LIB,MR BEARS said:

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Osodecentx said:

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BearlySpeaking said:

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Osodecentx said:

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BaylorFTW said:

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Realitybites said:

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So has Baylor gotten rid of him yet?

Perhaps redirecting any $ earmarked for Baylor to TPUSA is an appropriate response if they have not.

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No official statement has been made that I am aware of. I am out of town on a business trip but if time permits will be making inquiries tomorrow or on Tuesday. Regardless, I will be stepping things up next Monday if no action has been taken.

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Do you want Baylor to expel undergraduates who post material about Kirk that you deem offensive or inappropriate?

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I'm okay with quite a bit of stuff I find offensive to be posted. I even say some things I'm sure you find offensive. Big believer in free speech/debate.

It's the advocating or celebrating a murder, that was motivated by bigotry, of a specific individual or group of people that crosses a line in the context of being associated with a corporation or institution. It's a gray area in free speech terms, but Baylor needs to ensure a safe campus. We don't need to become the next Utah Valley State. Tyler Robinson showed that someone expressing such sentiments will sometimes act on them. That is what is putting these people on everyone's radar.

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Would you expel a Baylor undergrad for posting things you find offensive?

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Would you remove a student from student seating for wearing the opposing teams colors?
Suppose that team is the team they grew up supporting?
Does red offend you? Perhaps burnt orange, crimson or maroon? Are those offensive enough to a university that a student shouldn't be allowed to sit in camera view?

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No, I wouldn't

LIB,MR BEARS said:

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Osodecentx said:

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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Osodecentx said:

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BearlySpeaking said:

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Osodecentx said:

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BaylorFTW said:

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Realitybites said:

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So has Baylor gotten rid of him yet?

Perhaps redirecting any $ earmarked for Baylor to TPUSA is an appropriate response if they have not.

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No official statement has been made that I am aware of. I am out of town on a business trip but if time permits will be making inquiries tomorrow or on Tuesday. Regardless, I will be stepping things up next Monday if no action has been taken.

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Do you want Baylor to expel undergraduates who post material about Kirk that you deem offensive or inappropriate?

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I'm okay with quite a bit of stuff I find offensive to be posted. I even say some things I'm sure you find offensive. Big believer in free speech/debate.

It's the advocating or celebrating a murder, that was motivated by bigotry, of a specific individual or group of people that crosses a line in the context of being associated with a corporation or institution. It's a gray area in free speech terms, but Baylor needs to ensure a safe campus. We don't need to become the next Utah Valley State. Tyler Robinson showed that someone expressing such sentiments will sometimes act on them. That is what is putting these people on everyone's radar.

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Would you expel a Baylor undergrad for posting things you find offensive?

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Would you remove a student from student seating for wearing the opposing teams colors?
Suppose that team is the team they grew up supporting?
Does red offend you? Perhaps burnt orange, crimson or maroon? Are those offensive enough to a university that a student shouldn't be allowed to sit in camera view?

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Would you expel the students in your hypothetical?

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I'm not a religious leader questioning your authority and you aren't Christ so let's just stick with you answering the question posed first and then I'll answer yours.

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Your turn

Osodecentx said:

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BaylorFTW said:

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Realitybites said:

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So has Baylor gotten rid of him yet?

Perhaps redirecting any $ earmarked for Baylor to TPUSA is an appropriate response if they have not.

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No official statement has been made that I am aware of. I am out of town on a business trip but if time permits will be making inquiries tomorrow or on Tuesday. Regardless, I will be stepping things up next Monday if no action has been taken.

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Do you want Baylor to expel undergraduates who post material about Kirk that you deem offensive or inappropriate?

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Probably not, but what did they post? Does it look like advocacy or cheering for murder of people with whom you have philosophical disagreement?

If so, I'd have to see it and ponder it. Undergrads are stupid. That's kind of the point. Maybe I haul them in and explain to them how their position is a complete affront to free speech and the marketplace of ideas, and thus an anathema to the educational system. Maybe they get service hours and a chance to learn how to act.

Grad students? They can just go ahead and find somewhere else to matriculate or something else to do.

Unfortunately, schools have been going this way for quite a while. Even 8-10 years ago, I got invited to these debate dinners at my kids' private school, full of professors' kids. We'd get cards and debate issues. I noticed the high schoolers had a very strong "don't let people say that" reaction. Their solutions to all sorts of issues involved squelching speech. I tried to explain to them that the inclination to squelch speech is harmful, the cure for bad speech is more speech - not less, and if you can't win in the marketplace of ideas maybe you are wrong. School marm didn't take kindly, and I was not invited back.

Osodecentx said:

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BearlySpeaking said:

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Osodecentx said:

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BaylorFTW said:

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Realitybites said:

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So has Baylor gotten rid of him yet?

Perhaps redirecting any $ earmarked for Baylor to TPUSA is an appropriate response if they have not.

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No official statement has been made that I am aware of. I am out of town on a business trip but if time permits will be making inquiries tomorrow or on Tuesday. Regardless, I will be stepping things up next Monday if no action has been taken.

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Do you want Baylor to expel undergraduates who post material about Kirk that you deem offensive or inappropriate?

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I'm okay with quite a bit of stuff I find offensive to be posted. I even say some things I'm sure you find offensive. Big believer in free speech/debate.

It's the advocating or celebrating a murder, that was motivated by bigotry, of a specific individual or group of people that crosses a line in the context of being associated with a corporation or institution. It's a gray area in free speech terms, but Baylor needs to ensure a safe campus. We don't need to become the next Utah Valley State. Tyler Robinson showed that someone expressing such sentiments will sometimes act on them. That is what is putting these people on everyone's radar.

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Would you expel a Baylor undergrad for posting things you find offensive?

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Is this not a graduate student?

Osodecentx said:

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BearlySpeaking said:

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Osodecentx said:

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BaylorFTW said:

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Realitybites said:

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So has Baylor gotten rid of him yet?

Perhaps redirecting any $ earmarked for Baylor to TPUSA is an appropriate response if they have not.

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No official statement has been made that I am aware of. I am out of town on a business trip but if time permits will be making inquiries tomorrow or on Tuesday. Regardless, I will be stepping things up next Monday if no action has been taken.

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Do you want Baylor to expel undergraduates who post material about Kirk that you deem offensive or inappropriate?

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I'm okay with quite a bit of stuff I find offensive to be posted. I even say some things I'm sure you find offensive. Big believer in free speech/debate.

It's the advocating or celebrating a murder, that was motivated by bigotry, of a specific individual or group of people that crosses a line in the context of being associated with a corporation or institution. It's a gray area in free speech terms, but Baylor needs to ensure a safe campus. We don't need to become the next Utah Valley State. Tyler Robinson showed that someone expressing such sentiments will sometimes act on them. That is what is putting these people on everyone's radar.

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Would you expel a Baylor undergrad for posting things you find offensive?

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Yes, in this specific case: "It's the advocating or celebrating a murder, that was motivated by bigotry, of a specific individual or group of people that crosses a line in the context of being associated with a corporation or institution."

Edited to add: The concern is not with the offensiveness of the statement; that is looking at it through the wrong lenses. The issue is the public declaration that one supports the murder of a specific person or group of people for reasons of bigotry. More things come into play here in addition to the question of free speech or offensiveness; it's inevitable when the question is how incitements to violence on the basis of race, religion, sex, political beliefs, etc., are to be handled by the law and universities.

To be clear i do not think one's opinion that differs from others deserves murder. It is reprehensible someone loses their life because of their political views. I never heard of Kirk until he was assassinated. I'm still not sure if he said things i've read in last few days.

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To be clear i do not think one's opinion that differs from others deserves murder. It is reprehensible someone loses their life because of their political views. I never heard of Kirk until he was assassinated. I'm still not sure if he said things i've read in last few days.

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It is very sad that you have to say that given the level of glee his political assassination evokes among far too many on the left, some of whom no doubt consider themselves to be paragons of human virtue and decency.

Osodecentx said:

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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Osodecentx said:

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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Osodecentx said:

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BearlySpeaking said:

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Osodecentx said:

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BaylorFTW said:

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Realitybites said:

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So has Baylor gotten rid of him yet?

Perhaps redirecting any $ earmarked for Baylor to TPUSA is an appropriate response if they have not.

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No official statement has been made that I am aware of. I am out of town on a business trip but if time permits will be making inquiries tomorrow or on Tuesday. Regardless, I will be stepping things up next Monday if no action has been taken.

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Do you want Baylor to expel undergraduates who post material about Kirk that you deem offensive or inappropriate?

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I'm okay with quite a bit of stuff I find offensive to be posted. I even say some things I'm sure you find offensive. Big believer in free speech/debate.

It's the advocating or celebrating a murder, that was motivated by bigotry, of a specific individual or group of people that crosses a line in the context of being associated with a corporation or institution. It's a gray area in free speech terms, but Baylor needs to ensure a safe campus. We don't need to become the next Utah Valley State. Tyler Robinson showed that someone expressing such sentiments will sometimes act on them. That is what is putting these people on everyone's radar.

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Would you expel a Baylor undergrad for posting things you find offensive?

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Would you remove a student from student seating for wearing the opposing teams colors?
Suppose that team is the team they grew up supporting?
Does red offend you? Perhaps burnt orange, crimson or maroon? Are those offensive enough to a university that a student shouldn't be allowed to sit in camera view?

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Would you expel the students in your hypothetical?

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I'm not a religious leader questioning your authority and you aren't Christ so let's just stick with you answering the question posed first and then I'll answer yours.

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Your turn

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I'd explain it to the student just as Robert Wilson did a few post prior-HE SIDED WITH THE ELIMINATION OF A PERSON EXERCISING HIS RIGHT TO FREE SPEECH PERMANENTLY REMOVING THAT RIGHT.

I'd let him finish the semester and let him know we would not honor his scholarship for the following semester or, if not on scholarship, would not allow him to enroll for the spring semester. If it was his final semester he would not be allowed to participate in graduation.

He would be allowed a second chance at another institution but not at Baylor. He brought embarrassment to BU as a grad student, a position for which he applied. He was not and is not owed this position.

He permanently removed a right
He can have a privilege permanently removed.

Osodecentx said:

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BearlySpeaking said:

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Osodecentx said:

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BaylorFTW said:

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Realitybites said:

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So has Baylor gotten rid of him yet?

Perhaps redirecting any $ earmarked for Baylor to TPUSA is an appropriate response if they have not.

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No official statement has been made that I am aware of. I am out of town on a business trip but if time permits will be making inquiries tomorrow or on Tuesday. Regardless, I will be stepping things up next Monday if no action has been taken.

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Do you want Baylor to expel undergraduates who post material about Kirk that you deem offensive or inappropriate?

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I'm okay with quite a bit of stuff I find offensive to be posted. I even say some things I'm sure you find offensive. Big believer in free speech/debate.

It's the advocating or celebrating a murder, that was motivated by bigotry, of a specific individual or group of people that crosses a line in the context of being associated with a corporation or institution. It's a gray area in free speech terms, but Baylor needs to ensure a safe campus. We don't need to become the next Utah Valley State. Tyler Robinson showed that someone expressing such sentiments will sometimes act on them. That is what is putting these people on everyone's radar.

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Would you expel a Baylor undergrad for posting things you find offensive?

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I knew a girl at Baylor who dressed up in bronzer and a NBA Jersey at an SAE party when I was at Baylor for a "E-Dogs" ghetto type themed party.

She made no racist statements or comments of any kind on social media or anywhere else.

The local Baylor NAACP leader kid at Baylor saw the pic and contacted Baylor admins. (He was apparently creeping on Sorority girls Facebook pages)

Her father had to fight with the Administration to NOT be kicked out of college (she was a senior with great grades)…and it was a big big deal and a long fight that went on all Spring Semester

And that was 20 years ago….

Baylor took charges (unfounded) of supposed racism more serious it seems than a student celebrating the death of another person.

There are laws which prohibit Baylor from releasing specific information about students and any discipline or other action they may take.

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Link:

Contact the Dean and demand corrective action pic.twitter.com/0U9luFv1nG

— Paul Reardon (@PaulJReardon013) September 11, 2025

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Now we're doxing?

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I’ve only just begun creating a spreadsheet of people who’ve said vile things about Charlie Kirk’s assassination. So far, teachers and professors are by far the most represented. pic.twitter.com/B2h9H0EmvQ

— lisakip (@lisakippy) September 13, 2025

D. C. Bear said:

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Osodecentx said:

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BearlySpeaking said:

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Osodecentx said:

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BaylorFTW said:

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Realitybites said:

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So has Baylor gotten rid of him yet?

Perhaps redirecting any $ earmarked for Baylor to TPUSA is an appropriate response if they have not.

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No official statement has been made that I am aware of. I am out of town on a business trip but if time permits will be making inquiries tomorrow or on Tuesday. Regardless, I will be stepping things up next Monday if no action has been taken.

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Do you want Baylor to expel undergraduates who post material about Kirk that you deem offensive or inappropriate?

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I'm okay with quite a bit of stuff I find offensive to be posted. I even say some things I'm sure you find offensive. Big believer in free speech/debate.

It's the advocating or celebrating a murder, that was motivated by bigotry, of a specific individual or group of people that crosses a line in the context of being associated with a corporation or institution. It's a gray area in free speech terms, but Baylor needs to ensure a safe campus. We don't need to become the next Utah Valley State. Tyler Robinson showed that someone expressing such sentiments will sometimes act on them. That is what is putting these people on everyone's radar.

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Would you expel a Baylor undergrad for posting things you find offensive?

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Is this not a graduate student?

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Yes, I'm curious about what FTW would do to an undergraduate

Ask a stupid question, Liberal Woman

Liberal woman has a question for 77 MILLION that voted for the current administration..

“Did you vote for the Department of Education to be dismantled?"

What would you say to her?
pic.twitter.com/DVdPHwMOFH

— Mila Joy (@MilaLovesJoe) September 15, 2025

Redbrickbear said:

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Osodecentx said:

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BearlySpeaking said:

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Osodecentx said:

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BaylorFTW said:

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Realitybites said:

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So has Baylor gotten rid of him yet?

Perhaps redirecting any $ earmarked for Baylor to TPUSA is an appropriate response if they have not.

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No official statement has been made that I am aware of. I am out of town on a business trip but if time permits will be making inquiries tomorrow or on Tuesday. Regardless, I will be stepping things up next Monday if no action has been taken.

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Do you want Baylor to expel undergraduates who post material about Kirk that you deem offensive or inappropriate?

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I'm okay with quite a bit of stuff I find offensive to be posted. I even say some things I'm sure you find offensive. Big believer in free speech/debate.

It's the advocating or celebrating a murder, that was motivated by bigotry, of a specific individual or group of people that crosses a line in the context of being associated with a corporation or institution. It's a gray area in free speech terms, but Baylor needs to ensure a safe campus. We don't need to become the next Utah Valley State. Tyler Robinson showed that someone expressing such sentiments will sometimes act on them. That is what is putting these people on everyone's radar.

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Would you expel a Baylor undergrad for posting things you find offensive?

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I knew a girl at Baylor who dressed up in bronzer and a NBA Jersey at an SAE party when I was at Baylor for a "E-Dogs" ghetto type themed party.

She made no racist statements or comments of any kind on social media or anywhere else.

The local Baylor NAACP leader kid at Baylor saw the pic and contacted Baylor admins. (He was apparently creeping on Sorority girls Facebook pages)

Her father had to fight with the Administration to NOT be kicked out of college (she was senior with great grades)…and it was a big deal and a long fight that went on all Spring Semester

And that was 20 years ago.

Baylor took charges (unfounded) of supposed racism more serious it seems than a student celebrating the death of another person.

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Not wanting to interpret your post incorrectly, would you expel an undergraduate for a post which you find offensive?
Isn't that what an earlier administration tried to do to the girl to whom you refer?

LIB,MR BEARS said:

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Osodecentx said:

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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Osodecentx said:

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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Osodecentx said:

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BearlySpeaking said:

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Osodecentx said:

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BaylorFTW said:

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Realitybites said:

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So has Baylor gotten rid of him yet?

Perhaps redirecting any $ earmarked for Baylor to TPUSA is an appropriate response if they have not.

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No official statement has been made that I am aware of. I am out of town on a business trip but if time permits will be making inquiries tomorrow or on Tuesday. Regardless, I will be stepping things up next Monday if no action has been taken.

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Do you want Baylor to expel undergraduates who post material about Kirk that you deem offensive or inappropriate?

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I'm okay with quite a bit of stuff I find offensive to be posted. I even say some things I'm sure you find offensive. Big believer in free speech/debate.

It's the advocating or celebrating a murder, that was motivated by bigotry, of a specific individual or group of people that crosses a line in the context of being associated with a corporation or institution. It's a gray area in free speech terms, but Baylor needs to ensure a safe campus. We don't need to become the next Utah Valley State. Tyler Robinson showed that someone expressing such sentiments will sometimes act on them. That is what is putting these people on everyone's radar.

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Would you expel a Baylor undergrad for posting things you find offensive?

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Would you remove a student from student seating for wearing the opposing teams colors?
Suppose that team is the team they grew up supporting?
Does red offend you? Perhaps burnt orange, crimson or maroon? Are those offensive enough to a university that a student shouldn't be allowed to sit in camera view?

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Would you expel the students in your hypothetical?

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I'm not a religious leader questioning your authority and you aren't Christ so let's just stick with you answering the question posed first and then I'll answer yours.

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Your turn

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I'd explain it to the student just as Robert Wilson did a few post prior-HE SIDED WITH THE ELIMINATION OF A PERSON EXERCISING HIS RIGHT TO FREE SPEECH PERMANENTLY REMOVING THAT RIGHT.

I'd let him finish the semester and let him know we would not honor his scholarship for the following semester or, if not on scholarship, would not allow him to enroll for the spring semester. If it was his final semester he would not be allowed to participate in graduation.

He would be allowed a second chance at another institution but not at Baylor. He brought embarrassment to BU as a grad student, a position for which he applied. He was not and is not owed this position.

He permanently removed a right
He can have a privilege permanently removed.

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Thank you for a straight forward answer.

We disagree

Osodecentx said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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Osodecentx said:

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BearlySpeaking said:

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Osodecentx said:

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BaylorFTW said:

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Realitybites said:

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So has Baylor gotten rid of him yet?

Perhaps redirecting any $ earmarked for Baylor to TPUSA is an appropriate response if they have not.

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No official statement has been made that I am aware of. I am out of town on a business trip but if time permits will be making inquiries tomorrow or on Tuesday. Regardless, I will be stepping things up next Monday if no action has been taken.

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Do you want Baylor to expel undergraduates who post material about Kirk that you deem offensive or inappropriate?

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I'm okay with quite a bit of stuff I find offensive to be posted. I even say some things I'm sure you find offensive. Big believer in free speech/debate.

It's the advocating or celebrating a murder, that was motivated by bigotry, of a specific individual or group of people that crosses a line in the context of being associated with a corporation or institution. It's a gray area in free speech terms, but Baylor needs to ensure a safe campus. We don't need to become the next Utah Valley State. Tyler Robinson showed that someone expressing such sentiments will sometimes act on them. That is what is putting these people on everyone's radar.

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Would you expel a Baylor undergrad for posting things you find offensive?

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I knew a girl at Baylor who dressed up in bronzer and a NBA Jersey at an SAE party when I was at Baylor for a "E-Dogs" ghetto type themed party.

She made no racist statements or comments of any kind on social media or anywhere else.

The local Baylor NAACP leader kid at Baylor saw the pic and contacted Baylor admins. (He was apparently creeping on Sorority girls Facebook pages)

Her father had to fight with the Administration to NOT be kicked out of college (she was senior with great grades)…and it was a big deal and a long fight that went on all Spring Semester

And that was 20 years ago.

Baylor took charges (unfounded) of supposed racism more serious it seems than a student celebrating the death of another person.

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Not wanting to interpret your post incorrectly, would you expel an undergraduate for a post which you find offensive?
Isn't that what an earlier administration tried to do to the girl to whom you refer?

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I would probably not personally expel a undergrad female student for a first time offense. But I would have no problem calling the person in for a 1 on 1 talk.

Of course a grad student or faculty member is a more senior and supposedly mature person. (Faculty members are of course being paid employees of Baylor)

And if Baylor is going to pull a undergrad female into a semi- kangaroo court system for months over a party outfit worn off campus then I absolutely expect the same if the offense is celebrating the death of another person.

Baylor seems to react with an aggressive full court press about supposed racism…and drags it heals about other issues.

Well, yeah, duh. Baylor is a diet version of academic woke with some Jesus juice sprinkled on top of it.

Redbrickbear said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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Osodecentx said:

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BearlySpeaking said:

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Osodecentx said:

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BaylorFTW said:

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Realitybites said:

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So has Baylor gotten rid of him yet?

Perhaps redirecting any $ earmarked for Baylor to TPUSA is an appropriate response if they have not.

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No official statement has been made that I am aware of. I am out of town on a business trip but if time permits will be making inquiries tomorrow or on Tuesday. Regardless, I will be stepping things up next Monday if no action has been taken.

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Do you want Baylor to expel undergraduates who post material about Kirk that you deem offensive or inappropriate?

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I'm okay with quite a bit of stuff I find offensive to be posted. I even say some things I'm sure you find offensive. Big believer in free speech/debate.

It's the advocating or celebrating a murder, that was motivated by bigotry, of a specific individual or group of people that crosses a line in the context of being associated with a corporation or institution. It's a gray area in free speech terms, but Baylor needs to ensure a safe campus. We don't need to become the next Utah Valley State. Tyler Robinson showed that someone expressing such sentiments will sometimes act on them. That is what is putting these people on everyone's radar.

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Would you expel a Baylor undergrad for posting things you find offensive?

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I knew a girl at Baylor who dressed up in bronzer and a NBA Jersey at an SAE party when I was at Baylor for a "E-Dogs" ghetto type themed party.

She made no racist statements or comments of any kind on social media or anywhere else.

The local Baylor NAACP leader kid at Baylor saw the pic and contacted Baylor admins. (He was apparently creeping on Sorority girls Facebook pages)

Her father had to fight with the Administration to NOT be kicked out of college (she was senior with great grades)…and it was a big deal and a long fight that went on all Spring Semester

And that was 20 years ago.

Baylor took charges (unfounded) of supposed racism more serious it seems than a student celebrating the death of another person.

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Not wanting to interpret your post incorrectly, would you expel an undergraduate for a post which you find offensive?
Isn't that what an earlier administration tried to do to the girl to whom you refer?

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And if Baylor is going to pull a undergrad female into a semi- kangaroo court system for months over a party outfit worn off campus then I absolutely expect the same if the offense is celebrating the death of another person.

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How would you monitor the social media posts of Baylor undergrads? Would you rely on students to report posts that are offensive? Who decides what posts are offensive?

Osodecentx said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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Osodecentx said:

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BearlySpeaking said:

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Osodecentx said:

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BaylorFTW said:

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Realitybites said:

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So has Baylor gotten rid of him yet?

Perhaps redirecting any $ earmarked for Baylor to TPUSA is an appropriate response if they have not.

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No official statement has been made that I am aware of. I am out of town on a business trip but if time permits will be making inquiries tomorrow or on Tuesday. Regardless, I will be stepping things up next Monday if no action has been taken.

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Do you want Baylor to expel undergraduates who post material about Kirk that you deem offensive or inappropriate?

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I'm okay with quite a bit of stuff I find offensive to be posted. I even say some things I'm sure you find offensive. Big believer in free speech/debate.

It's the advocating or celebrating a murder, that was motivated by bigotry, of a specific individual or group of people that crosses a line in the context of being associated with a corporation or institution. It's a gray area in free speech terms, but Baylor needs to ensure a safe campus. We don't need to become the next Utah Valley State. Tyler Robinson showed that someone expressing such sentiments will sometimes act on them. That is what is putting these people on everyone's radar.

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Would you expel a Baylor undergrad for posting things you find offensive?

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I knew a girl at Baylor who dressed up in bronzer and a NBA Jersey at an SAE party when I was at Baylor for a "E-Dogs" ghetto type themed party.

She made no racist statements or comments of any kind on social media or anywhere else.

The local Baylor NAACP leader kid at Baylor saw the pic and contacted Baylor admins. (He was apparently creeping on Sorority girls Facebook pages)

Her father had to fight with the Administration to NOT be kicked out of college (she was senior with great grades)…and it was a big deal and a long fight that went on all Spring Semester

And that was 20 years ago.

Baylor took charges (unfounded) of supposed racism more serious it seems than a student celebrating the death of another person.

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Not wanting to interpret your post incorrectly, would you expel an undergraduate for a post which you find offensive?
Isn't that what an earlier administration tried to do to the girl to whom you refer?

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And if Baylor is going to pull a undergrad female into a semi- kangaroo court system for months over a party outfit worn off campus then I absolutely expect the same if the offense is celebrating the death of another person.

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How would you monitor the social media posts of Baylor undergrads? Would you rely on students to report posts that are offensive? Who decides what posts are offensive?

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1. Apparently they were doing it in 2008…and or outsourcing the monitoring to the local NAACP chapter

2. Apparently Baylor admins get to arbitrarily decide what costumes are offensive and worthy of expulsion procedures

3. Are you implying that Baylor Admins do not have the right to make these decisions? Were they wrong in 2008? Or are they only wrong in 2025 if they move against a grad student who celebrates murder?

Osodecentx said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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Osodecentx said:

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BearlySpeaking said:

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Osodecentx said:

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BaylorFTW said:

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Realitybites said:

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So has Baylor gotten rid of him yet?

Perhaps redirecting any $ earmarked for Baylor to TPUSA is an appropriate response if they have not.

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No official statement has been made that I am aware of. I am out of town on a business trip but if time permits will be making inquiries tomorrow or on Tuesday. Regardless, I will be stepping things up next Monday if no action has been taken.

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Do you want Baylor to expel undergraduates who post material about Kirk that you deem offensive or inappropriate?

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I'm okay with quite a bit of stuff I find offensive to be posted. I even say some things I'm sure you find offensive. Big believer in free speech/debate.

It's the advocating or celebrating a murder, that was motivated by bigotry, of a specific individual or group of people that crosses a line in the context of being associated with a corporation or institution. It's a gray area in free speech terms, but Baylor needs to ensure a safe campus. We don't need to become the next Utah Valley State. Tyler Robinson showed that someone expressing such sentiments will sometimes act on them. That is what is putting these people on everyone's radar.

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Would you expel a Baylor undergrad for posting things you find offensive?

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I knew a girl at Baylor who dressed up in bronzer and a NBA Jersey at an SAE party when I was at Baylor for a "E-Dogs" ghetto type themed party.

She made no racist statements or comments of any kind on social media or anywhere else.

The local Baylor NAACP leader kid at Baylor saw the pic and contacted Baylor admins. (He was apparently creeping on Sorority girls Facebook pages)

Her father had to fight with the Administration to NOT be kicked out of college (she was senior with great grades)…and it was a big deal and a long fight that went on all Spring Semester

And that was 20 years ago.

Baylor took charges (unfounded) of supposed racism more serious it seems than a student celebrating the death of another person.

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Not wanting to interpret your post incorrectly, would you expel an undergraduate for a post which you find offensive?
Isn't that what an earlier administration tried to do to the girl to whom you refer?

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And if Baylor is going to pull a undergrad female into a semi- kangaroo court system for months over a party outfit worn off campus then I absolutely expect the same if the offense is celebrating the death of another person.

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How would you monitor the social media posts of Baylor undergrads? Would you rely on students to report posts that are offensive? Who decides what posts are offensive?

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I would pay no attention to it whatsoever unless someone forced me to do so. And then I would probably blow it off unless they were advocating violence, or were the cheering section for the murder of a body that has not yet gone cold.

The thing you seem to be missing here is that rooting for a public speaker at a university event to be shot and killed is a three sigma event, especially in a university context.

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Osodecentx said:

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BearlySpeaking said:

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Osodecentx said:

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BaylorFTW said:

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So has Baylor gotten rid of him yet?

Perhaps redirecting any $ earmarked for Baylor to TPUSA is an appropriate response if they have not.

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No official statement has been made that I am aware of. I am out of town on a business trip but if time permits will be making inquiries tomorrow or on Tuesday. Regardless, I will be stepping things up next Monday if no action has been taken.

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Do you want Baylor to expel undergraduates who post material about Kirk that you deem offensive or inappropriate?

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I'm okay with quite a bit of stuff I find offensive to be posted. I even say some things I'm sure you find offensive. Big believer in free speech/debate.

It's the advocating or celebrating a murder, that was motivated by bigotry, of a specific individual or group of people that crosses a line in the context of being associated with a corporation or institution. It's a gray area in free speech terms, but Baylor needs to ensure a safe campus. We don't need to become the next Utah Valley State. Tyler Robinson showed that someone expressing such sentiments will sometimes act on them. That is what is putting these people on everyone's radar.

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Would you expel a Baylor undergrad for posting things you find offensive?

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I knew a girl at Baylor who dressed up in bronzer and a NBA Jersey at an SAE party when I was at Baylor for a "E-Dogs" ghetto type themed party.

She made no racist statements or comments of any kind on social media or anywhere else.

The local Baylor NAACP leader kid at Baylor saw the pic and contacted Baylor admins. (He was apparently creeping on Sorority girls Facebook pages)

Her father had to fight with the Administration to NOT be kicked out of college (she was a senior with great grades)…and it was a big big deal and a long fight that went on all Spring Semester

And that was 20 years ago….

Baylor took charges (unfounded) of supposed racism more serious it seems than a student celebrating the death of another person.

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Assassinating Christian's , murdering unborn babies, burning business to the ground: debatable. just don't say anything racist, there's nothing worse in the world

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Sam Lowry said:

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The Left's accusations against Charlie were all lies. None of them had an iota of truth.

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That may be. I didn't really follow his work and haven't accused him of anything.

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They are false. When the accusations started racking up, they didn't jibe with the few video clips I had seen of him in the past. But there were a lot of accusations, so I went looking for the longer video clips where they claimed he said stuff they found hateful. In every case so far it turned out the accusations were false. For example, people who hated him would post that he said he didn't believe in empathy. The longer clip showed he said he preferred sympathy, because the focus is on the other person instead of your own empathetic feelings. Completely changed the available rational hermeneutical positions you can take on that statement. In looking for these quotes, I came across one video where he was talking to a guy who said he was trans and having personal difficulties and another with a gay conservative student who asked him what he thought about the presence of gays in the conservative movement. In both cases, he treated them respectfully and did not say anything that could be interpreted as demeaning, even when he acknowledged political/moral differences.

When the accusations started coming out, I started wondering if where there is smoke there is also fire. That is why I went looking for the videos. What I learned is what I already knew - the Internet is a wonderful machine for spreading lies. The long videos are available for you to judge for yourself. It's fine if you don't care, but this video content has become important because of the large number of people on the left I am seeing justify his murder because he held unacceptable ideas. If the specific accusations they have been making turn out to be false, many people are going to need to move on to another justification for his murder.

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These are excellent points. If I don't care about the accusations, it's only because I've been so disgusted by the gloating over Kirk's death that it hardly matters to me if they are true.

On the other hand, I can't help noticing that many on the right seem eager for an excuse to escalate. I wonder how far we're willing to enforce this rule against "advocating or celebrating the murder, motivated by bigotry, of a specific individual or group of people." It seems to me that this is advocated and celebrated almost daily with respect to the people of Gaza, who are referred to on this board as animals, cockroaches, and pimples on the ass of humanity, all without anyone batting an eye.

I also wonder how much pressure is being exerted against Fox News since one of their hosts advocated the mass murder of homeless people. Thankfully I've yet to see anyone here endorse that, but I haven't seen any great wave of protest either.

Redbrickbear said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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Osodecentx said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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Osodecentx said:

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BearlySpeaking said:

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Osodecentx said:

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BaylorFTW said:

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Realitybites said:

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So has Baylor gotten rid of him yet?

Perhaps redirecting any $ earmarked for Baylor to TPUSA is an appropriate response if they have not.

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No official statement has been made that I am aware of. I am out of town on a business trip but if time permits will be making inquiries tomorrow or on Tuesday. Regardless, I will be stepping things up next Monday if no action has been taken.

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Do you want Baylor to expel undergraduates who post material about Kirk that you deem offensive or inappropriate?

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I'm okay with quite a bit of stuff I find offensive to be posted. I even say some things I'm sure you find offensive. Big believer in free speech/debate.

It's the advocating or celebrating a murder, that was motivated by bigotry, of a specific individual or group of people that crosses a line in the context of being associated with a corporation or institution. It's a gray area in free speech terms, but Baylor needs to ensure a safe campus. We don't need to become the next Utah Valley State. Tyler Robinson showed that someone expressing such sentiments will sometimes act on them. That is what is putting these people on everyone's radar.

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Would you expel a Baylor undergrad for posting things you find offensive?

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I knew a girl at Baylor who dressed up in bronzer and a NBA Jersey at an SAE party when I was at Baylor for a "E-Dogs" ghetto type themed party.

She made no racist statements or comments of any kind on social media or anywhere else.

The local Baylor NAACP leader kid at Baylor saw the pic and contacted Baylor admins. (He was apparently creeping on Sorority girls Facebook pages)

Her father had to fight with the Administration to NOT be kicked out of college (she was senior with great grades)…and it was a big deal and a long fight that went on all Spring Semester

And that was 20 years ago.

Baylor took charges (unfounded) of supposed racism more serious it seems than a student celebrating the death of another person.

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Not wanting to interpret your post incorrectly, would you expel an undergraduate for a post which you find offensive?
Isn't that what an earlier administration tried to do to the girl to whom you refer?

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And if Baylor is going to pull a undergrad female into a semi- kangaroo court system for months over a party outfit worn off campus then I absolutely expect the same if the offense is celebrating the death of another person.

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How would you monitor the social media posts of Baylor undergrads? Would you rely on students to report posts that are offensive? Who decides what posts are offensive?

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1. Apparently they were doing it in 2008…and or outsourcing the monitoring to the local NAACP chapter

2. Apparently Baylor admins get to arbitrarily decide what costumes are offensive and worthy of expulsion procedures

3. Are you implying that Baylor Admins do not have the right to make these decisions? Were they wrong in 2008? Or are they only wrong in 2025 if they move against a grad student who celebrates murder?

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Baylor expelled coeds in the 40s for smoking. Baylor expelled students for dancing at 'functions' in the 50s because they had the power to do so.

They were wrong in 2008, and many times before. What have they done with the grad student in 2025? If you take action against students based on the complaint of one outside organization, are you obligated to take action based on the reports of all organizations forever? Perhaps there is room for change

Robert E Lee, when president of Washington College set the code of conduct for the students, "act like a gentleman". That is too vague for our times, but men were expelled for conduct that, in Lee's opinion, did not adhere to the code. Baylor's code of conduct in the past shouldn't bind her forever.

Sam Lowry said:

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BearlySpeaking said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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historian said:

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The Left's accusations against Charlie were all lies. None of them had an iota of truth.

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That may be. I didn't really follow his work and haven't accused him of anything.

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They are false. When the accusations started racking up, they didn't jibe with the few video clips I had seen of him in the past. But there were a lot of accusations, so I went looking for the longer video clips where they claimed he said stuff they found hateful. In every case so far it turned out the accusations were false. For example, people who hated him would post that he said he didn't believe in empathy. The longer clip showed he said he preferred sympathy, because the focus is on the other person instead of your own empathetic feelings. Completely changed the available rational hermeneutical positions you can take on that statement. In looking for these quotes, I came across one video where he was talking to a guy who said he was trans and having personal difficulties and another with a gay conservative student who asked him what he thought about the presence of gays in the conservative movement. In both cases, he treated them respectfully and did not say anything that could be interpreted as demeaning, even when he acknowledged political/moral differences.

When the accusations started coming out, I started wondering if where there is smoke there is also fire. That is why I went looking for the videos. What I learned is what I already knew - the Internet is a wonderful machine for spreading lies. The long videos are available for you to judge for yourself. It's fine if you don't care, but this video content has become important because of the large number of people on the left I am seeing justify his murder because he held unacceptable ideas. If the specific accusations they have been making turn out to be false, many people are going to need to move on to another justification for his murder.

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These are excellent points. If I don't care about the accusations, it's only because I've been so disgusted by the gloating over Kirk's death that it hardly matters to me if they are true.

On the other hand, I can't help noticing that many on the right seem eager for an excuse to escalate. I wonder how far we're willing to enforce this rule against "advocating or celebrating the murder, motivated by bigotry, of a specific individual or group of people." It seems to me that this is advocated and celebrated almost daily with respect to the people of Gaza, who are referred to on this board as animals, cockroaches, and pimples on the ass of humanity, all without anyone batting an eye.

I also wonder how much pressure is being exerted against Fox News since one of their hosts advocated the mass murder of homeless people. Thankfully I've yet to see anyone here endorse that, but I haven't seen any great wave of protest either.

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"The right" just watched one of their own, a young, articulate and incredibly respectful man who championed their cause in the lion's den of conservative-hating academia, get brutally murdered for having many views that they share and respectfully debating those views. You think they need an "excuse to escalate?" What planet are you living on?

D. C. Bear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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BearlySpeaking said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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historian said:

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wheThe Left's accusations against Charlie were all lies. None of them had an iota of truth.

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That may be. I didn't really follow his work and haven't accused him of anything.

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They are false. When the accusations started racking up, they didn't jibe with the few video clips I had seen of him in the past. But there were a lot of accusations, so I went looking for the longer video clips where they claimed he said stuff they found hateful. In every case so far it turned out the accusations were false. For example, people who hated him would post that he said he didn't believe in empathy. The longer clip showed he said he preferred sympathy, because the focus is on the other person instead of your own empathetic feelings. Completely changed the available rational hermeneutical positions you can take on that statement. In looking for these quotes, I came across one video where he was talking to a guy who said he was trans and having personal difficulties and another with a gay conservative student who asked him what he thought about the presence of gays in the conservative movement. In both cases, he treated them respectfully and did not say anything that could be interpreted as demeaning, even when he acknowledged political/moral differences.

When the accusations started coming out, I started wondering if where there is smoke there is also fire. That is why I went looking for the videos. What I learned is what I already knew - the Internet is a wonderful machine for spreading lies. The long videos are available for you to judge for yourself. It's fine if you don't care, but this video content has become important because of the large number of people on the left I am seeing justify his murder because he held unacceptable ideas. If the specific accusations they have been making turn out to be false, many people are going to need to move on to another justification for his murder.

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These are excellent points. If I don't care about the accusations, it's only because I've been so disgusted by the gloating over Kirk's death that it hardly matters to me if they are true.

On the other hand, I can't help noticing that many on the right seem eager for an excuse to escalate. I wonder how far we're willing to enforce this rule against "advocating or celebrating the murder, motivated by bigotry, of a specific individual or group of people." It seems to me that this is advocated and celebrated almost daily with respect to the people of Gaza, who are referred to on this board as animals, cockroaches, and pimples on the ass of humanity, all without anyone batting an eye.

I also wonder how much pressure is being exerted against Fox News since one of their hosts advocated the mass murder of homeless people. Thankfully I've yet to see anyone here endorse that, but I haven't seen any great wave of protest either.

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"The right" just watched one of their own, a young, articulate and incredibly respectful man who championed their cause in the lion's den of conservative-hating academia, get brutally murdered for having many views that they share and respectfully debating those views. You think they need an "excuse to escalate?" What planet are you living on?

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Sam lives in his own world full of puppy's and daisy's when it comes to left wing politics. However when it shifts to the right, it's more like Doberman's and poison ivy

D. C. Bear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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BearlySpeaking said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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historian said:

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The Left's accusations against Charlie were all lies. None of them had an iota of truth.

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That may be. I didn't really follow his work and haven't accused him of anything.

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They are false. When the accusations started racking up, they didn't jibe with the few video clips I had seen of him in the past. But there were a lot of accusations, so I went looking for the longer video clips where they claimed he said stuff they found hateful. In every case so far it turned out the accusations were false. For example, people who hated him would post that he said he didn't believe in empathy. The longer clip showed he said he preferred sympathy, because the focus is on the other person instead of your own empathetic feelings. Completely changed the available rational hermeneutical positions you can take on that statement. In looking for these quotes, I came across one video where he was talking to a guy who said he was trans and having personal difficulties and another with a gay conservative student who asked him what he thought about the presence of gays in the conservative movement. In both cases, he treated them respectfully and did not say anything that could be interpreted as demeaning, even when he acknowledged political/moral differences.

When the accusations started coming out, I started wondering if where there is smoke there is also fire. That is why I went looking for the videos. What I learned is what I already knew - the Internet is a wonderful machine for spreading lies. The long videos are available for you to judge for yourself. It's fine if you don't care, but this video content has become important because of the large number of people on the left I am seeing justify his murder because he held unacceptable ideas. If the specific accusations they have been making turn out to be false, many people are going to need to move on to another justification for his murder.

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These are excellent points. If I don't care about the accusations, it's only because I've been so disgusted by the gloating over Kirk's death that it hardly matters to me if they are true.

On the other hand, I can't help noticing that many on the right seem eager for an excuse to escalate. I wonder how far we're willing to enforce this rule against "advocating or celebrating the murder, motivated by bigotry, of a specific individual or group of people." It seems to me that this is advocated and celebrated almost daily with respect to the people of Gaza, who are referred to on this board as animals, cockroaches, and pimples on the ass of humanity, all without anyone batting an eye.

I also wonder how much pressure is being exerted against Fox News since one of their hosts advocated the mass murder of homeless people. Thankfully I've yet to see anyone here endorse that, but I haven't seen any great wave of protest either.

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"The right" just watched one of their own, a young, articulate and incredibly respectful man who championed their cause in the lion's den of conservative-hating academia, get brutally murdered for having many views that they share and respectfully debating those views. You think they need an "excuse to escalate?" What planet are you living on?

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Whoever is typing under that handle now has just plain gone off the deep end.

D. C. Bear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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BearlySpeaking said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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historian said:

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The Left's accusations against Charlie were all lies. None of them had an iota of truth.

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That may be. I didn't really follow his work and haven't accused him of anything.

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They are false. When the accusations started racking up, they didn't jibe with the few video clips I had seen of him in the past. But there were a lot of accusations, so I went looking for the longer video clips where they claimed he said stuff they found hateful. In every case so far it turned out the accusations were false. For example, people who hated him would post that he said he didn't believe in empathy. The longer clip showed he said he preferred sympathy, because the focus is on the other person instead of your own empathetic feelings. Completely changed the available rational hermeneutical positions you can take on that statement. In looking for these quotes, I came across one video where he was talking to a guy who said he was trans and having personal difficulties and another with a gay conservative student who asked him what he thought about the presence of gays in the conservative movement. In both cases, he treated them respectfully and did not say anything that could be interpreted as demeaning, even when he acknowledged political/moral differences.

When the accusations started coming out, I started wondering if where there is smoke there is also fire. That is why I went looking for the videos. What I learned is what I already knew - the Internet is a wonderful machine for spreading lies. The long videos are available for you to judge for yourself. It's fine if you don't care, but this video content has become important because of the large number of people on the left I am seeing justify his murder because he held unacceptable ideas. If the specific accusations they have been making turn out to be false, many people are going to need to move on to another justification for his murder.

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These are excellent points. If I don't care about the accusations, it's only because I've been so disgusted by the gloating over Kirk's death that it hardly matters to me if they are true.

On the other hand, I can't help noticing that many on the right seem eager for an excuse to escalate. I wonder how far we're willing to enforce this rule against "advocating or celebrating the murder, motivated by bigotry, of a specific individual or group of people." It seems to me that this is advocated and celebrated almost daily with respect to the people of Gaza, who are referred to on this board as animals, cockroaches, and pimples on the ass of humanity, all without anyone batting an eye.

I also wonder how much pressure is being exerted against Fox News since one of their hosts advocated the mass murder of homeless people. Thankfully I've yet to see anyone here endorse that, but I haven't seen any great wave of protest either.

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"The right" just watched one of their own, a young, articulate and incredibly respectful man who championed their cause in the lion's den of conservative-hating academia, get brutally murdered for having many views that they share and respectfully debating those views. You think they need an "excuse to escalate?" What planet are you living on?

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The conservative Christian right has suffered a huge loss.

Not at all sure Kirk can be replaced.

Especially involving his impact with younger Americans.

KaiBear said:

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D. C. Bear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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BearlySpeaking said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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historian said:

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The Left's accusations against Charlie were all lies. None of them had an iota of truth.

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That may be. I didn't really follow his work and haven't accused him of anything.

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They are false. When the accusations started racking up, they didn't jibe with the few video clips I had seen of him in the past. But there were a lot of accusations, so I went looking for the longer video clips where they claimed he said stuff they found hateful. In every case so far it turned out the accusations were false. For example, people who hated him would post that he said he didn't believe in empathy. The longer clip showed he said he preferred sympathy, because the focus is on the other person instead of your own empathetic feelings. Completely changed the available rational hermeneutical positions you can take on that statement. In looking for these quotes, I came across one video where he was talking to a guy who said he was trans and having personal difficulties and another with a gay conservative student who asked him what he thought about the presence of gays in the conservative movement. In both cases, he treated them respectfully and did not say anything that could be interpreted as demeaning, even when he acknowledged political/moral differences.

When the accusations started coming out, I started wondering if where there is smoke there is also fire. That is why I went looking for the videos. What I learned is what I already knew - the Internet is a wonderful machine for spreading lies. The long videos are available for you to judge for yourself. It's fine if you don't care, but this video content has become important because of the large number of people on the left I am seeing justify his murder because he held unacceptable ideas. If the specific accusations they have been making turn out to be false, many people are going to need to move on to another justification for his murder.

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These are excellent points. If I don't care about the accusations, it's only because I've been so disgusted by the gloating over Kirk's death that it hardly matters to me if they are true.

On the other hand, I can't help noticing that many on the right seem eager for an excuse to escalate. I wonder how far we're willing to enforce this rule against "advocating or celebrating the murder, motivated by bigotry, of a specific individual or group of people." It seems to me that this is advocated and celebrated almost daily with respect to the people of Gaza, who are referred to on this board as animals, cockroaches, and pimples on the ass of humanity, all without anyone batting an eye.

I also wonder how much pressure is being exerted against Fox News since one of their hosts advocated the mass murder of homeless people. Thankfully I've yet to see anyone here endorse that, but I haven't seen any great wave of protest either.

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"The right" just watched one of their own, a young, articulate and incredibly respectful man who championed their cause in the lion's den of conservative-hating academia, get brutally murdered for having many views that they share and respectfully debating those views. You think they need an "excuse to escalate?" What planet are you living on?

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The conservative Christian right has suffered a huge loss.

Not at all sure Kirk can be replaced.

Especially involving his impact with younger Americans.

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I'm thinking he can be replaced as a group, through the mass number of new Gen Z's that have joined and created new chapters of Turning Point. As a single person however, I've been looking at the folk that surround him and its really hard to see someone with a steel trap memory PLUS near perfect debate skills without yelling. That's damn near impossible anywhere

D. C. Bear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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BearlySpeaking said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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historian said:

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The Left's accusations against Charlie were all lies. None of them had an iota of truth.

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That may be. I didn't really follow his work and haven't accused him of anything.

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They are false. When the accusations started racking up, they didn't jibe with the few video clips I had seen of him in the past. But there were a lot of accusations, so I went looking for the longer video clips where they claimed he said stuff they found hateful. In every case so far it turned out the accusations were false. For example, people who hated him would post that he said he didn't believe in empathy. The longer clip showed he said he preferred sympathy, because the focus is on the other person instead of your own empathetic feelings. Completely changed the available rational hermeneutical positions you can take on that statement. In looking for these quotes, I came across one video where he was talking to a guy who said he was trans and having personal difficulties and another with a gay conservative student who asked him what he thought about the presence of gays in the conservative movement. In both cases, he treated them respectfully and did not say anything that could be interpreted as demeaning, even when he acknowledged political/moral differences.

When the accusations started coming out, I started wondering if where there is smoke there is also fire. That is why I went looking for the videos. What I learned is what I already knew - the Internet is a wonderful machine for spreading lies. The long videos are available for you to judge for yourself. It's fine if you don't care, but this video content has become important because of the large number of people on the left I am seeing justify his murder because he held unacceptable ideas. If the specific accusations they have been making turn out to be false, many people are going to need to move on to another justification for his murder.

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These are excellent points. If I don't care about the accusations, it's only because I've been so disgusted by the gloating over Kirk's death that it hardly matters to me if they are true.

On the other hand, I can't help noticing that many on the right seem eager for an excuse to escalate. I wonder how far we're willing to enforce this rule against "advocating or celebrating the murder, motivated by bigotry, of a specific individual or group of people." It seems to me that this is advocated and celebrated almost daily with respect to the people of Gaza, who are referred to on this board as animals, cockroaches, and pimples on the ass of humanity, all without anyone batting an eye.

I also wonder how much pressure is being exerted against Fox News since one of their hosts advocated the mass murder of homeless people. Thankfully I've yet to see anyone here endorse that, but I haven't seen any great wave of protest either.

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"The right" just watched one of their own, a young, articulate and incredibly respectful man who championed their cause in the lion's den of conservative-hating academia, get brutally murdered for having many views that they share and respectfully debating those views. You think they need an "excuse to escalate?" What planet are you living on?

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I'm living on a planet (and reading in a forum) where Republicans talk about civil war, crushing political opposition out of existence, and putting their enemies underground. Most people don't consider that normal.

KaiBear said:

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D. C. Bear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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BearlySpeaking said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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historian said:

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The Left's accusations against Charlie were all lies. None of them had an iota of truth.

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That may be. I didn't really follow his work and haven't accused him of anything.

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They are false. When the accusations started racking up, they didn't jibe with the few video clips I had seen of him in the past. But there were a lot of accusations, so I went looking for the longer video clips where they claimed he said stuff they found hateful. In every case so far it turned out the accusations were false. For example, people who hated him would post that he said he didn't believe in empathy. The longer clip showed he said he preferred sympathy, because the focus is on the other person instead of your own empathetic feelings. Completely changed the available rational hermeneutical positions you can take on that statement. In looking for these quotes, I came across one video where he was talking to a guy who said he was trans and having personal difficulties and another with a gay conservative student who asked him what he thought about the presence of gays in the conservative movement. In both cases, he treated them respectfully and did not say anything that could be interpreted as demeaning, even when he acknowledged political/moral differences.

When the accusations started coming out, I started wondering if where there is smoke there is also fire. That is why I went looking for the videos. What I learned is what I already knew - the Internet is a wonderful machine for spreading lies. The long videos are available for you to judge for yourself. It's fine if you don't care, but this video content has become important because of the large number of people on the left I am seeing justify his murder because he held unacceptable ideas. If the specific accusations they have been making turn out to be false, many people are going to need to move on to another justification for his murder.

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These are excellent points. If I don't care about the accusations, it's only because I've been so disgusted by the gloating over Kirk's death that it hardly matters to me if they are true.

On the other hand, I can't help noticing that many on the right seem eager for an excuse to escalate. I wonder how far we're willing to enforce this rule against "advocating or celebrating the murder, motivated by bigotry, of a specific individual or group of people." It seems to me that this is advocated and celebrated almost daily with respect to the people of Gaza, who are referred to on this board as animals, cockroaches, and pimples on the ass of humanity, all without anyone batting an eye.

I also wonder how much pressure is being exerted against Fox News since one of their hosts advocated the mass murder of homeless people. Thankfully I've yet to see anyone here endorse that, but I haven't seen any great wave of protest either.

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"The right" just watched one of their own, a young, articulate and incredibly respectful man who championed their cause in the lion's den of conservative-hating academia, get brutally murdered for having many views that they share and respectfully debating those views. You think they need an "excuse to escalate?" What planet are you living on?

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The conservative Christian right has suffered a huge loss.

Not at all sure Kirk can be replaced.

Especially involving his impact with younger Americans.

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He'll be replaced by Nick Fuentes which is why they are trying anything they can to tie Kirk's murder to him.

Sam Lowry said:

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D. C. Bear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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BearlySpeaking said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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historian said:

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The Left's accusations against Charlie were all lies. None of them had an iota of truth.

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That may be. I didn't really follow his work and haven't accused him of anything.

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They are false. When the accusations started racking up, they didn't jibe with the few video clips I had seen of him in the past. But there were a lot of accusations, so I went looking for the longer video clips where they claimed he said stuff they found hateful. In every case so far it turned out the accusations were false. For example, people who hated him would post that he said he didn't believe in empathy. The longer clip showed he said he preferred sympathy, because the focus is on the other person instead of your own empathetic feelings. Completely changed the available rational hermeneutical positions you can take on that statement. In looking for these quotes, I came across one video where he was talking to a guy who said he was trans and having personal difficulties and another with a gay conservative student who asked him what he thought about the presence of gays in the conservative movement. In both cases, he treated them respectfully and did not say anything that could be interpreted as demeaning, even when he acknowledged political/moral differences.

When the accusations started coming out, I started wondering if where there is smoke there is also fire. That is why I went looking for the videos. What I learned is what I already knew - the Internet is a wonderful machine for spreading lies. The long videos are available for you to judge for yourself. It's fine if you don't care, but this video content has become important because of the large number of people on the left I am seeing justify his murder because he held unacceptable ideas. If the specific accusations they have been making turn out to be false, many people are going to need to move on to another justification for his murder.

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These are excellent points. If I don't care about the accusations, it's only because I've been so disgusted by the gloating over Kirk's death that it hardly matters to me if they are true.

On the other hand, I can't help noticing that many on the right seem eager for an excuse to escalate. I wonder how far we're willing to enforce this rule against "advocating or celebrating the murder, motivated by bigotry, of a specific individual or group of people." It seems to me that this is advocated and celebrated almost daily with respect to the people of Gaza, who are referred to on this board as animals, cockroaches, and pimples on the ass of humanity, all without anyone batting an eye.

I also wonder how much pressure is being exerted against Fox News since one of their hosts advocated the mass murder of homeless people. Thankfully I've yet to see anyone here endorse that, but I haven't seen any great wave of protest either.

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"The right" just watched one of their own, a young, articulate and incredibly respectful man who championed their cause in the lion's den of conservative-hating academia, get brutally murdered for having many views that they share and respectfully debating those views. You think they need an "excuse to escalate?" What planet are you living on?

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I'm living on a planet (and reading in a forum) where Republicans talk about civil war, crushing political opposition out of existence, and putting their enemies underground. Most people don't consider that normal.

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Answer this question: Why do you think, given what just happened, that "the right" would need to look anywhere else for an "excuse to escalate?"

D. C. Bear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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D. C. Bear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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BearlySpeaking said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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historian said:

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The Left's accusations against Charlie were all lies. None of them had an iota of truth.

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That may be. I didn't really follow his work and haven't accused him of anything.

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They are false. When the accusations started racking up, they didn't jibe with the few video clips I had seen of him in the past. But there were a lot of accusations, so I went looking for the longer video clips where they claimed he said stuff they found hateful. In every case so far it turned out the accusations were false. For example, people who hated him would post that he said he didn't believe in empathy. The longer clip showed he said he preferred sympathy, because the focus is on the other person instead of your own empathetic feelings. Completely changed the available rational hermeneutical positions you can take on that statement. In looking for these quotes, I came across one video where he was talking to a guy who said he was trans and having personal difficulties and another with a gay conservative student who asked him what he thought about the presence of gays in the conservative movement. In both cases, he treated them respectfully and did not say anything that could be interpreted as demeaning, even when he acknowledged political/moral differences.

When the accusations started coming out, I started wondering if where there is smoke there is also fire. That is why I went looking for the videos. What I learned is what I already knew - the Internet is a wonderful machine for spreading lies. The long videos are available for you to judge for yourself. It's fine if you don't care, but this video content has become important because of the large number of people on the left I am seeing justify his murder because he held unacceptable ideas. If the specific accusations they have been making turn out to be false, many people are going to need to move on to another justification for his murder.

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These are excellent points. If I don't care about the accusations, it's only because I've been so disgusted by the gloating over Kirk's death that it hardly matters to me if they are true.

On the other hand, I can't help noticing that many on the right seem eager for an excuse to escalate. I wonder how far we're willing to enforce this rule against "advocating or celebrating the murder, motivated by bigotry, of a specific individual or group of people." It seems to me that this is advocated and celebrated almost daily with respect to the people of Gaza, who are referred to on this board as animals, cockroaches, and pimples on the ass of humanity, all without anyone batting an eye.

I also wonder how much pressure is being exerted against Fox News since one of their hosts advocated the mass murder of homeless people. Thankfully I've yet to see anyone here endorse that, but I haven't seen any great wave of protest either.

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"The right" just watched one of their own, a young, articulate and incredibly respectful man who championed their cause in the lion's den of conservative-hating academia, get brutally murdered for having many views that they share and respectfully debating those views. You think they need an "excuse to escalate?" What planet are you living on?

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I'm living on a planet (and reading in a forum) where Republicans talk about civil war, crushing political opposition out of existence, and putting their enemies underground. Most people don't consider that normal.

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Answer this question: Why do you think, given what just happened, that "the right" would need to look anywhere else for an "excuse to escalate?"

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They're not looking anywhere else. This is the excuse they were looking for.

https://nypost.com/2025/09/15/us-news/texas-tech-student-arrested-after-hurling-vile-comments-at-charlie-kirk-mourners-f-k-yall-homie-dead/

A Texas Tech student was arrested after she was filmed mocking Charlie Kirk's assassination and harassing mourners at a vigil for the conservative influencer.

Camryn Giselle Booker, 18, was recorded jumping around and yelling at fellow students paying tribute to Kirk, "Fk y'all homie dead, he got shot in the head."

🚨 UPDATE: It's being reported that this demon who danced on Charlie Kirk's grave has been expelled from Texas Tech. She said: "f-ck y'all, yo homie d*ad!" They're finding out.pic.twitter.com/Pj7YUo3MOE

— Eric Daugherty (@EricLDaugh) September 14, 2025

Sam Lowry said:

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D. C. Bear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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BearlySpeaking said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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historian said:

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The Left's accusations against Charlie were all lies. None of them had an iota of truth.

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That may be. I didn't really follow his work and haven't accused him of anything.

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They are false. When the accusations started racking up, they didn't jibe with the few video clips I had seen of him in the past. But there were a lot of accusations, so I went looking for the longer video clips where they claimed he said stuff they found hateful. In every case so far it turned out the accusations were false. For example, people who hated him would post that he said he didn't believe in empathy. The longer clip showed he said he preferred sympathy, because the focus is on the other person instead of your own empathetic feelings. Completely changed the available rational hermeneutical positions you can take on that statement. In looking for these quotes, I came across one video where he was talking to a guy who said he was trans and having personal difficulties and another with a gay conservative student who asked him what he thought about the presence of gays in the conservative movement. In both cases, he treated them respectfully and did not say anything that could be interpreted as demeaning, even when he acknowledged political/moral differences.

When the accusations started coming out, I started wondering if where there is smoke there is also fire. That is why I went looking for the videos. What I learned is what I already knew - the Internet is a wonderful machine for spreading lies. The long videos are available for you to judge for yourself. It's fine if you don't care, but this video content has become important because of the large number of people on the left I am seeing justify his murder because he held unacceptable ideas. If the specific accusations they have been making turn out to be false, many people are going to need to move on to another justification for his murder.

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These are excellent points. If I don't care about the accusations, it's only because I've been so disgusted by the gloating over Kirk's death that it hardly matters to me if they are true.

On the other hand, I can't help noticing that many on the right seem eager for an excuse to escalate. I wonder how far we're willing to enforce this rule against "advocating or celebrating the murder, motivated by bigotry, of a specific individual or group of people." It seems to me that this is advocated and celebrated almost daily with respect to the people of Gaza, who are referred to on this board as animals, cockroaches, and pimples on the ass of humanity, all without anyone batting an eye.

I also wonder how much pressure is being exerted against Fox News since one of their hosts advocated the mass murder of homeless people. Thankfully I've yet to see anyone here endorse that, but I haven't seen any great wave of protest either.

---

"The right" just watched one of their own, a young, articulate and incredibly respectful man who championed their cause in the lion's den of conservative-hating academia, get brutally murdered for having many views that they share and respectfully debating those views. You think they need an "excuse to escalate?" What planet are you living on?

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I'm living on a planet (and reading in a forum) where my Democrat party talks about civil war, crushing political opposition out of existence, and putting their enemies underground. Most people don't consider that normal.

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FIFY

Doubt Texas Tech would expell the fat gal.

Would be a costly mistake.