Tucker's attempt to normalize Nick Fuentes

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Oldbear83
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So apparently, English is Sam's third of fourth language, but he is a bit less than conversational in fluency with it.


That at least would explain how he could completely miss what I wrote.
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Realitybites
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Mothra,

For the record if an ethnic Jew named Cohen who faithfully goes to Synagogue every week, is circumcised, does his best to uphold the Law of Moses but believes that Jesus was 100% mortal, a false prophet, a deceiver who did not rise from the dead dies...

...what happens to him?
Mothra
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Sam Lowry said:

We're not doing anything to support Putin. However, the US/UK have crushed at least two major democratic movements in Iran, once at the end of the monarchy and again after WW2. We're now talking about reviving the hated Pahlavi dynasty, with no regard for Iranians' wishes, naturally. Meanwhile your buddy Zelenski continues in office unelected, having outlawed his political opposition and assassinated hundreds of his enemies. These are only two of many examples, all with the direct support and participation of the West. Not to mention our policies of illegal invasion, extrajudicial killing, extraordinary rendition, torture, and assorted other crimes that you've celebrated over the years. You have no credibility whatsoever on this topic.

I didn't say "we" are doing anything to support Putin. I was referring to your love and support of the tiny despot, as you know of course.

If the best you can do is go back 50 plus years to make a moral equivalency argument on Iran, you're really grasping at straws. Undoubtedly, every country has a checkered past. But the idea that Iran's bad acts throughout the world to this day are somehow justified, or should be overlooked because of something that occurred in the 1940's or 1970's is absurd.

As for Zelensky, can you provide a link to the report on the "hundreds" of assassinations of his political opponents? Quite frankly, I am really surprised you have a problem with that, given this is something that Putin does with impunity. But of course, you also buy that his enemies die in Siberian prisons of "natural causes," and accidentally fall out of tall buildings.

As for credibility issues, you're projecting.

Mothra
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Realitybites said:

Mothra,

For the record if an ethnic Jew named Cohen who faithfully goes to Synagogue every week, is circumcised, does his best to uphold the Law of Moses but believes that Jesus was 100% mortal, a false prophet, a deceiver who did not rise from the dead dies...

...what happens to him?

He goes to hell, just as anyone who hasn't been redeemed by the blood of Christ.

We've been over this on other threads. Any Jew that rejects Christ will suffer the same fate as any non-Jew who rejected Christ. It's odd to me the anti-semites always buy into this strawman.
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Mothra said:

Realitybites said:

Mothra,

For the record if an ethnic Jew named Cohen who faithfully goes to Synagogue every week, is circumcised, does his best to uphold the Law of Moses but believes that Jesus was 100% mortal, a false prophet, a deceiver who did not rise from the dead dies...

...what happens to him?

He goes to hell, just as anyone who hasn't been redeemed by the blood of Christ.

We've been over this on other threads. Any Jew that rejects Christ will suffer the same fate as any non-Jew who rejected Christ. It's odd to me the anti-semites always buy into this strawman.


So if jews who practice judaism are all going to hell, why is anti-semitism wrong?

Wouldn't shaming jews into conversion and saving them from eternal damnation be the morally justified thing to do?
Realitybites
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Mothra said:

Realitybites said:

Mothra,

For the record if an ethnic Jew named Cohen who faithfully goes to Synagogue every week, is circumcised, does his best to uphold the Law of Moses but believes that Jesus was 100% mortal, a false prophet, a deceiver who did not rise from the dead dies...

...what happens to him?

He goes to hell, just as anyone who hasn't been redeemed by the blood of Christ.

We've been over this on other threads. Any Jew that rejects Christ will suffer the same fate as any non-Jew who rejected Christ. It's odd to me the anti-semites always buy into this strawman.

Glad you went on the record with that. Because there are Christian Zionists who won't.
Realitybites
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Anti-semitism is wrong because as Christians we don't believe in blood guilt and collective punishment.

But that's a label that certain individuals try to inappropriately apply to try turn opposition to religious teachings, aspects of foreign policy, or aspects of domestic policy into a charge of racism.
Oldbear83
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Realitybites said:

Anti-semitism is wrong because as Christians we don't believe in blood guilt and collective punishment.

But that's a label that certain individuals try to inappropriately apply to try turn opposition to religious teachings, aspects of foreign policy, or aspects of domestic policy into a charge of racism.

There are far more who use the fig leaves of 'opposition to religious teachings' and 'aspects of foreign policy' to make all manner of hateful attacks on people simply because their inner hatred demands it.

Not everyone who says 'Lord, Lord' serves Christ.
The_barBEARian
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Oldbear83 said:

Realitybites said:

Anti-semitism is wrong because as Christians we don't believe in blood guilt and collective punishment.

But that's a label that certain individuals try to inappropriately apply to try turn opposition to religious teachings, aspects of foreign policy, or aspects of domestic policy into a charge of racism.

There are far more who use the fig leaves of 'opposition to religious teachings' and 'aspects of foreign policy' to make all manner of hateful attacks on people simply because their inner hatred demands it.

Not everyone who says 'Lord, Lord' serves Christ.


Can you define what "inner hatred" is?

Is this some type of congenital disorder?

Do the folks afflicted have any autonomy over their "inner hatred" or is it inherit to their being?

From my life experience, people dont generally hate other people without reason. If you do harm to me or take advantage of my good will, I am probably going to hate you for that.
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What an utter embarrassment and disgrace that this charlatan is my Senator.

I keep hearing about Paxton's morals, when this delinquent has the impulse control of a child the decorum of a feral hog.

Ted Cruz makes John Cornyn palatable... and that's saying a lot!
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The_barBEARian said:



What an utter embarrassment and disgrace that this charlatan is my Senator.

I keep hearing about Paxton's morals, when this delinquent has the impulse control of a child the decorum of a feral hog.

Ted Cruz makes John Cornyn palatable... and that's saying a lot!


Cruz taking a ratio on this one
Sam Lowry
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Mothra said:

Sam Lowry said:

We're not doing anything to support Putin. However, the US/UK have crushed at least two major democratic movements in Iran, once at the end of the monarchy and again after WW2. We're now talking about reviving the hated Pahlavi dynasty, with no regard for Iranians' wishes, naturally. Meanwhile your buddy Zelenski continues in office unelected, having outlawed his political opposition and assassinated hundreds of his enemies. These are only two of many examples, all with the direct support and participation of the West. Not to mention our policies of illegal invasion, extrajudicial killing, extraordinary rendition, torture, and assorted other crimes that you've celebrated over the years. You have no credibility whatsoever on this topic.

I didn't say "we" are doing anything to support Putin. I was referring to your love and support of the tiny despot, as you know of course.

If the best you can do is go back 50 plus years to make a moral equivalency argument on Iran, you're really grasping at straws. Undoubtedly, every country has a checkered past. But the idea that Iran's bad acts throughout the world to this day are somehow justified, or should be overlooked because of something that occurred in the 1940's or 1970's is absurd.

As for Zelensky, can you provide a link to the report on the "hundreds" of assassinations of his political opponents? Quite frankly, I am really surprised you have a problem with that, given this is something that Putin does with impunity. But of course, you also buy that his enemies die in Siberian prisons of "natural causes," and accidentally fall out of tall buildings.

As for credibility issues, you're projecting.



Here you go: https://www.economist.com/europe/2023/09/05/inside-ukraines-assassination-programme

As for Iran, you don't even have to go back 50 days. The recent "protests" largely consisted of terror attacks by Western proxies like the MEK.
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The more troubling signal emerges when respondents were asked whether certain groups pose a threat to the "American way of life." On immigrants and Muslims, age differences were modest, with majorities in both cohorts expressing at least moderate concern. On Jews, however, the generational gap was pronounced. Forty-five percent of Republicans under 44 expressed elevated concern, compared with 23 percent among those 45 and older.

Even though Jews were still viewed as less threatening than other groups, the fact that nearly half of younger Republicans expressed this level of concern should not be dismissed lightly. It points to a growing susceptibility to narratives that frame Jews as a societal problem, even among voters who do not consider themselves antisemitic.
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The_barBEARian said:



What an utter embarrassment and disgrace that this charlatan is my Senator.

I keep hearing about Paxton's morals, when this delinquent has the impulse control of a child the decorum of a feral hog.

Ted Cruz makes John Cornyn palatable... and that's saying a lot!


Point of order.

Semites are the biological descendants of Abraham.

Disciples of Christ are the spiritual descendants of Abraham, and participants in the unconditional Abrahamic covenant.

Jews are practitioners of the religion known as Judaism, through the conditional Mosaic covenant. As Mothra has agreed, such people go to hell at the end of their lives if they remain unwilling to accept Christ. There were no "Jews" in Abraham's time, no Aaronic priests, none of it. He lived long before any of that existed on earth and met with Melchizedek to worship God.

Israel is a majority Jewish nation, Roughly 73% of its population claims to practice Judaism. Roughly 32% of its population is not semitic.

Precise terminology is important.
Mothra
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The_barBEARian said:

Mothra said:

Realitybites said:

Mothra,

For the record if an ethnic Jew named Cohen who faithfully goes to Synagogue every week, is circumcised, does his best to uphold the Law of Moses but believes that Jesus was 100% mortal, a false prophet, a deceiver who did not rise from the dead dies...

...what happens to him?

He goes to hell, just as anyone who hasn't been redeemed by the blood of Christ.

We've been over this on other threads. Any Jew that rejects Christ will suffer the same fate as any non-Jew who rejected Christ. It's odd to me the anti-semites always buy into this strawman.


So if jews who practice judaism are all going to hell, why is anti-semitism wrong?

Wouldn't shaming jews into conversion and saving them from eternal damnation be the morally justified thing to do?


Christ teaches us to love our neighbor. It is his second greatest command - as he said himself.

Disliking or discriminating against someone because of their race violates his second greatest command. We don't hate people because of their race or beliefs. We are called to a much higher standard than such base behavior.

That is of the devil and absolutely disgusting.
Mothra
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Sam Lowry said:

Mothra said:

Sam Lowry said:

We're not doing anything to support Putin. However, the US/UK have crushed at least two major democratic movements in Iran, once at the end of the monarchy and again after WW2. We're now talking about reviving the hated Pahlavi dynasty, with no regard for Iranians' wishes, naturally. Meanwhile your buddy Zelenski continues in office unelected, having outlawed his political opposition and assassinated hundreds of his enemies. These are only two of many examples, all with the direct support and participation of the West. Not to mention our policies of illegal invasion, extrajudicial killing, extraordinary rendition, torture, and assorted other crimes that you've celebrated over the years. You have no credibility whatsoever on this topic.

I didn't say "we" are doing anything to support Putin. I was referring to your love and support of the tiny despot, as you know of course.

If the best you can do is go back 50 plus years to make a moral equivalency argument on Iran, you're really grasping at straws. Undoubtedly, every country has a checkered past. But the idea that Iran's bad acts throughout the world to this day are somehow justified, or should be overlooked because of something that occurred in the 1940's or 1970's is absurd.

As for Zelensky, can you provide a link to the report on the "hundreds" of assassinations of his political opponents? Quite frankly, I am really surprised you have a problem with that, given this is something that Putin does with impunity. But of course, you also buy that his enemies die in Siberian prisons of "natural causes," and accidentally fall out of tall buildings.

As for credibility issues, you're projecting.



Here you go: https://www.economist.com/europe/2023/09/05/inside-ukraines-assassination-programme

As for Iran, you don't even have to go back 50 days. The recent "protests" largely consisted of terror attacks by Western proxies like the MEK.


Paywall.

Just to be clear, this article cites to an assassination program against political opponents or Russians in a time of war?
whiterock
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BigGameBaylorBear said:

whiterock said:

BigGameBaylorBear said:

whiterock said:

BigGameBaylorBear said:

whiterock said:

have you been asleep in a cave somewhere since 1980?


Are you Jewish?

no, but why would that matter? The issues are the issues. The interests are the interests. Religion really doesn't have much to do with it, except for the Middle East, where rabid anti-semitism occludes all reason. Even then, we find a way to work with both Arabs and Jews on common interests. Countries do typically work on common interests, regardless how other stuff lines up. That's how you find Israel partnering with the USA but allying with Azerbaijan against Armenia.....why is that? Because the Azeris hate the Iranians. The Iranians know this and ally with the Armenians. Ergo, Israel has more in common with a country full of muslims than country full of Christians. Religion is LESS important than national interest.

You Israel haters here sound exactly like all those 80-range IQ arabs I worked around overseas. One crude Jewish trope after another. That "running of the Jew" scene in Borat was the funniest part of the entire movie because it fairly accurately represents the caricaturish nature of Arab antisemitism (and yours).

Geopoltics is not hard to understand, but one does have to try.


That's your problem, you assume anyone who disagrees with you is uneducated or an anti-semite. Perhaps most Americans are tired of playing in the sandbox and want to focus on issues stateside. The sandbox is lost cause and Bibi's endless visits to the WH have made it clear why we are still involved over there…

I'm tired of playing in the sand box, too. That doesn't mean the sand box is irrelevant to us.

Remove Israel from the map. Tell us how that makes the world a better place. Tell us how that makes AQ go away. Tell us how that makes Iranian nuclear ballistic missiles go away. Tell us how it makes Turkey any less important to us (as a counter-balance to Russia). (and on and on and on....) The answer is, an Israel-free world makes none of those problems evaporate. Just harder to work on.

Anyone who think's Israel is responsible for all of our foreign policy missteps is profoundly uneducated. Latent anti-Semitism is the only plausible explanation for such lunacy.


Oh yeah, you're definitely Jewish… it's so obvious. The way you continuously drool over "Israel's brave sons and daughters", or how you call someone anti-semitic anytime this disagree with our foreign policy. That or I'm severely underestimating the meat-riding Zio-Christians do for their rulers

It is a fact that the Israeli Air Force last summer did the mission of destroying Iranian A2AD to gain complete Air Supremacy over Iran, thus allowing our bombers to make an unopposed bombing mission. So, yes, if you have even basic understanding of the subject material, you would plainly see that Israel bore the brunt of risk of that operation. and probably will do so this go-around as well.

Do you run into walls often?
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whiterock said:

BigGameBaylorBear said:

whiterock said:

BigGameBaylorBear said:

whiterock said:

BigGameBaylorBear said:

whiterock said:

have you been asleep in a cave somewhere since 1980?


Are you Jewish?

no, but why would that matter? The issues are the issues. The interests are the interests. Religion really doesn't have much to do with it, except for the Middle East, where rabid anti-semitism occludes all reason. Even then, we find a way to work with both Arabs and Jews on common interests. Countries do typically work on common interests, regardless how other stuff lines up. That's how you find Israel partnering with the USA but allying with Azerbaijan against Armenia.....why is that? Because the Azeris hate the Iranians. The Iranians know this and ally with the Armenians. Ergo, Israel has more in common with a country full of muslims than country full of Christians. Religion is LESS important than national interest.

You Israel haters here sound exactly like all those 80-range IQ arabs I worked around overseas. One crude Jewish trope after another. That "running of the Jew" scene in Borat was the funniest part of the entire movie because it fairly accurately represents the caricaturish nature of Arab antisemitism (and yours).

Geopoltics is not hard to understand, but one does have to try.


That's your problem, you assume anyone who disagrees with you is uneducated or an anti-semite. Perhaps most Americans are tired of playing in the sandbox and want to focus on issues stateside. The sandbox is lost cause and Bibi's endless visits to the WH have made it clear why we are still involved over there…

I'm tired of playing in the sand box, too. That doesn't mean the sand box is irrelevant to us.

Remove Israel from the map. Tell us how that makes the world a better place. Tell us how that makes AQ go away. Tell us how that makes Iranian nuclear ballistic missiles go away. Tell us how it makes Turkey any less important to us (as a counter-balance to Russia). (and on and on and on....) The answer is, an Israel-free world makes none of those problems evaporate. Just harder to work on.

Anyone who think's Israel is responsible for all of our foreign policy missteps is profoundly uneducated. Latent anti-Semitism is the only plausible explanation for such lunacy.


Oh yeah, you're definitely Jewish… it's so obvious. The way you continuously drool over "Israel's brave sons and daughters", or how you call someone anti-semitic anytime this disagree with our foreign policy. That or I'm severely underestimating the meat-riding Zio-Christians do for their rulers

It is a fact that the Israeli Air Force last summer did the mission of destroying Iranian A2AD to gain complete Air Supremacy over Iran, thus allowing our bombers to make an unopposed bombing mission. So, yes, if you have even basic understanding of the subject material, you would plainly see that Israel bore the brunt of risk of that operation. and probably will do so this go-around as well.

Do you run into walls often?


No. Do you kiss walls?
Sic 'em Bears and Go Birds
Sam Lowry
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Mothra said:

Sam Lowry said:

Mothra said:

Sam Lowry said:

We're not doing anything to support Putin. However, the US/UK have crushed at least two major democratic movements in Iran, once at the end of the monarchy and again after WW2. We're now talking about reviving the hated Pahlavi dynasty, with no regard for Iranians' wishes, naturally. Meanwhile your buddy Zelenski continues in office unelected, having outlawed his political opposition and assassinated hundreds of his enemies. These are only two of many examples, all with the direct support and participation of the West. Not to mention our policies of illegal invasion, extrajudicial killing, extraordinary rendition, torture, and assorted other crimes that you've celebrated over the years. You have no credibility whatsoever on this topic.

I didn't say "we" are doing anything to support Putin. I was referring to your love and support of the tiny despot, as you know of course.

If the best you can do is go back 50 plus years to make a moral equivalency argument on Iran, you're really grasping at straws. Undoubtedly, every country has a checkered past. But the idea that Iran's bad acts throughout the world to this day are somehow justified, or should be overlooked because of something that occurred in the 1940's or 1970's is absurd.

As for Zelensky, can you provide a link to the report on the "hundreds" of assassinations of his political opponents? Quite frankly, I am really surprised you have a problem with that, given this is something that Putin does with impunity. But of course, you also buy that his enemies die in Siberian prisons of "natural causes," and accidentally fall out of tall buildings.

As for credibility issues, you're projecting.



Here you go: https://www.economist.com/europe/2023/09/05/inside-ukraines-assassination-programme

As for Iran, you don't even have to go back 50 days. The recent "protests" largely consisted of terror attacks by Western proxies like the MEK.


Paywall.

Just to be clear, this article cites to an assassination program against political opponents or Russians in a time of war?

Against pro-Russian mayors and administrators, Ukrainian civilians accused of "propagandizing," and Russian civilian and military targets. Former members of the government have also accused Zelensky of assassinating potential opponents like Andriy Portnov and Andriy Parubiy.
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whiterock said:

BigGameBaylorBear said:

whiterock said:

BigGameBaylorBear said:

whiterock said:

BigGameBaylorBear said:

whiterock said:

have you been asleep in a cave somewhere since 1980?


Are you Jewish?

no, but why would that matter? The issues are the issues. The interests are the interests. Religion really doesn't have much to do with it, except for the Middle East, where rabid anti-semitism occludes all reason. Even then, we find a way to work with both Arabs and Jews on common interests. Countries do typically work on common interests, regardless how other stuff lines up. That's how you find Israel partnering with the USA but allying with Azerbaijan against Armenia.....why is that? Because the Azeris hate the Iranians. The Iranians know this and ally with the Armenians. Ergo, Israel has more in common with a country full of muslims than country full of Christians. Religion is LESS important than national interest.

You Israel haters here sound exactly like all those 80-range IQ arabs I worked around overseas. One crude Jewish trope after another. That "running of the Jew" scene in Borat was the funniest part of the entire movie because it fairly accurately represents the caricaturish nature of Arab antisemitism (and yours).

Geopoltics is not hard to understand, but one does have to try.


That's your problem, you assume anyone who disagrees with you is uneducated or an anti-semite. Perhaps most Americans are tired of playing in the sandbox and want to focus on issues stateside. The sandbox is lost cause and Bibi's endless visits to the WH have made it clear why we are still involved over there…

I'm tired of playing in the sand box, too. That doesn't mean the sand box is irrelevant to us.

Remove Israel from the map. Tell us how that makes the world a better place. Tell us how that makes AQ go away. Tell us how that makes Iranian nuclear ballistic missiles go away. Tell us how it makes Turkey any less important to us (as a counter-balance to Russia). (and on and on and on....) The answer is, an Israel-free world makes none of those problems evaporate. Just harder to work on.

Anyone who think's Israel is responsible for all of our foreign policy missteps is profoundly uneducated. Latent anti-Semitism is the only plausible explanation for such lunacy.


Oh yeah, you're definitely Jewish… it's so obvious. The way you continuously drool over "Israel's brave sons and daughters", or how you call someone anti-semitic anytime this disagree with our foreign policy. That or I'm severely underestimating the meat-riding Zio-Christians do for their rulers

It is a fact that the Israeli Air Force last summer did the mission of destroying Iranian A2AD to gain complete Air Supremacy over Iran, thus allowing our bombers to make an unopposed bombing mission. So, yes, if you have even basic understanding of the subject material, you would plainly see that Israel bore the brunt of risk of that operation. and probably will do so this go-around as well.

Do you run into walls often?

Had nothing to do with Israeli air supremacy. It was a symbolic strike with advance notice, to which Iran responded in like manner.
Mothra
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Sam Lowry said:

whiterock said:

BigGameBaylorBear said:

whiterock said:

BigGameBaylorBear said:

whiterock said:

BigGameBaylorBear said:

whiterock said:

have you been asleep in a cave somewhere since 1980?


Are you Jewish?

no, but why would that matter? The issues are the issues. The interests are the interests. Religion really doesn't have much to do with it, except for the Middle East, where rabid anti-semitism occludes all reason. Even then, we find a way to work with both Arabs and Jews on common interests. Countries do typically work on common interests, regardless how other stuff lines up. That's how you find Israel partnering with the USA but allying with Azerbaijan against Armenia.....why is that? Because the Azeris hate the Iranians. The Iranians know this and ally with the Armenians. Ergo, Israel has more in common with a country full of muslims than country full of Christians. Religion is LESS important than national interest.

You Israel haters here sound exactly like all those 80-range IQ arabs I worked around overseas. One crude Jewish trope after another. That "running of the Jew" scene in Borat was the funniest part of the entire movie because it fairly accurately represents the caricaturish nature of Arab antisemitism (and yours).

Geopoltics is not hard to understand, but one does have to try.


That's your problem, you assume anyone who disagrees with you is uneducated or an anti-semite. Perhaps most Americans are tired of playing in the sandbox and want to focus on issues stateside. The sandbox is lost cause and Bibi's endless visits to the WH have made it clear why we are still involved over there…

I'm tired of playing in the sand box, too. That doesn't mean the sand box is irrelevant to us.

Remove Israel from the map. Tell us how that makes the world a better place. Tell us how that makes AQ go away. Tell us how that makes Iranian nuclear ballistic missiles go away. Tell us how it makes Turkey any less important to us (as a counter-balance to Russia). (and on and on and on....) The answer is, an Israel-free world makes none of those problems evaporate. Just harder to work on.

Anyone who think's Israel is responsible for all of our foreign policy missteps is profoundly uneducated. Latent anti-Semitism is the only plausible explanation for such lunacy.


Oh yeah, you're definitely Jewish… it's so obvious. The way you continuously drool over "Israel's brave sons and daughters", or how you call someone anti-semitic anytime this disagree with our foreign policy. That or I'm severely underestimating the meat-riding Zio-Christians do for their rulers

It is a fact that the Israeli Air Force last summer did the mission of destroying Iranian A2AD to gain complete Air Supremacy over Iran, thus allowing our bombers to make an unopposed bombing mission. So, yes, if you have even basic understanding of the subject material, you would plainly see that Israel bore the brunt of risk of that operation. and probably will do so this go-around as well.

Do you run into walls often?

Had nothing to do with Israeli air supremacy. It was a symbolic strike with advance notice, to which Iran responded in like manner.


Oh so not political opponents, but pro Russians officials and Russians during a war with Russia. In other words, the exact same conduct that Russia has engaged in.

What I figured.
Sam Lowry
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Mothra said:

Sam Lowry said:

whiterock said:

BigGameBaylorBear said:

whiterock said:

BigGameBaylorBear said:

whiterock said:

BigGameBaylorBear said:

whiterock said:

have you been asleep in a cave somewhere since 1980?


Are you Jewish?

no, but why would that matter? The issues are the issues. The interests are the interests. Religion really doesn't have much to do with it, except for the Middle East, where rabid anti-semitism occludes all reason. Even then, we find a way to work with both Arabs and Jews on common interests. Countries do typically work on common interests, regardless how other stuff lines up. That's how you find Israel partnering with the USA but allying with Azerbaijan against Armenia.....why is that? Because the Azeris hate the Iranians. The Iranians know this and ally with the Armenians. Ergo, Israel has more in common with a country full of muslims than country full of Christians. Religion is LESS important than national interest.

You Israel haters here sound exactly like all those 80-range IQ arabs I worked around overseas. One crude Jewish trope after another. That "running of the Jew" scene in Borat was the funniest part of the entire movie because it fairly accurately represents the caricaturish nature of Arab antisemitism (and yours).

Geopoltics is not hard to understand, but one does have to try.


That's your problem, you assume anyone who disagrees with you is uneducated or an anti-semite. Perhaps most Americans are tired of playing in the sandbox and want to focus on issues stateside. The sandbox is lost cause and Bibi's endless visits to the WH have made it clear why we are still involved over there…

I'm tired of playing in the sand box, too. That doesn't mean the sand box is irrelevant to us.

Remove Israel from the map. Tell us how that makes the world a better place. Tell us how that makes AQ go away. Tell us how that makes Iranian nuclear ballistic missiles go away. Tell us how it makes Turkey any less important to us (as a counter-balance to Russia). (and on and on and on....) The answer is, an Israel-free world makes none of those problems evaporate. Just harder to work on.

Anyone who think's Israel is responsible for all of our foreign policy missteps is profoundly uneducated. Latent anti-Semitism is the only plausible explanation for such lunacy.


Oh yeah, you're definitely Jewish… it's so obvious. The way you continuously drool over "Israel's brave sons and daughters", or how you call someone anti-semitic anytime this disagree with our foreign policy. That or I'm severely underestimating the meat-riding Zio-Christians do for their rulers

It is a fact that the Israeli Air Force last summer did the mission of destroying Iranian A2AD to gain complete Air Supremacy over Iran, thus allowing our bombers to make an unopposed bombing mission. So, yes, if you have even basic understanding of the subject material, you would plainly see that Israel bore the brunt of risk of that operation. and probably will do so this go-around as well.

Do you run into walls often?

Had nothing to do with Israeli air supremacy. It was a symbolic strike with advance notice, to which Iran responded in like manner.


Oh so not political opponents, but pro Russians officials and Russians during a war with Russia. In other words, the exact same conduct that Russia has engaged in.

What I figured.

"Against pro-Russian mayors and administrators, Ukrainian civilians accused of 'propagandizing,' and Russian civilian and military targets. Former members of the government have also accused Zelensky of assassinating potential opponents like Andriy Portnov and Andriy Parubiy."

Hope that helps. Obviously Zelensky doesn't have hundreds of direct political rivals, but anyone who "betrays Ukraine" is considered fair game.

It's difficult to know the extent of such conduct by Russia since, unlike Ukraine, the Russians don't openly admit to it. But yes, we can agree that your favorite little dictator is probably at least as bad as Putin.

ETA: After rereading, I'll allow that "collaborating" might be a better choice of words than "propagandizing," however, I suspect it's a blurry line given Ukraine's practice of killing Russian public speakers and writers and its admission that targeting hasn't always been careful.
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Mothra said:

The_barBEARian said:

Mothra said:

Realitybites said:

Mothra,

For the record if an ethnic Jew named Cohen who faithfully goes to Synagogue every week, is circumcised, does his best to uphold the Law of Moses but believes that Jesus was 100% mortal, a false prophet, a deceiver who did not rise from the dead dies...

...what happens to him?

He goes to hell, just as anyone who hasn't been redeemed by the blood of Christ.

We've been over this on other threads. Any Jew that rejects Christ will suffer the same fate as any non-Jew who rejected Christ. It's odd to me the anti-semites always buy into this strawman.


So if jews who practice judaism are all going to hell, why is anti-semitism wrong?

Wouldn't shaming jews into conversion and saving them from eternal damnation be the morally justified thing to do?


Christ teaches us to love our neighbor. It is his second greatest command - as he said himself.

Disliking or discriminating against someone because of their race violates his second greatest command. We don't hate people because of their race or beliefs. We are called to a much higher standard than such base behavior.

That is of the devil and absolutely disgusting.


I'm trying to wrap my head around the convoluted logic of your cult... its like you threw parts of the Bible and Gen X 1970ties Sesame Street and blended them together.

Its worse to discriminate against someone than to say nothing and allow them to experience excruciating, unyielding torture for all of eternity?

Doesn't God literally wipe out entire groups solely based on their race in the old testament? What are they called again... the Amaleks?
Mothra
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The_barBEARian said:

Mothra said:

The_barBEARian said:

Mothra said:

Realitybites said:

Mothra,

For the record if an ethnic Jew named Cohen who faithfully goes to Synagogue every week, is circumcised, does his best to uphold the Law of Moses but believes that Jesus was 100% mortal, a false prophet, a deceiver who did not rise from the dead dies...

...what happens to him?

He goes to hell, just as anyone who hasn't been redeemed by the blood of Christ.

We've been over this on other threads. Any Jew that rejects Christ will suffer the same fate as any non-Jew who rejected Christ. It's odd to me the anti-semites always buy into this strawman.


So if jews who practice judaism are all going to hell, why is anti-semitism wrong?

Wouldn't shaming jews into conversion and saving them from eternal damnation be the morally justified thing to do?


Christ teaches us to love our neighbor. It is his second greatest command - as he said himself.

Disliking or discriminating against someone because of their race violates his second greatest command. We don't hate people because of their race or beliefs. We are called to a much higher standard than such base behavior.

That is of the devil and absolutely disgusting.


I'm trying to wrap my head around the convoluted logic of your cult... its like you threw parts of the Bible and Gen X 1970ties Sesame Street and blended them together.

Its worse to discriminate against someone than to say nothing and allow them to experience excruciating, unyielding torture for all of eternity?

Doesn't God literally wipe out entire groups solely based on their race in the old testament? What are they called again... the Amaleks?


Indeed I can understand why someone with as much hatred in their heart as you have would find Christ's second greatest command convoluted and difficult to grasp. Sin and bitterness have a way of taking of us when we let it - when we don't have Christ.

I pray you find him someday.
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Mothra said:

The_barBEARian said:

Mothra said:

The_barBEARian said:

Mothra said:

Realitybites said:

Mothra,

For the record if an ethnic Jew named Cohen who faithfully goes to Synagogue every week, is circumcised, does his best to uphold the Law of Moses but believes that Jesus was 100% mortal, a false prophet, a deceiver who did not rise from the dead dies...

...what happens to him?

He goes to hell, just as anyone who hasn't been redeemed by the blood of Christ.

We've been over this on other threads. Any Jew that rejects Christ will suffer the same fate as any non-Jew who rejected Christ. It's odd to me the anti-semites always buy into this strawman.


So if jews who practice judaism are all going to hell, why is anti-semitism wrong?

Wouldn't shaming jews into conversion and saving them from eternal damnation be the morally justified thing to do?


Christ teaches us to love our neighbor. It is his second greatest command - as he said himself.

Disliking or discriminating against someone because of their race violates his second greatest command. We don't hate people because of their race or beliefs. We are called to a much higher standard than such base behavior.

That is of the devil and absolutely disgusting.


I'm trying to wrap my head around the convoluted logic of your cult... its like you threw parts of the Bible and Gen X 1970ties Sesame Street and blended them together.

Its worse to discriminate against someone than to say nothing and allow them to experience excruciating, unyielding torture for all of eternity?

Doesn't God literally wipe out entire groups solely based on their race in the old testament? What are they called again... the Amaleks?


Indeed I can understand why someone with as much hatred in their heart as you have would find Christ's second greatest command convoluted and difficult to grasp. Sin and bitterness have a way of taking of us when we let it - when we don't have Christ.

I pray you find him someday.


Doesn't God literally wipe out entire groups solely based on their race in the old testament?
The_barBEARian
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It's frightening there are posters here who believe in this garbage:

whiterock
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BigGameBaylorBear said:

whiterock said:

BigGameBaylorBear said:

whiterock said:

BigGameBaylorBear said:

whiterock said:

BigGameBaylorBear said:

whiterock said:

have you been asleep in a cave somewhere since 1980?


Are you Jewish?

no, but why would that matter? The issues are the issues. The interests are the interests. Religion really doesn't have much to do with it, except for the Middle East, where rabid anti-semitism occludes all reason. Even then, we find a way to work with both Arabs and Jews on common interests. Countries do typically work on common interests, regardless how other stuff lines up. That's how you find Israel partnering with the USA but allying with Azerbaijan against Armenia.....why is that? Because the Azeris hate the Iranians. The Iranians know this and ally with the Armenians. Ergo, Israel has more in common with a country full of muslims than country full of Christians. Religion is LESS important than national interest.

You Israel haters here sound exactly like all those 80-range IQ arabs I worked around overseas. One crude Jewish trope after another. That "running of the Jew" scene in Borat was the funniest part of the entire movie because it fairly accurately represents the caricaturish nature of Arab antisemitism (and yours).

Geopoltics is not hard to understand, but one does have to try.


That's your problem, you assume anyone who disagrees with you is uneducated or an anti-semite. Perhaps most Americans are tired of playing in the sandbox and want to focus on issues stateside. The sandbox is lost cause and Bibi's endless visits to the WH have made it clear why we are still involved over there…

I'm tired of playing in the sand box, too. That doesn't mean the sand box is irrelevant to us.

Remove Israel from the map. Tell us how that makes the world a better place. Tell us how that makes AQ go away. Tell us how that makes Iranian nuclear ballistic missiles go away. Tell us how it makes Turkey any less important to us (as a counter-balance to Russia). (and on and on and on....) The answer is, an Israel-free world makes none of those problems evaporate. Just harder to work on.

Anyone who think's Israel is responsible for all of our foreign policy missteps is profoundly uneducated. Latent anti-Semitism is the only plausible explanation for such lunacy.


Oh yeah, you're definitely Jewish… it's so obvious. The way you continuously drool over "Israel's brave sons and daughters", or how you call someone anti-semitic anytime this disagree with our foreign policy. That or I'm severely underestimating the meat-riding Zio-Christians do for their rulers

It is a fact that the Israeli Air Force last summer did the mission of destroying Iranian A2AD to gain complete Air Supremacy over Iran, thus allowing our bombers to make an unopposed bombing mission. So, yes, if you have even basic understanding of the subject material, you would plainly see that Israel bore the brunt of risk of that operation. and probably will do so this go-around as well.

Do you run into walls often?


No. Do you kiss walls?

never been to Ireland. Would love to go.
whiterock
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Sam Lowry said:

whiterock said:

BigGameBaylorBear said:

whiterock said:

BigGameBaylorBear said:

whiterock said:

BigGameBaylorBear said:

whiterock said:

have you been asleep in a cave somewhere since 1980?


Are you Jewish?

no, but why would that matter? The issues are the issues. The interests are the interests. Religion really doesn't have much to do with it, except for the Middle East, where rabid anti-semitism occludes all reason. Even then, we find a way to work with both Arabs and Jews on common interests. Countries do typically work on common interests, regardless how other stuff lines up. That's how you find Israel partnering with the USA but allying with Azerbaijan against Armenia.....why is that? Because the Azeris hate the Iranians. The Iranians know this and ally with the Armenians. Ergo, Israel has more in common with a country full of muslims than country full of Christians. Religion is LESS important than national interest.

You Israel haters here sound exactly like all those 80-range IQ arabs I worked around overseas. One crude Jewish trope after another. That "running of the Jew" scene in Borat was the funniest part of the entire movie because it fairly accurately represents the caricaturish nature of Arab antisemitism (and yours).

Geopoltics is not hard to understand, but one does have to try.


That's your problem, you assume anyone who disagrees with you is uneducated or an anti-semite. Perhaps most Americans are tired of playing in the sandbox and want to focus on issues stateside. The sandbox is lost cause and Bibi's endless visits to the WH have made it clear why we are still involved over there…

I'm tired of playing in the sand box, too. That doesn't mean the sand box is irrelevant to us.

Remove Israel from the map. Tell us how that makes the world a better place. Tell us how that makes AQ go away. Tell us how that makes Iranian nuclear ballistic missiles go away. Tell us how it makes Turkey any less important to us (as a counter-balance to Russia). (and on and on and on....) The answer is, an Israel-free world makes none of those problems evaporate. Just harder to work on.

Anyone who think's Israel is responsible for all of our foreign policy missteps is profoundly uneducated. Latent anti-Semitism is the only plausible explanation for such lunacy.


Oh yeah, you're definitely Jewish… it's so obvious. The way you continuously drool over "Israel's brave sons and daughters", or how you call someone anti-semitic anytime this disagree with our foreign policy. That or I'm severely underestimating the meat-riding Zio-Christians do for their rulers

It is a fact that the Israeli Air Force last summer did the mission of destroying Iranian A2AD to gain complete Air Supremacy over Iran, thus allowing our bombers to make an unopposed bombing mission. So, yes, if you have even basic understanding of the subject material, you would plainly see that Israel bore the brunt of risk of that operation. and probably will do so this go-around as well.

Do you run into walls often?

Had nothing to do with Israeli air supremacy. It was a symbolic strike with advance notice, to which Iran responded in like manner.

It is indeed highly symbolic to totally disable air defense systems of an entire country. Here's what was taken out on the first day:

  • Armed Forces General Staff (AFGS) Chief Major General Mohammad Bagheri
  • Khatam ol Anbia Central Headquarters Commander Major General Gholam Ali Rashid
  • Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps (IRGC) Commander Major General Hossein Salami
  • IRGC Aerospace Force Commander Brigadier General Amir Ali Hajji Zadeh
  • Former Supreme National Security Council Secretary Rear Admiral Ali Shamkhani
  • Jahan Koudak Tower, Tehran Province[15]
  • Qasr-e Shirin, Kermanshah Province[16]
  • Unspecified IRGC base in Sardasht, West Azerbaijan Province[17]
  • Azgol neighborhood of Tehran[18]
  • Farmanieh neighborhood of Tehran[19]
  • Sobashi air defense radar, Hamedan Province[20]
  • Natanz Enrichment Complex Underground Area, Esfahan Province[21]
  • Piranshahr Military Base, West Azerbaijan Province[22]
  • Kermanshah Underground Facility, Kermanshah Province[23]
  • Air defense base, Tehran Province[24]
  • Tabriz Air Base, East Azerbaijan Province[25]
Over the ensuing 12 day air campaign, Israel gained complete air supremacy over Iranian nuclear sites as well as all ingress/egress routes to them, allowing our bombing mission to occur over uncontested air space. Iran was unable to respond effectively, the vast majority of their drones/missiles being shot down before entering Israeli airspace by the air forces of several Nato and Arab countries (who supported the Israeli operation).

However inconvenient it might be to your increasingly disconnected narrative, Israel was the tip of the spear to reduce a nuclear threat to the United States of America.

Some background material. If you desire to contribute positively to the conversation, please familiarize yourself with what actually happened.
https://time.com/7294919/israel-air-supremacy-tehran-iran/
https://taskandpurpose.com/news/iran-israel-air-defense-rising-lion/
https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/June_2025_Israeli_strikes_on_Iran

Mothra
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The_barBEARian said:

Mothra said:

The_barBEARian said:

Mothra said:

The_barBEARian said:

Mothra said:

Realitybites said:

Mothra,

For the record if an ethnic Jew named Cohen who faithfully goes to Synagogue every week, is circumcised, does his best to uphold the Law of Moses but believes that Jesus was 100% mortal, a false prophet, a deceiver who did not rise from the dead dies...

...what happens to him?

He goes to hell, just as anyone who hasn't been redeemed by the blood of Christ.

We've been over this on other threads. Any Jew that rejects Christ will suffer the same fate as any non-Jew who rejected Christ. It's odd to me the anti-semites always buy into this strawman.


So if jews who practice judaism are all going to hell, why is anti-semitism wrong?

Wouldn't shaming jews into conversion and saving them from eternal damnation be the morally justified thing to do?


Christ teaches us to love our neighbor. It is his second greatest command - as he said himself.

Disliking or discriminating against someone because of their race violates his second greatest command. We don't hate people because of their race or beliefs. We are called to a much higher standard than such base behavior.

That is of the devil and absolutely disgusting.


I'm trying to wrap my head around the convoluted logic of your cult... its like you threw parts of the Bible and Gen X 1970ties Sesame Street and blended them together.

Its worse to discriminate against someone than to say nothing and allow them to experience excruciating, unyielding torture for all of eternity?

Doesn't God literally wipe out entire groups solely based on their race in the old testament? What are they called again... the Amaleks?


Indeed I can understand why someone with as much hatred in their heart as you have would find Christ's second greatest command convoluted and difficult to grasp. Sin and bitterness have a way of taking of us when we let it - when we don't have Christ.

I pray you find him someday.


Doesn't God literally wipe out entire groups solely based on their race in the old testament?

God commanded the total destruction of the kingdom of the Amalekites as divine judgment for attacking Israel.

To the extent you believe that somehow justifies genocide and your racism, I'd strongly suggest a review of the Gospels, paying particular attention to the words of Christ.
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whiterock said:

BigGameBaylorBear said:

whiterock said:

BigGameBaylorBear said:

whiterock said:

BigGameBaylorBear said:

whiterock said:

BigGameBaylorBear said:

whiterock said:

have you been asleep in a cave somewhere since 1980?


Are you Jewish?

no, but why would that matter? The issues are the issues. The interests are the interests. Religion really doesn't have much to do with it, except for the Middle East, where rabid anti-semitism occludes all reason. Even then, we find a way to work with both Arabs and Jews on common interests. Countries do typically work on common interests, regardless how other stuff lines up. That's how you find Israel partnering with the USA but allying with Azerbaijan against Armenia.....why is that? Because the Azeris hate the Iranians. The Iranians know this and ally with the Armenians. Ergo, Israel has more in common with a country full of muslims than country full of Christians. Religion is LESS important than national interest.

You Israel haters here sound exactly like all those 80-range IQ arabs I worked around overseas. One crude Jewish trope after another. That "running of the Jew" scene in Borat was the funniest part of the entire movie because it fairly accurately represents the caricaturish nature of Arab antisemitism (and yours).

Geopoltics is not hard to understand, but one does have to try.


That's your problem, you assume anyone who disagrees with you is uneducated or an anti-semite. Perhaps most Americans are tired of playing in the sandbox and want to focus on issues stateside. The sandbox is lost cause and Bibi's endless visits to the WH have made it clear why we are still involved over there…

I'm tired of playing in the sand box, too. That doesn't mean the sand box is irrelevant to us.

Remove Israel from the map. Tell us how that makes the world a better place. Tell us how that makes AQ go away. Tell us how that makes Iranian nuclear ballistic missiles go away. Tell us how it makes Turkey any less important to us (as a counter-balance to Russia). (and on and on and on....) The answer is, an Israel-free world makes none of those problems evaporate. Just harder to work on.

Anyone who think's Israel is responsible for all of our foreign policy missteps is profoundly uneducated. Latent anti-Semitism is the only plausible explanation for such lunacy.


Oh yeah, you're definitely Jewish… it's so obvious. The way you continuously drool over "Israel's brave sons and daughters", or how you call someone anti-semitic anytime this disagree with our foreign policy. That or I'm severely underestimating the meat-riding Zio-Christians do for their rulers

It is a fact that the Israeli Air Force last summer did the mission of destroying Iranian A2AD to gain complete Air Supremacy over Iran, thus allowing our bombers to make an unopposed bombing mission. So, yes, if you have even basic understanding of the subject material, you would plainly see that Israel bore the brunt of risk of that operation. and probably will do so this go-around as well.

Do you run into walls often?


No. Do you kiss walls?

never been to Ireland. Would love to go.



Avoid Dublin as much as possible.
Definitely visit the west side of the island.

Go during the spring and summer.

As the winters are wet, cold and miserable.
Sam Lowry
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whiterock said:

Sam Lowry said:

whiterock said:

BigGameBaylorBear said:

whiterock said:

BigGameBaylorBear said:

whiterock said:

BigGameBaylorBear said:

whiterock said:

have you been asleep in a cave somewhere since 1980?


Are you Jewish?

no, but why would that matter? The issues are the issues. The interests are the interests. Religion really doesn't have much to do with it, except for the Middle East, where rabid anti-semitism occludes all reason. Even then, we find a way to work with both Arabs and Jews on common interests. Countries do typically work on common interests, regardless how other stuff lines up. That's how you find Israel partnering with the USA but allying with Azerbaijan against Armenia.....why is that? Because the Azeris hate the Iranians. The Iranians know this and ally with the Armenians. Ergo, Israel has more in common with a country full of muslims than country full of Christians. Religion is LESS important than national interest.

You Israel haters here sound exactly like all those 80-range IQ arabs I worked around overseas. One crude Jewish trope after another. That "running of the Jew" scene in Borat was the funniest part of the entire movie because it fairly accurately represents the caricaturish nature of Arab antisemitism (and yours).

Geopoltics is not hard to understand, but one does have to try.


That's your problem, you assume anyone who disagrees with you is uneducated or an anti-semite. Perhaps most Americans are tired of playing in the sandbox and want to focus on issues stateside. The sandbox is lost cause and Bibi's endless visits to the WH have made it clear why we are still involved over there…

I'm tired of playing in the sand box, too. That doesn't mean the sand box is irrelevant to us.

Remove Israel from the map. Tell us how that makes the world a better place. Tell us how that makes AQ go away. Tell us how that makes Iranian nuclear ballistic missiles go away. Tell us how it makes Turkey any less important to us (as a counter-balance to Russia). (and on and on and on....) The answer is, an Israel-free world makes none of those problems evaporate. Just harder to work on.

Anyone who think's Israel is responsible for all of our foreign policy missteps is profoundly uneducated. Latent anti-Semitism is the only plausible explanation for such lunacy.


Oh yeah, you're definitely Jewish… it's so obvious. The way you continuously drool over "Israel's brave sons and daughters", or how you call someone anti-semitic anytime this disagree with our foreign policy. That or I'm severely underestimating the meat-riding Zio-Christians do for their rulers

It is a fact that the Israeli Air Force last summer did the mission of destroying Iranian A2AD to gain complete Air Supremacy over Iran, thus allowing our bombers to make an unopposed bombing mission. So, yes, if you have even basic understanding of the subject material, you would plainly see that Israel bore the brunt of risk of that operation. and probably will do so this go-around as well.

Do you run into walls often?

Had nothing to do with Israeli air supremacy. It was a symbolic strike with advance notice, to which Iran responded in like manner.

It is indeed highly symbolic to totally disable air defense systems of an entire country. Here's what was taken out on the first day:

  • Armed Forces General Staff (AFGS) Chief Major General Mohammad Bagheri
  • Khatam ol Anbia Central Headquarters Commander Major General Gholam Ali Rashid
  • Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps (IRGC) Commander Major General Hossein Salami
  • IRGC Aerospace Force Commander Brigadier General Amir Ali Hajji Zadeh
  • Former Supreme National Security Council Secretary Rear Admiral Ali Shamkhani
  • Jahan Koudak Tower, Tehran Province[15]
  • Qasr-e Shirin, Kermanshah Province[16]
  • Unspecified IRGC base in Sardasht, West Azerbaijan Province[17]
  • Azgol neighborhood of Tehran[18]
  • Farmanieh neighborhood of Tehran[19]
  • Sobashi air defense radar, Hamedan Province[20]
  • Natanz Enrichment Complex Underground Area, Esfahan Province[21]
  • Piranshahr Military Base, West Azerbaijan Province[22]
  • Kermanshah Underground Facility, Kermanshah Province[23]
  • Air defense base, Tehran Province[24]
  • Tabriz Air Base, East Azerbaijan Province[25]
Over the ensuing 12 day air campaign, Israel gained complete air supremacy over Iranian nuclear sites as well as all ingress/egress routes to them, allowing our bombing mission to occur over uncontested air space. Iran was unable to respond effectively, the vast majority of their drones/missiles being shot down before entering Israeli airspace by the air forces of several Nato and Arab countries (who supported the Israeli operation).

However inconvenient it might be to your increasingly disconnected narrative, Israel was the tip of the spear to reduce a nuclear threat to the United States of America.

Some background material. If you desire to contribute positively to the conversation, please familiarize yourself with what actually happened.
https://time.com/7294919/israel-air-supremacy-tehran-iran/
https://taskandpurpose.com/news/iran-israel-air-defense-rising-lion/
https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/June_2025_Israeli_strikes_on_Iran



Your post and accompanying sources tend to confirm Iran's claim that it successfully reorganized its air defenses in about 48 hours. Almost every target on your list was struck within that time window. One of your articles mentions that Israel "will likely try to destroy the entire Iranian Navy and Iran's weapon storage facilities, military and civilian fuel storage sites, and national security buildings." No doubt that would have been true if air supremacy had been achieved. Of course the reality was nothing of the kind. After taking a severe beating from Iranian counterstrikes, it was Israel that asked for a ceasefire. Iran was given notice of the strikes on its nuclear facilities and allowed to remove its uranium stockpiles, with the understanding that the US didn't wish to further extend hostilities at that time.
whiterock
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Sam Lowry said:

whiterock said:

Sam Lowry said:

whiterock said:

BigGameBaylorBear said:

whiterock said:

BigGameBaylorBear said:

whiterock said:

BigGameBaylorBear said:

whiterock said:

have you been asleep in a cave somewhere since 1980?


Are you Jewish?

no, but why would that matter? The issues are the issues. The interests are the interests. Religion really doesn't have much to do with it, except for the Middle East, where rabid anti-semitism occludes all reason. Even then, we find a way to work with both Arabs and Jews on common interests. Countries do typically work on common interests, regardless how other stuff lines up. That's how you find Israel partnering with the USA but allying with Azerbaijan against Armenia.....why is that? Because the Azeris hate the Iranians. The Iranians know this and ally with the Armenians. Ergo, Israel has more in common with a country full of muslims than country full of Christians. Religion is LESS important than national interest.

You Israel haters here sound exactly like all those 80-range IQ arabs I worked around overseas. One crude Jewish trope after another. That "running of the Jew" scene in Borat was the funniest part of the entire movie because it fairly accurately represents the caricaturish nature of Arab antisemitism (and yours).

Geopoltics is not hard to understand, but one does have to try.


That's your problem, you assume anyone who disagrees with you is uneducated or an anti-semite. Perhaps most Americans are tired of playing in the sandbox and want to focus on issues stateside. The sandbox is lost cause and Bibi's endless visits to the WH have made it clear why we are still involved over there…

I'm tired of playing in the sand box, too. That doesn't mean the sand box is irrelevant to us.

Remove Israel from the map. Tell us how that makes the world a better place. Tell us how that makes AQ go away. Tell us how that makes Iranian nuclear ballistic missiles go away. Tell us how it makes Turkey any less important to us (as a counter-balance to Russia). (and on and on and on....) The answer is, an Israel-free world makes none of those problems evaporate. Just harder to work on.

Anyone who think's Israel is responsible for all of our foreign policy missteps is profoundly uneducated. Latent anti-Semitism is the only plausible explanation for such lunacy.


Oh yeah, you're definitely Jewish… it's so obvious. The way you continuously drool over "Israel's brave sons and daughters", or how you call someone anti-semitic anytime this disagree with our foreign policy. That or I'm severely underestimating the meat-riding Zio-Christians do for their rulers

It is a fact that the Israeli Air Force last summer did the mission of destroying Iranian A2AD to gain complete Air Supremacy over Iran, thus allowing our bombers to make an unopposed bombing mission. So, yes, if you have even basic understanding of the subject material, you would plainly see that Israel bore the brunt of risk of that operation. and probably will do so this go-around as well.

Do you run into walls often?

Had nothing to do with Israeli air supremacy. It was a symbolic strike with advance notice, to which Iran responded in like manner.

It is indeed highly symbolic to totally disable air defense systems of an entire country. Here's what was taken out on the first day:

  • Armed Forces General Staff (AFGS) Chief Major General Mohammad Bagheri
  • Khatam ol Anbia Central Headquarters Commander Major General Gholam Ali Rashid
  • Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps (IRGC) Commander Major General Hossein Salami
  • IRGC Aerospace Force Commander Brigadier General Amir Ali Hajji Zadeh
  • Former Supreme National Security Council Secretary Rear Admiral Ali Shamkhani
  • Jahan Koudak Tower, Tehran Province[15]
  • Qasr-e Shirin, Kermanshah Province[16]
  • Unspecified IRGC base in Sardasht, West Azerbaijan Province[17]
  • Azgol neighborhood of Tehran[18]
  • Farmanieh neighborhood of Tehran[19]
  • Sobashi air defense radar, Hamedan Province[20]
  • Natanz Enrichment Complex Underground Area, Esfahan Province[21]
  • Piranshahr Military Base, West Azerbaijan Province[22]
  • Kermanshah Underground Facility, Kermanshah Province[23]
  • Air defense base, Tehran Province[24]
  • Tabriz Air Base, East Azerbaijan Province[25]
Over the ensuing 12 day air campaign, Israel gained complete air supremacy over Iranian nuclear sites as well as all ingress/egress routes to them, allowing our bombing mission to occur over uncontested air space. Iran was unable to respond effectively, the vast majority of their drones/missiles being shot down before entering Israeli airspace by the air forces of several Nato and Arab countries (who supported the Israeli operation).

However inconvenient it might be to your increasingly disconnected narrative, Israel was the tip of the spear to reduce a nuclear threat to the United States of America.

Some background material. If you desire to contribute positively to the conversation, please familiarize yourself with what actually happened.
https://time.com/7294919/israel-air-supremacy-tehran-iran/
https://taskandpurpose.com/news/iran-israel-air-defense-rising-lion/
https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/June_2025_Israeli_strikes_on_Iran



Your post and accompanying sources tend to confirm Iran's claim that it successfully reorganized its air defenses in about 48 hours. Almost every target on your list was struck within that time window. One of your articles mentions that Israel "will likely try to destroy the entire Iranian Navy and Iran's weapon storage facilities, military and civilian fuel storage sites, and national security buildings." No doubt that would have been true if air supremacy had been achieved. Of course the reality was nothing of the kind. After taking a severe beating from Iranian counterstrikes, it was Israel that asked for a ceasefire. Iran was given notice of the strikes on its nuclear facilities and allowed to remove its uranium stockpiles, with the understanding that the US didn't wish to further extend hostilities at that time.

LOL - Iran was utterly unable to defend its airspace on 22 June 2025, because the Israeli Air Force gained complete air supremacy during the previous 11 day air campaign, thereby facilitating the US destruction of key nuclear sites.


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Do our resident anti-semites now hate hockey as well?

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whiterock said:

Do our resident anti-semites now hate hockey as well?




What does Jack Hughes have to do with the US invading Iran?
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