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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:Mitch Blood Green said:RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:Mitch Blood Green said:RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:Aliceinbubbleland said:
No one other than military or police needs assault rifles.
It's time to require real verifiable names to post on social media platforms.
Define assault rifle. Wouldn't that be any long gun (including shotguns) used in an assault?
Whose names do you want posted on social media platforms?
This wasn't the only shooting like this in the last 24 hours. Some guy in a boat approached a dock in NC and shot up the patrons at a restaurant.
For all the details we argue about (race, gender, mental health status, sexual orientation, etc) the thing that remains constant is the gun.
The bullet doesn't care about all the things we do. It just destroys lives. The bullet doesn't care that you're a better dude than me, when it comes at us, you could be ****ed.
We can do something about this. We won't. After Sandy Hook, I lost faith in our will to do what's right for the country.
https://nypost.com/2025/09/28/us-news/southport-mass-shooting-suspect-identified-as-nigel-edge-after-deadly-north-carolina-attack-report/
In my 62 years of life, I have never once had any of my guns jump up and shoot at anybody. Not once.
Timothy McVeigh took 168 lives without pulling a trigger. Fertilizer and jet fuel are still legal.
62 is young. You're right, your gun is innocent. Still, we should make sure your gun never ends up in my diseased hands.
Every Hairy Dick Tom should not be able to get a gun just because they turned 18.
The easiest thing to do to drastically reduce gun crime and murder is to make it so Democrats leave the country. If they did that, they'd kill a lot fewer people. Sure they'd take up knives, but that'd have less of an impact.
Not sure why this would be controversial to you. Much better than the sane people having to give their guns up just because Dems are animals by and large.
Not a serious solutions provider.
What if we gave everyone their own force field?
What if we gave every Christian a Terminator when they get baptized?
Mitch Blood Green said:TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:Mitch Blood Green said:RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:Mitch Blood Green said:RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:Aliceinbubbleland said:
No one other than military or police needs assault rifles.
It's time to require real verifiable names to post on social media platforms.
Define assault rifle. Wouldn't that be any long gun (including shotguns) used in an assault?
Whose names do you want posted on social media platforms?
This wasn't the only shooting like this in the last 24 hours. Some guy in a boat approached a dock in NC and shot up the patrons at a restaurant.
For all the details we argue about (race, gender, mental health status, sexual orientation, etc) the thing that remains constant is the gun.
The bullet doesn't care about all the things we do. It just destroys lives. The bullet doesn't care that you're a better dude than me, when it comes at us, you could be ****ed.
We can do something about this. We won't. After Sandy Hook, I lost faith in our will to do what's right for the country.
https://nypost.com/2025/09/28/us-news/southport-mass-shooting-suspect-identified-as-nigel-edge-after-deadly-north-carolina-attack-report/
In my 62 years of life, I have never once had any of my guns jump up and shoot at anybody. Not once.
Timothy McVeigh took 168 lives without pulling a trigger. Fertilizer and jet fuel are still legal.
62 is young. You're right, your gun is innocent. Still, we should make sure your gun never ends up in my diseased hands.
Every Hairy Dick Tom should not be able to get a gun just because they turned 18.
The easiest thing to do to drastically reduce gun crime and murder is to make it so Democrats leave the country. If they did that, they'd kill a lot fewer people. Sure they'd take up knives, but that'd have less of an impact.
Not sure why this would be controversial to you. Much better than the sane people having to give their guns up just because Dems are animals by and large.
Not a serious solutions provider.
What if we gave everyone their own force field?
What if we gave every Christian a Terminator when they get baptized?
Because, it's better to just admit the real root cause. Dems are violent. No one but Dems should ever willingly give up there guns - because Dems are so violent, sane people need them to protect their families, communities and schools. It's far past time for police to be on site at every school to protect the kids from the crazy.
Thee tinfoil hat couch-potato prognosticator, not a bible school preacher.
You need a new hobby.
Gunter gleiben glauchen globen
TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:Mitch Blood Green said:TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:Mitch Blood Green said:RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:Mitch Blood Green said:RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:Aliceinbubbleland said:
No one other than military or police needs assault rifles.
It's time to require real verifiable names to post on social media platforms.
Define assault rifle. Wouldn't that be any long gun (including shotguns) used in an assault?
Whose names do you want posted on social media platforms?
This wasn't the only shooting like this in the last 24 hours. Some guy in a boat approached a dock in NC and shot up the patrons at a restaurant.
For all the details we argue about (race, gender, mental health status, sexual orientation, etc) the thing that remains constant is the gun.
The bullet doesn't care about all the things we do. It just destroys lives. The bullet doesn't care that you're a better dude than me, when it comes at us, you could be ****ed.
We can do something about this. We won't. After Sandy Hook, I lost faith in our will to do what's right for the country.
https://nypost.com/2025/09/28/us-news/southport-mass-shooting-suspect-identified-as-nigel-edge-after-deadly-north-carolina-attack-report/
In my 62 years of life, I have never once had any of my guns jump up and shoot at anybody. Not once.
Timothy McVeigh took 168 lives without pulling a trigger. Fertilizer and jet fuel are still legal.
62 is young. You're right, your gun is innocent. Still, we should make sure your gun never ends up in my diseased hands.
Every Hairy Dick Tom should not be able to get a gun just because they turned 18.
The easiest thing to do to drastically reduce gun crime and murder is to make it so Democrats leave the country. If they did that, they'd kill a lot fewer people. Sure they'd take up knives, but that'd have less of an impact.
Not sure why this would be controversial to you. Much better than the sane people having to give their guns up just because Dems are animals by and large.
Not a serious solutions provider.
What if we gave everyone their own force field?
What if we gave every Christian a Terminator when they get baptized?
Because, it's better to just admit the real root cause. Dems are violent. No one but Dems should ever willingly give up there guns - because Dems are so violent, sane people need them to protect their families, communities and schools. It's far past time for police to be on site at every school to protect the kids from the crazy.
Do you have examples of mass shooters who were registered as Democrats? Most of them are bat shat crazy or evil and have no concrete political affiliation.
I can confirm there was a bomb threat last night at the Meijer store, which is literally just across the street from where the Grand Blanc shooter lived pic.twitter.com/Lwabsrc3gP
— Dave Bondy (@DaveBondyTV) September 28, 2025
RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:Mitch Blood Green said:RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:Aliceinbubbleland said:
No one other than military or police needs assault rifles.
It's time to require real verifiable names to post on social media platforms.
Define assault rifle. Wouldn't that be any long gun (including shotguns) used in an assault?
Whose names do you want posted on social media platforms?
This wasn't the only shooting like this in the last 24 hours. Some guy in a boat approached a dock in NC and shot up the patrons at a restaurant.
For all the details we argue about (race, gender, mental health status, sexual orientation, etc) the thing that remains constant is the gun.
The bullet doesn't care about all the things we do. It just destroys lives. The bullet doesn't care that you're a better dude than me, when it comes at us, you could be ****ed.
We can do something about this. We won't. After Sandy Hook, I lost faith in our will to do what's right for the country.
https://nypost.com/2025/09/28/us-news/southport-mass-shooting-suspect-identified-as-nigel-edge-after-deadly-north-carolina-attack-report/
In my 62 years of life, I have never once had any of my guns jump up and shoot at anybody. Not once.
Timothy McVeigh took 168 lives without pulling a trigger. Fertilizer and jet fuel are still legal.
Guns are not the issue.
Mexico has the toughest guns laws in the entire Western Hemisphere and still has a horrific murder rate.
Not such why liberals consistently ignore this.
"Understanding Mass Shootings in the U.S.
While definitions of mass shootings may vary, targeted attacks where the shooter indiscriminately fires at unsuspecting victims have increased over the past two decades. Despite the 1986 Firearm Owners Protection Act (FOPA), which restricted automatic firearms, mass shootings have become more lethal.
Sixteen of the twenty deadliest mass shootings from 1966 to 2019 occurred after 1999. Between 1982 and 1992, there were fourteen mass shootings as defined by the broader criteria. This number rose to twenty in the following decade (1993 to 2003) and then surged to 115 incidents between 2004 and 2023.
These statistics suggest that the type of firearm, its accessibility, and sweeping gun control legislation have had little impact on the frequency or severity of mass shootings in the United States. As a result, it is crucial to consider other contributing factors to mass shootings beyond just firearm regulations.
When examining graphs of mass shootings over the years alongside the approval of SSRIs, stimulants, and non-stimulants, a noticeable correlation emerges: mass shootings have increased as the prevalence of prescription drugs has risen.
In 2015, researchers published a study examining 959 individuals who committed homicide in Finland between 2003 and 2011. The study found that those taking psychotropic medicationsincluding antidepressants, benzodiazepines, and antipsychoticshad an elevated risk of committing homicide."
Banning pharmaceutical advertising is a much more rational response than trying to ban guns.
While definitions of mass shootings may vary, targeted attacks where the shooter indiscriminately fires at unsuspecting victims have increased over the past two decades. Despite the 1986 Firearm Owners Protection Act (FOPA), which restricted automatic firearms, mass shootings have become more lethal.
Sixteen of the twenty deadliest mass shootings from 1966 to 2019 occurred after 1999. Between 1982 and 1992, there were fourteen mass shootings as defined by the broader criteria. This number rose to twenty in the following decade (1993 to 2003) and then surged to 115 incidents between 2004 and 2023.
These statistics suggest that the type of firearm, its accessibility, and sweeping gun control legislation have had little impact on the frequency or severity of mass shootings in the United States. As a result, it is crucial to consider other contributing factors to mass shootings beyond just firearm regulations.
When examining graphs of mass shootings over the years alongside the approval of SSRIs, stimulants, and non-stimulants, a noticeable correlation emerges: mass shootings have increased as the prevalence of prescription drugs has risen.
In 2015, researchers published a study examining 959 individuals who committed homicide in Finland between 2003 and 2011. The study found that those taking psychotropic medicationsincluding antidepressants, benzodiazepines, and antipsychoticshad an elevated risk of committing homicide."
Banning pharmaceutical advertising is a much more rational response than trying to ban guns.
Mitch Blood Green said:GrowlTowel said:Aliceinbubbleland said:
Baby steps first. Ban assault rifles. There is no way firearms will be banned in this country but assault rifles are nut jobs weapon of choice.
And when that ban doesn't decrease the number of nut jobs with guns, what next?
GT, we can't keep doing nothing and expect different results.
We keep doing nothing "because it won't work" we are smart enough to cut these shootings in half.
Mitch,
But doing something that does not fix the problem is mere window dressing. It might make people feel better but it does not increase their security.
It is easy to say ban all assault rifles, but what is an assault rifle? All rifles can be used for assault, even a vintage Mauser Model 98 .30-06 caliber bolt-action rifle (Charlie Kirk), a 6.5x52mm Carcano Model 38 rifle (JFK), a Remington Model 700 ADL bolt-action hunting rifle (Charles Whitman - UT), or a Remington Model 760 Gamemaster .30-06 caliber rifle (MLK). None of these guns look as scary as an AR-15 style rifle but they can be used effectively for assault.
What do you do with the banned guns already in the public? ICE officers are being shot at for merely enforcing bipartisan immigration laws - imagine what will happen to ATF agents trying to confiscate guns.
How effective are bans in general? If there is a market, someone is going to supply it.
The majority of people killed by guns are through suicide.
The vast, vast majority of people killed through violence are shot with hand guns. Rifles only account for about 4% - how many of those rifles are assault rifles?
I don't think we can rule out old fashioned mental illness and possible long term physical/mental issues from war time service
Not to justify anything but be aware this Marine had a metal plate in his head and remaining bullet fragments from the Iraq war.
— Christopher Aaron (@Farmer_Christo) September 29, 2025
He was a Recon Sniper. He’s been medically treated for mental disease and I don’t think he was supposed to have firearms legally. pic.twitter.com/PqXlezose5
This thread is done, no more talking about the shooter. Just defend 2a. Most of the ultra right zealots will not read past "he was married, had a kid, was a veteran." Likely right wing.
Will it make it into the list of mass shooters talked about ad nauseum? No, and we already see a reason given, because it doesn't fit the pattern. The pattern of only talking about gay and Trans and left wing mass shooters.
And for the record, I want to keep my assault rifles. Nutsos doing nutso things should not require me to give up rights.
Will it make it into the list of mass shooters talked about ad nauseum? No, and we already see a reason given, because it doesn't fit the pattern. The pattern of only talking about gay and Trans and left wing mass shooters.
And for the record, I want to keep my assault rifles. Nutsos doing nutso things should not require me to give up rights.
Forest Bueller III said:
Those that do own "assault rifles" should have them registered to an individual and
that individual required to pass certified safety courses in order to continue owning them.
This should include continuing education.
Hell no
This is a terrible idea
Porteroso said:
This thread is done, no more talking about the shooter. Just defend 2a. Most of the ultra right zealots will not read past "he was married, had a kid, was a veteran." Likely right wing.
Will it make it into the list of mass shooters talked about ad nauseum? No, and we already see a reason given, because it doesn't fit the pattern. The pattern of only talking about gay and Trans and left wing mass shooters.
You can be sure he will appear on a list of "right-wing shooters" put out one day by a gun control group or the SPLC.
So don't worry about that.
Even though we don't know is ideology yet...and may never know what he was thinking.
Just because he is a Vet and from rural Michigan does not make him Right wing (or left wing). Or that this attack had anything to do with anything other than mental illness
And if you are going to use mass shootings as an excuse to advocate for gun control...of course people will push back on that if they believe something differently
Porteroso said:
This thread is done, no more talking about the shooter. Just defend 2a. Most of the ultra right zealots will not read past "he was married, had a kid, was a veteran." Likely right wing.
Will it make it into the list of mass shooters talked about ad nauseum? No, and we already see a reason given, because it doesn't fit the pattern. The pattern of only talking about gay and Trans and left wing mass shooters.
And for the record, I want to keep my assault rifles. Nutsos doing nutso things should not require me to give up rights.
Guy was likely right wing. But I am not sure that necessarily means he was motivated by a right wing ideology, unless you're aware of information I am not.
Sounds like he hated Mormons. I suppose that could be described as right wing, but without more, who knows?
In short, I don't understand what you seem to take issue with.
Mitch Blood Green said:Harrison Bergeron said:Mitch Blood Green said:GrowlTowel said:Aliceinbubbleland said:
Baby steps first. Ban assault rifles. There is no way firearms will be banned in this country but assault rifles are nut jobs weapon of choice.
And when that ban doesn't decrease the number of nut jobs with guns, what next?
GT, we can't keep doing nothing and expect different results.
We keep doing nothing "because it won't work" we are smart enough to cut these shootings in half.
Do states like Illinois and Minnesota with strict gun control have any gun violence?
Actuality, the Supremes cut their ability to tighten up guns laws. Still, it's no longer arguable. States that have stronger gun laws have less gun violence.
I think you're full of ***** Please prove. We also know some of the Dem run cities purposely fudge numbers.
Mitch Blood Green said:RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:Aliceinbubbleland said:
No one other than military or police needs assault rifles.
It's time to require real verifiable names to post on social media platforms.
Define assault rifle. Wouldn't that be any long gun (including shotguns) used in an assault?
Whose names do you want posted on social media platforms?
This wasn't the only shooting like this in the last 24 hours. Some guy in a boat approached a dock in NC and shot up the patrons at a restaurant.
For all the details we argue about (race, gender, mental health status, sexual orientation, etc) the thing that remains constant is the gun.
The bullet doesn't care about all the things we do. It just destroys lives. The bullet doesn't care that you're a better dude than me, when it comes at us, you could be ****ed.
We can do something about this. We won't. After Sandy Hook, I lost faith in our will to do what's right for the country.
https://nypost.com/2025/09/28/us-news/southport-mass-shooting-suspect-identified-as-nigel-edge-after-deadly-north-carolina-attack-report/
Gosh, I was thinking I had seen a video of a guy stabbing a girl to death in the neck on a train in NC. Why any of us are surprised at the looney left suggesting guns kill people when they claim the most significant threat to our country is "climate change". How dumb do you have to be?
DAC said:Forest Bueller III said:
Those that do own "assault rifles" should have them registered to an individual and
that individual required to pass certified safety courses in order to continue owning them.
This should include continuing education.
Hell no
This is a terrible idea
Yea, I would like to agree with you, I'm also not including bolt action long rifles like the Mauser or Shot Guns,
just semi automatic rifles.
We have to be licensed to fish, we have to be licensed to drive, we have to be registered to vote, we have to have certificates or licenses for any number of other serious endevors.
Owning a semi-auto rifle is a serious responsiblility, that I've grown to accept needs to have some type of training or certification involved.
I own several of them so it's not like I don't have experience. I have multiple AR-15's and a couple SKS model rifles. I also own a bolt action Turkish Mauser and other shot guns and hand guns. I love them all.
jbbear said:Mitch Blood Green said:Harrison Bergeron said:Mitch Blood Green said:GrowlTowel said:Aliceinbubbleland said:
Baby steps first. Ban assault rifles. There is no way firearms will be banned in this country but assault rifles are nut jobs weapon of choice.
And when that ban doesn't decrease the number of nut jobs with guns, what next?
GT, we can't keep doing nothing and expect different results.
We keep doing nothing "because it won't work" we are smart enough to cut these shootings in half.
Do states like Illinois and Minnesota with strict gun control have any gun violence?
Actuality, the Supremes cut their ability to tighten up guns laws. Still, it's no longer arguable. States that have stronger gun laws have less gun violence.
I think you're full of ***** Please prove. We also know some of the Dem run cities purposely fudge numbers.
There's nothing I can show you will believe. You're angry. You should address that.
https://www.ebsco.com/research-starters/law/mcdonald-v-city-chicago
https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/gun-violence-by-state
Compare the state with permit requirements with the rate of gun deaths.
https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/gun-violence-by-state
Mitch Blood Green said:jbbear said:Mitch Blood Green said:Harrison Bergeron said:Mitch Blood Green said:GrowlTowel said:Aliceinbubbleland said:
Baby steps first. Ban assault rifles. There is no way firearms will be banned in this country but assault rifles are nut jobs weapon of choice.
And when that ban doesn't decrease the number of nut jobs with guns, what next?
GT, we can't keep doing nothing and expect different results.
We keep doing nothing "because it won't work" we are smart enough to cut these shootings in half.
Do states like Illinois and Minnesota with strict gun control have any gun violence?
Actuality, the Supremes cut their ability to tighten up guns laws. Still, it's no longer arguable. States that have stronger gun laws have less gun violence.
I think you're full of ***** Please prove. We also know some of the Dem run cities purposely fudge numbers.
There's nothing I can show you will believe. You're angry. You should address that.
https://www.ebsco.com/research-starters/law/mcdonald-v-city-chicago
https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/gun-violence-by-state
Compare the state with permit requirements with the rate of gun deaths.
https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/gun-violence-by-state
Homicide Rates by State
DAC said:Forest Bueller III said:
Those that do own "assault rifles" should have them registered to an individual and
that individual required to pass certified safety courses in order to continue owning them.
This should include continuing education.
Hell no
This is a terrible idea
Hadn't thought much about this from an unintended consequences perspective, but I'd be for a household $1000 tax credit for attending safety education courses every 3-5 years. Non gun owners could attend to get the credit as well. Could be an interesting way to educate people on proper gun safety without having a registry.
Thee tinfoil hat couch-potato prognosticator, not a bible school preacher.
Mothra said:Porteroso said:
This thread is done, no more talking about the shooter. Just defend 2a. Most of the ultra right zealots will not read past "he was married, had a kid, was a veteran." Likely right wing.
Will it make it into the list of mass shooters talked about ad nauseum? No, and we already see a reason given, because it doesn't fit the pattern. The pattern of only talking about gay and Trans and left wing mass shooters.
And for the record, I want to keep my assault rifles. Nutsos doing nutso things should not require me to give up rights.
Guy was likely right wing. But I am not sure that necessarily means he was motivated by a right wing ideology, unless you're aware of information I am not.
Sounds like he hated Mormons. I suppose that could be described as right wing, but without more, who knows?
In short, I don't understand what you seem to take issue with.
Him hating Mormons makes him right wing???
Are you dense? Mormons are right wing.
Libs hate any Christian religion, and lefty's view Mormons as Christians - right wing Christians. Now sure most Christians don't see them as being in the fold, but they are not viewed as enemies or even hated.
Other than just being sick in the head, I do wonder what his motivation truly was - that is if we ever find out.
Thee tinfoil hat couch-potato prognosticator, not a bible school preacher.
TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:Mothra said:Porteroso said:
This thread is done, no more talking about the shooter. Just defend 2a. Most of the ultra right zealots will not read past "he was married, had a kid, was a veteran." Likely right wing.
Will it make it into the list of mass shooters talked about ad nauseum? No, and we already see a reason given, because it doesn't fit the pattern. The pattern of only talking about gay and Trans and left wing mass shooters.
And for the record, I want to keep my assault rifles. Nutsos doing nutso things should not require me to give up rights.
Guy was likely right wing. But I am not sure that necessarily means he was motivated by a right wing ideology, unless you're aware of information I am not.
Sounds like he hated Mormons. I suppose that could be described as right wing, but without more, who knows?
In short, I don't understand what you seem to take issue with.
Him hating Mormons makes him right wing???
Are you dense? Mormons are right wing.
Yea I have never heard of far right wing types making threats against Mormons.
I do remember the LGBTQ+ radicals making threats against the Mormons back during the Californian referendum on gay marriage. Mormons threw their numbers and finances into the successful voter referendum to defend marriage.
Right after that they took at lot of heat and a lot of hate from the Left.
Anti-Mormonism is more Left coded in modern America than Right coded
[the Mormon church and its members reported receiving death threats, harassment, and vandalism following their extensive support for California's Proposition 8 in 2008, which defined marriage as being exclusively between a man and a woman. The backlash was intense and led to public controversy]
Mothra said:Porteroso said:
This thread is done, no more talking about the shooter. Just defend 2a. Most of the ultra right zealots will not read past "he was married, had a kid, was a veteran." Likely right wing.
Will it make it into the list of mass shooters talked about ad nauseum? No, and we already see a reason given, because it doesn't fit the pattern. The pattern of only talking about gay and Trans and left wing mass shooters.
And for the record, I want to keep my assault rifles. Nutsos doing nutso things should not require me to give up rights.
Guy was likely right wing. But I am not sure that necessarily means he was motivated by a right wing ideology, unless you're aware of information I am not.
Sounds like he hated Mormons. I suppose that could be described as right wing, but without more, who knows?
In short, I don't understand what you seem to take issue with.
It's the ridiculous rhetoric of this board. We hear from the usual suspects about the mentally ill left wingers shooting up a school. We are told liberalism is a mental illness. That the media fomenting this type of left wing violence. That it's just left wingers doing this. But when it's not a left winger.... crickets.
TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:Mothra said:Porteroso said:
This thread is done, no more talking about the shooter. Just defend 2a. Most of the ultra right zealots will not read past "he was married, had a kid, was a veteran." Likely right wing.
Will it make it into the list of mass shooters talked about ad nauseum? No, and we already see a reason given, because it doesn't fit the pattern. The pattern of only talking about gay and Trans and left wing mass shooters.
And for the record, I want to keep my assault rifles. Nutsos doing nutso things should not require me to give up rights.
Guy was likely right wing. But I am not sure that necessarily means he was motivated by a right wing ideology, unless you're aware of information I am not.
Sounds like he hated Mormons. I suppose that could be described as right wing, but without more, who knows?
In short, I don't understand what you seem to take issue with.
Him hating Mormons makes him right wing???
Are you dense? Mormons are right wing.
Libs hate any Christian religion, and lefty's view Mormons as Christians - right wing Christians. Now sure most Christians don't see them as being in the fold, but they are not viewed as enemies or even hated.
Other than just being sick in the head, I do wonder what his motivation truly was - that is if we ever find out.
He's right wing because he was a Trump supporter. I don't 100% trust daily mail, but not a stretch that this was somehow PTSD related. Also not a stretch that ultra right wing christians may view Mormons as heretics perverting the Word of God. I'm sure most posters on this site believe Mormons are going to hell.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15143303/michigan-church-shooter-thomas-jacob-sanford-trump.html
Redbrickbear said:TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:Mothra said:Porteroso said:
This thread is done, no more talking about the shooter. Just defend 2a. Most of the ultra right zealots will not read past "he was married, had a kid, was a veteran." Likely right wing.
Will it make it into the list of mass shooters talked about ad nauseum? No, and we already see a reason given, because it doesn't fit the pattern. The pattern of only talking about gay and Trans and left wing mass shooters.
And for the record, I want to keep my assault rifles. Nutsos doing nutso things should not require me to give up rights.
Guy was likely right wing. But I am not sure that necessarily means he was motivated by a right wing ideology, unless you're aware of information I am not.
Sounds like he hated Mormons. I suppose that could be described as right wing, but without more, who knows?
In short, I don't understand what you seem to take issue with.
Him hating Mormons makes him right wing???
Are you dense? Mormons are right wing.
Yea I have never heard of far right wing types making threats against Mormons.
I do remember the LGBTQ+ radicals making threats against the Mormons back during the Californian referendum on gay marriage. Mormons threw their numbers and finances into the successful voter referendum to defend marriage.
Right after that they took at lot of heat and a lot of hate from the Left.
Anti-Mormonism is more Left coded in modern America than Right coded
[the Mormon church and its members reported receiving death threats, harassment, and vandalism following their extensive support for California's Proposition 8 in 2008, which defined marriage as being exclusively between a man and a woman. The backlash was intense and led to public controversy]
I mean let's be real BYU was never gonna be taken by the PAC solely because they were religious. The left hates all Christian aligned religions. Yet they love to defend Islam.
Thee tinfoil hat couch-potato prognosticator, not a bible school preacher.
Porteroso said:Mothra said:Porteroso said:
This thread is done, no more talking about the shooter. Just defend 2a. Most of the ultra right zealots will not read past "he was married, had a kid, was a veteran." Likely right wing.
Will it make it into the list of mass shooters talked about ad nauseum? No, and we already see a reason given, because it doesn't fit the pattern. The pattern of only talking about gay and Trans and left wing mass shooters.
And for the record, I want to keep my assault rifles. Nutsos doing nutso things should not require me to give up rights.
Guy was likely right wing. But I am not sure that necessarily means he was motivated by a right wing ideology, unless you're aware of information I am not.
Sounds like he hated Mormons. I suppose that could be described as right wing, but without more, who knows?
In short, I don't understand what you seem to take issue with.
It's the ridiculous rhetoric of this board. We hear from the usual suspects about the mentally ill left wingers shooting up a school. We are told liberalism is a mental illness. That the media fomenting this type of left wing violence. That it's just left wingers doing this. But when it's not a left winger.... crickets.
The crazy "politically motivated" kiyll train skews to the left.
And it's not crickets, it's just this one doesnt seem to be "right or left politically" motivated ... yet. Unlike the recent plague. We'll see.
Thee tinfoil hat couch-potato prognosticator, not a bible school preacher.
Bestweekeverr said:TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:Mothra said:Porteroso said:
This thread is done, no more talking about the shooter. Just defend 2a. Most of the ultra right zealots will not read past "he was married, had a kid, was a veteran." Likely right wing.
Will it make it into the list of mass shooters talked about ad nauseum? No, and we already see a reason given, because it doesn't fit the pattern. The pattern of only talking about gay and Trans and left wing mass shooters.
And for the record, I want to keep my assault rifles. Nutsos doing nutso things should not require me to give up rights.
Guy was likely right wing. But I am not sure that necessarily means he was motivated by a right wing ideology, unless you're aware of information I am not.
Sounds like he hated Mormons. I suppose that could be described as right wing, but without more, who knows?
In short, I don't understand what you seem to take issue with.
Him hating Mormons makes him right wing???
Are you dense? Mormons are right wing.
Libs hate any Christian religion, and lefty's view Mormons as Christians - right wing Christians. Now sure most Christians don't see them as being in the fold, but they are not viewed as enemies or even hated.
Other than just being sick in the head, I do wonder what his motivation truly was - that is if we ever find out.
He's right wing because he was a Trump supporter. I don't 100% trust daily mail, but not a stretch that this was somehow PTSD related. Also not a stretch that ultra right wing christians may view Mormons as heretics perverting the Word of God. I'm sure most posters on this site believe Mormons are going to hell.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15143303/michigan-church-shooter-thomas-jacob-sanford-trump.html
Every Trump voter is not right wing and every Biden voter is not left wing. 77+ million people voted for him. Including growing percentages of black men and Latinos (historically democratic voters)
We only get two choices for President in this county.
Now he might have held anti-Mormon views…but it would be a low chance he picked those up from standard rightwing American discourse. After all most Mormons are conservatives-to right wing.
He might have a personal problem with the Mormons. Or even more likely he is a total nut who attacked a place of worship and had no political motive at all and no particular dislike of Mormons (it was just the first church he spotted)
I am sure the authorities will find out
Redbrickbear said:Bestweekeverr said:TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:Mothra said:Porteroso said:
This thread is done, no more talking about the shooter. Just defend 2a. Most of the ultra right zealots will not read past "he was married, had a kid, was a veteran." Likely right wing.
Will it make it into the list of mass shooters talked about ad nauseum? No, and we already see a reason given, because it doesn't fit the pattern. The pattern of only talking about gay and Trans and left wing mass shooters.
And for the record, I want to keep my assault rifles. Nutsos doing nutso things should not require me to give up rights.
Guy was likely right wing. But I am not sure that necessarily means he was motivated by a right wing ideology, unless you're aware of information I am not.
Sounds like he hated Mormons. I suppose that could be described as right wing, but without more, who knows?
In short, I don't understand what you seem to take issue with.
Him hating Mormons makes him right wing???
Are you dense? Mormons are right wing.
Libs hate any Christian religion, and lefty's view Mormons as Christians - right wing Christians. Now sure most Christians don't see them as being in the fold, but they are not viewed as enemies or even hated.
Other than just being sick in the head, I do wonder what his motivation truly was - that is if we ever find out.
He's right wing because he was a Trump supporter. I don't 100% trust daily mail, but not a stretch that this was somehow PTSD related. Also not a stretch that ultra right wing christians may view Mormons as heretics perverting the Word of God. I'm sure most posters on this site believe Mormons are going to hell.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15143303/michigan-church-shooter-thomas-jacob-sanford-trump.html
Every Trump voter is not right wing and every Biden voter is not left wing. 77+ million people voted for him. Including growing percentages of black men and Latinos (historically democratic voters)
We only get two choices for President in this county.
Now he might have held anti-Mormon views…but it would be a low chance he picked those up from standard rightwing American discourse. After all most Mormons are conservatives-to right wing.
He might have a personal problem with the Mormons. Or even more likely he is a total nut who attacked a place of worship and had no political motive at all and no particular dislike of Mormons (it was just the first church he spotted)
I am sure the authorities will find out
He's wearing a shirt that says "Make Liberals Cry Again" lol. He also had a trump sign in his front yard, so it doesn't sound like he was a begrudging centrist Trump voter.
Bestweekeverr said:Redbrickbear said:Bestweekeverr said:TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:Mothra said:Porteroso said:
This thread is done, no more talking about the shooter. Just defend 2a. Most of the ultra right zealots will not read past "he was married, had a kid, was a veteran." Likely right wing.
Will it make it into the list of mass shooters talked about ad nauseum? No, and we already see a reason given, because it doesn't fit the pattern. The pattern of only talking about gay and Trans and left wing mass shooters.
And for the record, I want to keep my assault rifles. Nutsos doing nutso things should not require me to give up rights.
Guy was likely right wing. But I am not sure that necessarily means he was motivated by a right wing ideology, unless you're aware of information I am not.
Sounds like he hated Mormons. I suppose that could be described as right wing, but without more, who knows?
In short, I don't understand what you seem to take issue with.
Him hating Mormons makes him right wing???
Are you dense? Mormons are right wing.
Libs hate any Christian religion, and lefty's view Mormons as Christians - right wing Christians. Now sure most Christians don't see them as being in the fold, but they are not viewed as enemies or even hated.
Other than just being sick in the head, I do wonder what his motivation truly was - that is if we ever find out.
He's right wing because he was a Trump supporter. I don't 100% trust daily mail, but not a stretch that this was somehow PTSD related. Also not a stretch that ultra right wing christians may view Mormons as heretics perverting the Word of God. I'm sure most posters on this site believe Mormons are going to hell.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15143303/michigan-church-shooter-thomas-jacob-sanford-trump.html
Every Trump voter is not right wing and every Biden voter is not left wing. 77+ million people voted for him. Including growing percentages of black men and Latinos (historically democratic voters)
We only get two choices for President in this county.
Now he might have held anti-Mormon views…but it would be a low chance he picked those up from standard rightwing American discourse. After all most Mormons are conservatives-to right wing.
He might have a personal problem with the Mormons. Or even more likely he is a total nut who attacked a place of worship and had no political motive at all and no particular dislike of Mormons (it was just the first church he spotted)
I am sure the authorities will find out
He's wearing a shirt that says "Make Liberals Cry Again" lol. He also had a trump sign in his front yard, so it doesn't sound like he was a begrudging centrist Trump voter.
Fair enough
Any evidence so far his love of the orange man has anything to do with his murderous attack on Mormons near his home?
Redbrickbear said:Bestweekeverr said:Redbrickbear said:Bestweekeverr said:TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:Mothra said:Porteroso said:
This thread is done, no more talking about the shooter. Just defend 2a. Most of the ultra right zealots will not read past "he was married, had a kid, was a veteran." Likely right wing.
Will it make it into the list of mass shooters talked about ad nauseum? No, and we already see a reason given, because it doesn't fit the pattern. The pattern of only talking about gay and Trans and left wing mass shooters.
And for the record, I want to keep my assault rifles. Nutsos doing nutso things should not require me to give up rights.
Guy was likely right wing. But I am not sure that necessarily means he was motivated by a right wing ideology, unless you're aware of information I am not.
Sounds like he hated Mormons. I suppose that could be described as right wing, but without more, who knows?
In short, I don't understand what you seem to take issue with.
Him hating Mormons makes him right wing???
Are you dense? Mormons are right wing.
Libs hate any Christian religion, and lefty's view Mormons as Christians - right wing Christians. Now sure most Christians don't see them as being in the fold, but they are not viewed as enemies or even hated.
Other than just being sick in the head, I do wonder what his motivation truly was - that is if we ever find out.
He's right wing because he was a Trump supporter. I don't 100% trust daily mail, but not a stretch that this was somehow PTSD related. Also not a stretch that ultra right wing christians may view Mormons as heretics perverting the Word of God. I'm sure most posters on this site believe Mormons are going to hell.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15143303/michigan-church-shooter-thomas-jacob-sanford-trump.html
Every Trump voter is not right wing and every Biden voter is not left wing. 77+ million people voted for him. Including growing percentages of black men and Latinos (historically democratic voters)
We only get two choices for President in this county.
Now he might have held anti-Mormon views…but it would be a low chance he picked those up from standard rightwing American discourse. After all most Mormons are conservatives-to right wing.
He might have a personal problem with the Mormons. Or even more likely he is a total nut who attacked a place of worship and had no political motive at all and no particular dislike of Mormons (it was just the first church he spotted)
I am sure the authorities will find out
He's wearing a shirt that says "Make Liberals Cry Again" lol. He also had a trump sign in his front yard, so it doesn't sound like he was a begrudging centrist Trump voter.
Fair enough
Any evidence so far his love of the orange man has anything to do with his murderous attack on Mormons near his home?
Absolutely none lol I think the most likely cause of his attack is some sort of PTSD episode from his time in Iraq.
But I'd rather put money on this being more akin to a right wing synagogue shooting than a trans left wing church shooting if I had to choose one.
Redbrickbear said:Bestweekeverr said:Redbrickbear said:Bestweekeverr said:TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:Mothra said:Porteroso said:
This thread is done, no more talking about the shooter. Just defend 2a. Most of the ultra right zealots will not read past "he was married, had a kid, was a veteran." Likely right wing.
Will it make it into the list of mass shooters talked about ad nauseum? No, and we already see a reason given, because it doesn't fit the pattern. The pattern of only talking about gay and Trans and left wing mass shooters.
And for the record, I want to keep my assault rifles. Nutsos doing nutso things should not require me to give up rights.
Guy was likely right wing. But I am not sure that necessarily means he was motivated by a right wing ideology, unless you're aware of information I am not.
Sounds like he hated Mormons. I suppose that could be described as right wing, but without more, who knows?
In short, I don't understand what you seem to take issue with.
Him hating Mormons makes him right wing???
Are you dense? Mormons are right wing.
Libs hate any Christian religion, and lefty's view Mormons as Christians - right wing Christians. Now sure most Christians don't see them as being in the fold, but they are not viewed as enemies or even hated.
Other than just being sick in the head, I do wonder what his motivation truly was - that is if we ever find out.
He's right wing because he was a Trump supporter. I don't 100% trust daily mail, but not a stretch that this was somehow PTSD related. Also not a stretch that ultra right wing christians may view Mormons as heretics perverting the Word of God. I'm sure most posters on this site believe Mormons are going to hell.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15143303/michigan-church-shooter-thomas-jacob-sanford-trump.html
Every Trump voter is not right wing and every Biden voter is not left wing. 77+ million people voted for him. Including growing percentages of black men and Latinos (historically democratic voters)
We only get two choices for President in this county.
Now he might have held anti-Mormon views…but it would be a low chance he picked those up from standard rightwing American discourse. After all most Mormons are conservatives-to right wing.
He might have a personal problem with the Mormons. Or even more likely he is a total nut who attacked a place of worship and had no political motive at all and no particular dislike of Mormons (it was just the first church he spotted)
I am sure the authorities will find out
He's wearing a shirt that says "Make Liberals Cry Again" lol. He also had a trump sign in his front yard, so it doesn't sound like he was a begrudging centrist Trump voter.
Fair enough
Any evidence so far his love of the orange man has anything to do with his murderous attack on Mormons near his home?
The image with make liberals cry was photoshopped. They have the original picture circulating online now as well.
Thee tinfoil hat couch-potato prognosticator, not a bible school preacher.
Bestweekeverr said:
He's wearing a shirt that says "Make Liberals Cry Again" lol. He also had a trump sign in his front yard, so it doesn't sound like he was a begrudging centrist Trump voter.
False. Typical lib photoshop job. Original is online ... unless it's the photoshop.
Thee tinfoil hat couch-potato prognosticator, not a bible school preacher.
TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:Bestweekeverr said:
He's wearing a shirt that says "Make Liberals Cry Again" lol. He also had a trump sign in his front yard, so it doesn't sound like he was a begrudging centrist Trump voter.
False. Typical lib photoshop job. Original is online ... unless it's the photoshop.
Oops
https://www.facebook.com/Brantleesjourney/posts/pfbid02TP1xg2w69Jr9o3BbNCY6EpEa4QjkpjfRwxC5tEdNnDad54iy1TxiBbLNkSAE2S5dl
BylrFan said:TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:Bestweekeverr said:
He's wearing a shirt that says "Make Liberals Cry Again" lol. He also had a trump sign in his front yard, so it doesn't sound like he was a begrudging centrist Trump voter.
False. Typical lib photoshop job. Original is online ... unless it's the photoshop.
Oops
https://www.facebook.com/Brantleesjourney/posts/pfbid02TP1xg2w69Jr9o3BbNCY6EpEa4QjkpjfRwxC5tEdNnDad54iy1TxiBbLNkSAE2S5dl
I'm so confused. I don't know what is real. The original is photoshopped ... is not photoshopped ... is ... is not. It looks off partly because it's rare you'd see a print on a camo shirt that clean, and it looks photoshopped in its placement. But your post above looks pretty convincing. And he does look like someone who would enjoy liberal tears as well.
This guy may fall in the red category, but I don't think it's politically motivated. Hard to make sense how it could be. I'm sure we'll learn more soon enough.
Thee tinfoil hat couch-potato prognosticator, not a bible school preacher.
Redbrickbear said:Bestweekeverr said:Redbrickbear said:Bestweekeverr said:TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:Mothra said:Porteroso said:
This thread is done, no more talking about the shooter. Just defend 2a. Most of the ultra right zealots will not read past "he was married, had a kid, was a veteran." Likely right wing.
Will it make it into the list of mass shooters talked about ad nauseum? No, and we already see a reason given, because it doesn't fit the pattern. The pattern of only talking about gay and Trans and left wing mass shooters.
And for the record, I want to keep my assault rifles. Nutsos doing nutso things should not require me to give up rights.
Guy was likely right wing. But I am not sure that necessarily means he was motivated by a right wing ideology, unless you're aware of information I am not.
Sounds like he hated Mormons. I suppose that could be described as right wing, but without more, who knows?
In short, I don't understand what you seem to take issue with.
Him hating Mormons makes him right wing???
Are you dense? Mormons are right wing.
Libs hate any Christian religion, and lefty's view Mormons as Christians - right wing Christians. Now sure most Christians don't see them as being in the fold, but they are not viewed as enemies or even hated.
Other than just being sick in the head, I do wonder what his motivation truly was - that is if we ever find out.
He's right wing because he was a Trump supporter. I don't 100% trust daily mail, but not a stretch that this was somehow PTSD related. Also not a stretch that ultra right wing christians may view Mormons as heretics perverting the Word of God. I'm sure most posters on this site believe Mormons are going to hell.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15143303/michigan-church-shooter-thomas-jacob-sanford-trump.html
Every Trump voter is not right wing and every Biden voter is not left wing. 77+ million people voted for him. Including growing percentages of black men and Latinos (historically democratic voters)
We only get two choices for President in this county.
Now he might have held anti-Mormon views…but it would be a low chance he picked those up from standard rightwing American discourse. After all most Mormons are conservatives-to right wing.
He might have a personal problem with the Mormons. Or even more likely he is a total nut who attacked a place of worship and had no political motive at all and no particular dislike of Mormons (it was just the first church he spotted)
I am sure the authorities will find out
He's wearing a shirt that says "Make Liberals Cry Again" lol. He also had a trump sign in his front yard, so it doesn't sound like he was a begrudging centrist Trump voter.
Fair enough
Any evidence so far his love of the orange man has anything to do with his murderous attack on Mormons near his home?
Who knows. It's not a nuance that's given to guys who have a trans roommate.