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Removal if U.S. Agrees
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"On April 2, 2025, Canada announced its willingness to remove tariffs on U.S. imports if the United States reciprocates by removing its tariffs on Canadian goods. This statement was supported by Ontario Premier Doug Ford, who expressed readiness to drop all tariffs immediately if the U.S. agrees to do the same. The proposal comes amidst ongoing trade discussions, highlighting Canada's proactive approach to improving trade relations with the U.S."

Is this winning?

LIB,MR BEARS said:

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Removal if U.S. Agrees
Last updated
32 minutes ago
"On April 2, 2025, Canada announced its willingness to remove tariffs on U.S. imports if the United States reciprocates by removing its tariffs on Canadian goods. This statement was supported by Ontario Premier Doug Ford, who expressed readiness to drop all tariffs immediately if the U.S. agrees to do the same. The proposal comes amidst ongoing trade discussions, highlighting Canada's proactive approach to improving trade relations with the U.S."

Is this winning?

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Ding Ding! Exactly what Trump predicted.

Its amazing how educated people think the greatest economic and military superpower on Earth has no leverage.....


That Canada and Mexico would actually dare get into a trade war with America (one that would impoverish them in weeks)

LIB,MR BEARS said:

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Removal if U.S. Agrees
Last updated
32 minutes ago
"On April 2, 2025, Canada announced its willingness to remove tariffs on U.S. imports if the United States reciprocates by removing its tariffs on Canadian goods. This statement was supported by Ontario Premier Doug Ford, who expressed readiness to drop all tariffs immediately if the U.S. agrees to do the same. The proposal comes amidst ongoing trade discussions, highlighting Canada's proactive approach to improving trade relations with the U.S."

Is this winning?

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Doug Ford, as the Premier of Ontario, does not have the authority to negotiate tariffs with the United States. In Canada, the power to negotiate international trade agreements, including tariffs, rests exclusively with the federal government under the Constitution Act, 1867,…

— Roger Fields (@rogerfields120) April 2, 2025

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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Removal if U.S. Agrees
Last updated
32 minutes ago
"On April 2, 2025, Canada announced its willingness to remove tariffs on U.S. imports if the United States reciprocates by removing its tariffs on Canadian goods. This statement was supported by Ontario Premier Doug Ford, who expressed readiness to drop all tariffs immediately if the U.S. agrees to do the same. The proposal comes amidst ongoing trade discussions, highlighting Canada's proactive approach to improving trade relations with the U.S."

Is this winning?

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Ding Ding! Exactly what Trump predicted.

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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Removal if U.S. Agrees
Last updated
32 minutes ago
"On April 2, 2025, Canada announced its willingness to remove tariffs on U.S. imports if the United States reciprocates by removing its tariffs on Canadian goods. This statement was supported by Ontario Premier Doug Ford, who expressed readiness to drop all tariffs immediately if the U.S. agrees to do the same. The proposal comes amidst ongoing trade discussions, highlighting Canada's proactive approach to improving trade relations with the U.S."

Is this winning?

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Nope. It doesn't fit the template.

Redbrickbear said:

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Its amazing how educated people think the greatest economic and military superpower on Earth has no leverage.....


That Canada and Mexico would actually dare get into a trade war with America (one that would impoverish them in weeks)

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That exact point has blown my mind throughout this entire tariff discussion. How do people not expect that mostly what will happen here is capitulation of prior predatory tariff regimes against us? Excuse me, Mr. Canada/Mexico/China, would you prefer to (i) drop your previous one-sided tariff regime or (ii) get into a trade war with the US? Duh...

It's part and parcel of the general devaluation of ourselves over the last decade or two.

Robert Wilson said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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Its amazing how educated people think the greatest economic and military superpower on Earth has no leverage.....


That Canada and Mexico would actually dare get into a trade war with America (one that would impoverish them in weeks)

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That exact point has blown my mind throughout this entire tariff discussion. How do people not expect that mostly what will happen here is capitulation of prior predatory tariff regimes against us? Excuse me, Mr. Canada/Mexico/China, would you prefer to (i) drop your previous one-sided tariff regime or (ii) get into a trade war with the US? Duh...

It's part and parcel of the general devaluation of ourselves over the last decade or two.

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Canada/ Mexico and China are not the same. A targeted rifle approach is good. A blanket, across the board shotgun approach will ultimately lower our standard of living as well as increase our cost of living. It will eventually raise the standard living in all the countries that Trump says have been "treating us so badly.". Perhaps in the long-run, that will be a positive. But it certainly doesn't reflect AMERICA FIRST. Actually, just the opposite.

Redbrickbear said:

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Its amazing how educated people think the greatest economic and military superpower on Earth has no leverage.....


That Canada and Mexico would actually dare get into a trade war with America (one that would impoverish them in weeks)

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The US will suffer some as well .

However Canada and Mexico have to level the playing field.

muddybrazos said:

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J.R. said:

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just stupid and foolish. All you Trumpians want prices to increase. It is painfully simple. Tariffs are a tax on the consumer, period. Yall can rationalize any way you want. Bad for Mercans. He will blink again. He's getting a ton of heat.

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What if we dont buy much of anything foreign? I buy beef from America, bourbon from Kentucky, wine from Cali and Oregon, gas from circle k, shrimp from the shrimp boat in my town etc. I do buy avocados from costco but have not seen the prices go up on them.

Also, what if all this tariff stuf is just a bluff from Trump to get a conession before the tariffs take effect?

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Unless you walk around naked without any technology, you buy imported items.

Redbrickbear said:

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Its amazing how educated people think the greatest economic and military superpower on Earth has no leverage.....


That Canada and Mexico would actually dare get into a trade war with America (one that would impoverish them in weeks)

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Shortsightedness. The world is beginning to look at other business relationships for military equipment, airplanes, beef, and grain. Those relationships are hard to build and impossible to get back.

So, even when things return to normal, our friends will not trust or rely on us.

Was watching CNBC this morning per the usual and the had Dallas's own Ron Kirk on discussing the impending tariffs. This is not meant to be a tribal Maga v. woke lefty discussion. Ron is a democrat in the like of Clinton (best comparison I could think of) mold. I just found him to be very genuine with no hidden agenda and just stated his position as a former trade official in the govt post Dallas Mayor. He just came across as pragmatic, not argumentative , no chit slinging , no us vs. them, no negative emotions , no trashing people. I just found it to be refreshing and made me yearn for the days of yore when moderate dems and moderate r's could both be that way and work together, whilst having their own principles, whatever they may have been. Man, have we just nuked the centrists in this country on both sides. Ron lives across the street from my assistant,, so I have spent a little time with him and Matrice and they are very fine people. Just my take.

RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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Robert Wilson said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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Its amazing how educated people think the greatest economic and military superpower on Earth has no leverage.....


That Canada and Mexico would actually dare get into a trade war with America (one that would impoverish them in weeks)

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That exact point has blown my mind throughout this entire tariff discussion. How do people not expect that mostly what will happen here is capitulation of prior predatory tariff regimes against us? Excuse me, Mr. Canada/Mexico/China, would you prefer to (i) drop your previous one-sided tariff regime or (ii) get into a trade war with the US? Duh...

It's part and parcel of the general devaluation of ourselves over the last decade or two.

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Canada/ Mexico and China are not the same. A targeted rifle approach is good. A blanket, across the board shotgun approach will ultimately lower our standard of living as well as increase our cost of living. It will eventually raise the standard living in all the countries that Trump says have been "treating us so badly.". Perhaps in the long-run, that will be a positive. But it certainly doesn't reflect AMERICA FIRST. Actually, just the opposite.

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It has been targeted. It's changing per country per day per industry/etc. Not only is it targeted, it's dynamic and fluid.

J.R. said:

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Was watching CNBC this morning per the usual and the had Dallas's own Ron Kirk on discussing the impending tariffs. This is not meant to be a tribal Maga v. woke lefty discussion. Ron is a democrat in the like of Clinton (best comparison I could think of) mold. I just found him to be very genuine with no hidden agenda and just stated his position as a former trade official in the govt post Dallas Mayor. He just came across as pragmatic, not argumentative , no chit slinging , no us vs. them, no negative emotions , no trashing people. I just found it to be refreshing and made me yearn for the days of yore when moderate dems and moderate r's could both be that way and work together, whilst having their own principles, whatever they may have been. Man, have we just nuked the centrists in this country on both sides. Ron lives across the street from my assistant,, so I have spent a little time with him and Matrice and they are very fine people. Just my take.

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J.R. said:

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Was watching CNBC this morning per the usual and the had Dallas's own Ron Kirk on discussing the impending tariffs. This is not meant to be a tribal Maga v. woke lefty discussion. Ron is a democrat in the like of Clinton (best comparison I could think of) mold. I just found him to be very genuine with no hidden agenda and just stated his position as a former trade official in the govt post Dallas Mayor. He just came across as pragmatic, not argumentative , no chit slinging , no us vs. them, no negative emotions , no trashing people. I just found it to be refreshing and made me yearn for the days of yore when moderate dems and moderate r's could both be that way and work together, whilst having their own principles, whatever they may have been. Man, have we just nuked the centrists in this country on both sides. Ron lives across the street from my assistant,, so I have spent a little time with him and Matrice and they are very fine people. Just my take.

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The current Dallas Mayor, Eric Johnson is in the same vein. He was a former Democrat who became a Republican two years ago due to liberal agenda items that he disagreed with

J.R. said:

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Was watching CNBC this morning per the usual and the had Dallas's own Ron Kirk on discussing the impending tariffs. This is not meant to be a tribal Maga v. woke lefty discussion. Ron is a democrat in the like of Clinton (best comparison I could think of) mold. I just found him to be very genuine with no hidden agenda and just stated his position as a former trade official in the govt post Dallas Mayor. He just came across as pragmatic, not argumentative , no chit slinging , no us vs. them, no negative emotions , no trashing people. I just found it to be refreshing and made me yearn for the days of yore when moderate dems and moderate r's could both be that way and work together, whilst having their own principles, whatever they may have been. Man, have we just nuked the centrists in this country on both sides. Ron lives across the street from my assistant,, so I have spent a little time with him and Matrice and they are very fine people. Just my take.

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I've worked with Ron. Great dude. Agree it's a real shame to see those guys disappear from the scene. 2 parties plus a party-specific primary system...

Mitch Blood Green said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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Its amazing how educated people think the greatest economic and military superpower on Earth has no leverage.....


That Canada and Mexico would actually dare get into a trade war with America (one that would impoverish them in weeks)

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Shortsightedness. The world is beginning to look at other business relationships for military equipment, airplanes, beef, and grain. Those relationships are hard to build and impossible to get back.

So, even when things return to normal, our friends will not trust or rely on us.

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Because we pushed back against imbalanced tariff systems? That's what codependents say to justify all sorts of abuse.

Breaking News! A district court judge in Rhode Island has put a temporary restraining order on Canada to keep the tariffs as they are until they can review all the details.

stephen moore on glenn beck this AM:

agreed that team trump has not messaged this very well - and should heave the kept the focus on getting tax cuts renewed before the don quixote redux..........

https://www.iheart.com/content/2025-04-02-175-the-glenn-beck-program-how-the-white-house-should-explain-trumps-tariff/

- el KKM

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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Its amazing how educated people think the greatest economic and military superpower on Earth has no leverage.....


That Canada and Mexico would actually dare get into a trade war with America (one that would impoverish them in weeks)

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Shortsightedness. The world is beginning to look at other business relationships for military equipment, airplanes, beef, and grain. Those relationships are hard to build and impossible to get back.

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The rest of the world can get into bed with the Communist Dragon in Beijing if they want (they will regret it)

But Canada and Mexico will never find a trading partner with as low costs and with as good a temperament as their next door neighbor the USA

Robert Wilson said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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Robert Wilson said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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Its amazing how educated people think the greatest economic and military superpower on Earth has no leverage.....


That Canada and Mexico would actually dare get into a trade war with America (one that would impoverish them in weeks)

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That exact point has blown my mind throughout this entire tariff discussion. How do people not expect that mostly what will happen here is capitulation of prior predatory tariff regimes against us? Excuse me, Mr. Canada/Mexico/China, would you prefer to (i) drop your previous one-sided tariff regime or (ii) get into a trade war with the US? Duh...

It's part and parcel of the general devaluation of ourselves over the last decade or two.

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Canada/ Mexico and China are not the same. A targeted rifle approach is good. A blanket, across the board shotgun approach will ultimately lower our standard of living as well as increase our cost of living. It will eventually raise the standard living in all the countries that Trump says have been "treating us so badly.". Perhaps in the long-run, that will be a positive. But it certainly doesn't reflect AMERICA FIRST. Actually, just the opposite.

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It has been targeted. It's changing per country per day per industry/etc. Not only is it targeted, it's dynamic and fluid.

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I hope you are right.

RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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Robert Wilson said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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Its amazing how educated people think the greatest economic and military superpower on Earth has no leverage.....


That Canada and Mexico would actually dare get into a trade war with America (one that would impoverish them in weeks)

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That exact point has blown my mind throughout this entire tariff discussion. How do people not expect that mostly what will happen here is capitulation of prior predatory tariff regimes against us? Excuse me, Mr. Canada/Mexico/China, would you prefer to (i) drop your previous one-sided tariff regime or (ii) get into a trade war with the US? Duh...

It's part and parcel of the general devaluation of ourselves over the last decade or two.

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Canada/ Mexico and China are not the same. A targeted rifle approach is good. A blanket, across the board shotgun approach will ultimately lower our standard of living as well as increase our cost of living. It will eventually raise the standard living in all the countries that Trump says have been "treating us so badly.". Perhaps in the long-run, that will be a positive. But it certainly doesn't reflect AMERICA FIRST. Actually, just the opposite.

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"I only have a pair of 4s. I should just fold now even though I have an enormous stack of chips that Mr Canada and Mr Mexico want. Their stacks are pretty small and they really have no options but to fold or go all in. I'll continue to ante up, hand after hand, fold after fold and watch my enormous stack dwindle until I'm dealt 4 Aces."
RD2CAVEAGAIN

LIB,MR BEARS said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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Robert Wilson said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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Its amazing how educated people think the greatest economic and military superpower on Earth has no leverage.....


That Canada and Mexico would actually dare get into a trade war with America (one that would impoverish them in weeks)

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That exact point has blown my mind throughout this entire tariff discussion. How do people not expect that mostly what will happen here is capitulation of prior predatory tariff regimes against us? Excuse me, Mr. Canada/Mexico/China, would you prefer to (i) drop your previous one-sided tariff regime or (ii) get into a trade war with the US? Duh...

It's part and parcel of the general devaluation of ourselves over the last decade or two.

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Canada/ Mexico and China are not the same. A targeted rifle approach is good. A blanket, across the board shotgun approach will ultimately lower our standard of living as well as increase our cost of living. It will eventually raise the standard living in all the countries that Trump says have been "treating us so badly.". Perhaps in the long-run, that will be a positive. But it certainly doesn't reflect AMERICA FIRST. Actually, just the opposite.

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"I only have a pair of 4s. I should just fold now even though I have an enormous stack of chips that Mr Canada and Mr Mexico want. Their stacks are pretty small and they really have no options but to fold or go all in. I'll continue to ante up, hand after hand, fold after fold and watch my enormous stack dwindle until I'm dealt 4 Aces."
RD2CAVEAGAIN

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You and I just see it differently. And that is okay. I don't think international trade is a zero sum game.

I just don't think a "we win and screw everyone else" as an effective strategy at this point. We shall see.

The problem is believing we have tariffs of any significance in Canada and Mexico on our goods, and that making the schemes equal would have any material impact on US economic opportunity. Literally less than 2% of the import value of US goods imported into Canada.

The real irony was that Canada collected more tariffs in March than they had in decades due to the matching of Trump's punitive tariffs.

I have to ask. Why are we protecting auto and steel workers, two labor types that are becoming obsolete? This is like protecting buggy whip makers as Henry Ford was ramping up.

RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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Robert Wilson said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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Its amazing how educated people think the greatest economic and military superpower on Earth has no leverage.....


That Canada and Mexico would actually dare get into a trade war with America (one that would impoverish them in weeks)

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That exact point has blown my mind throughout this entire tariff discussion. How do people not expect that mostly what will happen here is capitulation of prior predatory tariff regimes against us? Excuse me, Mr. Canada/Mexico/China, would you prefer to (i) drop your previous one-sided tariff regime or (ii) get into a trade war with the US? Duh...

It's part and parcel of the general devaluation of ourselves over the last decade or two.

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Canada/ Mexico and China are not the same. A targeted rifle approach is good. A blanket, across the board shotgun approach will ultimately lower our standard of living as well as increase our cost of living. It will eventually raise the standard living in all the countries that Trump says have been "treating us so badly.". Perhaps in the long-run, that will be a positive. But it certainly doesn't reflect AMERICA FIRST. Actually, just the opposite.

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"I only have a pair of 4s. I should just fold now even though I have an enormous stack of chips that Mr Canada and Mr Mexico want. Their stacks are pretty small and they really have no options but to fold or go all in. I'll continue to ante up, hand after hand, fold after fold and watch my enormous stack dwindle until I'm dealt 4 Aces."
RD2CAVEAGAIN

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You and I just see it differently. And that is okay. I don't think international trade is a zero sum game.

I just don't think a "we win and screw everyone else" as an effective strategy at this point. We shall see.

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right now, it is the American consumer that is getting screwed.

If Trump's threats of reciprocal tariffs causes a country to reduce or remove the tariffs, how is that hurting anyone?

I don't think trump has any intention of keeping tariffs as a revenue center for the country regardless of what he says. I think his bluster is part of the poker game

Redbrickbear said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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Its amazing how educated people think the greatest economic and military superpower on Earth has no leverage.....


That Canada and Mexico would actually dare get into a trade war with America (one that would impoverish them in weeks)

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Shortsightedness. The world is beginning to look at other business relationships for military equipment, airplanes, beef, and grain. Those relationships are hard to build and impossible to get back.

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The rest of the world can get into bed with the Communist Dragon in Beijing if they want (they will regret it)

But Canada and Mexico will never find a trading partner with as low costs and with as good a temperament as their next door neighbor the USA

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Those aren't the only options. They can buy an F35 or they can buy a Rafale. They can buy Boeing or Airbus. They can buy American beef or Brazilian beef (once you get over the cow speaking Portuguese, the meat is ok). You can go to Disney Orlando or Disney Paris.

The other countries can do business with each other. And it will be hard for our companies to get those markets back.

If sides don't blink on this, there's going to be a real global economic problem. And the 25% auto tariff (which is outside the other tariffs) is a horrible decision. And when I say blink I mean sides reduce tariffs on each other instead of escalating.

The fact he invoked the 1880s economic era as a positive is straight madness. The infamous McKinley tariffs set up the robber barons and drove the U.S. into a massive depression.

That's great...but will the American cars have a similar reliability to Toyota at a somewhat similar price point.

I never buy brand new cars. I buy used cars and drive them until they turn to dust....so reliability is a big part of my purchase decision.

I realize this varies person to person. Some people like to buy new and constantly upgrade.

JUST IN: 🇺🇸 President Trump says purchasing a car made in America will get you a tax deduction.

— Remarks (@remarks) April 2, 2025

Time to update the scorecard...keep the eraser handy

JUST IN: 🇨🇦🇲🇽 Canada and Mexico exempt from reciprocal tariffs for now.

— Watcher.Guru (@WatcherGuru) April 2, 2025

boognish_bear said:

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Time to update the scorecard...keep the eraser handy

JUST IN: 🇨🇦🇲🇽 Canada and Mexico exempt from reciprocal tariffs for now.

— Watcher.Guru (@WatcherGuru) April 2, 2025

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That's interesting!

The hypocrisy of the left is laughable. pic.twitter.com/qXpnP87ex4

— Harry P. Ness (@TyroneGoldstei3) April 2, 2025