China and Taiwan are growing closer all the time. Invading would be a logistical nightmare. These are both powerful reasons why China doesn't want war...and why we do.

---

So silly.

Trump does not want a war.

The American people do not want a war.

Even if China invaded Taiwan it is highly unlikely Trump will commit our military into a combat situation where some of its critical supplies come from China.

---

"We" meaning the US as a geopolitical entity. I hope you're right about Trump and, equally important, that he isn't just an anomaly in that respect.

---

You seem to be anxious to portray the US as the agressor in all regions of the world.

We aren't.

Although the US ( Biden Harris ) certainly scewed things up regarding Ukraine.

However in their defense they had a lot of money laudering to cover up.

---

Actively supporting Taiwan independence would make us an aggressor. I'm not saying we're there yet, at least not officially, but we're getting closer.

---

How in the world would supporting Taiwan independence make the US the aggressor ?

I am not saying we can or should ......however clearly China has repeatedly been the aggressor in this regard.

---

It would threaten the status quo, which both China and Taiwan are reasonably happy with. The United States was reasonably happy with it too until we started our crusade for global "democracy." How well have you seen that working out lately?

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Completely bizzare thought process. The only way the stats quo would be alterred is if China invades Taiwan.

If China invades....which they have been threatening to do for decades.....they would be the aggressors.

Not the US.

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I'm not sure what threats you're talking about. China has no reason to invade unless Taiwan pursues independence. Our support would make that more likely.

Sam Lowry said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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KaiBear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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KaiBear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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KaiBear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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KaiBear said:

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trey3216 said:

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KaiBear said:

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whiterock said:

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KaiBear said:

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trey3216 said:

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KaiBear said:

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Unless the US is willing to use nukes; we would be unable to stop China in any invasion of Taiwan.

Far too few ground troops in the region and our supply lines would be thousands of miles long.

Anyone playing internet Rambo and ignoring the tactical realties involved would be best served by never examining a map.

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China would lose millions of soldiers, tens of thousands of airplanes, and virtually their entire Navy trying to take Taiwan. This isn't the English Channel in 1944. It would be an absolute turkey shoot.

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Ridiculous

Zero chance China would lose 'millions' of troops. 'Tens of thousands' of planes; or their 'entire navy'.

China has dramatically upgraded their military over the last 10 years.

Same cannot be said for the US.

And again, our supply lines would be unable to keep our forces rapidly resupplied .

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It is true that China wins almost every war game we run on Taiwan.

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The only winning move for the US.........

is not to play.

As the American people will NEVER support a war with China over Taiwan.





Period

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if the American people want to have jobs, computers to help do those jobs, cars to help get them to those jobs, and a host f other things in life, then they'll understand why Taiwan is absolutely an American national security concern.

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You know; or at least should know…….the American people will not willingly risk their lives in defense of Taiwan.

Regardless whatever reasons the media attempts to sell them.

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I don't know if that is true. Taiwan has a special relationship with the US and is looked on very fondly by Americans of all persuasions. So I think many if not most would support serious action in defense of Taiwan.

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Taiwan's relationship with the US and China is very good as of now. There is no need for us to "defend" Taiwan unless we provoke a Chinese attack on it...which I'm sure some are working hard to do.

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China has been on a determined path to invade Taiwan for at least 40 years.

Only the US Navy has prevented such an invasion up to this point.

However China has dramatically accelerated their military building program over the last 15 years. At a minimum they are at par with the US in the region of Taiwan.

It has clearly been China doing the provoking in the South China Sea and throughout much of the Far East.

Not the US.

Trump is obviously aware of the situation. A huge reason why he wants peace in Europe and a rebuilding of the US economy.

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China and Taiwan are growing closer all the time. Invading would be a logistical nightmare. These are both powerful reasons why China doesn't want war...and why we do.

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So silly.

Trump does not want a war.

The American people do not want a war.

Even if China invaded Taiwan it is highly unlikely Trump will commit our military into a combat situation where some of its critical supplies come from China.

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"We" meaning the US as a geopolitical entity. I hope you're right about Trump and, equally important, that he isn't just an anomaly in that respect.

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You seem to be anxious to portray the US as the agressor in all regions of the world.

We aren't.

Although the US ( Biden Harris ) certainly scewed things up regarding Ukraine.

However in their defense they had a lot of money laudering to cover up.

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Actively supporting Taiwan independence would make us an aggressor. I'm not saying we're there yet, at least not officially, but we're getting closer.

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It's funny, really, seeing Sam cast everything in binary terms.

We can prevent China's ambition of regional hegemony without provoking a hot war.

You'd never know that from Sam's screeds.

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Speaking of binaries, there's a good bit of ground in between being an aggressor and provoking a hot war.

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Glad you finally caught that, Sam. Your other posts went a different direction.

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Luckily the Chinese are on their guard against being provoked.

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You would only believe that if you smoked your lunch.

Taiwan is officially part of China. Invading would certainly change the status quo, as would supporting independence.