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So many of the things you're saying about Fuentes are flat out wrong. Again, you're going off of 10 second clips as you admitted you haven't watched the show. You tell people to investigate but you need to go do your own before making bold statements like you've been doing here

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That being the case, it should be easy then to point a few things you think I am wrong about. Let's discuss. Where am I wrong?

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For starters, the whole Nazi thing. He has made it clear that he disavows the actions of Hitler and the third reich (and Stalin too). He admires them as great men of history, same pool as Caesar, Napoleon, Genghis Khan, etc. He also disavows all harmful acts towards Jews in general. Two recent incidents, one was when the kid dressed as a Nazi at a bar in Georgia, the other when the kid threw coins at Dave Portnoy. Fuentes disavowed both.

I think you guys are misunderstanding the white supremacy thing as well. He has stated that he believes all people are created equally in the eyes of God. He has black and Jewish friends that he collabs with frequently. However, he wants to preserve the white race as the demographic core of America and Europe. He has no intentions to harm/deport legal blacks, jews, or Indians

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It's interesting you thought this was a defense of Nick.

My friend, anyone who thinks Hitler and Stalin are "cool" or "great men" is a seriously screwed up and misguided individual who needs to repent and find Jesus. These were not cool men. They were despicable, evil human beings, responsible for millions of deaths.

You seriously need to get your priorities straightened.

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Perhaps it's because your father's generation fought against these guys (if you're a boomer or early Gen x) but I don't think you older guys understand. Just because someone is bad, doesn't mean they can't be cool or fascinating. It's similar to Robert E Lee and many of the CSA generals, they were extremely fascinating men, much more so than those of the union side in my opinion (coming from a yankee btw). But you can't talk about them without some leftist complaining in your ear about how they're racist. It's awfully tiresome

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My dad was a Vietnam vet. So I am quite a bit younger than a boomer. In fact, I am much closer to a Millennial than a boomer (about 3 years removed). So, it's not my age that has me thinking it's wrong to call a mass murderer responsible for genocide and the deaths of millions cool or great. It's just basic common human decency.

Robert E Lee was not a mass murderer responsible for genocide. So that's kind of an apples to bowling balls comparison.

What makes Hitler/Stalin "great" men, in your book?

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Mothra, there are great men, like our fathers, and then there are great men who conquer nations, win battles, are insanely intelligent, and possess amazing leadership skills. We are obviously talking about the latter definition when talking about Hitler and Stalin. Go on and google "great men of history" and it will give you a list of guys, including Washington, Lincoln, Hitler, Alexander the Great, etc

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I would submit that no reasonable person or historian thinks Hitler and Stalin were "great" men, but that doesn't answer my question.

What makes them great in your book? What makes them great in Fuentes' book? In other words, what do you guy admire about these despots?

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Did you even read what I said? Do you understand the context of the word "great" in this conversation?

Hitler and Stalin are great because they industrialized their respective nations. Stalin transformed a peasant society into a world super power armed with nuclear weapons. Hitler took a war-torn dirt-poor Germany and turned them into one of the strongest nations in the world

JFK's personal diary stated "Hitler will emerge from the hatred that surrounds him now as one of the most significant figures who ever lived"

He also described Hitler as "the stuff of which legends are made"

I would say JFK is a pretty reasonable man, what do you think?

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So you think it's just the things Hitler and Stalin accomplished makes them great, not that they're mass murderers worthy of scorn.

Sounds like you really admire them and think they're cool dudes, like Nick. Right?

BTW, using this definition, we really need to take another look at Mao's and bin Laden's accomplishments. Sounds like they are "great" men as well using your definition.

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Yeah. Using this definition, I would include Mao as one of the great men of history. Bin Laden? Not so much. He's mid. Doesn't even sniff the others actually

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And do you find Stalin and Hitler really ****ing cool as well? And if so, what do you think makes them so ****ing cool?

As for bin Laden, I don't know. Using your criteria, I would say being able to bring down the WTC was an incredible "accomplishment."

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I find them very fascinating. The Nazis had cool uniforms though, the Hugo Boss. Their guns were cool too. They're cool in a super villain kinda way

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The Nazis were a strange cult. The real danger is how they corrupted so many ordinary people into supporting them. A lot of otherwise-decent people bought into a pack of lies they should have rejected out of hand.

As far as 'cool' goes, freezing to death in North Russia, discovering what a bunch of really pissed partisans can do, starving to the point of making 'bread' out of sawdust, don't really work out to much of a 'cool' thing, then to find out that all your sacrifice was to prop up a few malignant monsters at the top?

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You could say the same about the Bolsheviks or other Communist takeovers in North Korea, Venezuela, etc. What happened in Germany was not a new thing. For example, I doubt most people like living under dictatorships yet they are common throughout history.

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Hope you're ready to find out, because that's where The Leader is taking us.

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Betcha $20 we aren't going to be a dictatorship in the near future…

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I would bet that troops get deployed in major cities to ensure Republican victory in 2028, if not in 2026. Is that soon enough to qualify?

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You're on. $20 says you're wrong.

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Winnings go to charity, as before.

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So many of the things you're saying about Fuentes are flat out wrong. Again, you're going off of 10 second clips as you admitted you haven't watched the show. You tell people to investigate but you need to go do your own before making bold statements like you've been doing here

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That being the case, it should be easy then to point a few things you think I am wrong about. Let's discuss. Where am I wrong?

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For starters, the whole Nazi thing. He has made it clear that he disavows the actions of Hitler and the third reich (and Stalin too). He admires them as great men of history, same pool as Caesar, Napoleon, Genghis Khan, etc. He also disavows all harmful acts towards Jews in general. Two recent incidents, one was when the kid dressed as a Nazi at a bar in Georgia, the other when the kid threw coins at Dave Portnoy. Fuentes disavowed both.

I think you guys are misunderstanding the white supremacy thing as well. He has stated that he believes all people are created equally in the eyes of God. He has black and Jewish friends that he collabs with frequently. However, he wants to preserve the white race as the demographic core of America and Europe. He has no intentions to harm/deport legal blacks, jews, or Indians

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It's interesting you thought this was a defense of Nick.

My friend, anyone who thinks Hitler and Stalin are "cool" or "great men" is a seriously screwed up and misguided individual who needs to repent and find Jesus. These were not cool men. They were despicable, evil human beings, responsible for millions of deaths.

You seriously need to get your priorities straightened.

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Perhaps it's because your father's generation fought against these guys (if you're a boomer or early Gen x) but I don't think you older guys understand. Just because someone is bad, doesn't mean they can't be cool or fascinating. It's similar to Robert E Lee and many of the CSA generals, they were extremely fascinating men, much more so than those of the union side in my opinion (coming from a yankee btw). But you can't talk about them without some leftist complaining in your ear about how they're racist. It's awfully tiresome

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My dad was a Vietnam vet. So I am quite a bit younger than a boomer. In fact, I am much closer to a Millennial than a boomer (about 3 years removed). So, it's not my age that has me thinking it's wrong to call a mass murderer responsible for genocide and the deaths of millions cool or great. It's just basic common human decency.

Robert E Lee was not a mass murderer responsible for genocide. So that's kind of an apples to bowling balls comparison.

What makes Hitler/Stalin "great" men, in your book?

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Mothra, there are great men, like our fathers, and then there are great men who conquer nations, win battles, are insanely intelligent, and possess amazing leadership skills. We are obviously talking about the latter definition when talking about Hitler and Stalin. Go on and google "great men of history" and it will give you a list of guys, including Washington, Lincoln, Hitler, Alexander the Great, etc

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I would submit that no reasonable person or historian thinks Hitler and Stalin were "great" men, but that doesn't answer my question.

What makes them great in your book? What makes them great in Fuentes' book? In other words, what do you guy admire about these despots?

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Did you even read what I said? Do you understand the context of the word "great" in this conversation?

Hitler and Stalin are great because they industrialized their respective nations. Stalin transformed a peasant society into a world super power armed with nuclear weapons. Hitler took a war-torn dirt-poor Germany and turned them into one of the strongest nations in the world

JFK's personal diary stated "Hitler will emerge from the hatred that surrounds him now as one of the most significant figures who ever lived"

He also described Hitler as "the stuff of which legends are made"

I would say JFK is a pretty reasonable man, what do you think?

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So you think it's just the things Hitler and Stalin accomplished makes them great, not that they're mass murderers worthy of scorn.

Sounds like you really admire them and think they're cool dudes, like Nick. Right?

BTW, using this definition, we really need to take another look at Mao's and bin Laden's accomplishments. Sounds like they are "great" men as well using your definition.

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Yeah. Using this definition, I would include Mao as one of the great men of history. Bin Laden? Not so much. He's mid. Doesn't even sniff the others actually

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And do you find Stalin and Hitler really ****ing cool as well? And if so, what do you think makes them so ****ing cool?

As for bin Laden, I don't know. Using your criteria, I would say being able to bring down the WTC was an incredible "accomplishment."

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I find them very fascinating. The Nazis had cool uniforms though, the Hugo Boss. Their guns were cool too. They're cool in a super villain kinda way

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The Nazis were a strange cult. The real danger is how they corrupted so many ordinary people into supporting them. A lot of otherwise-decent people bought into a pack of lies they should have rejected out of hand.

As far as 'cool' goes, freezing to death in North Russia, discovering what a bunch of really pissed partisans can do, starving to the point of making 'bread' out of sawdust, don't really work out to much of a 'cool' thing, then to find out that all your sacrifice was to prop up a few malignant monsters at the top?

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You could say the same about the Bolsheviks or other Communist takeovers in North Korea, Venezuela, etc. What happened in Germany was not a new thing. For example, I doubt most people like living under dictatorships yet they are common throughout history.

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Hope you're ready to find out, because that's where The Leader is taking us.

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Betcha $20 we aren't going to be a dictatorship in the near future…

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I would bet that troops get deployed in major cities to ensure Republican victory in 2028, if not in 2026. Is that soon enough to qualify?

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You're on. $20 says you're wrong.

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Winnings go to charity, as before.

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Works for me. I'll bookmark this page

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So many of the things you're saying about Fuentes are flat out wrong. Again, you're going off of 10 second clips as you admitted you haven't watched the show. You tell people to investigate but you need to go do your own before making bold statements like you've been doing here

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That being the case, it should be easy then to point a few things you think I am wrong about. Let's discuss. Where am I wrong?

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For starters, the whole Nazi thing. He has made it clear that he disavows the actions of Hitler and the third reich (and Stalin too). He admires them as great men of history, same pool as Caesar, Napoleon, Genghis Khan, etc. He also disavows all harmful acts towards Jews in general. Two recent incidents, one was when the kid dressed as a Nazi at a bar in Georgia, the other when the kid threw coins at Dave Portnoy. Fuentes disavowed both.

I think you guys are misunderstanding the white supremacy thing as well. He has stated that he believes all people are created equally in the eyes of God. He has black and Jewish friends that he collabs with frequently. However, he wants to preserve the white race as the demographic core of America and Europe. He has no intentions to harm/deport legal blacks, jews, or Indians

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It's interesting you thought this was a defense of Nick.

My friend, anyone who thinks Hitler and Stalin are "cool" or "great men" is a seriously screwed up and misguided individual who needs to repent and find Jesus. These were not cool men. They were despicable, evil human beings, responsible for millions of deaths.

You seriously need to get your priorities straightened.

---

Perhaps it's because your father's generation fought against these guys (if you're a boomer or early Gen x) but I don't think you older guys understand. Just because someone is bad, doesn't mean they can't be cool or fascinating. It's similar to Robert E Lee and many of the CSA generals, they were extremely fascinating men, much more so than those of the union side in my opinion (coming from a yankee btw). But you can't talk about them without some leftist complaining in your ear about how they're racist. It's awfully tiresome

---

My dad was a Vietnam vet. So I am quite a bit younger than a boomer. In fact, I am much closer to a Millennial than a boomer (about 3 years removed). So, it's not my age that has me thinking it's wrong to call a mass murderer responsible for genocide and the deaths of millions cool or great. It's just basic common human decency.

Robert E Lee was not a mass murderer responsible for genocide. So that's kind of an apples to bowling balls comparison.

What makes Hitler/Stalin "great" men, in your book?

---

Mothra, there are great men, like our fathers, and then there are great men who conquer nations, win battles, are insanely intelligent, and possess amazing leadership skills. We are obviously talking about the latter definition when talking about Hitler and Stalin. Go on and google "great men of history" and it will give you a list of guys, including Washington, Lincoln, Hitler, Alexander the Great, etc

---

I would submit that no reasonable person or historian thinks Hitler and Stalin were "great" men, but that doesn't answer my question.

What makes them great in your book? What makes them great in Fuentes' book? In other words, what do you guy admire about these despots?

---

Did you even read what I said? Do you understand the context of the word "great" in this conversation?

Hitler and Stalin are great because they industrialized their respective nations. Stalin transformed a peasant society into a world super power armed with nuclear weapons. Hitler took a war-torn dirt-poor Germany and turned them into one of the strongest nations in the world

JFK's personal diary stated "Hitler will emerge from the hatred that surrounds him now as one of the most significant figures who ever lived"

He also described Hitler as "the stuff of which legends are made"

I would say JFK is a pretty reasonable man, what do you think?

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So you think it's just the things Hitler and Stalin accomplished makes them great, not that they're mass murderers worthy of scorn.

Sounds like you really admire them and think they're cool dudes, like Nick. Right?

BTW, using this definition, we really need to take another look at Mao's and bin Laden's accomplishments. Sounds like they are "great" men as well using your definition.

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Yeah. Using this definition, I would include Mao as one of the great men of history. Bin Laden? Not so much. He's mid. Doesn't even sniff the others actually

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And do you find Stalin and Hitler really ****ing cool as well? And if so, what do you think makes them so ****ing cool?

As for bin Laden, I don't know. Using your criteria, I would say being able to bring down the WTC was an incredible "accomplishment."

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I find them very fascinating. The Nazis had cool uniforms though, the Hugo Boss. Their guns were cool too. They're cool in a super villain kinda way

---

The Nazis were a strange cult. The real danger is how they corrupted so many ordinary people into supporting them. A lot of otherwise-decent people bought into a pack of lies they should have rejected out of hand.

As far as 'cool' goes, freezing to death in North Russia, discovering what a bunch of really pissed partisans can do, starving to the point of making 'bread' out of sawdust, don't really work out to much of a 'cool' thing, then to find out that all your sacrifice was to prop up a few malignant monsters at the top?

---

You could say the same about the Bolsheviks or other Communist takeovers in North Korea, Venezuela, etc. What happened in Germany was not a new thing. For example, I doubt most people like living under dictatorships yet they are common throughout history.

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Hope you're ready to find out, because that's where The Leader is taking us.

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Betcha $20 we aren't going to be a dictatorship in the near future…

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I would bet that troops get deployed in major cities to ensure Republican victory in 2028, if not in 2026. Is that soon enough to qualify?

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Sam, I am afraid you completely overestimate the capability of the GOP. Probably 80% of elected republicans are nothing but grifters whose only make a show of opposition to democrats. There is zero chance of that.

Yup, and no more rational than anytime before.

Liberals: "we have made everything about racial, gender, and identity for decades…and white men are the ones we want to crush. Also, why are the young kids turning to Nazis for info?"

NOW - Miriam Adelson says she spoke to Alan Dershowitz in Israel about the legality of Trump serving a third 4-year term: "We can do it!.. Think about it. I will give you another $250 million." pic.twitter.com/Nw34IWpbDJ

— Disclose.tv (@disclosetv) December 17, 2025

Funny how this "Hannukah" celebration turns into a Israel First celebration... if noticing the traitors putting foreign interests over American interests makes me anti-jew, guilty as charged.

Am I understanding this right? Randy Fine is using Tax Dollars to fund his campaign?

— Owen Shroyer (@OwenShroyer1776) December 16, 2025

Finally a poll that isnt fake!

Which is the biggest threat to the West?

— David Kurten (@davidkurten) December 16, 2025

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Mothra said:

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Mothra said:

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Mothra said:

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BigGameBaylorBear said:

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Mothra said:

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BigGameBaylorBear said:

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Mothra said:

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BigGameBaylorBear said:

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So many of the things you're saying about Fuentes are flat out wrong. Again, you're going off of 10 second clips as you admitted you haven't watched the show. You tell people to investigate but you need to go do your own before making bold statements like you've been doing here

---

That being the case, it should be easy then to point a few things you think I am wrong about. Let's discuss. Where am I wrong?

---

For starters, the whole Nazi thing. He has made it clear that he disavows the actions of Hitler and the third reich (and Stalin too). He admires them as great men of history, same pool as Caesar, Napoleon, Genghis Khan, etc. He also disavows all harmful acts towards Jews in general. Two recent incidents, one was when the kid dressed as a Nazi at a bar in Georgia, the other when the kid threw coins at Dave Portnoy. Fuentes disavowed both.

I think you guys are misunderstanding the white supremacy thing as well. He has stated that he believes all people are created equally in the eyes of God. He has black and Jewish friends that he collabs with frequently. However, he wants to preserve the white race as the demographic core of America and Europe. He has no intentions to harm/deport legal blacks, jews, or Indians

---

It's interesting you thought this was a defense of Nick.

My friend, anyone who thinks Hitler and Stalin are "cool" or "great men" is a seriously screwed up and misguided individual who needs to repent and find Jesus. These were not cool men. They were despicable, evil human beings, responsible for millions of deaths.

You seriously need to get your priorities straightened.

---

Perhaps it's because your father's generation fought against these guys (if you're a boomer or early Gen x) but I don't think you older guys understand. Just because someone is bad, doesn't mean they can't be cool or fascinating. It's similar to Robert E Lee and many of the CSA generals, they were extremely fascinating men, much more so than those of the union side in my opinion (coming from a yankee btw). But you can't talk about them without some leftist complaining in your ear about how they're racist. It's awfully tiresome

---

My dad was a Vietnam vet. So I am quite a bit younger than a boomer. In fact, I am much closer to a Millennial than a boomer (about 3 years removed). So, it's not my age that has me thinking it's wrong to call a mass murderer responsible for genocide and the deaths of millions cool or great. It's just basic common human decency.

Robert E Lee was not a mass murderer responsible for genocide. So that's kind of an apples to bowling balls comparison.

What makes Hitler/Stalin "great" men, in your book?

---

Mothra, there are great men, like our fathers, and then there are great men who conquer nations, win battles, are insanely intelligent, and possess amazing leadership skills. We are obviously talking about the latter definition when talking about Hitler and Stalin. Go on and google "great men of history" and it will give you a list of guys, including Washington, Lincoln, Hitler, Alexander the Great, etc

---

I would submit that no reasonable person or historian thinks Hitler and Stalin were "great" men, but that doesn't answer my question.

What makes them great in your book? What makes them great in Fuentes' book? In other words, what do you guy admire about these despots?

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Did you even read what I said? Do you understand the context of the word "great" in this conversation?

Hitler and Stalin are great because they industrialized their respective nations. Stalin transformed a peasant society into a world super power armed with nuclear weapons. Hitler took a war-torn dirt-poor Germany and turned them into one of the strongest nations in the world

JFK's personal diary stated "Hitler will emerge from the hatred that surrounds him now as one of the most significant figures who ever lived"

He also described Hitler as "the stuff of which legends are made"

I would say JFK is a pretty reasonable man, what do you think?

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So you think it's just the things Hitler and Stalin accomplished makes them great, not that they're mass murderers worthy of scorn.

Sounds like you really admire them and think they're cool dudes, like Nick. Right?

BTW, using this definition, we really need to take another look at Mao's and bin Laden's accomplishments. Sounds like they are "great" men as well using your definition.

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Yeah. Using this definition, I would include Mao as one of the great men of history. Bin Laden? Not so much. He's mid. Doesn't even sniff the others actually

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And do you find Stalin and Hitler really ****ing cool as well? And if so, what do you think makes them so ****ing cool?

As for bin Laden, I don't know. Using your criteria, I would say being able to bring down the WTC was an incredible "accomplishment."

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I find them very fascinating. The Nazis had cool uniforms though, the Hugo Boss. Their guns were cool too. They're cool in a super villain kinda way

---

The Nazis were a strange cult. The real danger is how they corrupted so many ordinary people into supporting them. A lot of otherwise-decent people bought into a pack of lies they should have rejected out of hand.

As far as 'cool' goes, freezing to death in North Russia, discovering what a bunch of really pissed partisans can do, starving to the point of making 'bread' out of sawdust, don't really work out to much of a 'cool' thing, then to find out that all your sacrifice was to prop up a few malignant monsters at the top?

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You could say the same about the Bolsheviks or other Communist takeovers in North Korea, Venezuela, etc. What happened in Germany was not a new thing. For example, I doubt most people like living under dictatorships yet they are common throughout history.

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I thought you might appreciate this video.

There were great men on both sides of WW2.

Churchill was the chief villain of WW2.

So much spilled blood could have been avoided. England and Germany should have been united against the real threat... the Bolsheviks and their anti-Christian, anti-white leadership.

Except the Germans

The Germans vets see the world as it is today and they know it's this way because they failed in their efforts. https://t.co/4CwfRg0OxD pic.twitter.com/OfZ8Faqhi7

— Into the Memory Hole (@frogNscorpion) December 16, 2025

Its crazy how much real history has been covered up by the "victors"... but then again they were able to keep the USS Liberty and the delibrate and intentional murder of 34 US Servicemen a secret from the American public for nearly 50 years...

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Churchill was the chief villain of WW2.

So much spilled blood could have been avoided. England and Germany should have been united against the real threat... the Bolsheviks and their anti-Christian, anti-white leadership.

Except the Germans

The Germans vets see the world as it is today and they know it's this way because they failed in their efforts. https://t.co/4CwfRg0OxD pic.twitter.com/OfZ8Faqhi7

— Into the Memory Hole (@frogNscorpion) December 16, 2025

Its crazy how much real history has been covered up by the "victors"... but then again they were able to keep the USS Liberty and the delibrate and intentional murder of 34 US Servicemen a secret from the American public for nearly 50 years...

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If you read Pat Buchanan's book, "Hitler, Churchill, and the Unnecessary War" he makes a pretty strong case that both WW2 and the Holocaust was avoidable. It is thorouhly researched and very good, as are all of his books.

Watch the interview. One man's partisans are another man's terrorists...and the money line "war has its own rules." Which is why our CIA and neocons are such a threat to our national security.

If only Winston had pacified the Germans, conceding Polish territory, and allowed him to enslave/exterminate the Jews within Poland.

Yes, I am certain Hitler's bloodlust would have stopped there. And after all, it's only the lives of a few Jews. Maybe Hitler would have enslaved them instead of murdering them.

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Churchill was the chief villain of WW2.

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Aaaand you can stop reading there.

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The_barBEARian said:

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Churchill was the chief villain of WW2.

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Aaaand you can stop reading there.

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Tucker Carlson version of 'history for the weak minded'

The old cliche saying, "history is written by the victors" is so evident when studying WW2. I encourage all history buffs to make an attempt to study 20th century history from a true neutral perspective, read from the axis side, the translated Hitler speeches are real interesting to listen to as well

BigGameBaylorBear said:

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The old cliche saying, "history is written by the victors" is so evident when studying WW2. I encourage all history buffs to make an attempt to study 20th century history from a true neutral perspective, read from the axis side, the translated Hitler speeches are real interesting to listen to as well

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Big Hitler fan I see.

Mothra said:

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BigGameBaylorBear said:

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The old cliche saying, "history is written by the victors" is so evident when studying WW2. I encourage all history buffs to make an attempt to study 20th century history from a true neutral perspective, read from the axis side, the translated Hitler speeches are real interesting to listen to as well

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Big Hitler fan I see.

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I had a feeling you would respond, I should've threw a disclaimer in my post. Figured yall could have mature conversations without pointing fingers

Mothra said:

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If only Winston had pacified the Germans, conceding Polish territory, and allowed him to enslave/exterminate the Jews within Poland.

Yes, I am certain Hitler's bloodlust would have stopped there. And after all, it's only the lives of a few Jews. Maybe Hitler would have enslaved them instead of murdering them.

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I think you meant to say German territory that was taken after WW1

BigGameBaylorBear said:

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The old cliche saying, "history is written by the victors" is so evident when studying WW2. I encourage all history buffs to make an attempt to study 20th century history from a true neutral perspective, read from the axis side, the translated Hitler speeches are real interesting to listen to as well

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Yes the German people were abused after WW2.

But there is no excuse for the horrible deaths the Nazis imposed on millions of people throughout Europe.

Hitler was a beast….as were Stalin and Mao.

Osodecentx said:

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Bruisers Burner Phone said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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Churchill was the chief villain of WW2.

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Aaaand you can stop reading there.

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Tucker Carlson version of 'history for the weak minded'

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Certainly it is podcaster Daryl Cooper's view of history, and Tucker seems to buy it hook, line, and sinker.

I've listened to Cooper and read Buchanan's book many years ago, and from what I recall of Buchanan and my understanding of Cooper's position, they are focused on what was essentially Churchill's unwillingness to agree to Hitler's desire to expand and conquer much of Eastern Europe. I know Buchanan didn't like the treatment of Germany post WWI, and posits that had Churchill been willing to allow Germany to conquer Eastern Europe, then a global conflict would likely not have happened, and the Holocaust would likely not have happened, because the Final Solution was a product of Hitler feeling the noose tightening.

Of course, what Buchanan ignores is that the Nazis' occupation of Poland was exceptionally brutal from the get-go. The Nazis targeted the educated Polish, including the teachers, clergy, doctors and govt. leaders, executing tens of thousands of them. They also had disdain for the Slavic background of the Polish, considering them an inferior race, which is why they killed millions of them indiscriminately. It is estimated that in addition to the 3 million Polish Jews who were exterminated at the hands of the Nazis, approximately 2 million ethnic Poles were likewise executed. This genocide began long before Hitler's Final Solution was put into effect, which of course completely undermines Buchanan's position. Hitler had plans to march through the rest of Eastern Europe and do the same thing as he did in Poland, and undoubtedly would have done so if not met with resistance.

Now, Buchanan is correct that Hitler didn't want war with GB. Indeed, he was a fan of Anglophiles (feeling they were also a superior race), and didn't have the disdain for them that he had for the Slavs and Jews, who he felt could be killed with abandon. So, in a sense, Buchanan is right that Churchill's refusal to allow Germany to march across Eastern Europe is what contributed to WWII becoming a global conflict. But it is an extremely ethnocentric (and, quite frankly, despicable) view in which Buchanan essentially demonstrated that it was more important in his mind for the Anglophiles to unite instead of war with one another. And that was more important than a few million dead Slavs and Jews.

Of course, you can see why it has so many fans on this board.

BigGameBaylorBear said:

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Mothra said:

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BigGameBaylorBear said:

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The old cliche saying, "history is written by the victors" is so evident when studying WW2. I encourage all history buffs to make an attempt to study 20th century history from a true neutral perspective, read from the axis side, the translated Hitler speeches are real interesting to listen to as well

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Big Hitler fan I see.

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I had a feeling you would respond, I should've threw a disclaimer in my post. Figured yall could have mature conversations without pointing fingers

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Just giving you a hard time. I don't share your admiration of Hitler, of course, but am happy to have a discussion, as you're more reasonable (and intelligent) than the other Groypers on this website.

There's still hope for you.

KaiBear said:

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BigGameBaylorBear said:

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The old cliche saying, "history is written by the victors" is so evident when studying WW2. I encourage all history buffs to make an attempt to study 20th century history from a true neutral perspective, read from the axis side, the translated Hitler speeches are real interesting to listen to as well

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Yes the German people were abused after WW2.

But there is no excuse for the horrible deaths the Nazis imposed on millions of people throughout Europe.

Hitler was a beast….as were Stalin and Mao.

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Beasts, but also "great" men, in his mind.

Of course, that is using a tortured and ridiculous interpretation of the word "great." But it makes sense to him, it appears.

Mothra said:

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Mothra said:

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BigGameBaylorBear said:

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The old cliche saying, "history is written by the victors" is so evident when studying WW2. I encourage all history buffs to make an attempt to study 20th century history from a true neutral perspective, read from the axis side, the translated Hitler speeches are real interesting to listen to as well

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Big Hitler fan I see.

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I had a feeling you would respond, I should've threw a disclaimer in my post. Figured yall could have mature conversations without pointing fingers

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Just giving you a hard time. I don't share your admiration of Hitler, of course, but am happy to have a discussion, as you're more reasonable (and intelligent) than the other Groypers on this website.

There's still hope for you.

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There is still hope for him to adopt my dying Boomer ideology that only white people - especially white German people - can be bad and that white people should not be proud of themselves at the risk of offending others, but should instead be as weak, pathetic, and cowardly as possible.

And if you say anything even approaching criticism of my sacred Boomer idol, Israel... I will rage at you with the intensity of a thousand suns... criticizing America and Europe is strongly encouraged however.

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Mothra said:

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If only Winston had pacified the Germans, conceding Polish territory, and allowed him to enslave/exterminate the Jews within Poland.

Yes, I am certain Hitler's bloodlust would have stopped there. And after all, it's only the lives of a few Jews. Maybe Hitler would have enslaved them instead of murdering them.

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I think you meant to say German territory that was taken after WW1

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No, I meant what I said. Germany took far more than the territory it lost in WW1. In addition to the whole of Poland, it took much of the rest of Eastern Europe.

The_barBEARian said:

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Mothra said:

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BigGameBaylorBear said:

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Mothra said:

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BigGameBaylorBear said:

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The old cliche saying, "history is written by the victors" is so evident when studying WW2. I encourage all history buffs to make an attempt to study 20th century history from a true neutral perspective, read from the axis side, the translated Hitler speeches are real interesting to listen to as well

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Big Hitler fan I see.

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I had a feeling you would respond, I should've threw a disclaimer in my post. Figured yall could have mature conversations without pointing fingers

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Just giving you a hard time. I don't share your admiration of Hitler, of course, but am happy to have a discussion, as you're more reasonable (and intelligent) than the other Groypers on this website.

There's still hope for you.

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There is still hope for him to adopt my dying Boomer ideology that only white people - especially white German people - can be bad and that white people should not be proud of themselves at the risk of offending others, but should instead be as weak, pathetic, and cowardly as possible.

And if you say anything even approaching criticism of my sacred Boomer idol, Israel... I will rage at you with the intensity of a thousand suns... criticizing America and Europe is strongly encouraged however.

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Speaking of boomer ideology, your ideology died off with the Nazis, lol.

Mothra said:

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BigGameBaylorBear said:

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Mothra said:

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BigGameBaylorBear said:

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The old cliche saying, "history is written by the victors" is so evident when studying WW2. I encourage all history buffs to make an attempt to study 20th century history from a true neutral perspective, read from the axis side, the translated Hitler speeches are real interesting to listen to as well

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Big Hitler fan I see.

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I had a feeling you would respond, I should've threw a disclaimer in my post. Figured yall could have mature conversations without pointing fingers

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Just giving you a hard time. I don't share your admiration of Hitler, of course, but am happy to have a discussion, as you're more reasonable (and intelligent) than the other Groypers on this website.

There's still hope for you.

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I appreciate it, always happy to have a civil discussion. I'm trying my best to bridge the gap between the groypers and Gen-X/Boomers

Our nation is sinking fast and we need each other in order to save it

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Mothra said:

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BigGameBaylorBear said:

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Mothra said:

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BigGameBaylorBear said:

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The old cliche saying, "history is written by the victors" is so evident when studying WW2. I encourage all history buffs to make an attempt to study 20th century history from a true neutral perspective, read from the axis side, the translated Hitler speeches are real interesting to listen to as well

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Big Hitler fan I see.

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I had a feeling you would respond, I should've threw a disclaimer in my post. Figured yall could have mature conversations without pointing fingers

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Just giving you a hard time. I don't share your admiration of Hitler, of course, but am happy to have a discussion, as you're more reasonable (and intelligent) than the other Groypers on this website.

There's still hope for you.

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I appreciate it, always happy to have a civil discussion. I'm trying my best to bridge the gap between the groypers and Gen-X/Boomers

Our nation is sinking fast and we need each other in order to save it

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NP, though I would submit that any position that tries to minimize Hitler's atrocities and describes him as "great" is going to have a very difficult time gaining a foothold with decent, conservative or Christian people.

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The_barBEARian said:

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If only Winston had pacified the Germans, conceding Polish territory, and allowed him to enslave/exterminate the Jews within Poland.

Yes, I am certain Hitler's bloodlust would have stopped there. And after all, it's only the lives of a few Jews. Maybe Hitler would have enslaved them instead of murdering them.

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I think you meant to say German territory that was taken after WW1

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No, I meant what I said. Germany took far more than the territory it lost in WW1. In addition to the whole of Poland, it took much of the rest of Eastern Europe.

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Lost me here.

Are you referring to the time period of 1939 through
1943…..prior to the massive Soviet counter offensive after Stalingrad ?

KaiBear said:

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Mothra said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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Mothra said:

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If only Winston had pacified the Germans, conceding Polish territory, and allowed him to enslave/exterminate the Jews within Poland.

Yes, I am certain Hitler's bloodlust would have stopped there. And after all, it's only the lives of a few Jews. Maybe Hitler would have enslaved them instead of murdering them.

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I think you meant to say German territory that was taken after WW1

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No, I meant what I said. Germany took far more than the territory it lost in WW1. In addition to the whole of Poland, it took much of the rest of Eastern Europe.

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Lost me here.

Are you referring to the time period of 1939 through
1943…..prior to the massive Soviet counter offensive after Stalingrad ?

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Germany took Poland, the Baltic States (Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia), Ukraine, Belarus, and large swathes of European Russia in WW2. That of course doesn't include Western Europe.

Don't know the time frame off the top of my head.

Mothra said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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Mothra said:

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BigGameBaylorBear said:

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Mothra said:

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BigGameBaylorBear said:

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The old cliche saying, "history is written by the victors" is so evident when studying WW2. I encourage all history buffs to make an attempt to study 20th century history from a true neutral perspective, read from the axis side, the translated Hitler speeches are real interesting to listen to as well

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Big Hitler fan I see.

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I had a feeling you would respond, I should've threw a disclaimer in my post. Figured yall could have mature conversations without pointing fingers

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Just giving you a hard time. I don't share your admiration of Hitler, of course, but am happy to have a discussion, as you're more reasonable (and intelligent) than the other Groypers on this website.

There's still hope for you.

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There is still hope for him to adopt my dying Boomer ideology that only white people - especially white German people - can be bad and that white people should not be proud of themselves at the risk of offending others, but should instead be as weak, pathetic, and cowardly as possible.

And if you say anything even approaching criticism of my sacred Boomer idol, Israel... I will rage at you with the intensity of a thousand suns... criticizing America and Europe is strongly encouraged however.

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Speaking of boomer ideology, your ideology died off with the Nazis, lol.

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Tell that to your son's football team.

The_barBEARian said:

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Mothra said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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Mothra said:

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BigGameBaylorBear said:

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Mothra said:

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BigGameBaylorBear said:

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The old cliche saying, "history is written by the victors" is so evident when studying WW2. I encourage all history buffs to make an attempt to study 20th century history from a true neutral perspective, read from the axis side, the translated Hitler speeches are real interesting to listen to as well

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Big Hitler fan I see.

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I had a feeling you would respond, I should've threw a disclaimer in my post. Figured yall could have mature conversations without pointing fingers

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Just giving you a hard time. I don't share your admiration of Hitler, of course, but am happy to have a discussion, as you're more reasonable (and intelligent) than the other Groypers on this website.

There's still hope for you.

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There is still hope for him to adopt my dying Boomer ideology that only white people - especially white German people - can be bad and that white people should not be proud of themselves at the risk of offending others, but should instead be as weak, pathetic, and cowardly as possible.

And if you say anything even approaching criticism of my sacred Boomer idol, Israel... I will rage at you with the intensity of a thousand suns... criticizing America and Europe is strongly encouraged however.

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Speaking of boomer ideology, your ideology died off with the Nazis, lol.

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Tell that to your son's football team.

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The good news is that most of the team disagreed with the handful of racist neo-Nazis. Most still adhere to common human decency and morality.

So "boomer" of them.

Mothra said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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Mothra said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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Mothra said:

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BigGameBaylorBear said:

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Mothra said:

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BigGameBaylorBear said:

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The old cliche saying, "history is written by the victors" is so evident when studying WW2. I encourage all history buffs to make an attempt to study 20th century history from a true neutral perspective, read from the axis side, the translated Hitler speeches are real interesting to listen to as well

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Big Hitler fan I see.

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I had a feeling you would respond, I should've threw a disclaimer in my post. Figured yall could have mature conversations without pointing fingers

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Just giving you a hard time. I don't share your admiration of Hitler, of course, but am happy to have a discussion, as you're more reasonable (and intelligent) than the other Groypers on this website.

There's still hope for you.

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There is still hope for him to adopt my dying Boomer ideology that only white people - especially white German people - can be bad and that white people should not be proud of themselves at the risk of offending others, but should instead be as weak, pathetic, and cowardly as possible.

And if you say anything even approaching criticism of my sacred Boomer idol, Israel... I will rage at you with the intensity of a thousand suns... criticizing America and Europe is strongly encouraged however.

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Speaking of boomer ideology, your ideology died off with the Nazis, lol.

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Tell that to your son's football team.

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The good news is that most of the team disagreed with the handful of racist neo-Nazis. Most still adhere to common human decency and morality.

So "boomer" of them.

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I'm sure they'll be wearing balaclavas and burning down historical monuments in no time!

You'll be a proud Boomer!

Honestly, the fact that you would call teenagers "racist neo-nazis" for being edgy and counter-culture just proves what a ****** and POS you are....

Mothra said:

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KaiBear said:

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Mothra said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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Mothra said:

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If only Winston had pacified the Germans, conceding Polish territory, and allowed him to enslave/exterminate the Jews within Poland.

Yes, I am certain Hitler's bloodlust would have stopped there. And after all, it's only the lives of a few Jews. Maybe Hitler would have enslaved them instead of murdering them.

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I think you meant to say German territory that was taken after WW1

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No, I meant what I said. Germany took far more than the territory it lost in WW1. In addition to the whole of Poland, it took much of the rest of Eastern Europe.

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Lost me here.

Are you referring to the time period of 1939 through
1943…..prior to the massive Soviet counter offensive after Stalingrad ?

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Germany took Poland, the Baltic States (Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia), Ukraine, Belarus, and large swathes of European Russia in WW2. That of course doesn't include Western Europe.

Don't know the time frame off the top of my head.

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US interpretation of historical events in Europe are rarely clear cut.

Much of what Hitler occupied prior to his invasion of Poland in 1939 was ground lost at the end of WW1.

Even parts of Poland had belonged to Germany for generations.

Does this justify Hitler's slaughter of millions of Jews, Slavs, Catholics, gypsies, and other civilians….,of course not.

Hitler and Himmler were ruthless animals.

But so were Stalin and Mao.

The_barBEARian said:

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Mothra said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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Mothra said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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Mothra said:

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BigGameBaylorBear said:

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Mothra said:

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BigGameBaylorBear said:

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The old cliche saying, "history is written by the victors" is so evident when studying WW2. I encourage all history buffs to make an attempt to study 20th century history from a true neutral perspective, read from the axis side, the translated Hitler speeches are real interesting to listen to as well

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Big Hitler fan I see.

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I had a feeling you would respond, I should've threw a disclaimer in my post. Figured yall could have mature conversations without pointing fingers

---

Just giving you a hard time. I don't share your admiration of Hitler, of course, but am happy to have a discussion, as you're more reasonable (and intelligent) than the other Groypers on this website.

There's still hope for you.

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There is still hope for him to adopt my dying Boomer ideology that only white people - especially white German people - can be bad and that white people should not be proud of themselves at the risk of offending others, but should instead be as weak, pathetic, and cowardly as possible.

And if you say anything even approaching criticism of my sacred Boomer idol, Israel... I will rage at you with the intensity of a thousand suns... criticizing America and Europe is strongly encouraged however.

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Speaking of boomer ideology, your ideology died off with the Nazis, lol.

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Tell that to your son's football team.

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The good news is that most of the team disagreed with the handful of racist neo-Nazis. Most still adhere to common human decency and morality.

So "boomer" of them.

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I'm sure they'll be wearing balaclavas and burning down historical monuments in no time!

You'll be a proud Boomer!

Honestly, the fact that you would call teenagers "racist neo-nazis" for being edgy and counter-culture just proves what a ****** and POS you are....

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If a white, impotent racist neo-nazi POS dislikes me, that's a good thing.

So thanks.

Mothra said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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Mothra said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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Mothra said:

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BigGameBaylorBear said:

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Mothra said:

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BigGameBaylorBear said:

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The old cliche saying, "history is written by the victors" is so evident when studying WW2. I encourage all history buffs to make an attempt to study 20th century history from a true neutral perspective, read from the axis side, the translated Hitler speeches are real interesting to listen to as well

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Big Hitler fan I see.

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I had a feeling you would respond, I should've threw a disclaimer in my post. Figured yall could have mature conversations without pointing fingers

---

Just giving you a hard time. I don't share your admiration of Hitler, of course, but am happy to have a discussion, as you're more reasonable (and intelligent) than the other Groypers on this website.

There's still hope for you.

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There is still hope for him to adopt my dying Boomer ideology that only white people - especially white German people - can be bad and that white people should not be proud of themselves at the risk of offending others, but should instead be as weak, pathetic, and cowardly as possible.

And if you say anything even approaching criticism of my sacred Boomer idol, Israel... I will rage at you with the intensity of a thousand suns... criticizing America and Europe is strongly encouraged however.

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Speaking of boomer ideology, your ideology died off with the Nazis, lol.

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Tell that to your son's football team.

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The good news is that most of the team disagreed with the handful of racist neo-Nazis. Most still adhere to common human decency and morality.

So "boomer" of them.

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But there's no denying that the younger generation is more radical than their predecessors, and there's a reason why

I graduated while the job market was hot (thank God), but my friends younger than me can't find anything besides ****ty sales jobs. I've been saving for a home since I graduated but the market is out of control, and my metro is one of the cheaper ones in the country. I've lived in DFW and Philly, both are urban hell but there's little good work outside the metros.

The GOP has turned its back on the common man. They talked big game during the election cycle but have been utterly useless since getting in power. They seemingly have no care for the national debt and their only solution for the affordability crisis is a one time $1000 tariff refund

Conditions like these create radical views. It's happened all throughout history

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Mothra said:

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Mothra said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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Mothra said:

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If only Winston had pacified the Germans, conceding Polish territory, and allowed him to enslave/exterminate the Jews within Poland.

Yes, I am certain Hitler's bloodlust would have stopped there. And after all, it's only the lives of a few Jews. Maybe Hitler would have enslaved them instead of murdering them.

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I think you meant to say German territory that was taken after WW1

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No, I meant what I said. Germany took far more than the territory it lost in WW1. In addition to the whole of Poland, it took much of the rest of Eastern Europe.

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Lost me here.

Are you referring to the time period of 1939 through
1943…..prior to the massive Soviet counter offensive after Stalingrad ?

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Germany took Poland, the Baltic States (Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia), Ukraine, Belarus, and large swathes of European Russia in WW2. That of course doesn't include Western Europe.

Don't know the time frame off the top of my head.

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US interpretation of historical events in Europe are rarely clear cut.

Much of what Hitler occupied prior to his invasion of Poland in 1939 was ground lost at the end of WW1.

Even parts of Poland had belonged to Germany for generations.

Does this justify Hitler's slaughter of millions of Jews, Slavs, Catholics, gypsies, and other civilians….,of course not.

Hitler and Himmler were ruthless animals.

But so were Stalin and Mao.

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Respectfully, that's not a US interpretation, but historical fact. Germany invaded and occupied all of those countries in WW2. The only pre-WW2 territory that belonged to Germany out of that group was approximately 1/3 of Poland. So that was not Germany acquiring territory it lost, by and large.

Now, I grant you that Germany did lose 13% of its pre-WWI territory following WW1, which became parts of France, Belgium, Denmark and of course, Poland. But that doesn't affect what I said above.