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have you been asleep in a cave somewhere since 1980?

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Are you Jewish?

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no, but why would that matter? The issues are the issues. The interests are the interests. Religion really doesn't have much to do with it, except for the Middle East, where rabid anti-semitism occludes all reason. Even then, we find a way to work with both Arabs and Jews on common interests. Countries do typically work on common interests, regardless how other stuff lines up. That's how you find Israel partnering with the USA but allying with Azerbaijan against Armenia.....why is that? Because the Azeris hate the Iranians. The Iranians know this and ally with the Armenians. Ergo, Israel has more in common with a country full of muslims than country full of Christians. Religion is LESS important than national interest.

You Israel haters here sound exactly like all those 80-range IQ arabs I worked around overseas. One crude Jewish trope after another. That "running of the Jew" scene in Borat was the funniest part of the entire movie because it fairly accurately represents the caricaturish nature of Arab antisemitism (and yours).

Geopoltics is not hard to understand, but one does have to try.

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That's your problem, you assume anyone who disagrees with you is uneducated or an anti-semite. Perhaps most Americans are tired of playing in the sandbox and want to focus on issues stateside. The sandbox is lost cause and Bibi's endless visits to the WH have made it clear why we are still involved over there…

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I'm tired of playing in the sand box, too. That doesn't mean the sand box is irrelevant to us.

Remove Israel from the map. Tell us how that makes the world a better place. Tell us how that makes AQ go away. Tell us how that makes Iranian nuclear ballistic missiles go away. Tell us how it makes Turkey any less important to us (as a counter-balance to Russia). (and on and on and on....) The answer is, an Israel-free world makes none of those problems evaporate. Just harder to work on.

Anyone who think's Israel is responsible for all of our foreign policy missteps is profoundly uneducated. Latent anti-Semitism is the only plausible explanation for such lunacy.

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Oh yeah, you're definitely Jewish… it's so obvious. The way you continuously drool over "Israel's brave sons and daughters", or how you call someone anti-semitic anytime this disagree with our foreign policy. That or I'm severely underestimating the meat-riding Zio-Christians do for their rulers

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It is a fact that the Israeli Air Force last summer did the mission of destroying Iranian A2AD to gain complete Air Supremacy over Iran, thus allowing our bombers to make an unopposed bombing mission. So, yes, if you have even basic understanding of the subject material, you would plainly see that Israel bore the brunt of risk of that operation. and probably will do so this go-around as well.

Do you run into walls often?

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Had nothing to do with Israeli air supremacy. It was a symbolic strike with advance notice, to which Iran responded in like manner.

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It is indeed highly symbolic to totally disable air defense systems of an entire country. Here's what was taken out on the first day:

• Armed Forces General Staff (AFGS) Chief Major General Mohammad Bagheri
• Khatam ol Anbia Central Headquarters Commander Major General Gholam Ali Rashid
• Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps (IRGC) Commander Major General Hossein Salami
• IRGC Aerospace Force Commander Brigadier General Amir Ali Hajji Zadeh
• Former Supreme National Security Council Secretary Rear Admiral Ali Shamkhani

• Jahan Koudak Tower, Tehran Province[15]
• Qasr-e Shirin, Kermanshah Province[16]
• Unspecified IRGC base in Sardasht, West Azerbaijan Province[17]
• Azgol neighborhood of Tehran[18]
• Farmanieh neighborhood of Tehran[19]
• Sobashi air defense radar, Hamedan Province[20]
• Natanz Enrichment Complex Underground Area, Esfahan Province[21]
• Piranshahr Military Base, West Azerbaijan Province[22]
• Kermanshah Underground Facility, Kermanshah Province[23]
• Air defense base, Tehran Province[24]
• Tabriz Air Base, East Azerbaijan Province[25]

Over the ensuing 12 day air campaign, Israel gained complete air supremacy over Iranian nuclear sites as well as all ingress/egress routes to them, allowing our bombing mission to occur over uncontested air space. Iran was unable to respond effectively, the vast majority of their drones/missiles being shot down before entering Israeli airspace by the air forces of several Nato and Arab countries (who supported the Israeli operation).

However inconvenient it might be to your increasingly disconnected narrative, Israel was the tip of the spear to reduce a nuclear threat to the United States of America.

Some background material. If you desire to contribute positively to the conversation, please familiarize yourself with what actually happened.
https://time.com/7294919/israel-air-supremacy-tehran-iran/
https://taskandpurpose.com/news/iran-israel-air-defense-rising-lion/
https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/June_2025_Israeli_strikes_on_Iran

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Your post and accompanying sources tend to confirm Iran's claim that it successfully reorganized its air defenses in about 48 hours. Almost every target on your list was struck within that time window. One of your articles mentions that Israel "will likely try to destroy the entire Iranian Navy and Iran's weapon storage facilities, military and civilian fuel storage sites, and national security buildings." No doubt that would have been true if air supremacy had been achieved. Of course the reality was nothing of the kind. After taking a severe beating from Iranian counterstrikes, it was Israel that asked for a ceasefire. Iran was given notice of the strikes on its nuclear facilities and allowed to remove its uranium stockpiles, with the understanding that the US didn't wish to further extend hostilities at that time.

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LOL - Iran was utterly unable to defend its airspace on 22 June 2025, because the Israeli Air Force gained complete air supremacy during the previous 11 day air campaign, thereby facilitating the US destruction of key nuclear sites.

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Mothra,

For the record if an ethnic Jew named Cohen who faithfully goes to Synagogue every week, is circumcised, does his best to uphold the Law of Moses but believes that Jesus was 100% mortal, a false prophet, a deceiver who did not rise from the dead dies...

...what happens to him?

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He goes to hell, just as anyone who hasn't been redeemed by the blood of Christ.

We've been over this on other threads. Any Jew that rejects Christ will suffer the same fate as any non-Jew who rejected Christ. It's odd to me the anti-semites always buy into this strawman.

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So if jews who practice judaism are all going to hell, why is anti-semitism wrong?

Wouldn't shaming jews into conversion and saving them from eternal damnation be the morally justified thing to do?

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Christ teaches us to love our neighbor. It is his second greatest command - as he said himself.

Disliking or discriminating against someone because of their race violates his second greatest command. We don't hate people because of their race or beliefs. We are called to a much higher standard than such base behavior.

That is of the devil and absolutely disgusting.

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I'm trying to wrap my head around the convoluted logic of your cult... its like you threw parts of the Bible and Gen X 1970ties Sesame Street and blended them together.

Its worse to discriminate against someone than to say nothing and allow them to experience excruciating, unyielding torture for all of eternity?

Doesn't God literally wipe out entire groups solely based on their race in the old testament? What are they called again... the Amaleks?

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Indeed I can understand why someone with as much hatred in their heart as you have would find Christ's second greatest command convoluted and difficult to grasp. Sin and bitterness have a way of taking of us when we let it - when we don't have Christ.

I pray you find him someday.

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Doesn't God literally wipe out entire groups solely based on their race in the old testament?

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God commanded the total destruction of the kingdom of the Amalekites as divine judgment for attacking Israel.

To the extent you believe that somehow justifies genocide and your racism, I'd strongly suggest a review of the Gospels, paying particular attention to the words of Christ.

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Mothra said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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Mothra said:

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Mothra,

For the record if an ethnic Jew named Cohen who faithfully goes to Synagogue every week, is circumcised, does his best to uphold the Law of Moses but believes that Jesus was 100% mortal, a false prophet, a deceiver who did not rise from the dead dies...

...what happens to him?

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He goes to hell, just as anyone who hasn't been redeemed by the blood of Christ.

We've been over this on other threads. Any Jew that rejects Christ will suffer the same fate as any non-Jew who rejected Christ. It's odd to me the anti-semites always buy into this strawman.

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So if jews who practice judaism are all going to hell, why is anti-semitism wrong?

Wouldn't shaming jews into conversion and saving them from eternal damnation be the morally justified thing to do?

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Christ teaches us to love our neighbor. It is his second greatest command - as he said himself.

Disliking or discriminating against someone because of their race violates his second greatest command. We don't hate people because of their race or beliefs. We are called to a much higher standard than such base behavior.

That is of the devil and absolutely disgusting.

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I'm trying to wrap my head around the convoluted logic of your cult... its like you threw parts of the Bible and Gen X 1970ties Sesame Street and blended them together.

Its worse to discriminate against someone than to say nothing and allow them to experience excruciating, unyielding torture for all of eternity?

Doesn't God literally wipe out entire groups solely based on their race in the old testament? What are they called again... the Amaleks?

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Indeed I can understand why someone with as much hatred in their heart as you have would find Christ's second greatest command convoluted and difficult to grasp. Sin and bitterness have a way of taking of us when we let it - when we don't have Christ.

I pray you find him someday.

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Doesn't God literally wipe out entire groups solely based on their race in the old testament?

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God commanded the total destruction of the kingdom of the Amalekites as divine judgment for attacking Israel.

To the extent you believe that somehow justifies genocide and your racism, I'd strongly suggest a review of the Gospels, paying particular attention to the words of Christ.

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What would you suggest to "God's Chosen" who actually believe this Old Testament crap... but wipe their ass with the New Testament?

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Mothra said:

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Mothra said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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Mothra said:

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Mothra said:

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Mothra said:

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Realitybites said:

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Mothra,

For the record if an ethnic Jew named Cohen who faithfully goes to Synagogue every week, is circumcised, does his best to uphold the Law of Moses but believes that Jesus was 100% mortal, a false prophet, a deceiver who did not rise from the dead dies...

...what happens to him?

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He goes to hell, just as anyone who hasn't been redeemed by the blood of Christ.

We've been over this on other threads. Any Jew that rejects Christ will suffer the same fate as any non-Jew who rejected Christ. It's odd to me the anti-semites always buy into this strawman.

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So if jews who practice judaism are all going to hell, why is anti-semitism wrong?

Wouldn't shaming jews into conversion and saving them from eternal damnation be the morally justified thing to do?

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Christ teaches us to love our neighbor. It is his second greatest command - as he said himself.

Disliking or discriminating against someone because of their race violates his second greatest command. We don't hate people because of their race or beliefs. We are called to a much higher standard than such base behavior.

That is of the devil and absolutely disgusting.

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I'm trying to wrap my head around the convoluted logic of your cult... its like you threw parts of the Bible and Gen X 1970ties Sesame Street and blended them together.

Its worse to discriminate against someone than to say nothing and allow them to experience excruciating, unyielding torture for all of eternity?

Doesn't God literally wipe out entire groups solely based on their race in the old testament? What are they called again... the Amaleks?

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Indeed I can understand why someone with as much hatred in their heart as you have would find Christ's second greatest command convoluted and difficult to grasp. Sin and bitterness have a way of taking of us when we let it - when we don't have Christ.

I pray you find him someday.

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Doesn't God literally wipe out entire groups solely based on their race in the old testament?

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God commanded the total destruction of the kingdom of the Amalekites as divine judgment for attacking Israel.

To the extent you believe that somehow justifies genocide and your racism, I'd strongly suggest a review of the Gospels, paying particular attention to the words of Christ.

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What would you suggest to "God's Chosen" who actually believe this Old Testament crap... but wipe their ass with the New Testament?

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What would I suggest? Not sure I understand your question.

Lots of different religious groups hold views that demean Christianity. Hell, the Islamic religion is responsible for more deaths of Christians in the last several hundred years than all other religions combined. The most persecuted area of the world today is in an area of India where Hindus regularly attack Christians. The Buddhists and Shintos in Japan tortured and murdered thousands of Christians.

In short, a lot of religions don't believe or respect the NT. But as long as we can peacefully co-exist, I am not sure what you would suggest. Do you believe the proper Christian response is to wipe them out? If that's the case, we are not only going to have to ignore Christ's second greatest command, but we are also going to have to slaughter much of the Muslim, Hindu and Buddhist world, I guess.

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The_barBEARian said:

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Mothra said:

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Mothra said:

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Mothra said:

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Mothra said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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Mothra said:

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Realitybites said:

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Mothra,

For the record if an ethnic Jew named Cohen who faithfully goes to Synagogue every week, is circumcised, does his best to uphold the Law of Moses but believes that Jesus was 100% mortal, a false prophet, a deceiver who did not rise from the dead dies...

...what happens to him?

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He goes to hell, just as anyone who hasn't been redeemed by the blood of Christ.

We've been over this on other threads. Any Jew that rejects Christ will suffer the same fate as any non-Jew who rejected Christ. It's odd to me the anti-semites always buy into this strawman.

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So if jews who practice judaism are all going to hell, why is anti-semitism wrong?

Wouldn't shaming jews into conversion and saving them from eternal damnation be the morally justified thing to do?

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Christ teaches us to love our neighbor. It is his second greatest command - as he said himself.

Disliking or discriminating against someone because of their race violates his second greatest command. We don't hate people because of their race or beliefs. We are called to a much higher standard than such base behavior.

That is of the devil and absolutely disgusting.

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I'm trying to wrap my head around the convoluted logic of your cult... its like you threw parts of the Bible and Gen X 1970ties Sesame Street and blended them together.

Its worse to discriminate against someone than to say nothing and allow them to experience excruciating, unyielding torture for all of eternity?

Doesn't God literally wipe out entire groups solely based on their race in the old testament? What are they called again... the Amaleks?

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Indeed I can understand why someone with as much hatred in their heart as you have would find Christ's second greatest command convoluted and difficult to grasp. Sin and bitterness have a way of taking of us when we let it - when we don't have Christ.

I pray you find him someday.

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Doesn't God literally wipe out entire groups solely based on their race in the old testament?

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God commanded the total destruction of the kingdom of the Amalekites as divine judgment for attacking Israel.

To the extent you believe that somehow justifies genocide and your racism, I'd strongly suggest a review of the Gospels, paying particular attention to the words of Christ.

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What would you suggest to "God's Chosen" who actually believe this Old Testament crap... but wipe their ass with the New Testament?

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What would I suggest? Not sure I understand your question.

Lots of different religious groups hold views that demean Christianity. Hell, the Islamic religion is responsible for more deaths of Christians in the last several hundred years than all other religions combined. The most persecuted area of the world today is in an area of India where Hindus regularly attack Christians. The Buddhists and Shintos in Japan tortured and murdered thousands of Christians.

In short, a lot of religions don't believe or respect the NT. But as long as we can peacefully co-exist, I am not sure what you would suggest. Do you believe the proper Christian response is to wipe them out? If that's the case, we are not only going to have to ignore Christ's second greatest command, but we are also going to have to slaughter much of the Muslim, Hindu and Buddhist world, I guess.

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Allow me to re-phrase:

Netanyahu is using "Amalek" as his justification for wiping out non-Jews all over the middle east.

What appeal to humanity can you make to him and his Jewish supporters from the old testament because an appeal to the new testament would be ineffective considering their general disdain for Jesus Christ

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Mothra said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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Mothra said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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Mothra said:

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Mothra said:

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Mothra said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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Mothra said:

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Realitybites said:

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Mothra,

For the record if an ethnic Jew named Cohen who faithfully goes to Synagogue every week, is circumcised, does his best to uphold the Law of Moses but believes that Jesus was 100% mortal, a false prophet, a deceiver who did not rise from the dead dies...

...what happens to him?

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He goes to hell, just as anyone who hasn't been redeemed by the blood of Christ.

We've been over this on other threads. Any Jew that rejects Christ will suffer the same fate as any non-Jew who rejected Christ. It's odd to me the anti-semites always buy into this strawman.

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So if jews who practice judaism are all going to hell, why is anti-semitism wrong?

Wouldn't shaming jews into conversion and saving them from eternal damnation be the morally justified thing to do?

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Christ teaches us to love our neighbor. It is his second greatest command - as he said himself.

Disliking or discriminating against someone because of their race violates his second greatest command. We don't hate people because of their race or beliefs. We are called to a much higher standard than such base behavior.

That is of the devil and absolutely disgusting.

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I'm trying to wrap my head around the convoluted logic of your cult... its like you threw parts of the Bible and Gen X 1970ties Sesame Street and blended them together.

Its worse to discriminate against someone than to say nothing and allow them to experience excruciating, unyielding torture for all of eternity?

Doesn't God literally wipe out entire groups solely based on their race in the old testament? What are they called again... the Amaleks?

---

Indeed I can understand why someone with as much hatred in their heart as you have would find Christ's second greatest command convoluted and difficult to grasp. Sin and bitterness have a way of taking of us when we let it - when we don't have Christ.

I pray you find him someday.

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Doesn't God literally wipe out entire groups solely based on their race in the old testament?

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God commanded the total destruction of the kingdom of the Amalekites as divine judgment for attacking Israel.

To the extent you believe that somehow justifies genocide and your racism, I'd strongly suggest a review of the Gospels, paying particular attention to the words of Christ.

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What would you suggest to "God's Chosen" who actually believe this Old Testament crap... but wipe their ass with the New Testament?

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What would I suggest? Not sure I understand your question.

Lots of different religious groups hold views that demean Christianity. Hell, the Islamic religion is responsible for more deaths of Christians in the last several hundred years than all other religions combined. The most persecuted area of the world today is in an area of India where Hindus regularly attack Christians. The Buddhists and Shintos in Japan tortured and murdered thousands of Christians.

In short, a lot of religions don't believe or respect the NT. But as long as we can peacefully co-exist, I am not sure what you would suggest. Do you believe the proper Christian response is to wipe them out? If that's the case, we are not only going to have to ignore Christ's second greatest command, but we are also going to have to slaughter much of the Muslim, Hindu and Buddhist world, I guess.

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Allow me to re-phrase:

Netanyahu is using "Amalek" as his justification for wiping out non-Jews all over the middle east.

What appeal to humanity can you make to him and his Jewish supporters from the old testament because an appeal to the new testament would be ineffective considering their general disdain for Jesus Christ

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Well, if Netanyahu said the Israelis can (or should) wipe out all non-Jews in the ME, I would be surprised. Where did he say that? Do you have a link?

If your hypothetical is true, I'd refer Netanyahu to Leviticus 19:18.

What would you suggest is the proper response to your allegation? Wiping out Israel?

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The_barBEARian said:

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Mothra said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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Mothra said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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Mothra said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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Mothra said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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Mothra said:

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Mothra said:

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Realitybites said:

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Mothra,

For the record if an ethnic Jew named Cohen who faithfully goes to Synagogue every week, is circumcised, does his best to uphold the Law of Moses but believes that Jesus was 100% mortal, a false prophet, a deceiver who did not rise from the dead dies...

...what happens to him?

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He goes to hell, just as anyone who hasn't been redeemed by the blood of Christ.

We've been over this on other threads. Any Jew that rejects Christ will suffer the same fate as any non-Jew who rejected Christ. It's odd to me the anti-semites always buy into this strawman.

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So if jews who practice judaism are all going to hell, why is anti-semitism wrong?

Wouldn't shaming jews into conversion and saving them from eternal damnation be the morally justified thing to do?

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Christ teaches us to love our neighbor. It is his second greatest command - as he said himself.

Disliking or discriminating against someone because of their race violates his second greatest command. We don't hate people because of their race or beliefs. We are called to a much higher standard than such base behavior.

That is of the devil and absolutely disgusting.

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I'm trying to wrap my head around the convoluted logic of your cult... its like you threw parts of the Bible and Gen X 1970ties Sesame Street and blended them together.

Its worse to discriminate against someone than to say nothing and allow them to experience excruciating, unyielding torture for all of eternity?

Doesn't God literally wipe out entire groups solely based on their race in the old testament? What are they called again... the Amaleks?

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Indeed I can understand why someone with as much hatred in their heart as you have would find Christ's second greatest command convoluted and difficult to grasp. Sin and bitterness have a way of taking of us when we let it - when we don't have Christ.

I pray you find him someday.

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Doesn't God literally wipe out entire groups solely based on their race in the old testament?

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God commanded the total destruction of the kingdom of the Amalekites as divine judgment for attacking Israel.

To the extent you believe that somehow justifies genocide and your racism, I'd strongly suggest a review of the Gospels, paying particular attention to the words of Christ.

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What would you suggest to "God's Chosen" who actually believe this Old Testament crap... but wipe their ass with the New Testament?

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What would I suggest? Not sure I understand your question.

Lots of different religious groups hold views that demean Christianity. Hell, the Islamic religion is responsible for more deaths of Christians in the last several hundred years than all other religions combined. The most persecuted area of the world today is in an area of India where Hindus regularly attack Christians. The Buddhists and Shintos in Japan tortured and murdered thousands of Christians.

In short, a lot of religions don't believe or respect the NT. But as long as we can peacefully co-exist, I am not sure what you would suggest. Do you believe the proper Christian response is to wipe them out? If that's the case, we are not only going to have to ignore Christ's second greatest command, but we are also going to have to slaughter much of the Muslim, Hindu and Buddhist world, I guess.

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Allow me to re-phrase:

Netanyahu is using "Amalek" as his justification for wiping out non-Jews all over the middle east.

What appeal to humanity can you make to him and his Jewish supporters from the old testament because an appeal to the new testament would be ineffective considering their general disdain for Jesus Christ

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Well, if Netanyahu said the Israelis can (or should) wipe out all non-Jews in the ME, I would be surprised. Where did he say that? Do you have a link?

If your hypothetical is true, I'd refer Netanyahu to Leviticus 19:18.

What would you suggest is the proper response to your allegation? Wiping out Israel?

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18 "'Do not seek revenge or bear a grudge against anyone among your people, but love your neighbor as yourself. I am the Lord"

I dont think this would work considering they dont view the folks they are killing as "their people".

I suggest cutting off all aid and having them go it alone without US support.

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https://babylonbee.com/news/tucker-uncovers-shocking-evidence-that-israel-controlled-by-jews

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Mothra said:

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Lots of different religious groups hold views that demean Christianity. Hell, the Islamic religion is responsible for more deaths of Christians in the last several hundred years than all other religions combined. The most persecuted area of the world today is in an area of India where Hindus regularly attack Christians. The Buddhists and Shintos in Japan tortured and murdered thousands of Christians.

In short, a lot of religions don't believe or respect the NT. But as long as we can peacefully co-exist, I am not sure what you would suggest.

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Lots of different religious groups hold views that demean Christianity. Hell, the Islamic religion is responsible for more deaths of Christians in the last several hundred years than all other religions combined. The most persecuted area of the world today is in an area of India where Hindus regularly attack Christians. The Buddhists and Shintos in Japan tortured and murdered thousands of Christians.

In short, a lot of religions don't believe or respect the NT. But as long as we can peacefully co-exist, I am not sure what you would suggest.

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You realize that the only reason we can peacefully co-exist is because we outnumber them, right? It's not because of some inherent moral restraint in the teachings of Judaism, Hinduism, or Islam. When we cease to outnumber them we get "and they cast him out of the city and stoned him" (Acts 7:58) and "Meanwhile, Saul was still breathing out murderous threats against the Lord's disciples" (Acts 9:1). That's the default state of Judaism when it comes to the Lord's disciples.

I think that Christianity could possibly peacefully co-exist with Sikhism on a philosophical level, but that's a theory that hasn't been tested yet.

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Lots of different religious groups hold views that demean Christianity. Hell, the Islamic religion is responsible for more deaths of Christians in the last several hundred years than all other religions combined. The most persecuted area of the world today is in an area of India where Hindus regularly attack Christians. The Buddhists and Shintos in Japan tortured and murdered thousands of Christians.

In short, a lot of religions don't believe or respect the NT. But as long as we can peacefully co-exist, I am not sure what you would suggest.

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You realize that the only reason we can peacefully co-exist is because we outnumber them, right? It's not because of some inherent moral restraint in the teachings of Judaism, Hinduism, or Islam. When we cease to outnumber them we get "and they cast him out of the city and stoned him" (Acts 7:58) and "Meanwhile, Saul was still breathing out murderous threats against the Lord's disciples" (Acts 9:1). That's the default state of Judaism when it comes to the Lord's disciples.

I think that Christianity could possibly peacefully co-exist with Sikhism on a philosophical level, but that's a theory that hasn't been tested yet.

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So, your position is that if Jews outnumbered Christians, they would slaughter Christianity?

Gotta say, that is a take. Wholly unsupported, but a take nonetheless.

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Mothra said:

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Mothra said:

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Lots of different religious groups hold views that demean Christianity. Hell, the Islamic religion is responsible for more deaths of Christians in the last several hundred years than all other religions combined. The most persecuted area of the world today is in an area of India where Hindus regularly attack Christians. The Buddhists and Shintos in Japan tortured and murdered thousands of Christians.

In short, a lot of religions don't believe or respect the NT. But as long as we can peacefully co-exist, I am not sure what you would suggest.

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You realize that the only reason we can peacefully co-exist is because we outnumber them, right? It's not because of some inherent moral restraint in the teachings of Judaism, Hinduism, or Islam. When we cease to outnumber them we get "and they cast him out of the city and stoned him" (Acts 7:58) and "Meanwhile, Saul was still breathing out murderous threats against the Lord's disciples" (Acts 9:1). That's the default state of Judaism when it comes to the Lord's disciples.

I think that Christianity could possibly peacefully co-exist with Sikhism on a philosophical level, but that's a theory that hasn't been tested yet.

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So, your position is that if Jews outnumbered Christians, they would slaughter Christianity?

Gotta say, that is a take. Wholly unsupported, but a take nonetheless.

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Realitybites said:

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Mothra said:

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Realitybites said:

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Mothra said:

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Lots of different religious groups hold views that demean Christianity. Hell, the Islamic religion is responsible for more deaths of Christians in the last several hundred years than all other religions combined. The most persecuted area of the world today is in an area of India where Hindus regularly attack Christians. The Buddhists and Shintos in Japan tortured and murdered thousands of Christians.

In short, a lot of religions don't believe or respect the NT. But as long as we can peacefully co-exist, I am not sure what you would suggest.

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You realize that the only reason we can peacefully co-exist is because we outnumber them, right? It's not because of some inherent moral restraint in the teachings of Judaism, Hinduism, or Islam. When we cease to outnumber them we get "and they cast him out of the city and stoned him" (Acts 7:58) and "Meanwhile, Saul was still breathing out murderous threats against the Lord's disciples" (Acts 9:1). That's the default state of Judaism when it comes to the Lord's disciples.

I think that Christianity could possibly peacefully co-exist with Sikhism on a philosophical level, but that's a theory that hasn't been tested yet.

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So, your position is that if Jews outnumbered Christians, they would slaughter Christianity?

Gotta say, that is a take. Wholly unsupported, but a take nonetheless.

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Given that this is a historical reality as recorded in the Book of Acts, your refusal to believe that is interesting though unsurprising.

Of course they would, and not just 2,000 years ago.

Patriarch Jacob's Well & St. Philoumenos

Jews view Jesus in the same light that Christians view Mohammed.

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Oldbear83 said:

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No, I'd say most Jews view Christians the way most Christians view Mormons.

We also have the early church for evidence. The Christians were banished from Jewish synagogues and communities, but were generally not hunted down and killed except in extreme cases as we saw with Saul who became Paul.

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Oldbear83 said:

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No, I'd say most Jews view Christians the way most Christians view Mormons.

We also have the early church for evidence. The Christians were banished from Jewish synagogues and communities, but were generally not hunted down and killed except in extreme cases as we saw with Saul who became Paul.

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Sam Lowry said:

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whiterock said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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whiterock said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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whiterock said:

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BigGameBaylorBear said:

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whiterock said:

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BigGameBaylorBear said:

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whiterock said:

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BigGameBaylorBear said:

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whiterock said:

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have you been asleep in a cave somewhere since 1980?

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Are you Jewish?

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no, but why would that matter? The issues are the issues. The interests are the interests. Religion really doesn't have much to do with it, except for the Middle East, where rabid anti-semitism occludes all reason. Even then, we find a way to work with both Arabs and Jews on common interests. Countries do typically work on common interests, regardless how other stuff lines up. That's how you find Israel partnering with the USA but allying with Azerbaijan against Armenia.....why is that? Because the Azeris hate the Iranians. The Iranians know this and ally with the Armenians. Ergo, Israel has more in common with a country full of muslims than country full of Christians. Religion is LESS important than national interest.

You Israel haters here sound exactly like all those 80-range IQ arabs I worked around overseas. One crude Jewish trope after another. That "running of the Jew" scene in Borat was the funniest part of the entire movie because it fairly accurately represents the caricaturish nature of Arab antisemitism (and yours).

Geopoltics is not hard to understand, but one does have to try.

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That's your problem, you assume anyone who disagrees with you is uneducated or an anti-semite. Perhaps most Americans are tired of playing in the sandbox and want to focus on issues stateside. The sandbox is lost cause and Bibi's endless visits to the WH have made it clear why we are still involved over there…

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I'm tired of playing in the sand box, too. That doesn't mean the sand box is irrelevant to us.

Remove Israel from the map. Tell us how that makes the world a better place. Tell us how that makes AQ go away. Tell us how that makes Iranian nuclear ballistic missiles go away. Tell us how it makes Turkey any less important to us (as a counter-balance to Russia). (and on and on and on....) The answer is, an Israel-free world makes none of those problems evaporate. Just harder to work on.

Anyone who think's Israel is responsible for all of our foreign policy missteps is profoundly uneducated. Latent anti-Semitism is the only plausible explanation for such lunacy.

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Oh yeah, you're definitely Jewish… it's so obvious. The way you continuously drool over "Israel's brave sons and daughters", or how you call someone anti-semitic anytime this disagree with our foreign policy. That or I'm severely underestimating the meat-riding Zio-Christians do for their rulers

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It is a fact that the Israeli Air Force last summer did the mission of destroying Iranian A2AD to gain complete Air Supremacy over Iran, thus allowing our bombers to make an unopposed bombing mission. So, yes, if you have even basic understanding of the subject material, you would plainly see that Israel bore the brunt of risk of that operation. and probably will do so this go-around as well.

Do you run into walls often?

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Had nothing to do with Israeli air supremacy. It was a symbolic strike with advance notice, to which Iran responded in like manner.

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It is indeed highly symbolic to totally disable air defense systems of an entire country. Here's what was taken out on the first day:

• Armed Forces General Staff (AFGS) Chief Major General Mohammad Bagheri
• Khatam ol Anbia Central Headquarters Commander Major General Gholam Ali Rashid
• Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps (IRGC) Commander Major General Hossein Salami
• IRGC Aerospace Force Commander Brigadier General Amir Ali Hajji Zadeh
• Former Supreme National Security Council Secretary Rear Admiral Ali Shamkhani

• Jahan Koudak Tower, Tehran Province[15]
• Qasr-e Shirin, Kermanshah Province[16]
• Unspecified IRGC base in Sardasht, West Azerbaijan Province[17]
• Azgol neighborhood of Tehran[18]
• Farmanieh neighborhood of Tehran[19]
• Sobashi air defense radar, Hamedan Province[20]
• Natanz Enrichment Complex Underground Area, Esfahan Province[21]
• Piranshahr Military Base, West Azerbaijan Province[22]
• Kermanshah Underground Facility, Kermanshah Province[23]
• Air defense base, Tehran Province[24]
• Tabriz Air Base, East Azerbaijan Province[25]

Over the ensuing 12 day air campaign, Israel gained complete air supremacy over Iranian nuclear sites as well as all ingress/egress routes to them, allowing our bombing mission to occur over uncontested air space. Iran was unable to respond effectively, the vast majority of their drones/missiles being shot down before entering Israeli airspace by the air forces of several Nato and Arab countries (who supported the Israeli operation).

However inconvenient it might be to your increasingly disconnected narrative, Israel was the tip of the spear to reduce a nuclear threat to the United States of America.

Some background material. If you desire to contribute positively to the conversation, please familiarize yourself with what actually happened.
https://time.com/7294919/israel-air-supremacy-tehran-iran/
https://taskandpurpose.com/news/iran-israel-air-defense-rising-lion/
https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/June_2025_Israeli_strikes_on_Iran

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Your post and accompanying sources tend to confirm Iran's claim that it successfully reorganized its air defenses in about 48 hours. Almost every target on your list was struck within that time window. One of your articles mentions that Israel "will likely try to destroy the entire Iranian Navy and Iran's weapon storage facilities, military and civilian fuel storage sites, and national security buildings." No doubt that would have been true if air supremacy had been achieved. Of course the reality was nothing of the kind. After taking a severe beating from Iranian counterstrikes, it was Israel that asked for a ceasefire. Iran was given notice of the strikes on its nuclear facilities and allowed to remove its uranium stockpiles, with the understanding that the US didn't wish to further extend hostilities at that time.

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LOL - Iran was utterly unable to defend its airspace on 22 June 2025, because the Israeli Air Force gained complete air supremacy during the previous 11 day air campaign, thereby facilitating the US destruction of key nuclear sites.

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I heard you. I just don't believe you.

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BigGameBaylorBear said:

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whiterock said:

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Do our resident anti-semites now hate hockey as well?

Following Jewish hockey player Jack Hughes scoring the winning goal to win Olympic gold for Team USA...

ADD ONE MORE TO THE LIST
✔️Jews Control the Banks
✔️Jews Control the Media
✔️Jews Control the Governments
✔️Jews Control the World

NOW... Jews control Hockey. pic.twitter.com/QDwNpSGspc

— Mossad Commentary (@MOSSADil) February 22, 2026

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What does Jack Hughes have to do with the US invading Iran?

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whiterock said:

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BigGameBaylorBear said:

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whiterock said:

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Do our resident anti-semites now hate hockey as well?

Following Jewish hockey player Jack Hughes scoring the winning goal to win Olympic gold for Team USA...

ADD ONE MORE TO THE LIST
✔️Jews Control the Banks
✔️Jews Control the Media
✔️Jews Control the Governments
✔️Jews Control the World

NOW... Jews control Hockey. pic.twitter.com/QDwNpSGspc

— Mossad Commentary (@MOSSADil) February 22, 2026

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What does Jack Hughes have to do with the US invading Iran?

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The joke is that a Jew hit the winning goal in OT to take the gold medal, so now all the Israel-haters here have to expand their anti-semitic conspiracy theories to include the sport of Hockey.

Hughes might be Jewish, but he's not invading Iran. In fact, precisely nobody is invading Iran. Not the US hockey team, not the US military, not Israel.

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BigGameBaylorBear said:

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whiterock said:

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BigGameBaylorBear said:

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whiterock said:

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Do our resident anti-semites now hate hockey as well?

Following Jewish hockey player Jack Hughes scoring the winning goal to win Olympic gold for Team USA...

ADD ONE MORE TO THE LIST
✔️Jews Control the Banks
✔️Jews Control the Media
✔️Jews Control the Governments
✔️Jews Control the World

NOW... Jews control Hockey. pic.twitter.com/QDwNpSGspc

— Mossad Commentary (@MOSSADil) February 22, 2026

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What does Jack Hughes have to do with the US invading Iran?

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The joke is that a Jew hit the winning goal in OT to take the gold medal, so now all the Israel-haters here have to expand their anti-semitic conspiracy theories to include the sport of Hockey.

Hughes might be Jewish, but he's not invading Iran. In fact, precisely nobody is invading Iran. Not the US hockey team, not the US military, not Israel.

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I understood the joke. Though I think many of the pro-Israel crowd on this board equate not supporting Israel with hating all Jews

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whiterock said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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whiterock said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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whiterock said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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whiterock said:

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BigGameBaylorBear said:

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whiterock said:

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BigGameBaylorBear said:

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whiterock said:

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BigGameBaylorBear said:

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whiterock said:

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have you been asleep in a cave somewhere since 1980?

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Are you Jewish?

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no, but why would that matter? The issues are the issues. The interests are the interests. Religion really doesn't have much to do with it, except for the Middle East, where rabid anti-semitism occludes all reason. Even then, we find a way to work with both Arabs and Jews on common interests. Countries do typically work on common interests, regardless how other stuff lines up. That's how you find Israel partnering with the USA but allying with Azerbaijan against Armenia.....why is that? Because the Azeris hate the Iranians. The Iranians know this and ally with the Armenians. Ergo, Israel has more in common with a country full of muslims than country full of Christians. Religion is LESS important than national interest.

You Israel haters here sound exactly like all those 80-range IQ arabs I worked around overseas. One crude Jewish trope after another. That "running of the Jew" scene in Borat was the funniest part of the entire movie because it fairly accurately represents the caricaturish nature of Arab antisemitism (and yours).

Geopoltics is not hard to understand, but one does have to try.

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That's your problem, you assume anyone who disagrees with you is uneducated or an anti-semite. Perhaps most Americans are tired of playing in the sandbox and want to focus on issues stateside. The sandbox is lost cause and Bibi's endless visits to the WH have made it clear why we are still involved over there…

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I'm tired of playing in the sand box, too. That doesn't mean the sand box is irrelevant to us.

Remove Israel from the map. Tell us how that makes the world a better place. Tell us how that makes AQ go away. Tell us how that makes Iranian nuclear ballistic missiles go away. Tell us how it makes Turkey any less important to us (as a counter-balance to Russia). (and on and on and on....) The answer is, an Israel-free world makes none of those problems evaporate. Just harder to work on.

Anyone who think's Israel is responsible for all of our foreign policy missteps is profoundly uneducated. Latent anti-Semitism is the only plausible explanation for such lunacy.

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Oh yeah, you're definitely Jewish… it's so obvious. The way you continuously drool over "Israel's brave sons and daughters", or how you call someone anti-semitic anytime this disagree with our foreign policy. That or I'm severely underestimating the meat-riding Zio-Christians do for their rulers

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It is a fact that the Israeli Air Force last summer did the mission of destroying Iranian A2AD to gain complete Air Supremacy over Iran, thus allowing our bombers to make an unopposed bombing mission. So, yes, if you have even basic understanding of the subject material, you would plainly see that Israel bore the brunt of risk of that operation. and probably will do so this go-around as well.

Do you run into walls often?

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Had nothing to do with Israeli air supremacy. It was a symbolic strike with advance notice, to which Iran responded in like manner.

---

It is indeed highly symbolic to totally disable air defense systems of an entire country. Here's what was taken out on the first day:

• Armed Forces General Staff (AFGS) Chief Major General Mohammad Bagheri
• Khatam ol Anbia Central Headquarters Commander Major General Gholam Ali Rashid
• Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps (IRGC) Commander Major General Hossein Salami
• IRGC Aerospace Force Commander Brigadier General Amir Ali Hajji Zadeh
• Former Supreme National Security Council Secretary Rear Admiral Ali Shamkhani

• Jahan Koudak Tower, Tehran Province[15]
• Qasr-e Shirin, Kermanshah Province[16]
• Unspecified IRGC base in Sardasht, West Azerbaijan Province[17]
• Azgol neighborhood of Tehran[18]
• Farmanieh neighborhood of Tehran[19]
• Sobashi air defense radar, Hamedan Province[20]
• Natanz Enrichment Complex Underground Area, Esfahan Province[21]
• Piranshahr Military Base, West Azerbaijan Province[22]
• Kermanshah Underground Facility, Kermanshah Province[23]
• Air defense base, Tehran Province[24]
• Tabriz Air Base, East Azerbaijan Province[25]

Over the ensuing 12 day air campaign, Israel gained complete air supremacy over Iranian nuclear sites as well as all ingress/egress routes to them, allowing our bombing mission to occur over uncontested air space. Iran was unable to respond effectively, the vast majority of their drones/missiles being shot down before entering Israeli airspace by the air forces of several Nato and Arab countries (who supported the Israeli operation).

However inconvenient it might be to your increasingly disconnected narrative, Israel was the tip of the spear to reduce a nuclear threat to the United States of America.

Some background material. If you desire to contribute positively to the conversation, please familiarize yourself with what actually happened.
https://time.com/7294919/israel-air-supremacy-tehran-iran/
https://taskandpurpose.com/news/iran-israel-air-defense-rising-lion/
https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/June_2025_Israeli_strikes_on_Iran

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Your post and accompanying sources tend to confirm Iran's claim that it successfully reorganized its air defenses in about 48 hours. Almost every target on your list was struck within that time window. One of your articles mentions that Israel "will likely try to destroy the entire Iranian Navy and Iran's weapon storage facilities, military and civilian fuel storage sites, and national security buildings." No doubt that would have been true if air supremacy had been achieved. Of course the reality was nothing of the kind. After taking a severe beating from Iranian counterstrikes, it was Israel that asked for a ceasefire. Iran was given notice of the strikes on its nuclear facilities and allowed to remove its uranium stockpiles, with the understanding that the US didn't wish to further extend hostilities at that time.

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LOL - Iran was utterly unable to defend its airspace on 22 June 2025, because the Israeli Air Force gained complete air supremacy during the previous 11 day air campaign, thereby facilitating the US destruction of key nuclear sites.

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I heard you. I just don't believe you.

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well, that's what you do...ignore plain facts that are inconvenient to your contrived narratives.

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Realitybites said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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No, I'd say most Jews view Christians the way most Christians view Mormons.

We also have the early church for evidence. The Christians were banished from Jewish synagogues and communities, but were generally not hunted down and killed except in extreme cases as we saw with Saul who became Paul.

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"Paul's own testimony in 2 Corinthians 11:24 confirms the severity of Jewish persecution: "Five times I received from the Jews the forty lashes minus one." His conversion did not end the hostility, he was forced to flee Damascus and later faced stoning in Lystra. The Jewish leadership in Jerusalem also executed James the Just, the brother of Jesus, around 62 CE, under the high priest Ananus ben Ananus. He was hurled off the Temple parapet for proclaiming Jesus and Christ and beaten to death on the ground with a fuller's club."

It was after this that the early church began to relocate to Pella in Jordan, abandoning Jerusalem before it was sacked and destroyed by the Romans in 70 A.D. This is also the historical root of preterist eschatology; I know we have one who used to post here.

"While Roman authorities later became prominent persecutors especially under Nero in 64 AD early persecution was primarily Jewish-led, driven by theological conflict and rejection of Jesus as the Messiah."

This history is also supported by Josephus' writings in The Antiquities of the Jews.

This is not how Christians treat Mormons.

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Sam Lowry said:

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whiterock said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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whiterock said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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whiterock said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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whiterock said:

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BigGameBaylorBear said:

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whiterock said:

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BigGameBaylorBear said:

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whiterock said:

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BigGameBaylorBear said:

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whiterock said:

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have you been asleep in a cave somewhere since 1980?

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Are you Jewish?

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no, but why would that matter? The issues are the issues. The interests are the interests. Religion really doesn't have much to do with it, except for the Middle East, where rabid anti-semitism occludes all reason. Even then, we find a way to work with both Arabs and Jews on common interests. Countries do typically work on common interests, regardless how other stuff lines up. That's how you find Israel partnering with the USA but allying with Azerbaijan against Armenia.....why is that? Because the Azeris hate the Iranians. The Iranians know this and ally with the Armenians. Ergo, Israel has more in common with a country full of muslims than country full of Christians. Religion is LESS important than national interest.

You Israel haters here sound exactly like all those 80-range IQ arabs I worked around overseas. One crude Jewish trope after another. That "running of the Jew" scene in Borat was the funniest part of the entire movie because it fairly accurately represents the caricaturish nature of Arab antisemitism (and yours).

Geopoltics is not hard to understand, but one does have to try.

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That's your problem, you assume anyone who disagrees with you is uneducated or an anti-semite. Perhaps most Americans are tired of playing in the sandbox and want to focus on issues stateside. The sandbox is lost cause and Bibi's endless visits to the WH have made it clear why we are still involved over there…

---

I'm tired of playing in the sand box, too. That doesn't mean the sand box is irrelevant to us.

Remove Israel from the map. Tell us how that makes the world a better place. Tell us how that makes AQ go away. Tell us how that makes Iranian nuclear ballistic missiles go away. Tell us how it makes Turkey any less important to us (as a counter-balance to Russia). (and on and on and on....) The answer is, an Israel-free world makes none of those problems evaporate. Just harder to work on.

Anyone who think's Israel is responsible for all of our foreign policy missteps is profoundly uneducated. Latent anti-Semitism is the only plausible explanation for such lunacy.

---

Oh yeah, you're definitely Jewish… it's so obvious. The way you continuously drool over "Israel's brave sons and daughters", or how you call someone anti-semitic anytime this disagree with our foreign policy. That or I'm severely underestimating the meat-riding Zio-Christians do for their rulers

---

It is a fact that the Israeli Air Force last summer did the mission of destroying Iranian A2AD to gain complete Air Supremacy over Iran, thus allowing our bombers to make an unopposed bombing mission. So, yes, if you have even basic understanding of the subject material, you would plainly see that Israel bore the brunt of risk of that operation. and probably will do so this go-around as well.

Do you run into walls often?

---

Had nothing to do with Israeli air supremacy. It was a symbolic strike with advance notice, to which Iran responded in like manner.

---

It is indeed highly symbolic to totally disable air defense systems of an entire country. Here's what was taken out on the first day:

• Armed Forces General Staff (AFGS) Chief Major General Mohammad Bagheri
• Khatam ol Anbia Central Headquarters Commander Major General Gholam Ali Rashid
• Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps (IRGC) Commander Major General Hossein Salami
• IRGC Aerospace Force Commander Brigadier General Amir Ali Hajji Zadeh
• Former Supreme National Security Council Secretary Rear Admiral Ali Shamkhani

• Jahan Koudak Tower, Tehran Province[15]
• Qasr-e Shirin, Kermanshah Province[16]
• Unspecified IRGC base in Sardasht, West Azerbaijan Province[17]
• Azgol neighborhood of Tehran[18]
• Farmanieh neighborhood of Tehran[19]
• Sobashi air defense radar, Hamedan Province[20]
• Natanz Enrichment Complex Underground Area, Esfahan Province[21]
• Piranshahr Military Base, West Azerbaijan Province[22]
• Kermanshah Underground Facility, Kermanshah Province[23]
• Air defense base, Tehran Province[24]
• Tabriz Air Base, East Azerbaijan Province[25]

Over the ensuing 12 day air campaign, Israel gained complete air supremacy over Iranian nuclear sites as well as all ingress/egress routes to them, allowing our bombing mission to occur over uncontested air space. Iran was unable to respond effectively, the vast majority of their drones/missiles being shot down before entering Israeli airspace by the air forces of several Nato and Arab countries (who supported the Israeli operation).

However inconvenient it might be to your increasingly disconnected narrative, Israel was the tip of the spear to reduce a nuclear threat to the United States of America.

Some background material. If you desire to contribute positively to the conversation, please familiarize yourself with what actually happened.
https://time.com/7294919/israel-air-supremacy-tehran-iran/
https://taskandpurpose.com/news/iran-israel-air-defense-rising-lion/
https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/June_2025_Israeli_strikes_on_Iran

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Your post and accompanying sources tend to confirm Iran's claim that it successfully reorganized its air defenses in about 48 hours. Almost every target on your list was struck within that time window. One of your articles mentions that Israel "will likely try to destroy the entire Iranian Navy and Iran's weapon storage facilities, military and civilian fuel storage sites, and national security buildings." No doubt that would have been true if air supremacy had been achieved. Of course the reality was nothing of the kind. After taking a severe beating from Iranian counterstrikes, it was Israel that asked for a ceasefire. Iran was given notice of the strikes on its nuclear facilities and allowed to remove its uranium stockpiles, with the understanding that the US didn't wish to further extend hostilities at that time.

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LOL - Iran was utterly unable to defend its airspace on 22 June 2025, because the Israeli Air Force gained complete air supremacy during the previous 11 day air campaign, thereby facilitating the US destruction of key nuclear sites.

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I heard you. I just don't believe you.

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well, that's what you do...ignore plain facts that are inconvenient to your contrived narratives.

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Here's the inconvenient question that you're ignoring. If the US and Israel had complete air supremacy, why didn't we take advantage of it?

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Realitybites said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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No, I'd say most Jews view Christians the way most Christians view Mormons.

We also have the early church for evidence. The Christians were banished from Jewish synagogues and communities, but were generally not hunted down and killed except in extreme cases as we saw with Saul who became Paul.

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"Paul's own testimony in 2 Corinthians 11:24 confirms the severity of Jewish persecution: "Five times I received from the Jews the forty lashes minus one." His conversion did not end the hostility, he was forced to flee Damascus and later faced stoning in Lystra. The Jewish leadership in Jerusalem also executed James the Just, the brother of Jesus, around 62 CE, under the high priest Ananus ben Ananus. He was hurled off the Temple parapet for proclaiming Jesus and Christ and beaten to death on the ground with a fuller's club."

It was after this that the early church began to relocate to Pella in Jordan, abandoning Jerusalem before it was sacked and destroyed by the Romans in 70 A.D. This is also the historical root of preterist eschatology; I know we have one who used to post here.

"While Roman authorities later became prominent persecutors especially under Nero in 64 AD early persecution was primarily Jewish-led, driven by theological conflict and rejection of Jesus as the Messiah."

This history is also supported by Josephus' writings in The Antiquities of the Jews.

This is not how Christians treat Mormons.

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Mothra said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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whiterock said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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whiterock said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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whiterock said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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whiterock said:

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BigGameBaylorBear said:

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whiterock said:

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BigGameBaylorBear said:

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whiterock said:

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BigGameBaylorBear said:

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whiterock said:

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have you been asleep in a cave somewhere since 1980?

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Are you Jewish?

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no, but why would that matter? The issues are the issues. The interests are the interests. Religion really doesn't have much to do with it, except for the Middle East, where rabid anti-semitism occludes all reason. Even then, we find a way to work with both Arabs and Jews on common interests. Countries do typically work on common interests, regardless how other stuff lines up. That's how you find Israel partnering with the USA but allying with Azerbaijan against Armenia.....why is that? Because the Azeris hate the Iranians. The Iranians know this and ally with the Armenians. Ergo, Israel has more in common with a country full of muslims than country full of Christians. Religion is LESS important than national interest.

You Israel haters here sound exactly like all those 80-range IQ arabs I worked around overseas. One crude Jewish trope after another. That "running of the Jew" scene in Borat was the funniest part of the entire movie because it fairly accurately represents the caricaturish nature of Arab antisemitism (and yours).

Geopoltics is not hard to understand, but one does have to try.

---

That's your problem, you assume anyone who disagrees with you is uneducated or an anti-semite. Perhaps most Americans are tired of playing in the sandbox and want to focus on issues stateside. The sandbox is lost cause and Bibi's endless visits to the WH have made it clear why we are still involved over there…

---

I'm tired of playing in the sand box, too. That doesn't mean the sand box is irrelevant to us.

Remove Israel from the map. Tell us how that makes the world a better place. Tell us how that makes AQ go away. Tell us how that makes Iranian nuclear ballistic missiles go away. Tell us how it makes Turkey any less important to us (as a counter-balance to Russia). (and on and on and on....) The answer is, an Israel-free world makes none of those problems evaporate. Just harder to work on.

Anyone who think's Israel is responsible for all of our foreign policy missteps is profoundly uneducated. Latent anti-Semitism is the only plausible explanation for such lunacy.

---

Oh yeah, you're definitely Jewish… it's so obvious. The way you continuously drool over "Israel's brave sons and daughters", or how you call someone anti-semitic anytime this disagree with our foreign policy. That or I'm severely underestimating the meat-riding Zio-Christians do for their rulers

---

It is a fact that the Israeli Air Force last summer did the mission of destroying Iranian A2AD to gain complete Air Supremacy over Iran, thus allowing our bombers to make an unopposed bombing mission. So, yes, if you have even basic understanding of the subject material, you would plainly see that Israel bore the brunt of risk of that operation. and probably will do so this go-around as well.

Do you run into walls often?

---

Had nothing to do with Israeli air supremacy. It was a symbolic strike with advance notice, to which Iran responded in like manner.

---

It is indeed highly symbolic to totally disable air defense systems of an entire country. Here's what was taken out on the first day:

• Armed Forces General Staff (AFGS) Chief Major General Mohammad Bagheri
• Khatam ol Anbia Central Headquarters Commander Major General Gholam Ali Rashid
• Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps (IRGC) Commander Major General Hossein Salami
• IRGC Aerospace Force Commander Brigadier General Amir Ali Hajji Zadeh
• Former Supreme National Security Council Secretary Rear Admiral Ali Shamkhani

• Jahan Koudak Tower, Tehran Province[15]
• Qasr-e Shirin, Kermanshah Province[16]
• Unspecified IRGC base in Sardasht, West Azerbaijan Province[17]
• Azgol neighborhood of Tehran[18]
• Farmanieh neighborhood of Tehran[19]
• Sobashi air defense radar, Hamedan Province[20]
• Natanz Enrichment Complex Underground Area, Esfahan Province[21]
• Piranshahr Military Base, West Azerbaijan Province[22]
• Kermanshah Underground Facility, Kermanshah Province[23]
• Air defense base, Tehran Province[24]
• Tabriz Air Base, East Azerbaijan Province[25]

Over the ensuing 12 day air campaign, Israel gained complete air supremacy over Iranian nuclear sites as well as all ingress/egress routes to them, allowing our bombing mission to occur over uncontested air space. Iran was unable to respond effectively, the vast majority of their drones/missiles being shot down before entering Israeli airspace by the air forces of several Nato and Arab countries (who supported the Israeli operation).

However inconvenient it might be to your increasingly disconnected narrative, Israel was the tip of the spear to reduce a nuclear threat to the United States of America.

Some background material. If you desire to contribute positively to the conversation, please familiarize yourself with what actually happened.
https://time.com/7294919/israel-air-supremacy-tehran-iran/
https://taskandpurpose.com/news/iran-israel-air-defense-rising-lion/
https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/June_2025_Israeli_strikes_on_Iran

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Your post and accompanying sources tend to confirm Iran's claim that it successfully reorganized its air defenses in about 48 hours. Almost every target on your list was struck within that time window. One of your articles mentions that Israel "will likely try to destroy the entire Iranian Navy and Iran's weapon storage facilities, military and civilian fuel storage sites, and national security buildings." No doubt that would have been true if air supremacy had been achieved. Of course the reality was nothing of the kind. After taking a severe beating from Iranian counterstrikes, it was Israel that asked for a ceasefire. Iran was given notice of the strikes on its nuclear facilities and allowed to remove its uranium stockpiles, with the understanding that the US didn't wish to further extend hostilities at that time.

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LOL - Iran was utterly unable to defend its airspace on 22 June 2025, because the Israeli Air Force gained complete air supremacy during the previous 11 day air campaign, thereby facilitating the US destruction of key nuclear sites.

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I heard you. I just don't believe you.

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well, that's what you do...ignore plain facts that are inconvenient to your contrived narratives.

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Here's the inconvenient question that you're ignoring. If the US and Israel had complete air supremacy, why didn't we take advantage of it?

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We did.

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have you been asleep in a cave somewhere since 1980?

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Are you Jewish?

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no, but why would that matter? The issues are the issues. The interests are the interests. Religion really doesn't have much to do with it, except for the Middle East, where rabid anti-semitism occludes all reason. Even then, we find a way to work with both Arabs and Jews on common interests. Countries do typically work on common interests, regardless how other stuff lines up. That's how you find Israel partnering with the USA but allying with Azerbaijan against Armenia.....why is that? Because the Azeris hate the Iranians. The Iranians know this and ally with the Armenians. Ergo, Israel has more in common with a country full of muslims than country full of Christians. Religion is LESS important than national interest.

You Israel haters here sound exactly like all those 80-range IQ arabs I worked around overseas. One crude Jewish trope after another. That "running of the Jew" scene in Borat was the funniest part of the entire movie because it fairly accurately represents the caricaturish nature of Arab antisemitism (and yours).

Geopoltics is not hard to understand, but one does have to try.

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That's your problem, you assume anyone who disagrees with you is uneducated or an anti-semite. Perhaps most Americans are tired of playing in the sandbox and want to focus on issues stateside. The sandbox is lost cause and Bibi's endless visits to the WH have made it clear why we are still involved over there…

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I'm tired of playing in the sand box, too. That doesn't mean the sand box is irrelevant to us.

Remove Israel from the map. Tell us how that makes the world a better place. Tell us how that makes AQ go away. Tell us how that makes Iranian nuclear ballistic missiles go away. Tell us how it makes Turkey any less important to us (as a counter-balance to Russia). (and on and on and on....) The answer is, an Israel-free world makes none of those problems evaporate. Just harder to work on.

Anyone who think's Israel is responsible for all of our foreign policy missteps is profoundly uneducated. Latent anti-Semitism is the only plausible explanation for such lunacy.

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Oh yeah, you're definitely Jewish… it's so obvious. The way you continuously drool over "Israel's brave sons and daughters", or how you call someone anti-semitic anytime this disagree with our foreign policy. That or I'm severely underestimating the meat-riding Zio-Christians do for their rulers

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It is a fact that the Israeli Air Force last summer did the mission of destroying Iranian A2AD to gain complete Air Supremacy over Iran, thus allowing our bombers to make an unopposed bombing mission. So, yes, if you have even basic understanding of the subject material, you would plainly see that Israel bore the brunt of risk of that operation. and probably will do so this go-around as well.

Do you run into walls often?

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Had nothing to do with Israeli air supremacy. It was a symbolic strike with advance notice, to which Iran responded in like manner.

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It is indeed highly symbolic to totally disable air defense systems of an entire country. Here's what was taken out on the first day:

• Armed Forces General Staff (AFGS) Chief Major General Mohammad Bagheri
• Khatam ol Anbia Central Headquarters Commander Major General Gholam Ali Rashid
• Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps (IRGC) Commander Major General Hossein Salami
• IRGC Aerospace Force Commander Brigadier General Amir Ali Hajji Zadeh
• Former Supreme National Security Council Secretary Rear Admiral Ali Shamkhani

• Jahan Koudak Tower, Tehran Province[15]
• Qasr-e Shirin, Kermanshah Province[16]
• Unspecified IRGC base in Sardasht, West Azerbaijan Province[17]
• Azgol neighborhood of Tehran[18]
• Farmanieh neighborhood of Tehran[19]
• Sobashi air defense radar, Hamedan Province[20]
• Natanz Enrichment Complex Underground Area, Esfahan Province[21]
• Piranshahr Military Base, West Azerbaijan Province[22]
• Kermanshah Underground Facility, Kermanshah Province[23]
• Air defense base, Tehran Province[24]
• Tabriz Air Base, East Azerbaijan Province[25]

Over the ensuing 12 day air campaign, Israel gained complete air supremacy over Iranian nuclear sites as well as all ingress/egress routes to them, allowing our bombing mission to occur over uncontested air space. Iran was unable to respond effectively, the vast majority of their drones/missiles being shot down before entering Israeli airspace by the air forces of several Nato and Arab countries (who supported the Israeli operation).

However inconvenient it might be to your increasingly disconnected narrative, Israel was the tip of the spear to reduce a nuclear threat to the United States of America.

Some background material. If you desire to contribute positively to the conversation, please familiarize yourself with what actually happened.
https://time.com/7294919/israel-air-supremacy-tehran-iran/
https://taskandpurpose.com/news/iran-israel-air-defense-rising-lion/
https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/June_2025_Israeli_strikes_on_Iran

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Your post and accompanying sources tend to confirm Iran's claim that it successfully reorganized its air defenses in about 48 hours. Almost every target on your list was struck within that time window. One of your articles mentions that Israel "will likely try to destroy the entire Iranian Navy and Iran's weapon storage facilities, military and civilian fuel storage sites, and national security buildings." No doubt that would have been true if air supremacy had been achieved. Of course the reality was nothing of the kind. After taking a severe beating from Iranian counterstrikes, it was Israel that asked for a ceasefire. Iran was given notice of the strikes on its nuclear facilities and allowed to remove its uranium stockpiles, with the understanding that the US didn't wish to further extend hostilities at that time.

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LOL - Iran was utterly unable to defend its airspace on 22 June 2025, because the Israeli Air Force gained complete air supremacy during the previous 11 day air campaign, thereby facilitating the US destruction of key nuclear sites.

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I heard you. I just don't believe you.

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well, that's what you do...ignore plain facts that are inconvenient to your contrived narratives.

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Here's the inconvenient question that you're ignoring. If the US and Israel had complete air supremacy, why didn't we take advantage of it?

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We did.

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No, we backed off. Now we have forces in place waiting for Trump's orders, and he can't make up his mind.

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Do our resident anti-semites now hate hockey as well?

Following Jewish hockey player Jack Hughes scoring the winning goal to win Olympic gold for Team USA...

ADD ONE MORE TO THE LIST
✔️Jews Control the Banks
✔️Jews Control the Media
✔️Jews Control the Governments
✔️Jews Control the World

NOW... Jews control Hockey. pic.twitter.com/QDwNpSGspc

— Mossad Commentary (@MOSSADil) February 22, 2026

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What does Jack Hughes have to do with the US invading Iran?

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The joke is that a Jew hit the winning goal in OT to take the gold medal, so now all the Israel-haters here have to expand their anti-semitic conspiracy theories to include the sport of Hockey.

Hughes might be Jewish, but he's not invading Iran. In fact, precisely nobody is invading Iran. Not the US hockey team, not the US military, not Israel.

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I understood the joke. Though I think many of the pro-Israel crowd on this board equate not supporting Israel with hating all Jews

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This kid was arrested for a public order offense in the UK because he referred to the Tottenham football club as the “Yid Army” which is apparently a reference to the club’s owners being Jewish. pic.twitter.com/UyVDGYCc6e

— Don Keith (@RealDonKeith) February 24, 2026