April 2nd Reciprocal Tariffs

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they are doing very well indeed.
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I am puzzled by this. In recent weeks, Donald Trump has told us repeatedly that we are living in the greatest economy in the history of the World. So which one is it?
Call it a tax, the people are outraged! Call it a tariff, the people get out their checkbooks and wave their American flags!!!
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Redbrickbear said:


Interesting developments. President Autopen wouldn't even have been informed of such. BTW, AI is short for Authentic Idiocy.
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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

Redbrickbear said:



I am puzzled by this. In recent weeks, Donald Trump has told us repeatedly that we are living in the greatest economy in the history of the World. So which one is it?

"An unexamined life is not worth living." - Socrates
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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

Redbrickbear said:



I am puzzled by this. In recent weeks, Donald Trump has told us repeatedly that we are living in the greatest economy in the history of the World. So which one is it?

best economy that has ever been on the face of the earth, I tell ya.
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Assassin said:

RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

Redbrickbear said:



I am puzzled by this. In recent weeks, Donald Trump has told us repeatedly that we are living in the greatest economy in the history of the World. So which one is it?



Cute rebuttal. But not a lot of substance. What say you, Assassin? Is the economy struggling or is it the bestest economy ever in history? Which one is it? I look forward to your most polite and eloquent response.
Call it a tax, the people are outraged! Call it a tariff, the people get out their checkbooks and wave their American flags!!!
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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

Assassin said:

RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

Redbrickbear said:



I am puzzled by this. In recent weeks, Donald Trump has told us repeatedly that we are living in the greatest economy in the history of the World. So which one is it?



Cute rebuttal. But not a lot of substance. What say you, Assassin? Is the economy struggling or is it the bestest economy ever in history? Which one is it? I look forward to your most polite and eloquent response.

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Sounds like you're one of those guys who watches MSNBC and believes there were millions at those 'No Kings' rallies
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J.R. said:

RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

Redbrickbear said:



I am puzzled by this. In recent weeks, Donald Trump has told us repeatedly that we are living in the greatest economy in the history of the World. So which one is it?

best economy that has ever been on the face of the earth, I tell ya.


He is right in one respect, nobodies ever seen anything like it...
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Maybe your answer will be better than Assassin's painfully weak response. Is the economy weak or is it the best economy in the history of the world? Which one is it? It can't be both. (This should be good)
Call it a tax, the people are outraged! Call it a tariff, the people get out their checkbooks and wave their American flags!!!
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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

Maybe your answer will be better than Assassin's painfully weak response. Is the economy weak or is it the best economy in the history of the world? Which one is it? It can't be both. (This should be good)


You present a false contention, R2. And you are smart enough to know that. It's neither.

Show me you want a conversation and I'll play, but if you are crapping in your hand and throwing it, you are all by yourself, sir.
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boognish_bear said:



This is not unusual and it is usually related more toward quality control than anything else. To produce at scale with the Quality checks built into the system, many industries have limited companies that can do it. The question is do you want more points of entry into the food stream?
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FLBear5630 said:

J.R. said:

RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

Redbrickbear said:



I am puzzled by this. In recent weeks, Donald Trump has told us repeatedly that we are living in the greatest economy in the history of the World. So which one is it?

best economy that has ever been on the face of the earth, I tell ya.

He is right in one respect, nobodies ever seen anything like it...

We are living in the greatest global economy the world has ever seen. Yet you are not seeing it. And you are right with your unintended sarcasm, nobody has ever seen anything like it.
"An unexamined life is not worth living." - Socrates
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Assassin said:

FLBear5630 said:

J.R. said:

RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

Redbrickbear said:



I am puzzled by this. In recent weeks, Donald Trump has told us repeatedly that we are living in the greatest economy in the history of the World. So which one is it?

best economy that has ever been on the face of the earth, I tell ya.

He is right in one respect, nobodies ever seen anything like it...

We are living in the greatest global economy the world has ever seen. Yet you are not seeing it. And you are right with your unintended sarcasm, nobody has ever seen anything like it.

You keep believing. Hopefully, the US economy can survive Trump, Biden, and now Trump again...

I really don't know how anyone can put any faith in Trump look at US debt when he came in office in 2016 and when he left in 2020. On t op of that gut punch, Biden upped him. Trump 2? I hope we survive intact.

2015 $18,151 100% Fiscal Cliff (we thought)
2016 $19,573 105% Obama Leaves Office
2017 $20,245 104%Trump
2018 $21,516 105%Trump
2019 $22,719 107%Trump
2020 $27,748 129%Trump Leaves Offce
2021 $29,617 124% Biden
2022 $31,420 119% Biden
2023 $34,001 122% Biden
2024 $35,000 122% Biden Leaves Office
2025 $37,000 122%Trump

It ain't going down... Obama, Trump, Biden all the same when it comes to spending.
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FLBear5630 said:

Assassin said:

FLBear5630 said:

J.R. said:

RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

Redbrickbear said:



I am puzzled by this. In recent weeks, Donald Trump has told us repeatedly that we are living in the greatest economy in the history of the World. So which one is it?

best economy that has ever been on the face of the earth, I tell ya.

He is right in one respect, nobodies ever seen anything like it...

We are living in the greatest global economy the world has ever seen. Yet you are not seeing it. And you are right with your unintended sarcasm, nobody has ever seen anything like it.

You keep believing. Hopefully, the US economy can survive Trump, Biden, and now Trump again...

I really don't know how anyone can put any faith in Trump look at US debt when he came in office in 2016 and when he left in 2020. On t op of that gut punch, Biden upped him. Trump 2? I hope we survive intact.

2015 $18,151 100% Fiscal Cliff (we thought)
2016 $19,573 105% Obama Leaves Office
2017 $20,245 104%Trump
2018 $21,516 105%Trump
2019 $22,719 107%Trump
2020 $27,748 129%Trump Leaves Offce
2021 $29,617 124% Biden
2022 $31,420 119% Biden
2023 $34,001 122% Biden
2024 $35,000 122% Biden Leaves Office
2025 $37,000 122%Trump

It ain't going down... Obama, Trump, Biden all the same when it comes to spending.

You have to give him time. What he is doing is revolutionary. Give it a chance
"An unexamined life is not worth living." - Socrates
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Assassin said:

FLBear5630 said:

Assassin said:

FLBear5630 said:

J.R. said:

RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

Redbrickbear said:



I am puzzled by this. In recent weeks, Donald Trump has told us repeatedly that we are living in the greatest economy in the history of the World. So which one is it?

best economy that has ever been on the face of the earth, I tell ya.

He is right in one respect, nobodies ever seen anything like it...

We are living in the greatest global economy the world has ever seen. Yet you are not seeing it. And you are right with your unintended sarcasm, nobody has ever seen anything like it.

You keep believing. Hopefully, the US economy can survive Trump, Biden, and now Trump again...

I really don't know how anyone can put any faith in Trump look at US debt when he came in office in 2016 and when he left in 2020. On t op of that gut punch, Biden upped him. Trump 2? I hope we survive intact.

2015 $18,151 100% Fiscal Cliff (we thought)
2016 $19,573 105% Obama Leaves Office
2017 $20,245 104%Trump
2018 $21,516 105%Trump
2019 $22,719 107%Trump
2020 $27,748 129%Trump Leaves Offce
2021 $29,617 124% Biden
2022 $31,420 119% Biden
2023 $34,001 122% Biden
2024 $35,000 122% Biden Leaves Office
2025 $37,000 122%Trump

It ain't going down... Obama, Trump, Biden all the same when it comes to spending.

You have to give him time. What he is doing is revolutionary. Give it a chance

He was there for 4 years and it went from 105% of GDP to 129%. So, sorry if I am skeptical.

Will be interesting how this plays out. Senate passed bill ending tariff's on Canada and Brazil, GOP members crossed over.
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FLBear5630 said:

Assassin said:

FLBear5630 said:

Assassin said:

FLBear5630 said:

J.R. said:

RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

Redbrickbear said:



I am puzzled by this. In recent weeks, Donald Trump has told us repeatedly that we are living in the greatest economy in the history of the World. So which one is it?

best economy that has ever been on the face of the earth, I tell ya.

He is right in one respect, nobodies ever seen anything like it...

We are living in the greatest global economy the world has ever seen. Yet you are not seeing it. And you are right with your unintended sarcasm, nobody has ever seen anything like it.

You keep believing. Hopefully, the US economy can survive Trump, Biden, and now Trump again...

I really don't know how anyone can put any faith in Trump look at US debt when he came in office in 2016 and when he left in 2020. On t op of that gut punch, Biden upped him. Trump 2? I hope we survive intact.

2015 $18,151 100% Fiscal Cliff (we thought)
2016 $19,573 105% Obama Leaves Office
2017 $20,245 104%Trump
2018 $21,516 105%Trump
2019 $22,719 107%Trump
2020 $27,748 129%Trump Leaves Offce
2021 $29,617 124% Biden
2022 $31,420 119% Biden
2023 $34,001 122% Biden
2024 $35,000 122% Biden Leaves Office
2025 $37,000 122%Trump

It ain't going down... Obama, Trump, Biden all the same when it comes to spending.

You have to give him time. What he is doing is revolutionary. Give it a chance

He was there for 4 years and it went from 105% of GDP to 129%. So, sorry if I am skeptical.

Will be interesting how this plays out. Senate passed bill ending tariff's on Canada and Brazil, GOP members crossed over.

Bookmark this thread and lets talk in a year from now

BTW - Passage of the measure is a symbolic victory for critics of Trump's trade policies, but it will have little practical effect as Speaker Mike Johnson (R-La.) is unlikely to bring it up for a vote in the House and Trump is certain to veto anything that curtails his power.
"An unexamined life is not worth living." - Socrates
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"An unexamined life is not worth living." - Socrates
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Assassin said:

FLBear5630 said:

Assassin said:

FLBear5630 said:

Assassin said:

FLBear5630 said:

J.R. said:

RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

Redbrickbear said:



I am puzzled by this. In recent weeks, Donald Trump has told us repeatedly that we are living in the greatest economy in the history of the World. So which one is it?

best economy that has ever been on the face of the earth, I tell ya.

He is right in one respect, nobodies ever seen anything like it...

We are living in the greatest global economy the world has ever seen. Yet you are not seeing it. And you are right with your unintended sarcasm, nobody has ever seen anything like it.

You keep believing. Hopefully, the US economy can survive Trump, Biden, and now Trump again...

I really don't know how anyone can put any faith in Trump look at US debt when he came in office in 2016 and when he left in 2020. On t op of that gut punch, Biden upped him. Trump 2? I hope we survive intact.

2015 $18,151 100% Fiscal Cliff (we thought)
2016 $19,573 105% Obama Leaves Office
2017 $20,245 104%Trump
2018 $21,516 105%Trump
2019 $22,719 107%Trump
2020 $27,748 129%Trump Leaves Offce
2021 $29,617 124% Biden
2022 $31,420 119% Biden
2023 $34,001 122% Biden
2024 $35,000 122% Biden Leaves Office
2025 $37,000 122%Trump

It ain't going down... Obama, Trump, Biden all the same when it comes to spending.

You have to give him time. What he is doing is revolutionary. Give it a chance

He was there for 4 years and it went from 105% of GDP to 129%. So, sorry if I am skeptical.

Will be interesting how this plays out. Senate passed bill ending tariff's on Canada and Brazil, GOP members crossed over.

Bookmark this thread and lets talk in a year from now

BTW - Passage of the measure is a symbolic victory for critics of Trump's trade policies, but it will have little practical effect as Speaker Mike Johnson (R-La.) is unlikely to bring it up for a vote in the House and Trump is certain to veto anything that curtails his power.

the Senate bill did not end the tariffs. it removed the statutory authority for a POTUS to make emergency declarations to impose them. which of course implicitly undercuts the position of everyone who says the tariffs are not legal. If they were illegal, why would the Senate bother to change the law?

And, notably, an amendment to a statute has to also pass the House (which is unlikely to bring it up for a vote) and then get signed by the POTUS, who will most certainly veto it.
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Assassin said:

FLBear5630 said:

Assassin said:

FLBear5630 said:

Assassin said:

FLBear5630 said:

J.R. said:

RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

Redbrickbear said:



I am puzzled by this. In recent weeks, Donald Trump has told us repeatedly that we are living in the greatest economy in the history of the World. So which one is it?

best economy that has ever been on the face of the earth, I tell ya.

He is right in one respect, nobodies ever seen anything like it...

We are living in the greatest global economy the world has ever seen. Yet you are not seeing it. And you are right with your unintended sarcasm, nobody has ever seen anything like it.

You keep believing. Hopefully, the US economy can survive Trump, Biden, and now Trump again...

I really don't know how anyone can put any faith in Trump look at US debt when he came in office in 2016 and when he left in 2020. On t op of that gut punch, Biden upped him. Trump 2? I hope we survive intact.

2015 $18,151 100% Fiscal Cliff (we thought)
2016 $19,573 105% Obama Leaves Office
2017 $20,245 104%Trump
2018 $21,516 105%Trump
2019 $22,719 107%Trump
2020 $27,748 129%Trump Leaves Offce
2021 $29,617 124% Biden
2022 $31,420 119% Biden
2023 $34,001 122% Biden
2024 $35,000 122% Biden Leaves Office
2025 $37,000 122%Trump

It ain't going down... Obama, Trump, Biden all the same when it comes to spending.

You have to give him time. What he is doing is revolutionary. Give it a chance

He was there for 4 years and it went from 105% of GDP to 129%. So, sorry if I am skeptical.

Will be interesting how this plays out. Senate passed bill ending tariff's on Canada and Brazil, GOP members crossed over.

Bookmark this thread and lets talk in a year from now

BTW - Passage of the measure is a symbolic victory for critics of Trump's trade policies, but it will have little practical effect as Speaker Mike Johnson (R-La.) is unlikely to bring it up for a vote in the House and Trump is certain to veto anything that curtails his power.

True, but it sends a message that GOP, or more accurately MAGA, better keep the House in a year. It is not a slam dunk.
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whiterock said:

Assassin said:

FLBear5630 said:

Assassin said:

FLBear5630 said:

Assassin said:

FLBear5630 said:

J.R. said:

RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

Redbrickbear said:



I am puzzled by this. In recent weeks, Donald Trump has told us repeatedly that we are living in the greatest economy in the history of the World. So which one is it?

best economy that has ever been on the face of the earth, I tell ya.

He is right in one respect, nobodies ever seen anything like it...

We are living in the greatest global economy the world has ever seen. Yet you are not seeing it. And you are right with your unintended sarcasm, nobody has ever seen anything like it.

You keep believing. Hopefully, the US economy can survive Trump, Biden, and now Trump again...

I really don't know how anyone can put any faith in Trump look at US debt when he came in office in 2016 and when he left in 2020. On t op of that gut punch, Biden upped him. Trump 2? I hope we survive intact.

2015 $18,151 100% Fiscal Cliff (we thought)
2016 $19,573 105% Obama Leaves Office
2017 $20,245 104%Trump
2018 $21,516 105%Trump
2019 $22,719 107%Trump
2020 $27,748 129%Trump Leaves Offce
2021 $29,617 124% Biden
2022 $31,420 119% Biden
2023 $34,001 122% Biden
2024 $35,000 122% Biden Leaves Office
2025 $37,000 122%Trump

It ain't going down... Obama, Trump, Biden all the same when it comes to spending.

You have to give him time. What he is doing is revolutionary. Give it a chance

He was there for 4 years and it went from 105% of GDP to 129%. So, sorry if I am skeptical.

Will be interesting how this plays out. Senate passed bill ending tariff's on Canada and Brazil, GOP members crossed over.

Bookmark this thread and lets talk in a year from now

BTW - Passage of the measure is a symbolic victory for critics of Trump's trade policies, but it will have little practical effect as Speaker Mike Johnson (R-La.) is unlikely to bring it up for a vote in the House and Trump is certain to veto anything that curtails his power.

the Senate bill did not end the tariffs. it removed the statutory authority for a POTUS to make emergency declarations to impose them. which of course implicitly undercuts the position of everyone who says the tariffs are not legal. If they were illegal, why would the Senate bother to change the law?

And, notably, an amendment to a statute has to also pass the House (which is unlikely to bring it up for a vote) and then get signed by the POTUS, who will most certainly veto it.

Good point, Part One. Maybe we will see "I was wrong" here from all the folks retracting their "Tariffs are illegal" statements. Count on it!
"An unexamined life is not worth living." - Socrates
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boognish_bear said:




Another big peace of the Trump puzzle, now in place.

Amazing to watch this guy.
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whiterock said:

Assassin said:

FLBear5630 said:

Assassin said:

FLBear5630 said:

Assassin said:

FLBear5630 said:

J.R. said:

RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

Redbrickbear said:



I am puzzled by this. In recent weeks, Donald Trump has told us repeatedly that we are living in the greatest economy in the history of the World. So which one is it?

best economy that has ever been on the face of the earth, I tell ya.

He is right in one respect, nobodies ever seen anything like it...

We are living in the greatest global economy the world has ever seen. Yet you are not seeing it. And you are right with your unintended sarcasm, nobody has ever seen anything like it.

You keep believing. Hopefully, the US economy can survive Trump, Biden, and now Trump again...

I really don't know how anyone can put any faith in Trump look at US debt when he came in office in 2016 and when he left in 2020. On t op of that gut punch, Biden upped him. Trump 2? I hope we survive intact.

2015 $18,151 100% Fiscal Cliff (we thought)
2016 $19,573 105% Obama Leaves Office
2017 $20,245 104%Trump
2018 $21,516 105%Trump
2019 $22,719 107%Trump
2020 $27,748 129%Trump Leaves Offce
2021 $29,617 124% Biden
2022 $31,420 119% Biden
2023 $34,001 122% Biden
2024 $35,000 122% Biden Leaves Office
2025 $37,000 122%Trump

It ain't going down... Obama, Trump, Biden all the same when it comes to spending.

You have to give him time. What he is doing is revolutionary. Give it a chance

He was there for 4 years and it went from 105% of GDP to 129%. So, sorry if I am skeptical.

Will be interesting how this plays out. Senate passed bill ending tariff's on Canada and Brazil, GOP members crossed over.

Bookmark this thread and lets talk in a year from now

BTW - Passage of the measure is a symbolic victory for critics of Trump's trade policies, but it will have little practical effect as Speaker Mike Johnson (R-La.) is unlikely to bring it up for a vote in the House and Trump is certain to veto anything that curtails his power.

the Senate bill did not end the tariffs. it removed the statutory authority for a POTUS to make emergency declarations to impose them. which of course implicitly undercuts the position of everyone who says the tariffs are not legal. If they were illegal, why would the Senate bother to change the law?

And, notably, an amendment to a statute has to also pass the House (which is unlikely to bring it up for a vote) and then get signed by the POTUS, who will most certainly veto it.

This Senate bill is symbolic at best. Will not pass in the House and if it did, would be vetoed by Trump. They basically are just sending a message. The good news is that the Supreme Court will rule on tariffs next week. I think they will shoot down Trump's tariffs, but will throw him a little olive branch and declare that any tariff revenue up to this point does not have to be returned. Somewhat of a compromise.
Call it a tax, the people are outraged! Call it a tariff, the people get out their checkbooks and wave their American flags!!!
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KaiBear said:

boognish_bear said:




Another big peace of the Trump puzzle, now in place.

Amazing to watch this guy.

He absolutely killing it!
"An unexamined life is not worth living." - Socrates
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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

whiterock said:

Assassin said:

FLBear5630 said:

Assassin said:

FLBear5630 said:

Assassin said:

FLBear5630 said:

J.R. said:

RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

Redbrickbear said:



I am puzzled by this. In recent weeks, Donald Trump has told us repeatedly that we are living in the greatest economy in the history of the World. So which one is it?

best economy that has ever been on the face of the earth, I tell ya.

He is right in one respect, nobodies ever seen anything like it...

We are living in the greatest global economy the world has ever seen. Yet you are not seeing it. And you are right with your unintended sarcasm, nobody has ever seen anything like it.

You keep believing. Hopefully, the US economy can survive Trump, Biden, and now Trump again...

I really don't know how anyone can put any faith in Trump look at US debt when he came in office in 2016 and when he left in 2020. On t op of that gut punch, Biden upped him. Trump 2? I hope we survive intact.

2015 $18,151 100% Fiscal Cliff (we thought)
2016 $19,573 105% Obama Leaves Office
2017 $20,245 104%Trump
2018 $21,516 105%Trump
2019 $22,719 107%Trump
2020 $27,748 129%Trump Leaves Offce
2021 $29,617 124% Biden
2022 $31,420 119% Biden
2023 $34,001 122% Biden
2024 $35,000 122% Biden Leaves Office
2025 $37,000 122%Trump

It ain't going down... Obama, Trump, Biden all the same when it comes to spending.

You have to give him time. What he is doing is revolutionary. Give it a chance

He was there for 4 years and it went from 105% of GDP to 129%. So, sorry if I am skeptical.

Will be interesting how this plays out. Senate passed bill ending tariff's on Canada and Brazil, GOP members crossed over.

Bookmark this thread and lets talk in a year from now

BTW - Passage of the measure is a symbolic victory for critics of Trump's trade policies, but it will have little practical effect as Speaker Mike Johnson (R-La.) is unlikely to bring it up for a vote in the House and Trump is certain to veto anything that curtails his power.

the Senate bill did not end the tariffs. it removed the statutory authority for a POTUS to make emergency declarations to impose them. which of course implicitly undercuts the position of everyone who says the tariffs are not legal. If they were illegal, why would the Senate bother to change the law?

And, notably, an amendment to a statute has to also pass the House (which is unlikely to bring it up for a vote) and then get signed by the POTUS, who will most certainly veto it.

This Senate bill is symbolic at best. Will not pass in the House and if it did, would be vetoed by Trump. They basically are just sending a message. The good news is that the Supreme Court will rule on tariffs next week. I think they will shoot down Trump's tariffs, but will throw him a little olive branch and declare that any tariff revenue up to this point does not have to be returned. Somewhat of a compromise.

I'm gonna go with, I think Trumps tariffs will continue, but I could see it going your way also.
"An unexamined life is not worth living." - Socrates
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Assassin
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boognish_bear said:



A good thread on why many countries in the world dont care for Canada. Liars and cheaters, they've got away with it for too long
"An unexamined life is not worth living." - Socrates
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boognish_bear said:


Create a market uproar on American farmers with tariff policy. Lose nearly an entire harvest season for them. Then reduce the tariffs and tariff threats on China that kicked this off in the first place, and claim victory because they commit to purchasing the exact same amounts they were before the tariff battle started.

4D Chutes and Ladders here…
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ATL Bear said:

boognish_bear said:


Create a market uproar on American farmers with tariff policy. Lose nearly an entire harvest season for them. Then reduce the tariffs and tariff threats on China that kicked this off in the first place, and claim victory because they commit to purchasing the exact same amounts they were before the tariff battle started.

4D Chutes and Ladders here…



it is all a con. and they lap it up. he created this situation.
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Assassin said:

boognish_bear said:



A good thread on why many countries in the world dont care for Canada. Liars and cheaters, they've got away with it for too long


their business model is to be a parasite on the USA....to be that place companies locate factories inside the US/Canada trade treaty barriers so as to get access to the US market without having to pay US labor rates.

Canada has done it so long they've got an entitlement mentality, even taking the extraordinary step of making political advertisements in the USA against a sitting administration.
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