Tucker's attempt to normalize Nick Fuentes

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Mothra
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DallasBear9902 said:

Mothra said:

DallasBear9902 said:

Mothra said:

DallasBear9902 said:

Look up the Dahiya Doctrine and then rerun your death toll numbers.

So your position is that is violence based on religion?

Interesting.

Also interesting that you just refuse to acknowledge the violence committed in the name of Islam. Purposeful ignorance.


Let's try to build toward something here:

What is your definition of terrorism?


I'm not sure there's anything to build on giving your shoddy reasoning, but it probably would be a more productive conversation if you explained your definition, since it seems to vary from what most reasonable people would agree, constitutes terrorism, especially religious terrorism


LOL.

Try this one, let me know if you disagree: terrorism is the unlawful use of violence or the threat of violence against civilians for political purposes.

Anything you disagree with there?

I would agree that terrorism is the unlawful use of violence. I would not agree that terrorism is the mere threat of violence against civilians, no. I am sure that definition is convenient for your argument, but it's simply not accurate, and would depend on 1) what you mean by civilian, and 2) the purpose of the threat.

Now let's see if we can agree on what constitutes religious terrorism. The internet defines it as "violence motivated or justified by religious beliefs, texts, or divine mandates, often aiming to achieve theological, political, or social goals rather than just political change."

Anything you disagree with there?
The_barBEARian
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Mothra said:

The_barBEARian said:

Osodecentx said:

Tucker shades the truth yet again, this time about Churchill




Sorry Boomer.


Never thought I'd see you making fun of Tucker. He can't help it he's a boomer.


Isnt Tucker younger than you are?
Mothra
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The_barBEARian said:

Mothra said:

The_barBEARian said:

Osodecentx said:

Tucker shades the truth yet again, this time about Churchill




Sorry Boomer.


Never thought I'd see you making fun of Tucker. He can't help it he's a boomer.


Isnt Tucker younger than you are?

6 years my senior.

I am sure that is a real bummer for you, given how much you hate boomers.
The_barBEARian
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Maybe there is a God afterall.....



Oldbear83
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The_barBEARian said:

Osodecentx said:

Tucker shades the truth yet again, this time about Churchill




Sorry Boomer.

One need only look at the state of western Europe today and it is abundantly clear Winston Churchill was no hero.

Yeah, anyone standing up to your buddies Hitler and Stalin, you'd hate.

No surprise there.
Realitybites
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Mothra said:

Realitybites said:

Mothra said:


To answer your questions, yes, I condemn all of the hateful beliefs and acts you describe in your post.


So...no. Ok.


I actually said just the opposite but ok little buddy.


Actually, you didn't.

You did not to specifically denounce Chabad which was a specific question posed regarding a specific organization.

Which is actually an ironic place to end up in a thread you started bearing false witness against people like Tucker Carlson in an attempt to get people to condemn them as antisemitic.

But I suppose it's par for the course that a Judaizer wouldn't say anything negative about any group associated with anything remotely Jewish, Jewish adjacent, or associated with the movie Spaceballs.
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Mothra said:

DallasBear9902 said:

Mothra said:

DallasBear9902 said:

Mothra said:

DallasBear9902 said:

Look up the Dahiya Doctrine and then rerun your death toll numbers.

So your position is that is violence based on religion?

Interesting.

Also interesting that you just refuse to acknowledge the violence committed in the name of Islam. Purposeful ignorance.


Let's try to build toward something here:

What is your definition of terrorism?


I'm not sure there's anything to build on giving your shoddy reasoning, but it probably would be a more productive conversation if you explained your definition, since it seems to vary from what most reasonable people would agree, constitutes terrorism, especially religious terrorism


LOL.

Try this one, let me know if you disagree: terrorism is the unlawful use of violence or the threat of violence against civilians for political purposes.

Anything you disagree with there?

I would agree that terrorism is the unlawful use of violence. I would not agree that terrorism is the mere threat of violence against civilians, no. I am sure that definition is convenient for your argument, but it's simply not accurate, and would depend on 1) what you mean by civilian, and 2) the purpose of the threat.

Now let's see if we can agree on what constitutes religious terrorism. The internet defines it as "violence motivated or justified by religious beliefs, texts, or divine mandates, often aiming to achieve theological, political, or social goals rather than just political change."

Anything you disagree with there?


Fine.

Terrorism is the unlawful use of violence against civilians for political purposes.

Anything you disagree with there?

Violence includes the destruction of civilian homes and infrastructure (particularly vital infrastructure like water supplies).

Anything you disagree with there?

I offered you the lead and you chickened out. I'll come back to your definition once I'm done.
Oldbear83
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So to you, the Chabad movement which only started in the late 18th Century and in no way represents most Jews' opinions, is the necessary focus for this thread?



Realitybites
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Oldbear83 said:

So to you, the Chabad movement which only started in the late 18th Century and in no way represents most Jews' opinions, is the necessary focus for this thread?



Well, the degree to which Chabad represents most Jews' opinions is debatable. It certainly doesn't represent all Jews. But it is a mainstream movement within Judaism, and far from being a fringe group. The Kushners donated 2 million dollars to it.

"As American Jewry overall has experienced an increase in Jewish engagement in the wake of the Oct. 7 terror attacks, in what has been deemed "The Surge," the largest rise has been seen among those connected to the Chabad-Lubavitch movement, outpacing all other denominations and among unaffiliated Jews, according to survey data from Jewish Federations of North America"

So it is a very relevant question...and one that remains unanswered by Christian Zionists.

You would think it would be a very easy thing for any disciple of Christ to flatly say that Chabad is part of the Synagoge of Satan. And yet...it does not seem to be.
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Realitybites said:

Oldbear83 said:

So to you, the Chabad movement which only started in the late 18th Century and in no way represents most Jews' opinions, is the necessary focus for this thread?



Well, the degree to which Chabad represents most Jews' opinions is debatable. It certainly doesn't represent all Jews. But it is a mainstream movement within Judaism, and far from being a fringe group. The Kushners donated 2 million dollars to it.

"As American Jewry overall has experienced an increase in Jewish engagement in the wake of the Oct. 7 terror attacks, in what has been deemed "The Surge," the largest rise has been seen among those connected to the Chabad-Lubavitch movement, outpacing all other denominations and among unaffiliated Jews, according to survey data from Jewish Federations of North America"

So it is a very relevant question...and one that remains unanswered by Christian Zionists.

I know a fairly large number of Jews. Zero Chabad members.

So for now I call BS on the claim that Chabad represents Judaism any more than Joel Osteen is a good example of a Christian in practice.
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DallasBear9902 said:

Mothra said:

DallasBear9902 said:

Mothra said:

DallasBear9902 said:

Mothra said:

DallasBear9902 said:

Look up the Dahiya Doctrine and then rerun your death toll numbers.

So your position is that is violence based on religion?

Interesting.

Also interesting that you just refuse to acknowledge the violence committed in the name of Islam. Purposeful ignorance.


Let's try to build toward something here:

What is your definition of terrorism?


I'm not sure there's anything to build on giving your shoddy reasoning, but it probably would be a more productive conversation if you explained your definition, since it seems to vary from what most reasonable people would agree, constitutes terrorism, especially religious terrorism


LOL.

Try this one, let me know if you disagree: terrorism is the unlawful use of violence or the threat of violence against civilians for political purposes.

Anything you disagree with there?

I would agree that terrorism is the unlawful use of violence. I would not agree that terrorism is the mere threat of violence against civilians, no. I am sure that definition is convenient for your argument, but it's simply not accurate, and would depend on 1) what you mean by civilian, and 2) the purpose of the threat.

Now let's see if we can agree on what constitutes religious terrorism. The internet defines it as "violence motivated or justified by religious beliefs, texts, or divine mandates, often aiming to achieve theological, political, or social goals rather than just political change."

Anything you disagree with there?


Fine.

Terrorism is the unlawful use of violence against civilians for political purposes.

Anything you disagree with there?

Violence includes the destruction of civilian homes and infrastructure (particularly vital infrastructure like water supplies).

Anything you disagree with there?

I offered you the lead and you chickened out. I'll come back to your definition once I'm done.

I would just say it's the use of violence against civilians for political purposes. "Unlawful" is the loophole that apologists for state violence always try to use.
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Oldbear83 said:

Realitybites said:

Oldbear83 said:

So to you, the Chabad movement which only started in the late 18th Century and in no way represents most Jews' opinions, is the necessary focus for this thread?



Well, the degree to which Chabad represents most Jews' opinions is debatable. It certainly doesn't represent all Jews. But it is a mainstream movement within Judaism, and far from being a fringe group. The Kushners donated 2 million dollars to it.

"As American Jewry overall has experienced an increase in Jewish engagement in the wake of the Oct. 7 terror attacks, in what has been deemed "The Surge," the largest rise has been seen among those connected to the Chabad-Lubavitch movement, outpacing all other denominations and among unaffiliated Jews, according to survey data from Jewish Federations of North America"

So it is a very relevant question...and one that remains unanswered by Christian Zionists.

I know a fairly large number of Jews. Zero Chabad members.

So for now I call BS on the claim that Chabad represents Judaism any more than Joel Osteen is a good example of a Christian in practice.

That may be the case, but if JFNA says that is the case, I tend to take their analysis of what is and is not growing within Judaism as a bit more authoratative.

So are you willing to condemn Joel Osteen and Chabad both?

Because here's what I'm seeing from Judaizers. Blanket statements that can conceal "but I don't think Chabad is hateful" or "Chabad doesn't represent Judaism."

It's not a numbers game. It's an analysis of a specific Jewish organization, one that Jewish sources say is "outpacing all other denominational growth" as well as among "unaffiliated Jews". So while you may not think Chabad represents Judaism...a lot of Jews do, and a lot more of them than go to Joel Osteen's church.



Thousands of Chabad rabbis gather for the Annual International Conference Shluchim of Chabad-Lubavitch Emissaries in front of Chabad headquarters in Brooklyn on Dec. 1, 2024.

That's just the number of Rabbis in this international organization who came to the conference.
Oldbear83
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I will go further. Scripture plainly says that a great many people who consider themselves to be Christians will be condemned when they stand before Christ. If that is the case for nominal Christians, imagine the condition of billions of people who directly rejected Christ in this world, which obviously would include Osteen and any group which mocked Christians and therefore also Christ.
Mothra
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Realitybites said:

Mothra said:

Realitybites said:

Mothra said:


To answer your questions, yes, I condemn all of the hateful beliefs and acts you describe in your post.


So...no. Ok.


I actually said just the opposite but ok little buddy.


Actually, you didn't.

You did not to specifically denounce Chabad which was a specific question posed regarding a specific organization.

Which is actually an ironic place to end up in a thread you started bearing false witness against people like Tucker Carlson in an attempt to get people to condemn them as antisemitic.

But I suppose it's par for the course that a Judaizer wouldn't say anything negative about any group associated with anything remotely Jewish, Jewish adjacent, or associated with the movie Spaceballs.


Just to be clear, I have to actually specifically mention the name of the party you referenced in order to denounce it? My goodness you have to be the most obtuse poster on this board.

So tell me what it is you specifically want me to recite in order to prove that I denounce chabad, my little obtuse Jew hating friend?

I haven't said a single false thing on this thread, your lies and mischaracterizations to the contrary. The only person bearing false witness is yourself.
Mothra
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Oldbear83 said:

Realitybites said:

Oldbear83 said:

So to you, the Chabad movement which only started in the late 18th Century and in no way represents most Jews' opinions, is the necessary focus for this thread?



Well, the degree to which Chabad represents most Jews' opinions is debatable. It certainly doesn't represent all Jews. But it is a mainstream movement within Judaism, and far from being a fringe group. The Kushners donated 2 million dollars to it.

"As American Jewry overall has experienced an increase in Jewish engagement in the wake of the Oct. 7 terror attacks, in what has been deemed "The Surge," the largest rise has been seen among those connected to the Chabad-Lubavitch movement, outpacing all other denominations and among unaffiliated Jews, according to survey data from Jewish Federations of North America"

So it is a very relevant question...and one that remains unanswered by Christian Zionists.

I know a fairly large number of Jews. Zero Chabad members.

So for now I call BS on the claim that Chabad represents Judaism any more than Joel Osteen is a good example of a Christian in practice.


How dare you chide him for stereotyping and painting with a broad brush. You should know by now that a few examples of bad Jews means all Jews are bad.
Realitybites
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Asking for a condemnation of a single Jewish Supremacist organization like Chabad is hardly painting with a broad brush. I'll wait.

You can do it Mothra. "Chabad Lubavitch is an evil Jewish supremacist organization that teaches racism and serves Satan."
Mothra
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DallasBear9902 said:

Mothra said:

DallasBear9902 said:

Mothra said:

DallasBear9902 said:

Mothra said:

DallasBear9902 said:

Look up the Dahiya Doctrine and then rerun your death toll numbers.

So your position is that is violence based on religion?

Interesting.

Also interesting that you just refuse to acknowledge the violence committed in the name of Islam. Purposeful ignorance.


Let's try to build toward something here:

What is your definition of terrorism?


I'm not sure there's anything to build on giving your shoddy reasoning, but it probably would be a more productive conversation if you explained your definition, since it seems to vary from what most reasonable people would agree, constitutes terrorism, especially religious terrorism


LOL.

Try this one, let me know if you disagree: terrorism is the unlawful use of violence or the threat of violence against civilians for political purposes.

Anything you disagree with there?

I would agree that terrorism is the unlawful use of violence. I would not agree that terrorism is the mere threat of violence against civilians, no. I am sure that definition is convenient for your argument, but it's simply not accurate, and would depend on 1) what you mean by civilian, and 2) the purpose of the threat.

Now let's see if we can agree on what constitutes religious terrorism. The internet defines it as "violence motivated or justified by religious beliefs, texts, or divine mandates, often aiming to achieve theological, political, or social goals rather than just political change."

Anything you disagree with there?


Fine.

Terrorism is the unlawful use of violence against civilians for political purposes.

Anything you disagree with there?

Violence includes the destruction of civilian homes and infrastructure (particularly vital infrastructure like water supplies).

Anything you disagree with there?

I offered you the lead and you chickened out. I'll come back to your definition once I'm done.


Your accusations of cowardice are ironic, considering I answered your question while you failed to answer mine and have avoided the topic of Islamic terrorism and religious terrorism altogether. But of course, honest answers to my question would destroy your whole narrative. So I'll play along even if you're too big a coward to do so.

I would disagree that terrorism includes the destruction of civilian homes and infrastructure. During war, infrastructure is destroyed all the time. Were the allies engaging in terrorism when they blew up bridges, train stations and depots? Of course not. As with all things context is important.

For instance, if a terrorist detonated himself in, say, an Israeli marketplace, and the Israel response was to, say, destroy the home of said terrorist (while warning its inhabitants before hand) - a structure thatvery likely housed family members who supported and sympathized with his heinous act, I would not call that terrorism, but instead a deterrent against terrorism. I don't think any reasonable person would call that actual terrorism unless of course they hate Jews and don't want to see any retaliatory response to terrorism.

Now, care to answer my questions since I've answered yours, repeatedly? Or are you too big of chicken?
Mothra
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Realitybites said:

Asking for a condemnation of a single Jewish Supremacist organization like Chabad is hardly painting with a broad brush. I'll wait.

You can do it Mothra. "Chabad Lubavitch is an evil Jewish supremacist organization that teaches racism and serves Satan."


Well, to be fair, I believe you are an evil person who serves Satan so I'm not sure my condemnation is going to mean very much to you..

However, if I merely take you at your word that Chabad believes and teaches what you claim it does, then yes, it is an evil and racist organization. The ironic thing is it sounds like your beliefs are not too far removed.

Now let me ask this, my little Jew, hating up obtuse friend. Are all Jews evil and bad because Chabad exists? Should we stereotype and paint with your broad brushstrokes?

Do you condemn all white people as evil and racist because the KKK exists?
Oldbear83
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You are strangely obsessed on posting about your hate.

Maybe focus on how to save lost souls?
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Mothra said:

DallasBear9902 said:

Mothra said:

DallasBear9902 said:

Mothra said:

DallasBear9902 said:

Mothra said:

DallasBear9902 said:

Look up the Dahiya Doctrine and then rerun your death toll numbers.

So your position is that is violence based on religion?

Interesting.

Also interesting that you just refuse to acknowledge the violence committed in the name of Islam. Purposeful ignorance.


Let's try to build toward something here:

What is your definition of terrorism?


I'm not sure there's anything to build on giving your shoddy reasoning, but it probably would be a more productive conversation if you explained your definition, since it seems to vary from what most reasonable people would agree, constitutes terrorism, especially religious terrorism


LOL.

Try this one, let me know if you disagree: terrorism is the unlawful use of violence or the threat of violence against civilians for political purposes.

Anything you disagree with there?

I would agree that terrorism is the unlawful use of violence. I would not agree that terrorism is the mere threat of violence against civilians, no. I am sure that definition is convenient for your argument, but it's simply not accurate, and would depend on 1) what you mean by civilian, and 2) the purpose of the threat.

Now let's see if we can agree on what constitutes religious terrorism. The internet defines it as "violence motivated or justified by religious beliefs, texts, or divine mandates, often aiming to achieve theological, political, or social goals rather than just political change."

Anything you disagree with there?


Fine.

Terrorism is the unlawful use of violence against civilians for political purposes.

Anything you disagree with there?

Violence includes the destruction of civilian homes and infrastructure (particularly vital infrastructure like water supplies).

Anything you disagree with there?

I offered you the lead and you chickened out. I'll come back to your definition once I'm done.


Your accusations of cowardice are ironic, considering I answered your question while you failed to answer mine and have avoided the topic of Islamic terrorism and religious terrorism altogether. But of course, honest answers to my question would destroy your whole narrative. So I'll play along even if you're too big a coward to do so.

I would disagree that terrorism includes the destruction of civilian homes and infrastructure. During war, infrastructure is destroyed all the time. Were the allies engaging in terrorism when they blew up bridges, train stations and depots? Of course not. As with all things context is important.

For instance, if a terrorist detonated himself in, say, an Israeli marketplace, and the Israel response was to, say, destroy the home of said terrorist (while warning its inhabitants before hand) - a structure thatvery likely housed family members who supported and sympathized with his heinous act, I would not call that terrorism, but instead a deterrent against terrorism. I don't think any reasonable person would call that actual terrorism unless of course they hate Jews and don't want to see any retaliatory response to terrorism.

Now, care to answer my questions since I've answered yours, repeatedly? Or are you too big of chicken?


I'll answer your question, but I want to make sure we agree on what the type is before we get into a subtype. Let's agree on what a dog is before we get to whether a German Shepherd is a dog…

What you described is actually a war crime under the Geneva Convention of 1949 and the 1977 additional protocols. Provided the home is not a current threat and its destruction is not absolutely necessary, then you are proposing violating the Geneva Convention (to which every UN Member state is a signatory). It is illegal to target civilian real or personal protest under Geneva.

The Geneva Convention followed after the end of WWII, so I am less interested in whether Allied actions were terroristic in nature in WWII, but we can revisit that later if you'd like (I think the "absolutely necessary" qualifier in the Geneva Convention looms large).

So, understanding that blowing up the home is unlawful violent under the Geneva Convention and you propose to do it for political purposes (deterrence, as you put it) is your proposal terrorism?

Truth be told, I'm not as interested in this on such a granular level, but what is your answer if the targeting of civilian homes and infrastructure is done for political purposes on a systematic, neighborhood/district basis/city?
Mothra
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DallasBear9902 said:

Mothra said:

DallasBear9902 said:

Mothra said:

DallasBear9902 said:

Mothra said:

DallasBear9902 said:

Mothra said:

DallasBear9902 said:

Look up the Dahiya Doctrine and then rerun your death toll numbers.

So your position is that is violence based on religion?

Interesting.

Also interesting that you just refuse to acknowledge the violence committed in the name of Islam. Purposeful ignorance.


Let's try to build toward something here:

What is your definition of terrorism?


I'm not sure there's anything to build on giving your shoddy reasoning, but it probably would be a more productive conversation if you explained your definition, since it seems to vary from what most reasonable people would agree, constitutes terrorism, especially religious terrorism


LOL.

Try this one, let me know if you disagree: terrorism is the unlawful use of violence or the threat of violence against civilians for political purposes.

Anything you disagree with there?

I would agree that terrorism is the unlawful use of violence. I would not agree that terrorism is the mere threat of violence against civilians, no. I am sure that definition is convenient for your argument, but it's simply not accurate, and would depend on 1) what you mean by civilian, and 2) the purpose of the threat.

Now let's see if we can agree on what constitutes religious terrorism. The internet defines it as "violence motivated or justified by religious beliefs, texts, or divine mandates, often aiming to achieve theological, political, or social goals rather than just political change."

Anything you disagree with there?


Fine.

Terrorism is the unlawful use of violence against civilians for political purposes.

Anything you disagree with there?

Violence includes the destruction of civilian homes and infrastructure (particularly vital infrastructure like water supplies).

Anything you disagree with there?

I offered you the lead and you chickened out. I'll come back to your definition once I'm done.


Your accusations of cowardice are ironic, considering I answered your question while you failed to answer mine and have avoided the topic of Islamic terrorism and religious terrorism altogether. But of course, honest answers to my question would destroy your whole narrative. So I'll play along even if you're too big a coward to do so.

I would disagree that terrorism includes the destruction of civilian homes and infrastructure. During war, infrastructure is destroyed all the time. Were the allies engaging in terrorism when they blew up bridges, train stations and depots? Of course not. As with all things context is important.

For instance, if a terrorist detonated himself in, say, an Israeli marketplace, and the Israel response was to, say, destroy the home of said terrorist (while warning its inhabitants before hand) - a structure thatvery likely housed family members who supported and sympathized with his heinous act, I would not call that terrorism, but instead a deterrent against terrorism. I don't think any reasonable person would call that actual terrorism unless of course they hate Jews and don't want to see any retaliatory response to terrorism.

Now, care to answer my questions since I've answered yours, repeatedly? Or are you too big of chicken?


I'll answer your question, but I want to make sure we agree on what the type is before we get into a subtype. Let's agree on what a dog is before we get to whether a German Shepherd is a dog…

What you described is actually a war crime under the Geneva Convention of 1949 and the 1977 additional protocols. Provided the home is not a current threat and its destruction is not absolutely necessary, then you are proposing violating the Geneva Convention (to which every UN Member state is a signatory). It is illegal to target civilian real or personal protest under Geneva.

The Geneva Convention followed after the end of WWII, so I am less interested in whether Allied actions were terroristic in nature in WWII, but we can revisit that later if you'd like (I think the "absolutely necessary" qualifier in the Geneva Convention looms large).

So, understanding that blowing up the home is unlawful violent under the Geneva Convention and you propose to do it for political purposes (deterrence, as you put it) is your proposal terrorism?

Truth be told, I'm not as interested in this on such a granular level, but what is your answer if the targeting of civilian homes and infrastructure is done for political purposes on a systematic, neighborhood/district basis/city?


A few things…

The US has likewise been accused of violating the Geneva Convention on numerous occasions. I recall numerous accusations as such during the Afghanistan War, among others.

I suppose the question is the Geneva convention the final arbitrar of what constitutes terrorism? I certainly don't believe so and also believe how you define terrorism requires much interpretation.

As long as we are arguing semantics, I'd also submit that any reasonable person understands there's a big difference between mass murdering innocent people and destroying the home of a murderer. Anyone unwilling to acknowledge that is not intellectually honest.

So as long as we are going to put a mass murderer who blows himself up in the marketplace in an attempt to kill as many Jews as possible with a response that includes the destruction of the mass murderers home, we likely aren't going to agree on much because you're not an intellectually honest person.
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Mothra said:

DallasBear9902 said:

Mothra said:

DallasBear9902 said:

Mothra said:

DallasBear9902 said:

Mothra said:

DallasBear9902 said:

Mothra said:

DallasBear9902 said:

Look up the Dahiya Doctrine and then rerun your death toll numbers.

So your position is that is violence based on religion?

Interesting.

Also interesting that you just refuse to acknowledge the violence committed in the name of Islam. Purposeful ignorance.


Let's try to build toward something here:

What is your definition of terrorism?


I'm not sure there's anything to build on giving your shoddy reasoning, but it probably would be a more productive conversation if you explained your definition, since it seems to vary from what most reasonable people would agree, constitutes terrorism, especially religious terrorism


LOL.

Try this one, let me know if you disagree: terrorism is the unlawful use of violence or the threat of violence against civilians for political purposes.

Anything you disagree with there?

I would agree that terrorism is the unlawful use of violence. I would not agree that terrorism is the mere threat of violence against civilians, no. I am sure that definition is convenient for your argument, but it's simply not accurate, and would depend on 1) what you mean by civilian, and 2) the purpose of the threat.

Now let's see if we can agree on what constitutes religious terrorism. The internet defines it as "violence motivated or justified by religious beliefs, texts, or divine mandates, often aiming to achieve theological, political, or social goals rather than just political change."

Anything you disagree with there?


Fine.

Terrorism is the unlawful use of violence against civilians for political purposes.

Anything you disagree with there?

Violence includes the destruction of civilian homes and infrastructure (particularly vital infrastructure like water supplies).

Anything you disagree with there?

I offered you the lead and you chickened out. I'll come back to your definition once I'm done.


Your accusations of cowardice are ironic, considering I answered your question while you failed to answer mine and have avoided the topic of Islamic terrorism and religious terrorism altogether. But of course, honest answers to my question would destroy your whole narrative. So I'll play along even if you're too big a coward to do so.

I would disagree that terrorism includes the destruction of civilian homes and infrastructure. During war, infrastructure is destroyed all the time. Were the allies engaging in terrorism when they blew up bridges, train stations and depots? Of course not. As with all things context is important.

For instance, if a terrorist detonated himself in, say, an Israeli marketplace, and the Israel response was to, say, destroy the home of said terrorist (while warning its inhabitants before hand) - a structure thatvery likely housed family members who supported and sympathized with his heinous act, I would not call that terrorism, but instead a deterrent against terrorism. I don't think any reasonable person would call that actual terrorism unless of course they hate Jews and don't want to see any retaliatory response to terrorism.

Now, care to answer my questions since I've answered yours, repeatedly? Or are you too big of chicken?


I'll answer your question, but I want to make sure we agree on what the type is before we get into a subtype. Let's agree on what a dog is before we get to whether a German Shepherd is a dog…

What you described is actually a war crime under the Geneva Convention of 1949 and the 1977 additional protocols. Provided the home is not a current threat and its destruction is not absolutely necessary, then you are proposing violating the Geneva Convention (to which every UN Member state is a signatory). It is illegal to target civilian real or personal protest under Geneva.

The Geneva Convention followed after the end of WWII, so I am less interested in whether Allied actions were terroristic in nature in WWII, but we can revisit that later if you'd like (I think the "absolutely necessary" qualifier in the Geneva Convention looms large).

So, understanding that blowing up the home is unlawful violent under the Geneva Convention and you propose to do it for political purposes (deterrence, as you put it) is your proposal terrorism?

Truth be told, I'm not as interested in this on such a granular level, but what is your answer if the targeting of civilian homes and infrastructure is done for political purposes on a systematic, neighborhood/district basis/city?


A few things…

The US has likewise been accused of violating the Geneva Convention on numerous occasions. I recall numerous accusations as such during the Afghanistan War, among others.

I suppose the question is the Geneva convention the final arbitrar of what constitutes terrorism? I certainly don't believe so and also believe how you define terrorism requires much interpretation.

As long as we are arguing semantics, I'd also submit that any reasonable person understands there's a big difference between mass murdering innocent people and destroying the home of a murderer. Anyone unwilling to acknowledge that is not intellectually honest.

So as long as we are going to put a mass murderer who blows himself up in the marketplace in an attempt to kill as many Jews as possible with a response that includes the destruction of the mass murderers home, we likely aren't going to agree on much because you're not an intellectually honest person.


The Geneva Convention is not the final arbiter, but who is? The ICC? The UN?

Treaties have the full force of law. That is kind of the point of treaties and you are certainly aware of that, counselor.

Whether you agree it is the final arbiter or intermediate or whatever is irrelevant, what you propose is unlawful violence (blowing up the home) for political purposes (deterrence). If you'd like to correct me by showing which part of your proposed plan of action is not "unlawful violence" for "political purpose", by all means, educate me.

If laws don't matter and you seem to disregard laws that you find inconvenient, how are we going to get to your subtype of terrorism? Or is it only unlawful if you disagree with the actors?

And as I said, I'm not as interested in this on granular level, but your proposed war crime is a micro example of what the real problem is. Your proposal, when done at scale, is a very serious problem to think about because not only does the destruction of civilian homes and infrastructure create material problems, it will be followed by disease, illness, and death and a refugee crisis.

So, is the carrying out of the Dahiya Doctrine terrorism?

I agree with your definition of religious terrorism. But you should proceed with caution.
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Core USG Definition (18 U.S.C. 2331)
Terrorism is defined as activities that meet three main criteria:
1) Violent/Dangerous Acts: Involve acts dangerous to human life that violate federal or state law.
2) Intent: Appear to be intended to:
-Intimidate or coerce a civilian population;
-Influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or
-Affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination, or kidnapping.
3) Jurisdiction: Occur within U.S. jurisdiction (Domestic) or outside/transcend national boundaries (International).
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Mothra said:

Oldbear83 said:

Realitybites said:

Oldbear83 said:

So to you, the Chabad movement which only started in the late 18th Century and in no way represents most Jews' opinions, is the necessary focus for this thread?



Well, the degree to which Chabad represents most Jews' opinions is debatable. It certainly doesn't represent all Jews. But it is a mainstream movement within Judaism, and far from being a fringe group. The Kushners donated 2 million dollars to it.

"As American Jewry overall has experienced an increase in Jewish engagement in the wake of the Oct. 7 terror attacks, in what has been deemed "The Surge," the largest rise has been seen among those connected to the Chabad-Lubavitch movement, outpacing all other denominations and among unaffiliated Jews, according to survey data from Jewish Federations of North America"

So it is a very relevant question...and one that remains unanswered by Christian Zionists.

I know a fairly large number of Jews. Zero Chabad members.

So for now I call BS on the claim that Chabad represents Judaism any more than Joel Osteen is a good example of a Christian in practice.


How dare you chide him for stereotyping and painting with a broad brush. You should know by now that a few examples of bad Jews means all Jews are bad.


Didn't you post something about Atheists not having morals and being unable to distinguish right from wrong?

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Oldbear83 said:

The_barBEARian said:

Osodecentx said:

Tucker shades the truth yet again, this time about Churchill




Sorry Boomer.

One need only look at the state of western Europe today and it is abundantly clear Winston Churchill was no hero.

Yeah, anyone standing up to your buddies Hitler and Stalin, you'd hate.

No surprise there.


You are the guy who supports the people wiping their ass with the constitution:

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Mothra said:

However, if I merely take you at your word that Chabad believes and teaches what you claim it does, then yes, it is an evil and racist organization.


Good! We're getting closer.

Quote:

Are all Jews evil and bad because Chabad exists?


Of course not. In life, "all" and "none" often lead to wrong conclusions.

Quote:

Do you condemn all white people as evil and racist because the KKK exists?


Nope. I do hold the KKK and Chabad as moral equivalents.
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Religious Jews are not able to fight their own wars because they will genocide everyone in sight according to this Rabbi:

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The Liar speaks: " You are the guy who supports the people wiping their ass with the constitution"

Not in the least. You lose again, Adolf.
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Oldbear83 said:

The Liar speaks: " You are the guy who supports the people wiping their ass with the constitution"

Not in the least. You lose again, Adolf.

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Not sure why you included a photo of your grandpop, but OK
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Oldbear83 said:

Not sure why you included a photo of your grandpop, but OK


Here is one of yourself:



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Your amazing streak of completely wrong claims continues, Adolf.

STBY
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