Tucker's attempt to normalize Nick Fuentes

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Ah, so you're cool with an Al Qaeda like takeover of the ME? You think that will be good for US interests?

Interesting.


Mothra, do you really think any of that matters right now? Voters have spoken, they don't care what happens in the ME as long as the US is not involved.

However, now that the elections are over, I would say Trump needs to do whatever is possible to bring gas prices down and get oil flowing through the strait at pre-war levels. He has a little over a year to do this.


If good policy depends on what is popular then we are in trouble. I would submit that our electorate doesn't have a good sense of what good policy is even if it's popular. So that's kind of superfluous and irrelevant to my point.

The real question should be is it in America's best interest to leave the Middle East to take over by radicals? Is it good policy to no longer push back against nuclear proliferation there. That's what we should be asking. Whether it's popular is irrelevant.


I would submit endless wars and insurmountable debt destroying the country thereby turning it over to the communists is bad policy.
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Mothra said:

BigGameBaylorBear said:

Mothra said:

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Ah, so you're cool with an Al Qaeda like takeover of the ME? You think that will be good for US interests?

Interesting.


Mothra, do you really think any of that matters right now? Voters have spoken, they don't care what happens in the ME as long as the US is not involved.

However, now that the elections are over, I would say Trump needs to do whatever is possible to bring gas prices down and get oil flowing through the strait at pre-war levels. He has a little over a year to do this.


If good policy depends on what is popular then we are in trouble. I would submit that our electorate doesn't have a good sense of what good policy is even if it's popular. So that's kind of superfluous and irrelevant to my point.

The real question should be is it in America's best interest to leave the Middle East to take over by radicals? Is it good policy to no longer push back against nuclear proliferation there. That's what we should be asking. Whether it's popular is irrelevant.


"What's popular" is clearly not irrelevant, democrats used this war to win big last night, your home state of Texas is now blue down the line.

Here's a thought- if pursuing what's "good" for America in the ME causes voters to vote overwhelmingly for socialists domestically, then maybe it's not good after all.

ME wars are costly and have become extremely unpopular on both sides of the aisle; you may disagree with how the electorate behaves, but you can't change it. Time to get with the program, we need to ditch the ME, it's a lost cause.
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The_barBEARian said:

Mothra said:

BigGameBaylorBear said:

Mothra said:

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Ah, so you're cool with an Al Qaeda like takeover of the ME? You think that will be good for US interests?

Interesting.


Mothra, do you really think any of that matters right now? Voters have spoken, they don't care what happens in the ME as long as the US is not involved.

However, now that the elections are over, I would say Trump needs to do whatever is possible to bring gas prices down and get oil flowing through the strait at pre-war levels. He has a little over a year to do this.


If good policy depends on what is popular then we are in trouble. I would submit that our electorate doesn't have a good sense of what good policy is even if it's popular. So that's kind of superfluous and irrelevant to my point.

The real question should be is it in America's best interest to leave the Middle East to take over by radicals? Is it good policy to no longer push back against nuclear proliferation there. That's what we should be asking. Whether it's popular is irrelevant.


I would submit endless wars and insurmountable debt destroying the country thereby turning it over to the communists is bad policy.


I would submit that's what you would call a false binary. If the choice were between completely abandoning the Middle East and fighting endless war there the former certainly sounds like the better option. But of course we have many options.
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The_barBEARian said:

Mothra said:

BigGameBaylorBear said:

Mothra said:

The_barBEARian said:



Ah, so you're cool with an Al Qaeda like takeover of the ME? You think that will be good for US interests?

Interesting.


Mothra, do you really think any of that matters right now? Voters have spoken, they don't care what happens in the ME as long as the US is not involved.

However, now that the elections are over, I would say Trump needs to do whatever is possible to bring gas prices down and get oil flowing through the strait at pre-war levels. He has a little over a year to do this.


If good policy depends on what is popular then we are in trouble. I would submit that our electorate doesn't have a good sense of what good policy is even if it's popular. So that's kind of superfluous and irrelevant to my point.

The real question should be is it in America's best interest to leave the Middle East to take over by radicals? Is it good policy to no longer push back against nuclear proliferation there. That's what we should be asking. Whether it's popular is irrelevant.


I would submit endless wars and insurmountable debt destroying the country thereby turning it over to the communists is bad policy.


Also, what was Tucker right about that I was wrong about? I already asked this question once it seems you're having difficulty answering.
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Mothra said:

The_barBEARian said:

Mothra said:

BigGameBaylorBear said:

Mothra said:

The_barBEARian said:



Ah, so you're cool with an Al Qaeda like takeover of the ME? You think that will be good for US interests?

Interesting.


Mothra, do you really think any of that matters right now? Voters have spoken, they don't care what happens in the ME as long as the US is not involved.

However, now that the elections are over, I would say Trump needs to do whatever is possible to bring gas prices down and get oil flowing through the strait at pre-war levels. He has a little over a year to do this.


If good policy depends on what is popular then we are in trouble. I would submit that our electorate doesn't have a good sense of what good policy is even if it's popular. So that's kind of superfluous and irrelevant to my point.

The real question should be is it in America's best interest to leave the Middle East to take over by radicals? Is it good policy to no longer push back against nuclear proliferation there. That's what we should be asking. Whether it's popular is irrelevant.


I would submit endless wars and insurmountable debt destroying the country thereby turning it over to the communists is bad policy.


Also, what was Tucker right about that I was wrong about? I already asked this question once it seems you're having difficulty answering.


Did you or did you not call Tucker a "Panican" for correctly noting that the Iran War would have devastating consequences?

I dont want to dig through all your old posts so I will rely on your ego not being so large you are unable to admit you made a mistake and the "Panicans" were right all along.
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Mothra said:

The_barBEARian said:

Mothra said:

BigGameBaylorBear said:

Mothra said:

The_barBEARian said:



Ah, so you're cool with an Al Qaeda like takeover of the ME? You think that will be good for US interests?

Interesting.


Mothra, do you really think any of that matters right now? Voters have spoken, they don't care what happens in the ME as long as the US is not involved.

However, now that the elections are over, I would say Trump needs to do whatever is possible to bring gas prices down and get oil flowing through the strait at pre-war levels. He has a little over a year to do this.


If good policy depends on what is popular then we are in trouble. I would submit that our electorate doesn't have a good sense of what good policy is even if it's popular. So that's kind of superfluous and irrelevant to my point.

The real question should be is it in America's best interest to leave the Middle East to take over by radicals? Is it good policy to no longer push back against nuclear proliferation there. That's what we should be asking. Whether it's popular is irrelevant.


I would submit endless wars and insurmountable debt destroying the country thereby turning it over to the communists is bad policy.


I would submit that's what you would call a false binary. If the choice were between completely abandoning the Middle East and fighting endless war there the former certainly sounds like the better option. But of course we have many options.


If the objective is regime change in Iran, we actually have very few options and all of them are unimaginably bad.
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The_barBEARian said:

Mothra said:

The_barBEARian said:

Mothra said:

BigGameBaylorBear said:

Mothra said:

The_barBEARian said:



Ah, so you're cool with an Al Qaeda like takeover of the ME? You think that will be good for US interests?

Interesting.


Mothra, do you really think any of that matters right now? Voters have spoken, they don't care what happens in the ME as long as the US is not involved.

However, now that the elections are over, I would say Trump needs to do whatever is possible to bring gas prices down and get oil flowing through the strait at pre-war levels. He has a little over a year to do this.


If good policy depends on what is popular then we are in trouble. I would submit that our electorate doesn't have a good sense of what good policy is even if it's popular. So that's kind of superfluous and irrelevant to my point.

The real question should be is it in America's best interest to leave the Middle East to take over by radicals? Is it good policy to no longer push back against nuclear proliferation there. That's what we should be asking. Whether it's popular is irrelevant.


I would submit endless wars and insurmountable debt destroying the country thereby turning it over to the communists is bad policy.


Also, what was Tucker right about that I was wrong about? I already asked this question once it seems you're having difficulty answering.


Did you or did you not call Tucker a "Panican" for correctly noting that the Iran War would have devastating consequences?

I dont want to dig through all your old posts so I will rely on your ego not being so large you are unable to admit you made a mistake and the "Panicans" were right all along.


Nope, never said anything of the sort. You're confused as usual.

The thing I made fun of about the pudgy doughboy was his statement that the Iran war would lead to a global nuclear conflict and the end of civilization as we know it. That's what the bowtie dumbass actually said. What a complete and total moron.
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Mothra said:

The_barBEARian said:

Mothra said:

The_barBEARian said:

Mothra said:

BigGameBaylorBear said:

Mothra said:

The_barBEARian said:



Ah, so you're cool with an Al Qaeda like takeover of the ME? You think that will be good for US interests?

Interesting.


Mothra, do you really think any of that matters right now? Voters have spoken, they don't care what happens in the ME as long as the US is not involved.

However, now that the elections are over, I would say Trump needs to do whatever is possible to bring gas prices down and get oil flowing through the strait at pre-war levels. He has a little over a year to do this.


If good policy depends on what is popular then we are in trouble. I would submit that our electorate doesn't have a good sense of what good policy is even if it's popular. So that's kind of superfluous and irrelevant to my point.

The real question should be is it in America's best interest to leave the Middle East to take over by radicals? Is it good policy to no longer push back against nuclear proliferation there. That's what we should be asking. Whether it's popular is irrelevant.


I would submit endless wars and insurmountable debt destroying the country thereby turning it over to the communists is bad policy.


Also, what was Tucker right about that I was wrong about? I already asked this question once it seems you're having difficulty answering.


Did you or did you not call Tucker a "Panican" for correctly noting that the Iran War would have devastating consequences?

I dont want to dig through all your old posts so I will rely on your ego not being so large you are unable to admit you made a mistake and the "Panicans" were right all along.


Nope, never said anything of the sort. You're confused as usual.

The thing I made fun of about the pudgy doughboy was his statement that the Iran war would lead to a global nuclear conflict and the end of civilization as we know it. That's what the bowtie dumbass actually said. What a complete and total moron.


He said it could have lead to that. Which is obvious and plausible.

If Trump drops a nuke on Iran, Russia has said the gloves are off in Ukraine and it only escalates from there.
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I appreciate your attempt to downplay the drama queen's comments. But his comment, almost verbatim, was that an attack on Iran with lead to the end of civilization.

He insufferable drama queen, much like yourself. The idea that can attack on Iran would lead to a nuclear war is absolute dumbassery
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Mothra said:

I appreciate your attempt to downplay the drama queen's comments. But his comment, almost verbatim, was that an attack on Iran with lead to the end of civilization.

He insufferable drama queen, much like yourself. The idea that can attack on Iran would lead to a nuclear war is absolute dumbassery


An attack on Iran lead to the Democrats taking over both chambers of Congress so regardless of intent he was correct to oppose it and you were wrong to support it.
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Lol. I've seen some spin in my time, but that one takes the cake.

So what Tucker was really saying, when he said that the Iran war would lead to a nuclear war that ended civilization was that the Democrats would win the midterms.

LMAO. I think even you realize that's utter bull*****

People have been predicting a midterm slaughter since the unpopular tariffs were rolled out early in the administration.
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Mothra said:

Lol. I've seen some spin in my time, but that one takes the cake.

So what Tucker was really saying, when he said that the Iran war would lead to a nuclear war that ended civilization was that the Democrats would win the midterms.

LMAO. I think even you realize that's utter bull*****

People have been predicting a midterm slaughter since the unpopular tariffs were rolled out early in the administration.


Tariffs + mass deportations + releasing all the undredacted Epstein perp info + not attacking Iran results in a GOP win last night.

Tariffs are not nearly as unpopular outside of wall street as you make them out to be, particularly if they are correctly paired with the elimination of the income tax and IRS as they need to be to be successful. It's the rest of it that was the problem.
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Mothra said:

Lol. I've seen some spin in my time, but that one takes the cake.

So what Tucker was really saying, when he said that the Iran war would lead to a nuclear war that ended civilization was that the Democrats would win the midterms.

LMAO. I think even you realize that's utter bull*****

People have been predicting a midterm slaughter since the unpopular tariffs were rolled out early in the administration.


Tariffs + mass deportations + releasing all the undredacted Epstein perp info + not attacking Iran results in a GOP win last night.

Tariffs are not nearly as unpopular outside of wall street as you make them out to be, particularly if they are correctly paired with the elimination of the income tax and IRS as they need to be to be successful. It's the rest of it that was the problem.

That's not what the polls show. Tariffs are unpopular the way these were rolled out and because of the effect they had on prices, which American consumers paid by and large. These were not mere reciprocal tariffs.

I agree with you on the rest. His handling of the Epstein files, the mass deportations (which I liked) and the Iran attack all contributed. And then of course engaging in petty and stupid behavior like the Kennedy Center b.s., renaming gulfs, and building ballrooms and such. It contributed to last night's debacle.
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"A strong plurality of 49% answered that they supported tariffs either "strongly" (20%) or "somewhat" (29%), while 34% responded that they opposed the move "somewhat" (16%) or "strongly" (18%). Uncertainty was fairly high, with 17% saying "not sure."

It might not be too surprising that, as is often the norm, political affiliation helps define the responses.
Only 34% of Democrats, for instance, support tariffs, while a majority of 51% oppose them. Republicans, on the other hand, support tariffs by a significantly large 73% margin, versus opposition of only 15%. Independents are neatly split, at 41% support and 39% oppose.

As mentioned, that wasn't the only question on tariffs. The second was: "To what extent do you agree or disagree with the following statement: Imposing tariffs will incentivize foreign companies to manufacture within the United States."

And again, 48% agreed either "strongly" (18%) or "somewhat" (30%), while 30% disagreed either strongly (13%) or somewhat (17%)."

https://www.johnlocke.org/americans-show-support-for-trump-tariffs/
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Hey Viviek, go hop on the non stop train back to India. You;re done.
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Realitybites said:

"A strong plurality of 49% answered that they supported tariffs either "strongly" (20%) or "somewhat" (29%), while 34% responded that they opposed the move "somewhat" (16%) or "strongly" (18%). Uncertainty was fairly high, with 17% saying "not sure."

It might not be too surprising that, as is often the norm, political affiliation helps define the responses.
Only 34% of Democrats, for instance, support tariffs, while a majority of 51% oppose them. Republicans, on the other hand, support tariffs by a significantly large 73% margin, versus opposition of only 15%. Independents are neatly split, at 41% support and 39% oppose.

As mentioned, that wasn't the only question on tariffs. The second was: "To what extent do you agree or disagree with the following statement: Imposing tariffs will incentivize foreign companies to manufacture within the United States."

And again, 48% agreed either "strongly" (18%) or "somewhat" (30%), while 30% disagreed either strongly (13%) or somewhat (17%)."

https://www.johnlocke.org/americans-show-support-for-trump-tariffs/

That poll was taken in February 2025, shortly after the Trump administration announced or began implementing its tariff policies, and long before consumer prices went up. Later polls showed a much more negative reaction.

  • Reuters/Ipsos (April 2025): Only 39% supported a 10% baseline tariff on trading partners, while 57% opposed it. Opposition to tariffs on Canada and imported automobiles reached 61%, with support at 35%.
  • Economist/YouGov (April 2025): 56% said Trump had gone too far on tariffs. 34% wanted tariffs decreased, compared to only 20% who wanted them increased. Approval of the new tariff announcements was 36% approve / 52% disapprove.
  • RealClear Polling/RCOR (April 2025): 59% disapproved of the administration's handling of tariffs, compared to 41% approval. Independents were especially negative, with 64% disapproving.
  • Gallup (April 2025): 70% believed the tariffs would cost the U.S. more than they produced in the short term, and 62% believed the same in the long run. 89% expected higher consumer prices.
  • YouGov (October 2025): Only 14% wanted tariffs increased, while 49% wanted tariffs decreased and 23% wanted them kept the same.
  • Economist/YouGov (November 2025): Only 13% wanted tariffs increased, while 47% wanted them decreased. 73% said tariffs had increased the prices they paid
  • Like I said, tariffs ended up being largely unpopular, and contributed to last night, and the rising consumer prices.
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    Hey Viviek, go hop on the non stop train back to India. You;re done.

    It's an interesting world we live in where so-called conservatives are happier about a conservative losing to a leftist nutjob, merely because that conservative supports Israel.

    Just goes to show we have a lot of people claiming to be conservative who aren't.

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    Mothra said:

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    Hey Viviek, go hop on the non stop train back to India. You;re done.

    It's an interesting world we live in where so-called conservatives are happier about a conservative losing to a leftist nutjob, merely because that conservative supports Israel.

    Just goes to show we have a lot of people claiming to be conservative who aren't.


    Or that a lot of people claiming to be conservatives have no idea what that means.

    The primary responsibility of conservatives is the conservation of a nation's borders, language, and culture.

    Fail in that, and it doesn't matter if you're pushing Austrian economics or not.

    And bankrupting your own nation fighting the wars of an "ally" that is bribing your politicians to do it most certainly isn't.
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    RCP is probably the only legit one in there. 59% opposed the administration's "handling" of the tariffs.

    As do I. That doesn't mean that you oppose tariffs as trade policy.

    The Economist is as reflexively anti-tariff as the National Review is anti-paleoconservative and anti-nationalist. You'll never get them to release any data admitting that tariffs have any support, even if they have to make it up.

    I'd want to see the political affiliation breakdown on the Reuters and Gallup data before giving it much creedence.
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    Realitybites said:

    RCP is probably the only legit one in there. 59% opposed the administration's "handling" of the tariffs.

    As do I. That doesn't mean that you oppose tariffs as trade policy.


    The Economist is as reflexively anti-tariff as the National Review is anti-paleoconservative and anti-nationalist. You'll never get them to release any data admitting that tariffs have any support, even if they have to make it up.

    I'd want to see the political affiliation breakdown on the Reuters and Gallup data before giving it much creedence.

    This is where I am at.

    I fully support reciprocal tariffs and think America should use every tool at their disposal to advance its interests and benefit its people... but the way the Trump admin (Howard Lutnick) exercised their tariff policy was reckless, dumb, and counter-productive.
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    DeSantis stock is rising... the smartest thing he could possibly do right now is ask Tucker to have him on his show.

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    Mossadra's ideal version of Texas:


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    Millennials gave America its first wigger congressman.

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    Realitybites said:

    Mothra said:

    muddybrazos said:



    Hey Viviek, go hop on the non stop train back to India. You;re done.

    It's an interesting world we live in where so-called conservatives are happier about a conservative losing to a leftist nutjob, merely because that conservative supports Israel.

    Just goes to show we have a lot of people claiming to be conservative who aren't.


    Or that a lot of people claiming to be conservatives have no idea what that means.

    The primary responsibility of conservatives is the conservation of a nation's borders, language, and culture.

    Fail in that, and it doesn't matter if you're pushing Austrian economics or not.

    And bankrupting your own nation fighting the wars of an "ally" that is bribing your politicians to do it most certainly isn't.

    We don't disagree on the inventionism.

    However, when the choice is between leftist wokesters, trannie-rights activists and Muslims, or people who share some of your alleged conservative values, you always vote for the latter candidate, or suffer the consequences you so aptly pointed out in another thread - Congress lost for years, liberal judges, and a Supreme Court that swings to the left.

    Hope it was worth it to send whatever message you think you sent.
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    The_barBEARian said:

    Mossadra's ideal version of Texas:




    The irony is, you voted for this version of Texas. and I voted against it.

    Such a wokester.
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    The_barBEARian said:

    DeSantis stock is rising... the smartest thing he could possibly do right now is ask Tucker to have him on his show.



    LOL. If he wants to give up his presidential aspirations, we agree.
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    Realitybites said:

    RCP is probably the only legit one in there. 59% opposed the administration's "handling" of the tariffs.

    As do I. That doesn't mean that you oppose tariffs as trade policy.

    The Economist is as reflexively anti-tariff as the National Review is anti-paleoconservative and anti-nationalist. You'll never get them to release any data admitting that tariffs have any support, even if they have to make it up.

    I'd want to see the political affiliation breakdown on the Reuters and Gallup data before giving it much creedence.

    Pretty much every poll after the initial tariffs were announced says they were unpopular, which is why you can't find another poll that supports your position after Feb. 2025. But feel free to find a later poll, after the effects of tariffs started to be felt.

    I didn't say all tariffs are bad. I am perfectly fine with reciprocal tariffs. Instead, I disputed your position that tariffs were popular. They weren't, clearly, given it was the American consumer who took it in the shorts.
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    Mothra said:

    muddybrazos said:



    Hey Viviek, go hop on the non stop train back to India. You;re done.

    It's an interesting world we live in where so-called conservatives are happier about a conservative losing to a leftist nutjob, merely because that conservative supports Israel.

    Just goes to show we have a lot of people claiming to be conservative who aren't.



    Actually this isnt about Israel. Its about destroying the political career of an Indian scammer that rigged an FDA adcom phase 1 trial to to a pump and dump on a failed drug. Now he wants to be president and bring infinity of his country men here. He had to lose and the GOP shouldve known better than to keep giving us these lousy candidates. Literally any normal Ohio guy couldve won this just like in SC literally any man or even woman other than Darline Graham couldve won that senate seat. The GOP deserves what it got.
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    Mothra said:

    The_barBEARian said:

    Mossadra's ideal version of Texas:




    The irony is, you voted for this version of Texas. and I voted against it.

    Such a wokester.

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    The_barBEARian said:

    Mothra said:

    The_barBEARian said:

    Mossadra's ideal version of Texas:




    The irony is, you voted for this version of Texas. and I voted against it.

    Such a wokester.



    You have her poster on your wall, next to Che Guevara and Hitler?

    Viva la Democrats!
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    muddybrazos said:

    Mothra said:

    muddybrazos said:



    Hey Viviek, go hop on the non stop train back to India. You;re done.

    It's an interesting world we live in where so-called conservatives are happier about a conservative losing to a leftist nutjob, merely because that conservative supports Israel.

    Just goes to show we have a lot of people claiming to be conservative who aren't.



    Actually this isnt about Israel. Its about destroying the political career of an Indian scammer that rigged an FDA adcom phase 1 trial to to a pump and dump on a failed drug. Now he wants to be president and bring infinity of his country men here. He had to lose and the GOP shouldve known better than to keep giving us these lousy candidates. Literally any normal Ohio guy couldve won this just like in SC literally any man or even woman other than Darline Graham couldve won that senate seat. The GOP deserves what it got.

    Do you think that the Democrat who won is in favor of immigration?

    Of course she is.

    For you, perfect is the enemy of good.
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    Mothra said:

    muddybrazos said:

    Mothra said:

    muddybrazos said:



    Hey Viviek, go hop on the non stop train back to India. You;re done.

    It's an interesting world we live in where so-called conservatives are happier about a conservative losing to a leftist nutjob, merely because that conservative supports Israel.

    Just goes to show we have a lot of people claiming to be conservative who aren't.



    Actually this isnt about Israel. Its about destroying the political career of an Indian scammer that rigged an FDA adcom phase 1 trial to to a pump and dump on a failed drug. Now he wants to be president and bring infinity of his country men here. He had to lose and the GOP shouldve known better than to keep giving us these lousy candidates. Literally any normal Ohio guy couldve won this just like in SC literally any man or even woman other than Darline Graham couldve won that senate seat. The GOP deserves what it got.

    Do you think that the Democrat who won is in favor of immigration?

    Of course she is.

    For you, perfect is the enemy of good.

    It doesnt matter. Destroying Vivek is worth one term of some dem so the GOP can learn from their stupidity.
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