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Chicago Mayor says city will "rise up" against Trump. lol.https://t.co/YF4mZCxXfo

— Kevin Sorbo (@ksorbs) August 26, 2025

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I believe Chicago snipers will kill National Guardsmen.

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President Trump would unleash hell on gangs in Chicago if that happened. I Pray it nothing like that would ever happen.

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Trump will be politically trapped if he does anything of the sort.

Stay the hell out of Chicago...would be a thankless task.

Let the Dem machine continue to destroy their city and state.

When enough people are killed....maybe just maybe...voters will finally figure things out.

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You know many believe the senseless murder of innocent victims needs to stop. With Washington D.C. being our Capital City and different situation, President Trump has shown the example of how simple will and enforcement of laws with arrests can bring order to what was chaos. Other democrat cities with high crimes will have trouble maintaining the status quo after his example in Washington, D.C. I believe the pressure will mount by citizens to clean up some of these cities. What about the voters in Chicago that vote for candidates who want more policing? Should they be punished and maybe victimized because other idiots voted the wrong way, or should we send in help to make the city safer? That is the question.

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Chicago is a special situation. The Dem machine has controlled the city for 60 years at least.

Rather than lose their grip the Dems will motivate their crime connections to shoot the Guardsmen. I guarantee you this will happen.

And magically TRUMP will be blamed by the legacy media.

People who can….are leaving Illinois in droves. When enough leave, when even more innocent people are killed….maybe will reform will occur .

But I doubt it.

Chicago is doomed to degenerate linto another Gary, Indiana.

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Tamany Hall actually goes back all the way to 1786. That is some pretty deep Democrat connection

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Even Teddy Roosevelt had to bend his knee to Tammany Hall occasionally.

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And he hated the immigrants and European "ethnics" that ran the corrupt Tammany machine.

NEW: Armed carjacking arrestee says he's been in and out of jail in DC "six times."

"They release me," he says. pic.twitter.com/y8BupisIAE

— Resist the Mainstream (@ResisttheMS) August 27, 2025

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boognish_bear said:

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Don't know if his facts check out or not

Pritzker: So, in case there was any doubt as to the motivation behind Trump's military occupations, take note. 13 of the top 20 cities in homicide rates have Republican governors. None of these cities is Chicago. Eight of the top ten states with the highest homicide rates are led… pic.twitter.com/QlB792g3xo

— Acyn (@Acyn) August 25, 2025

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Pritzker conveniently conflates cities and states in his statement. And I am not sure his statement about 13 of the cities with the most homicides have Republican Governors is true. I very much doubt it. Here are the top 20 cities as of 2024 who have the most homicides in the U.S.

https://www.roadsnacks.net/murder-capitals-of-america/

Now as I look at that list I would bet that almost all of them have democrat Mayors and councils. This is the important fact rather than the party of the governor of each state. Because they set the local policing policies that directly effect the crime statistics.

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Pritzker was about to get to that list, but accidentally ate it

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Pritzker as usual has his facts wrong. I found one Republican Mayor on the top 20 cities with the highest homicide rates and that was Baton Rouge. All of the rest had democrat mayors.

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Are you saying a democrat lied??

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Sure looks that way!

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What source, timeframe and what data did they use? Have to agree on methodology, source and metric before lying.

Do you guys all live in total black and white worlds? How do you survive, you must be calling people liars constantly. You guys seem a bit black and white to follow politics. I am sure both sides can source their data. This is what they do

I guess she has leaned on the NG before

The Pentagon has approved DC Mayor Muriel Bowser's request for National Guard support during demonstrations this week as Congress prepares to certify the Electoral College resultshttps://t.co/OE0c7C9ecr pic.twitter.com/NDFz9CDyMS

— CNN Breaking News (@cnnbrk) January 4, 2021

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I guess she has leaned on the NG before

The Pentagon has approved DC Mayor Muriel Bowser's request for National Guard support during demonstrations this week as Congress prepares to certify the Electoral College resultshttps://t.co/OE0c7C9ecr pic.twitter.com/NDFz9CDyMS

— CNN Breaking News (@cnnbrk) January 4, 2021

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Wonder why she didnt push for NG during Jan 6th, whan they were needed. If she did, why did Pelosi nix them

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I guess she has leaned on the NG before

The Pentagon has approved DC Mayor Muriel Bowser's request for National Guard support during demonstrations this week as Congress prepares to certify the Electoral College resultshttps://t.co/OE0c7C9ecr pic.twitter.com/NDFz9CDyMS

— CNN Breaking News (@cnnbrk) January 4, 2021

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Wonder why she didnt push for NG during Jan 6th, whan they were needed. If she did, why did Pelosi nix them

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From ChatGPT fwiw

Yes Muriel Bowser did request the deployment of the National Guard on January 6, 2021, but the timing and scope of the request were limited and met with delays.



What happenedStep by Step
1. Initial Request (1:34 p.m.)
Mayor Bowser made a call to Army Secretary Ryan McCarthy around 1:34 p.m. requesting the DC National Guard be deployed.
2. Follow-up Coordination (Around 2:22 p.m.)
Bowser and DC officials participated in another call with McCarthy, reiterating the need for Guard support.
3. DO D Limitations & Approval Delay
Prior orders from Acting Defense Secretary Miller (on January 5) limited Guard deployment forbidding use of weapons, helmets, and riot gear unless he personally approved.
Even after Bowser's requests, the Department of Defense delayed actual deployment approval until 4:32 p.m., at which point troops from Virginia had already started moving into DC. Official authorization wasn't communicated to lower command until 5:08 p.m.
4. Summary Confirmation from DOD
A Department of Defense summary later confirmed: "At around 2 p.m., D.C. Mayor Muriel Bowser requested more assistance. Acting Defense Secretary Chris Miller immediately called up 1,100 members of the D.C. National Guard."

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Don't know if his facts check out or not

Pritzker: So, in case there was any doubt as to the motivation behind Trump's military occupations, take note. 13 of the top 20 cities in homicide rates have Republican governors. None of these cities is Chicago. Eight of the top ten states with the highest homicide rates are led… pic.twitter.com/QlB792g3xo

— Acyn (@Acyn) August 25, 2025

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Pritzker conveniently conflates cities and states in his statement. And I am not sure his statement about 13 of the cities with the most homicides have Republican Governors is true. I very much doubt it. Here are the top 20 cities as of 2024 who have the most homicides in the U.S.

https://www.roadsnacks.net/murder-capitals-of-america/

Now as I look at that list I would bet that almost all of them have democrat Mayors and councils. This is the important fact rather than the party of the governor of each state. Because they set the local policing policies that directly effect the crime statistics.

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Pritzker was about to get to that list, but accidentally ate it

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Pritzker as usual has his facts wrong. I found one Republican Mayor on the top 20 cities with the highest homicide rates and that was Baton Rouge. All of the rest had democrat mayors.

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Are you saying a democrat lied??

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Sure looks that way!

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What source, timeframe and what data did they use? Have to agree on methodology, source and metric before lying.

Do you guys all live in total black and white worlds? How do you survive, you must be calling people liars constantly. You guys seem a bit black and white to follow politics. I am sure both sides can source their data. This is what they do

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Of course most of these cities have higher murder rates. With democrat mayors and councils the policies they promote are for leniency, second chances and little punishment for crimes. This naturally leads to lifetime criminals being released over and over into society to recommit crimes against law abiding Americans. What does that have to do with black and white worlds? It is simply common sense to recognize that if you do not punish crime you get more of it and if you do punish crime you get less of it. Therefore many of us want the cities to begin law enforcement efforts by locking up hardened criminals rather than releasing them over and over again to commit more crimes against regular Americans.

If you want to challenge the statistics on homicides in the twenty cities you should present the stats that differ from those. I believe most would not question the murder rates in those cities or that their leadership is democrat.

Number 4 doesn't seem to match the actual deployment speed. "immediately" should obviously be "eventually."

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I guess she has leaned on the NG before

The Pentagon has approved DC Mayor Muriel Bowser's request for National Guard support during demonstrations this week as Congress prepares to certify the Electoral College resultshttps://t.co/OE0c7C9ecr pic.twitter.com/NDFz9CDyMS

— CNN Breaking News (@cnnbrk) January 4, 2021

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Wonder why she didnt push for NG during Jan 6th, whan they were needed. If she did, why did Pelosi nix them

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From ChatGPT fwiw

Yes Muriel Bowser did request the deployment of the National Guard on January 6, 2021, but the timing and scope of the request were limited and met with delays.



What happenedStep by Step
1. Initial Request (1:34 p.m.)
Mayor Bowser made a call to Army Secretary Ryan McCarthy around 1:34 p.m. requesting the DC National Guard be deployed.
2. Follow-up Coordination (Around 2:22 p.m.)
Bowser and DC officials participated in another call with McCarthy, reiterating the need for Guard support.
3. DO D Limitations & Approval Delay
Prior orders from Acting Defense Secretary Miller (on January 5) limited Guard deployment forbidding use of weapons, helmets, and riot gear unless he personally approved.
Even after Bowser's requests, the Department of Defense delayed actual deployment approval until 4:32 p.m., at which point troops from Virginia had already started moving into DC. Official authorization wasn't communicated to lower command until 5:08 p.m.
4. Summary Confirmation from DOD
A Department of Defense summary later confirmed: "At around 2 p.m., D.C. Mayor Muriel Bowser requested more assistance. Acting Defense Secretary Chris Miller immediately called up 1,100 members of the D.C. National Guard."

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A timeline leading up to January 6 and after concerning National Guard requests dated October 2024

Timeline of Events Surrounding J6 D.C. National Guard Deployment Shows Politically Motivated Decisions

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Don't know if his facts check out or not

Pritzker: So, in case there was any doubt as to the motivation behind Trump's military occupations, take note. 13 of the top 20 cities in homicide rates have Republican governors. None of these cities is Chicago. Eight of the top ten states with the highest homicide rates are led… pic.twitter.com/QlB792g3xo

— Acyn (@Acyn) August 25, 2025

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Pritzker conveniently conflates cities and states in his statement. And I am not sure his statement about 13 of the cities with the most homicides have Republican Governors is true. I very much doubt it. Here are the top 20 cities as of 2024 who have the most homicides in the U.S.

https://www.roadsnacks.net/murder-capitals-of-america/

Now as I look at that list I would bet that almost all of them have democrat Mayors and councils. This is the important fact rather than the party of the governor of each state. Because they set the local policing policies that directly effect the crime statistics.

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Pritzker was about to get to that list, but accidentally ate it

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Pritzker as usual has his facts wrong. I found one Republican Mayor on the top 20 cities with the highest homicide rates and that was Baton Rouge. All of the rest had democrat mayors.

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Are you saying a democrat lied??

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Sure looks that way!

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What source, timeframe and what data did they use? Have to agree on methodology, source and metric before lying.

Do you guys all live in total black and white worlds? How do you survive, you must be calling people liars constantly. You guys seem a bit black and white to follow politics. I am sure both sides can source their data. This is what they do

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Of course most of these cities have higher murder rates. With democrat mayors and councils the policies they promote are for leniency, second chances and little punishment for crimes. This naturally leads to lifetime criminals being released over and over into society to recommit crimes against law abiding Americans. What does that have to do with black and white worlds? It is simply common sense to recognize that if you do not punish crime you get more of it and if you do punish crime you get less of it. Therefore many of us want the cities to begin law enforcement efforts by locking up hardened criminals rather than releasing them over and over again to commit more crimes against regular Americans.

If you want to challenge the statistics on homicides in the twenty cities you should present the stats that differ from those. I believe most would not question the murder rates in those cities or that their leadership is democrat.

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I am sure whatever groups of metrics and timeframe they are using is producing those results.

In 2010, the British government issued a report. The report held that there was far too much unnecessary spending going on in policing.

As a result, London's Metropolitan Police saw a 29% budget cut.

To save money, the city shut down 70% of its police stations. pic.twitter.com/6x7Fk1CLIH

— Crémieux (@cremieuxrecueil) August 29, 2025

Violent crime went up ~11% in areas where stations were shut down.

In fact, the closer an area was to a police station that got shut down, the greater the increase in crime.

Those are the areas that now had the fewest police; criminals were responding to mere officer presence! pic.twitter.com/IH49fYhlUd

— Crémieux (@cremieuxrecueil) August 29, 2025

There are, by now, tons of studies like this, and they tend to come to the same conclusions.

Namely, that police being in an area deters crime.

But generally America doesn't seem to get this. Compared to peer countries, America is extremely underpoliced. pic.twitter.com/aC1xibgRIm

— Crémieux (@cremieuxrecueil) August 29, 2025

At least five people have been killed and 30 others injured in shootings across Chicago over Labor Day weekend, including a drive-by attack that left seven victims wounded late Saturday night, according to police. https://t.co/mvbTXiVsmB

— ABC News (@ABC) August 31, 2025

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At least five people have been killed and 30 others injured in shootings across Chicago over Labor Day weekend, including a drive-by attack that left seven victims wounded late Saturday night, according to police. https://t.co/mvbTXiVsmB

— ABC News (@ABC) August 31, 2025

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Not a particularly bad number of shootings, at least for Chicago.

Or for Saint Louis, Memphis , Baltimore, New Orleans or Oakland.

Somehow most cities in Europe don't have such numbers of killings each weekend.

Wonder why ?

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At least five people have been killed and 30 others injured in shootings across Chicago over Labor Day weekend, including a drive-by attack that left seven victims wounded late Saturday night, according to police. https://t.co/mvbTXiVsmB

— ABC News (@ABC) August 31, 2025

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Not a particularly bad number of shootings, at least for Chicago.

Or for Saint Louis, Memphis , Baltimore, New Orleans or Oakland.

Somehow most cities in Europe don't have such numbers of killings each weekend.

Wonder why ?

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Could it be the social programs in place that don't put people in frustrating situations? Stricter gun laws?

I do not know, just listing differences. Would love to see some data on that.

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At least five people have been killed and 30 others injured in shootings across Chicago over Labor Day weekend, including a drive-by attack that left seven victims wounded late Saturday night, according to police. https://t.co/mvbTXiVsmB

— ABC News (@ABC) August 31, 2025

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Not a particularly bad number of shootings, at least for Chicago.

Or for Saint Louis, Memphis , Baltimore, New Orleans or Oakland.

Somehow most cities in Europe don't have such numbers of killings each weekend.

Wonder why ?

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I think the answer is pretty clear. How many shootings in small towns do we see each weekend?

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At least five people have been killed and 30 others injured in shootings across Chicago over Labor Day weekend, including a drive-by attack that left seven victims wounded late Saturday night, according to police. https://t.co/mvbTXiVsmB

— ABC News (@ABC) August 31, 2025

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Not a particularly bad number of shootings, at least for Chicago.

Or for Saint Louis, Memphis , Baltimore, New Orleans or Oakland.

Somehow most cities in Europe don't have such numbers of killings each weekend.

Wonder why ?

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I think the answer is pretty clear. How many shootings in small towns do we see each weekend?

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Population density is the same or even worse in European cities.

Yet they dont have the large number of murders routinely found in so many US cities.

Major city murder rates per 100,000 latest available from local PD reports.

U.S.

St. Louis - 54.4 (2024)
Kansas City - 31.2 (2024)
Chicago - 25.5 (2024)
Milwaukee - 38 (2023)
Minneapolis - 6.3 (2022)
St. Paul - 10 (2024)
New York City - 4.1 (2023)
Boston - 8.35 in one report 3.1 in another (2024)
Philadelphia - 40.6 (2024)
Pittsburgh - 14.8 (2024)
Washington D.C. - 26.6 (2024)
Jacksonville FL - 13.4 (2024)
Tampa FL - 14.2 (2024)
Miami - 11 (2024)
Atlanta - 24.7 (2024)
New. Orleans - 34.7 (2024)
Baton Rouge - 51.8 (2022)
Houston - 13.8 or 11.5 in another report
Dallas - 14.0 (2024)
El Paso - 2.95 (2024)
San Antonio - 15.7 (2022)
Denver - 8.9 (2024)
Phoenix - 13.5 (2022)
Los Angeles - 7.1 (2024)
Compton, CA - 20.1 (2024)
Oakland - 18.6 (2024)
San Francisco - 6.9 (2024)
Seattle - 6.8 (2024)
Portland, OR - 6.0 (2024)

Europe (harder to get city stats)

London - 1.4 (2021)
Paris - 1.6 (2023)
Rome - .8 unclear (2021)
Berlin - 4 (2018)
Kaunus, Lithuania - 4 (2024)
Istanbul - 2.6 (2017)
Malmo Sweden - 2.9. (2024)
Amsterdam - .7 (2023)
Prague - .45 (2021)
Dublin - .44. (2021)


It is easy to get national rates per 100,000 for Europe, which are generally below 1 per 100,000.
For comparison, the US is at 5 per 100,000 in 2024.

US violent crime rate per 100,000 is at 364 in 2023.
There is obviously a difference in classification of crimes between the US and Europe. For example: UK police reports of violence against persons in 2024 would show a rate of 2811 per 100,000.

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Major city murder rates per 100,000 latest available from local PD reports.

U.S.

St. Louis - 54.4 (2024)
Kansas City - 31.2 (2024)
Chicago - 25.5 (2024)
Milwaukee - 38 (2023)
Minneapolis - 6.3 (2022)
St. Paul - 10 (2024)
New York City - 4.1 (2023)
Boston - 8.35 in one report 3.1 in another (2024)
Philadelphia - 40.6 (2024)
Pittsburgh - 14.8 (2024)
Washington D.C. - 26.6 (2024)
Jacksonville FL - 13.4 (2024)
Tampa FL - 14.2 (2024)
Miami - 11 (2024)
Atlanta - 24.7 (2024)
New. Orleans - 34.7 (2024)
Baton Rouge - 51.8 (2022)
Houston - 13.8 or 11.5 in another report
Dallas - 14.0 (2024)
El Paso - 2.95 (2024)
San Antonio - 15.7 (2022)
Denver - 8.9 (2024)
Phoenix - 13.5 (2022)
Los Angeles - 7.1 (2024)
Compton, CA - 20.1 (2024)
Oakland - 18.6 (2024)
San Francisco - 6.9 (2024)
Seattle - 6.8 (2024)
Portland, OR - 6.0 (2024)

Europe (harder to get city stats)

London - 1.4 (2021)
Paris - 1.6 (2023)
Rome - .8 unclear (2021)
Berlin - 4 (2018)
Kaunus, Lithuania - 4 (2024)
Istanbul - 2.6 (2017)
Malmo Sweden - 2.9. (2024)
Amsterdam - .7 (2023)
Prague - .45 (2021)
Dublin - .44. (2021)


It is easy to get national rates per 100,000 for Europe, which are generally below 1 per 100,000.
For comparison, the US is at 5 per 100,000 in 2024.

US violent crime rate per 100,000 is at 364 in 2023.
There is obviously a difference in classification of crimes between the US and Europe. For example: UK police reports of violence against persons in 2024 would show a rate of 2811 per 100,000.

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I would imagine comparing U.S. cities to East Asian cities would also be equally as shocking.....

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Yep.... "The murder rate in Tokyo, and Japan overall, is exceptionally low, typically at or below 0.5 per 100,000 people"

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Major city murder rates per 100,000 latest available from local PD reports.

U.S.

St. Louis - 54.4 (2024)
Kansas City - 31.2 (2024)
Chicago - 25.5 (2024)
Milwaukee - 38 (2023)
Minneapolis - 6.3 (2022)
St. Paul - 10 (2024)
New York City - 4.1 (2023)
Boston - 8.35 in one report 3.1 in another (2024)
Philadelphia - 40.6 (2024)
Pittsburgh - 14.8 (2024)
Washington D.C. - 26.6 (2024)
Jacksonville FL - 13.4 (2024)
Tampa FL - 14.2 (2024)
Miami - 11 (2024)
Atlanta - 24.7 (2024)
New. Orleans - 34.7 (2024)
Baton Rouge - 51.8 (2022)
Houston - 13.8 or 11.5 in another report
Dallas - 14.0 (2024)
El Paso - 2.95 (2024)
San Antonio - 15.7 (2022)
Denver - 8.9 (2024)
Phoenix - 13.5 (2022)
Los Angeles - 7.1 (2024)
Compton, CA - 20.1 (2024)
Oakland - 18.6 (2024)
San Francisco - 6.9 (2024)
Seattle - 6.8 (2024)
Portland, OR - 6.0 (2024)

Europe (harder to get city stats)

London - 1.4 (2021)
Paris - 1.6 (2023)
Rome - .8 unclear (2021)
Berlin - 4 (2018)
Kaunus, Lithuania - 4 (2024)
Istanbul - 2.6 (2017)
Malmo Sweden - 2.9. (2024)
Amsterdam - .7 (2023)
Prague - .45 (2021)
Dublin - .44. (2021)


It is easy to get national rates per 100,000 for Europe, which are generally below 1 per 100,000.
For comparison, the US is at 5 per 100,000 in 2024.

US violent crime rate per 100,000 is at 364 in 2023.
There is obviously a difference in classification of crimes between the US and Europe. For example: UK police reports of violence against persons in 2024 would show a rate of 2811 per 100,000.

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I would imagine comparing U.S. cities to East Asian cities would also be equally as shocking.....

P.S.

Yep.... "The murder rate in Tokyo, and Japan overall, is exceptionally low, typically at or below 0.5 per 100,000 people"

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woke America. How low would our murder rates drop if we took out all the Trans Mass Murders? Woke assassinations? Gang violence? Illegal alien violence?

Is there a reason they are going one city at a time rather than several at once?

.@POTUS: "We're making a determination now — do we go to Chicago or do we go to a place like New Orleans, where we have a great Governor, @LAGovJeffLandry, who wants us to come in and straighten [it] out." pic.twitter.com/TpQo9uU4B5

— Rapid Response 47 (@RapidResponse47) September 3, 2025

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Is there a reason they are going one city at a time rather than several at once?

.@POTUS: "We're making a determination now — do we go to Chicago or do we go to a place like New Orleans, where we have a great Governor, @LAGovJeffLandry, who wants us to come in and straighten [it] out." pic.twitter.com/TpQo9uU4B5

— Rapid Response 47 (@RapidResponse47) September 3, 2025

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If he is smart, go to NO where he is invited. Going to Chicago is going to cause a **** storm, Constitutionally, politically and physically. Courts said no, go to SCOTUS and get a ruling.

Maybe it's easier to have success one city at a time. The more cities they clean up this way, the more pressure there will be for other cities to follow suit. The blue mayors and governors who oppose these efforts will more obviously be seen as supporters of more crime. More importantly, it's clear that they don't really care about the people who are victims of these crimes.