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Laugh all you want, that's enough to influence elections
I'm laughing because I don't believe your numbers are nearly that big. And I think these primaries have proven you guys aren't nearly as powerful as you perceive. Grievance and identity politics will take you only so far.
But you're correct it may be enough to lose an election for conservatives given the thin margins. The question is are normal, decent conservatives going to allow the fringe minority who hold disgusting beliefs to take over the party in the same vein the Dems did in 2020? I suspect the answer to that is no. There are too many honest decent Christians in the party who finds Fuentes unchristian white supremacist views disgusting and will not go down that road of racist identity politics. I'm one of them. If the Dems have taught us anything, it is that form of politics is a recipe for disaster.
I'd never vote for a groyper.
Did you actually look at the methodology yourself, or are you just doing that thing where you pretend it's fake because you don't want it to be true?
And there's hardly anything Christian about the GOP as it stands today. You have very few honest people in office, the rest are greedy opportunists who've traded their constituents' interests to lobbyists.
No I didn't review the methodology of the survey listed. While I doubt the numbers are that high, that really wasn't relevant to my larger point.
Assuming what he's saying is true, he's essentially assuming the republicans will do the same thing as the democrats in 2020 and cede control to his tiny, fringe minority. And I can tell you with certainty - that's not going to happen. As I said, unlike the godless Dems, there are too many good conservatives out there that don't buy into the whiny grievance evil rhetoric of the little, white racist gay "catholic." The moral people won't allow that to happen.
Sure every human institution is fallible, a product of our fallen world. But the planks of the Republican Party are not based, like Fuentes's beliefs. They're not racist and immoral like Fuentes. And therein lies the difference.
The next time Fuentes is right in his predictions will be the first time.
Don't worry, you'll come around. Just enjoy the ride.
I'll become an impotent white racist who hates women, other races and the Jews most of all?
Damn. What's it like?
And you think that's the party that is going to win a general?
lol. You have a lot to learn young un
Idk what you're talking about. No one hates women, Jews, or other races.
Fuentes does. We've been over this. Again:
1) Regarding women/impotence, he admitted to having an "open hatred of women." He has stated that women's rights should be "taken away," advocated for stripping women of the right to vote, and argued that women should be "banned from public life." And this isn't just restricted to liberal women, but all women.He has described himself as "involuntarily celibate" and said he doesn't date, or have a desire to date. In other words, sounds gay.
2) Regarding blacks, he has said that "Blacks need to be in prison for the most part," and regularly uses the "n" word to describe them.
3) Regarding Jews, he's denied many aspects of the Holocaust, including questioning whether it actually occurred, sympathized with the Nazis, and has suggested a Jewish cabal runs our country.
So, yeah, Fuentes does hate women and other races, including the Jews most of all.
I am sure you try to explain all of these comments away as Fuentes merely "kidding" or lying to be provocative? Amiright?
Anyone that thinks a party that subscribes to these beliefs is going to win an election anytime soon is not living in reality.
You're regurgitating Ben Shapiro talking points.
It's just edgy humor, it's not for everyone. The older folks have the most trouble understanding it. How can someone be racist and be friends with black and brown people? If I hate blacks I sure as hell wouldn't hang around them or listen to their music.
I get that you want to dismiss what I said by calling it "Ben Shapiro talking points," but that doesn't actually address anything I wrote. These are Fuentes' own recorded statements. If you think any of the quotes are fake, point out which one.
You're saying all of this is just "edgy humor." Okay then tell me what his real positions are. Does he actually respect women, Black people, and Jewish people, or are those comments the "jokes"? How do you tell the difference?
If he says something extreme, is that the joke?
If he says something moderate, is that the joke?
If he tells his audience to vote Democrat, was that also a joke? Or was he serious?
You can't have it both ways. If everything is "just humor," then nothing he says means anything. And if some of it does reflect his real beliefs, then you need to explain which parts and how you know.
Right now, your position boils down to:
"Ignore what he says; trust what I think he secretly means."
That's not an argument.
You don't watch his streams, there is no secret message. All you know is what you've seen from Ben Shapiro and Piers Morgan. They play the same 5 clips.
If you can't tell the difference between jokes and real commentary, you either lack critical thinking skills or have only seen clips out of context on the internet.
He is serious about voting Democrat.
I get that you want to keep repeating that talking point in order to avoid answering the questions. Is it that you can't answer? Do you not know? Or are you concerned about how the real answer might be viewed?
Let me try this one more time.
So we now know he says vote Democrat. That most definitely WASN'T a joke. Do you agree, and will you do so this fall in order to effectuate the groyper takeover of the Republican Party?
As for the rest, does he actually respect women? Does he want to marry? Or is he just joking?
What about black people? Just joking?
What about Jewish people? Respect them? Believe the Holocaust happened? Or is this another one of his jokes?
When he criticizes JD Vance for marrying a "geet" and says he won't vote for him as a result, do you agree? Will you follow his racist-motivated lead? Or is that another one of his jokes?
And how do you personally tell the difference between the more extreme "joking" and his real positions. I mean, obviously, you were able to tell the difference between his comments about voting Democrat. That was not a joke. Where is the line?
Let me help you, a lot of people struggle with reading tone and mood. Look out for exaggeration, e.g., "every black person should be in jail, for the most part" is a joke because it is overly dramatic. Also monitor the subjects body language, if Mr. Fuentes is smiling and laughing while saying something off-color, that is a joke.
Now I will respond to your follow up questions-
Voting- I told you I live in a very blue city, my state is purple. No one important is up for reelection here. I would consider voting blue over Dave McCormick, or maybe sit out completely.
Women- He is a self-proclaimed incel. Wants to marry but probably won't.
Black people- Joking. Although he thinks they are dangerous and have a major cultural problem.
Jews- Respects Jewish people, speaks highly of them. But Zionists are the enemy. Believes in the Holocaust and doesn't think Hitler was a good person.
JD- Rumor has it that JD Vance doesn't want to run in 2028, but Fuentes wouldn't vote for Vance because of his connections with Peter Thiel, not his wife. I wouldn't vote Vance either, nor Rubio.
You're giving a lot of benefit of the doubt to someone whose "jokes" consistently target specific people groups in a negative way. Calling something a joke doesn't excuse it, especially when the punchline is that a whole group is dangerous, inferior, or should be treated differently. Repeating that kind of rhetoric, even with a smile, normalizes it.
If someone regularly "jokes" about Black people being criminals or frames Jews as enemies (even with qualifiers), that's not just exaggeration; it's signaling a worldview. Smiling while saying something ugly doesn't make it harmless, it just makes it easier to slip past criticism. People use humor all the time to launder views they know wouldn't sound acceptable if said directly.
As for Vance, Nick Fuentes literally called Vance a "race traitor" and used a racial slur ("jeet") about his wife. Is that
also a joke? Or does he actually believe Vance is a "race traitor" because of who he married? Because you can't have it both ways. If every time he says something extreme it's "just a joke," but the message
consistently lines up with the same worldview - anti-interracial marriage, hostility toward non-white groups - then it stops looking like humor and starts looking like he means it.
And this one is especially hard to wave away. There's no exaggeration here, no absurd punchline. It's a straightforward insult rooted in race. Even JD Vance himself treated it as serious, calling it out as racist attack - not sarcasm, not edgy humor. So again: if your defense is "pay attention to tone," point to the joke. What's the punchline?
BTW - proud to say I've never voted Democrat in any state or national election in my 30 plus years of voting. Anyone who would needs to consider they may not actually be conservative.
