It's fascinating to think that these kids I know, growing up as the children of a single mom working at Whataburger, are privileged while Sasha Obama and millionaire Jonathan Butler are not.

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Just found a picture of WACO1947 (the white man that wishes he was black). This picture must have been taken in his younger days.

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That's a rap god. As good as we've ever seen.

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Okay tommie. Here is Landau Eugene Murphy, Jr. Forget stereotypes and judging a book by its cover. Check this out. This guy is truly amazing. Wonder what he is doing today. Send Landau over and we will send Marshall Mathers.

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Just found a picture of WACO1947 (the white man that wishes he was black). This picture must have been taken in his younger days.

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That's a rap god. As good as we've ever seen.

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Okay tommie. Here is Landau Eugene Murphy, Jr. Forget stereotypes and judging a book by its cover. Check this out. This guy is truly amazing. Wonder what he is doing today. Send Landau over and we will send Marshall Mathers.

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They're both just performing music. Talented.

Mathers is a rap god because

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Just found a picture of WACO1947 (the white man that wishes he was black). This picture must have been taken in his younger days.

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That's a rap god. As good as we've ever seen.

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Maybe we can make a trade.

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Watch "Racial Draft - Natural Selection of the Millenia" on Vimeo: https://vimeo.com/61499874?ref=em-share

Privilege, you want to talk about privilege! I'm left handed. Ever try to eat with forks made for a right-handed person. Ever try to stir your coffee with a spoon made for a right-handed person. Ever try to cut your steak with a knife made for right-handed person. Every try to use a right-handed screw driver. Ever try to write with a right-handed pen/pencil. Ever try to sit on the inside of a booth with a right-handed person and eat a meal. Right elbow to elbow. Studies suggest only 10% of the worlds population consists left-handed people. So don't talk to me about privilege.

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It's fascinating to think that these kids I know, growing up as the children of a single mom working at Whataburger, are privileged while Sasha Obama and millionaire Jonathan Butler are not.

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Being "privileged" and white privilege are not necessarily the same things.

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White privilege is simply to be born white and walk in this world as a white. Being white in and of itself is all white privilege is about. Blacks walk around in black skin.
If you are white then imagine what it would be like to black all day and the next and then the next.

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I just flagged this post for racism. Do the same. Spam the snowflake moderators with flags like this.

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Privilege, you want to talk about privilege! I'm left handed. Ever try to eat with forks made for a right-handed person. Ever try to stir your coffee with a spoon made for a right-handed person. Ever try to cut your steak with a knife made for right-handed person. Every try to use a right-handed screw driver. Ever try to write with a right-handed pen/pencil. Ever try to sit on the inside of a booth with a right-handed person and eat a meal. Right elbow to elbow. Studies suggest only 10% of the worlds population consists left-handed people. So don't talk to me about privilege.

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Comparing the pitfalls of finding an appropriate fork to use while dining in the Hamptons with more white people(instead of being the help)does not equate being followed around HEB for simply not being white. Let's go back to earth.

I'm still waiting for the south paw MLK to come fight for left-handed forks for all the forgotten lefties!

Seriously;

When I played othello in a scene at BU, I walked around campus a day as a subsaharan negro (not as a moor which is actually a Hamitic Caucasian -as Caucasian as you)and I was stared at everywhere I went. Very uncomfortable. The makeup was perfect and I could not wait to get out of it. Being black was VERY different.

Sorry guys, but I learned there is skin tint privilege depending on where you live, and here in this majority European descent country, don't race to put on that othello makeup. It wasn't fun being black, or it wasn't at BU 20 years ago. I wish everyone commenting on this board could have the chance to possibly have their mind changed like mine was.

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Privilege, you want to talk about privilege! I'm left handed. Ever try to eat with forks made for a right-handed person. Ever try to stir your coffee with a spoon made for a right-handed person. Ever try to cut your steak with a knife made for right-handed person. Every try to use a right-handed screw driver. Ever try to write with a right-handed pen/pencil. Ever try to sit on the inside of a booth with a right-handed person and eat a meal. Right elbow to elbow. Studies suggest only 10% of the worlds population consists left-handed people. So don't talk to me about privilege.

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Comparing the pitfalls of finding an appropriate fork to use while dining in the Hamptons with more white people(instead of being the help)does not equate being followed around HEB for simply not being white. Let's go back to earth.

I'm still waiting for the south paw MLK to come fight for left-handed forks for all the forgotten lefties!

Seriously;

When I played othello in a scene at BU, I walked around campus a day as a subsaharan negro (not as a moor which is actually a Hamitic Caucasian -as Caucasian as you)and I was stared at everywhere I went. Very uncomfortable. The makeup was perfect and I could not wait to get out of it. Being black was VERY different.

Sorry guys, but I learned there is skin tint privilege depending on where you live, and here in this majority European descent country, don't race to put on that othello makeup. It wasn't fun being black, or it wasn't at BU 20 years ago. I wish everyone commenting on this board could have the chance to possibly have their mind changed like mine was.

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Are you sure people weren't looking at you funny because you were a theater dweeb wearing bad make-up?

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MLK did not like lukewarm whites who thought they were non racists and failed to see their inherent racism in the south.

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MLK found racism in the North to be even more stubborn than in the South, and every bit as vicious.

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True. See Chicago

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Chicago was one of the places where MLK found racism so entrenched, his effort there failed.

But somehow I don't think that's what you meant when you cited Chicago.

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It was in reference to the fact that MLK found racism in the north in some places even worse than the south

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People don't talk about it but there is a shared history in the south between blacks and whites Same schools, same foods, same religion. Teammates. That is often not as common up north.

Southerners I know would not have stood quiet for stop and frisk but it happened in New York.

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Privilege, you want to talk about privilege! I'm left handed. Ever try to eat with forks made for a right-handed person. Ever try to stir your coffee with a spoon made for a right-handed person. Ever try to cut your steak with a knife made for right-handed person. Every try to use a right-handed screw driver. Ever try to write with a right-handed pen/pencil. Ever try to sit on the inside of a booth with a right-handed person and eat a meal. Right elbow to elbow. Studies suggest only 10% of the worlds population consists left-handed people. So don't talk to me about privilege.

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Comparing the pitfalls of finding an appropriate fork to use while dining in the Hamptons with more white people(instead of being the help)does not equate being followed around HEB for simply not being white. Let's go back to earth.

I'm still waiting for the south paw MLK to come fight for left-handed forks for all the forgotten lefties!

Seriously;

When I played othello in a scene at BU, I walked around campus a day as a subsaharan negro (not as a moor which is actually a Hamitic Caucasian -as Caucasian as you)and I was stared at everywhere I went. Very uncomfortable. The makeup was perfect and I could not wait to get out of it. Being black was VERY different.

Sorry guys, but I learned there is skin tint privilege depending on where you live, and here in this majority European descent country, don't race to put on that othello makeup. It wasn't fun being black, or it wasn't at BU 20 years ago. I wish everyone commenting on this board could have the chance to possibly have their mind changed like mine was.

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Are you sure people weren't looking at you funny because you were a theater dweeb wearing bad make-up?

His example is very funny. A white guy in black face and he thinks people won't stare.

Dude everybody knew you were a dweeby white guy painted as a black guy. Today someone would probably throw urine and feces on you and scream cultural appropriation.

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I'm guessing 47 knows about 3 black people

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and you would guess wrong. Re read what white privilege is and not what you think it is. Can you do that?

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You still have not defined what you think the privileges are or if you think people of other colors also have privileges based upon their skin color.

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. For instance I was born in Waco at Hillcrest. If a black child was born in Hillcrest it was probably in the segregated wing. When that black child started school it was in a segregated school and it stayed segregated until I graduated in 1966. We did not receive the same healthcare or education. When I rode the bus downtown blacks were in the back of the bus. I went to eat at El Chico's on the circle and it was whites only. I shopped at Gibson's and there were two water fountains Whie and Colored. At age 12 my family took a vacation to New Orleans and I saw billboards that said MLK was a communist Agitator. I went to an all white Methodist church and the black Methodists went to black churches. That mindset by whites is still predominantly alive in the south. I've over heard way too many conversations here 2017 that were blatantly racists. Whites felt they could talk that way because I was white. It was unguarded. Senator Tim Scott a black senator from SC has been pulled over 7 times and treated rudely by white officers. White privilege is real. But you will never see it until you empathize rather than argue. .

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To take your anecdotal experience and claim it represents everyone else's experience is a complete lie. You clearly have racist friends. If you hang around them then...

I do not have remotely the same experience as you and have not heard people talk like you in my presence in 30+ years. But, I don't claim that my personal experience represents everyone else's.

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My "anecdotal" experience in each and every case was reflective of a larger cultural context of racism and segregation. It was my experience in a racist and segregated society and for blacks it was devastating real.

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That's awesome for you. But by extending your personal experience to a "larger cultural context" you are stating that is also my experience.

That's a lie pastor.

In your response, you keep saying "was" which I can only assume reflects your personal experience in the 60's and 70's. I'm not arguing that experience, there are plenty of other people's anecdotes to support you.

I am absolutely stating that the atmosphere from the 60's and 70's does not exist today. Your description is not my experience and frankly you cannot state that your personal experience is more relevant than mine or anyone else's.

I'm just asking you to quit lying about my experience.

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I'm guessing 47 knows about 3 black people

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and you would guess wrong. Re read what white privilege is and not what you think it is. Can you do that?

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You still have not defined what you think the privileges are or if you think people of other colors also have privileges based upon their skin color.

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. For instance I was born in Waco at Hillcrest. If a black child was born in Hillcrest it was probably in the segregated wing. When that black child started school it was in a segregated school and it stayed segregated until I graduated in 1966. We did not receive the same healthcare or education. When I rode the bus downtown blacks were in the back of the bus. I went to eat at El Chico's on the circle and it was whites only. I shopped at Gibson's and there were two water fountains Whie and Colored. At age 12 my family took a vacation to New Orleans and I saw billboards that said MLK was a communist Agitator. I went to an all white Methodist church and the black Methodists went to black churches. That mindset by whites is still predominantly alive in the south. I've over heard way too many conversations here 2017 that were blatantly racists. Whites felt they could talk that way because I was white. It was unguarded. Senator Tim Scott a black senator from SC has been pulled over 7 times and treated rudely by white officers. White privilege is real. But you will never see it until you empathize rather than argue. .

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To take your anecdotal experience and claim it represents everyone else's experience is a complete lie. You clearly have racist friends. If you hang around them then...

I do not have remotely the same experience as you and have not heard people talk like you in my presence in 30+ years. But, I don't claim that my personal experience represents everyone else's.

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My "anecdotal" experience in each and every case was reflective of a larger cultural context of racism and segregation. It was my experience in a racist and segregated society and for blacks it was devastating real.

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That's awesome for you. But by extending your personal experience to a "larger cultural context" you are stating that is also my experience.

That's a lie pastor.

In your response, you keep saying "was" which I can only assume reflects your personal experience in the 60's and 70's. I'm not arguing that experience, there are plenty of other people's anecdotes to support you.

I am absolutely stating that the atmosphere from the 60's and 70's does not exist today. Your description is not my experience and frankly you cannot state that your personal experience is more relevant than mine or anyone else's.

I'm just asking you to quit lying about my experience.

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are you white? If yes then of course it's not your cultural experience but it is the experience of African Americans every single damn day - not just 60s 70s.

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I'm guessing 47 knows about 3 black people

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and you would guess wrong. Re read what white privilege is and not what you think it is. Can you do that?

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You still have not defined what you think the privileges are or if you think people of other colors also have privileges based upon their skin color.

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. For instance I was born in Waco at Hillcrest. If a black child was born in Hillcrest it was probably in the segregated wing. When that black child started school it was in a segregated school and it stayed segregated until I graduated in 1966. We did not receive the same healthcare or education. When I rode the bus downtown blacks were in the back of the bus. I went to eat at El Chico's on the circle and it was whites only. I shopped at Gibson's and there were two water fountains Whie and Colored. At age 12 my family took a vacation to New Orleans and I saw billboards that said MLK was a communist Agitator. I went to an all white Methodist church and the black Methodists went to black churches. That mindset by whites is still predominantly alive in the south. I've over heard way too many conversations here 2017 that were blatantly racists. Whites felt they could talk that way because I was white. It was unguarded. Senator Tim Scott a black senator from SC has been pulled over 7 times and treated rudely by white officers. White privilege is real. But you will never see it until you empathize rather than argue. .

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To take your anecdotal experience and claim it represents everyone else's experience is a complete lie. You clearly have racist friends. If you hang around them then...

I do not have remotely the same experience as you and have not heard people talk like you in my presence in 30+ years. But, I don't claim that my personal experience represents everyone else's.

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My "anecdotal" experience in each and every case was reflective of a larger cultural context of racism and segregation. It was my experience in a racist and segregated society and for blacks it was devastating real.

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That's awesome for you. But by extending your personal experience to a "larger cultural context" you are stating that is also my experience.

That's a lie pastor.

In your response, you keep saying "was" which I can only assume reflects your personal experience in the 60's and 70's. I'm not arguing that experience, there are plenty of other people's anecdotes to support you.

I am absolutely stating that the atmosphere from the 60's and 70's does not exist today. Your description is not my experience and frankly you cannot state that your personal experience is more relevant than mine or anyone else's.

I'm just asking you to quit lying about my experience.

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are you white? If yes then of course it's not your cultural experience but it is the experience of African Americans every single damn day - not just 60s 70s.

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I'm not sure how you don't understand that you are stating an opinion as if it is a fact. And, your opinion is based on your own very limited experience in a very narrow part of the country.

I work with a variety of people; black, asian, indian, and on and on that don't experience what you describe. I run with black friends who own businesses or are in corporate management that don't experience what you describe.

You cannot take your little slice and assume that it is common for all others...especially since you apparently have very racist friends that you hang around. Frankly, that fact should make you step back and re-evaluate your own viewpoints.

If you are trying to correlate your personal anecdotal experience with what you see on the news or social media, you are just experiencing Confirmation Bias. You have a pre-conceived notion based on your anecdotal experience, see similar "experiences' on the news or social media, and select the ones that confirm your pre-existing bias.

You state that it is the experience of African-Americans every day but you should consider that this is the experience of African-Americans around you and your friends.

Look, I'm not saying that racism doesn't exist. It clearly does. I'm saying it is not all-encompassing like you are trying to describe by asserting that 'white privilege' exists. I would also add that racism exists for all races on all other races. To single modern whites out today as if there is something different about white people is asinine.

Edit: Let me walk something back. It is not so much racism that exists as it is cultural bias. I don't understand cultures that I have no experience with and my head/confirmation bias fills in the gaps with fears. That is common amongst all cultures and all people.

1947,

Feel free to express your frustrations like this guy did if you can't find some other more constructive use of your time:

https://www.texasmonthly.com/articles/man-on-fire/

Pea Weevil

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Waco1947 said:

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I'm guessing 47 knows about 3 black people

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and you would guess wrong. Re read what white privilege is and not what you think it is. Can you do that?

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You still have not defined what you think the privileges are or if you think people of other colors also have privileges based upon their skin color.

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. For instance I was born in Waco at Hillcrest. If a black child was born in Hillcrest it was probably in the segregated wing. When that black child started school it was in a segregated school and it stayed segregated until I graduated in 1966. We did not receive the same healthcare or education. When I rode the bus downtown blacks were in the back of the bus. I went to eat at El Chico's on the circle and it was whites only. I shopped at Gibson's and there were two water fountains Whie and Colored. At age 12 my family took a vacation to New Orleans and I saw billboards that said MLK was a communist Agitator. I went to an all white Methodist church and the black Methodists went to black churches. That mindset by whites is still predominantly alive in the south. I've over heard way too many conversations here 2017 that were blatantly racists. Whites felt they could talk that way because I was white. It was unguarded. Senator Tim Scott a black senator from SC has been pulled over 7 times and treated rudely by white officers. White privilege is real. But you will never see it until you empathize rather than argue. .

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To take your anecdotal experience and claim it represents everyone else's experience is a complete lie. You clearly have racist friends. If you hang around them then...

I do not have remotely the same experience as you and have not heard people talk like you in my presence in 30+ years. But, I don't claim that my personal experience represents everyone else's.

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My "anecdotal" experience in each and every case was reflective of a larger cultural context of racism and segregation. It was my experience in a racist and segregated society and for blacks it was devastating real.

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That's awesome for you. But by extending your personal experience to a "larger cultural context" you are stating that is also my experience.

That's a lie pastor.

In your response, you keep saying "was" which I can only assume reflects your personal experience in the 60's and 70's. I'm not arguing that experience, there are plenty of other people's anecdotes to support you.

I am absolutely stating that the atmosphere from the 60's and 70's does not exist today. Your description is not my experience and frankly you cannot state that your personal experience is more relevant than mine or anyone else's.

I'm just asking you to quit lying about my experience.

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are you white? If yes then of course it's not your cultural experience but it is the experience of African Americans every single damn day - not just 60s 70s.

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I'm not sure how you don't understand that you are stating an opinion as if it is a fact. And, your opinion is based on your own very limited experience in a very narrow part of the country.

I work with a variety of people; black, asian, indian, and on and on that don't experience what you describe. I run with black friends who own businesses or are in corporate management that don't experience what you describe.

You cannot take your little slice and assume that it is common for all others...especially since you apparently have very racist friends that you hang around. Frankly, that fact should make you step back and re-evaluate your own viewpoints.

If you are trying to correlate your personal anecdotal experience with what you see on the news or social media, you are just experiencing Confirmation Bias. You have a pre-conceived notion based on your anecdotal experience, see similar "experiences' on the news or social media, and select the ones that confirm your pre-existing bias.

You state that it is the experience of African-Americans every day but you should consider that this is the experience of African-Americans around you and your friends.

Look, I'm not saying that racism doesn't exist. It clearly does. I'm saying it is not all-encompassing like you are trying to describe by asserting that 'white privilege' exists. I would also add that racism exists for all races on all other races. To single modern whites out today as if there is something different about white people is asinine.

Edit: Let me walk something back. It is not so much racism that exists as it is cultural bias. I don't understand cultures that I have no experience with and my head/confirmation bias fills in the gaps with fears. That is common amongst all cultures and all people.

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Cultural bias plays a part, I am sure. However, I'm not sure how you can state that your minority friends have experienced no rascism. How do yo know? Really how could you know?
My Columbia masters and law graduate black BIL could argue that his wealth does nothing to erase his differening bones and pigment in a majority Western European descendant nation, but we can't help a natural survival instinct to stay with more Europeans as we feel safer amongst those that look like us. Look at our country and where we live and work. You can't stop "rascism" on a subconscious level, although we can all make independent judgments on individuals. So yes we can get along, I'm just saying it is genetically difficult for us.

Of course . as much of the "races" we discuss his n here are actually Caucasian(arabs, east Indians as long as you do not go too far south, and yes, Ethiopians), but I harp on and on about that aspect.

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Privilege, you want to talk about privilege! I'm left handed. Ever try to eat with forks made for a right-handed person. Ever try to stir your coffee with a spoon made for a right-handed person. Ever try to cut your steak with a knife made for right-handed person. Every try to use a right-handed screw driver. Ever try to write with a right-handed pen/pencil. Ever try to sit on the inside of a booth with a right-handed person and eat a meal. Right elbow to elbow. Studies suggest only 10% of the worlds population consists left-handed people. So don't talk to me about privilege.

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Comparing the pitfalls of finding an appropriate fork to use while dining in the Hamptons with more white people(instead of being the help)does not equate being followed around HEB for simply not being white. Let's go back to earth.

I'm still waiting for the south paw MLK to come fight for left-handed forks for all the forgotten lefties!

Seriously;

When I played othello in a scene at BU, I walked around campus a day as a subsaharan negro (not as a moor which is actually a Hamitic Caucasian -as Caucasian as you)and I was stared at everywhere I went. Very uncomfortable. The makeup was perfect and I could not wait to get out of it. Being black was VERY different.

Sorry guys, but I learned there is skin tint privilege depending on where you live, and here in this majority European descent country, don't race to put on that othello makeup. It wasn't fun being black, or it wasn't at BU 20 years ago. I wish everyone commenting on this board could have the chance to possibly have their mind changed like mine was.

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Are you sure people weren't looking at you funny because you were a theater dweeb wearing bad make-up?

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This "dweeb" led his group(and the quintessentially *****y BU sorority) to a pigskin victory. And on the makeup, I started out at UT with my professor being the guy who wrote the state textbook, so yes I passed. you should see how I could freak you guys out on Halloween.

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This "dweeb" led his group(and the quintessentially *****y BU sorority) to a pigskin victory. And on the makeup, I started out at UT with my professor being the guy who wrote the state textbook, so yes I passed. you should see how I could freak you guys out on Halloween.

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White privilege is simply to be born white and walk in this world as a white. Being white in and of itself is all white privilege is about. Blacks walk around in black skin.
If you are white then imagine what it would be like to black all day and the next and then the next.

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My best friend is black. I just showed him this post and he suggested that you pack sand up your ass.

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I posted 10:26 and posted 1:42. Really? You called your black friend?

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Is 3 hours and 20 min not long enough to make a phone call?

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I'm guessing 47 knows about 3 black people

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and you would guess wrong. Re read what white privilege is and not what you think it is. Can you do that?

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You still have not defined what you think the privileges are or if you think people of other colors also have privileges based upon their skin color.

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. For instance I was born in Waco at Hillcrest. If a black child was born in Hillcrest it was probably in the segregated wing. When that black child started school it was in a segregated school and it stayed segregated until I graduated in 1966. We did not receive the same healthcare or education. When I rode the bus downtown blacks were in the back of the bus. I went to eat at El Chico's on the circle and it was whites only. I shopped at Gibson's and there were two water fountains Whie and Colored. At age 12 my family took a vacation to New Orleans and I saw billboards that said MLK was a communist Agitator. I went to an all white Methodist church and the black Methodists went to black churches. That mindset by whites is still predominantly alive in the south. I've over heard way too many conversations here 2017 that were blatantly racists. Whites felt they could talk that way because I was white. It was unguarded. Senator Tim Scott a black senator from SC has been pulled over 7 times and treated rudely by white officers. White privilege is real. But you will never see it until you empathize rather than argue. .

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To take your anecdotal experience and claim it represents everyone else's experience is a complete lie. You clearly have racist friends. If you hang around them then...

I do not have remotely the same experience as you and have not heard people talk like you in my presence in 30+ years. But, I don't claim that my personal experience represents everyone else's.

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My "anecdotal" experience in each and every case was reflective of a larger cultural context of racism and segregation. It was my experience in a racist and segregated society and for blacks it was devastating real.

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That's awesome for you. But by extending your personal experience to a "larger cultural context" you are stating that is also my experience.

That's a lie pastor.

In your response, you keep saying "was" which I can only assume reflects your personal experience in the 60's and 70's. I'm not arguing that experience, there are plenty of other people's anecdotes to support you.

I am absolutely stating that the atmosphere from the 60's and 70's does not exist today. Your description is not my experience and frankly you cannot state that your personal experience is more relevant than mine or anyone else's.

I'm just asking you to quit lying about my experience.

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are you white? If yes then of course it's not your cultural experience but it is the experience of African Americans every single damn day - not just 60s 70s.

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I'm not sure how you don't understand that you are stating an opinion as if it is a fact. And, your opinion is based on your own very limited experience in a very narrow part of the country.

I work with a variety of people; black, asian, indian, and on and on that don't experience what you describe. I run with black friends who own businesses or are in corporate management that don't experience what you describe.

You cannot take your little slice and assume that it is common for all others...especially since you apparently have very racist friends that you hang around. Frankly, that fact should make you step back and re-evaluate your own viewpoints.

If you are trying to correlate your personal anecdotal experience with what you see on the news or social media, you are just experiencing Confirmation Bias. You have a pre-conceived notion based on your anecdotal experience, see similar "experiences' on the news or social media, and select the ones that confirm your pre-existing bias.

You state that it is the experience of African-Americans every day but you should consider that this is the experience of African-Americans around you and your friends.

Look, I'm not saying that racism doesn't exist. It clearly does. I'm saying it is not all-encompassing like you are trying to describe by asserting that 'white privilege' exists. I would also add that racism exists for all races on all other races. To single modern whites out today as if there is something different about white people is asinine.

Edit: Let me walk something back. It is not so much racism that exists as it is cultural bias. I don't understand cultures that I have no experience with and my head/confirmation bias fills in the gaps with fears. That is common amongst all cultures and all people.

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Cultural bias plays a part, I am sure. However, I'm not sure how you can state that your minority friends have experienced no rascism. How do yo know? Really how could you know?
My Columbia masters and law graduate black BIL could argue that his wealth does nothing to erase his differening bones and pigment in a majority Western European descendant nation, but we can't help a natural survival instinct to stay with more Europeans as we feel safer amongst those that look like us. Look at our country and where we live and work. You can't stop "rascism" on a subconscious level, although we can all make independent judgments on individuals. So yes we can get along, I'm just saying it is genetically difficult for us.

Of course . as much of the "races" we discuss his n here are actually Caucasian(arabs, east Indians as long as you do not go too far south, and yes, Ethiopians), but I harp on and on about that aspect.

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Do your friends not talk to you? I've asked about it. Of course, I would hear about it.

Again, I'm not saying racism does not exist and I'm not saying my friends and co-workers have not experienced it. I am saying that:
1) is that it is not as pervasive as the pastor keeps noting
2) it may be as pervasive for him in his experience and I am saying that he cannot extend his experience to everyone
3) it goes both ways - as a white guy I have been discriminated against...and I don't mean in a general government sense but in a personal setting. But again, it's not pervasive
4) you people must live and work in some suck places. I feel bad for you that you are stuck in the 60's.

For the record, I am white. Now,in the summer months I tend to be darker. In those months would I lose this privilege 1947 speaks about?

If I have privilege, I didn't ask for it. I can't help what color I was born, but if I have it, GREAT!

Here's a few privileges I wasn't born with (should I riot? Ask for reparations?)
1. I was not born into a wealthy family...
2. I had to pay for college by myself and worked three jobs
3. I had to buy my first car and subsequently, every other car that I have owned
4. I was not born athletically gifted
5. I am not outrageously smart

To whom to I place blame for all of this?

The answer is no one. I forged my own road with my own tools. I accept both my successes and my failures.

jstins said:

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Waco1947 said:

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80sBEAR said:

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Waco1947 said:

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White privilege is simply to be born white and walk in this world as a white. Being white in and of itself is all white privilege is about. Blacks walk around in black skin.
If you are white then imagine what it would be like to black all day and the next and then the next.

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My best friend is black. I just showed him this post and he suggested that you pack sand up your ass.

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I posted 10:26 and posted 1:42. Really? You called your black friend?

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Is 3 hours and 20 min not long enough to make a phone call?

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typo 10:26 - 10:42. 16minutes.

fadskier said:

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If I have privilege, I didn't ask for it. I can't help what color I was born, but if I have it, GREAT!

Here's a few privileges I wasn't born with (should I riot? Ask for reparations?)
1. I was not born into a wealthy family...
2. I had to pay for college by myself and worked three jobs
3. I had to buy my first car and subsequently, every other car that I have owned
4. I was not born athletically gifted
5. I am not outrageously smart

To whom to I place blame for all of this?

The answer is no one. I forged my own road with my own tools. I accept both my successes and my failures.

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. I could care not less what privileges you lack. The only privilege that counts is white skin

Edmond Bear said:

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pitchman said:

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Edmond Bear said:

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Waco1947 said:

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Edmond Bear said:

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Waco1947 said:

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Edmond Bear said:

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Waco1947 said:

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90sBear said:

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Waco1947 said:

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Ghostrider said:

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I'm guessing 47 knows about 3 black people

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and you would guess wrong. Re read what white privilege is and not what you think it is. Can you do that?

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You still have not defined what you think the privileges are or if you think people of other colors also have privileges based upon their skin color.

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. For instance I was born in Waco at Hillcrest. If a black child was born in Hillcrest it was probably in the segregated wing. When that black child started school it was in a segregated school and it stayed segregated until I graduated in 1966. We did not receive the same healthcare or education. When I rode the bus downtown blacks were in the back of the bus. I went to eat at El Chico's on the circle and it was whites only. I shopped at Gibson's and there were two water fountains Whie and Colored. At age 12 my family took a vacation to New Orleans and I saw billboards that said MLK was a communist Agitator. I went to an all white Methodist church and the black Methodists went to black churches. That mindset by whites is still predominantly alive in the south. I've over heard way too many conversations here 2017 that were blatantly racists. Whites felt they could talk that way because I was white. It was unguarded. Senator Tim Scott a black senator from SC has been pulled over 7 times and treated rudely by white officers. White privilege is real. But you will never see it until you empathize rather than argue. .

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To take your anecdotal experience and claim it represents everyone else's experience is a complete lie. You clearly have racist friends. If you hang around them then...

I do not have remotely the same experience as you and have not heard people talk like you in my presence in 30+ years. But, I don't claim that my personal experience represents everyone else's.

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My "anecdotal" experience in each and every case was reflective of a larger cultural context of racism and segregation. It was my experience in a racist and segregated society and for blacks it was devastating real.

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That's awesome for you. But by extending your personal experience to a "larger cultural context" you are stating that is also my experience.

That's a lie pastor.

In your response, you keep saying "was" which I can only assume reflects your personal experience in the 60's and 70's. I'm not arguing that experience, there are plenty of other people's anecdotes to support you.

I am absolutely stating that the atmosphere from the 60's and 70's does not exist today. Your description is not my experience and frankly you cannot state that your personal experience is more relevant than mine or anyone else's.

I'm just asking you to quit lying about my experience.

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are you white? If yes then of course it's not your cultural experience but it is the experience of African Americans every single damn day - not just 60s 70s.

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I'm not sure how you don't understand that you are stating an opinion as if it is a fact. And, your opinion is based on your own very limited experience in a very narrow part of the country.

I work with a variety of people; black, asian, indian, and on and on that don't experience what you describe. I run with black friends who own businesses or are in corporate management that don't experience what you describe.

You cannot take your little slice and assume that it is common for all others...especially since you apparently have very racist friends that you hang around. Frankly, that fact should make you step back and re-evaluate your own viewpoints.

If you are trying to correlate your personal anecdotal experience with what you see on the news or social media, you are just experiencing Confirmation Bias. You have a pre-conceived notion based on your anecdotal experience, see similar "experiences' on the news or social media, and select the ones that confirm your pre-existing bias.

You state that it is the experience of African-Americans every day but you should consider that this is the experience of African-Americans around you and your friends.

Look, I'm not saying that racism doesn't exist. It clearly does. I'm saying it is not all-encompassing like you are trying to describe by asserting that 'white privilege' exists. I would also add that racism exists for all races on all other races. To single modern whites out today as if there is something different about white people is asinine.

Edit: Let me walk something back. It is not so much racism that exists as it is cultural bias. I don't understand cultures that I have no experience with and my head/confirmation bias fills in the gaps with fears. That is common amongst all cultures and all people.

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Cultural bias plays a part, I am sure. However, I'm not sure how you can state that your minority friends have experienced no rascism. How do yo know? Really how could you know?
My Columbia masters and law graduate black BIL could argue that his wealth does nothing to erase his differening bones and pigment in a majority Western European descendant nation, but we can't help a natural survival instinct to stay with more Europeans as we feel safer amongst those that look like us. Look at our country and where we live and work. You can't stop "rascism" on a subconscious level, although we can all make independent judgments on individuals. So yes we can get along, I'm just saying it is genetically difficult for us.

Of course . as much of the "races" we discuss his n here are actually Caucasian(arabs, east Indians as long as you do not go too far south, and yes, Ethiopians), but I harp on and on about that aspect.

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Do your friends not talk to you? I've asked about it. Of course, I would hear about it.

Again, I'm not saying racism does not exist and I'm not saying my friends and co-workers have not experienced it. I am saying that:
1) is that it is not as pervasive as the pastor keeps noting
2) it may be as pervasive for him in his experience and I am saying that he cannot extend his experience to everyone
3) it goes both ways - as a white guy I have been discriminated against...and I don't mean in a general government sense but in a personal setting. But again, it's not pervasive
4) you people must live and work in some suck places. I feel bad for you that you are stuck in the 60's.

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It's foolish for a white guy to say "racism is not as pervasive as pastor thinks." You are not black and simply cannot experience it. But the issue is white privilege which for the 10th time is simply being white. Others whites treat whites differently than blacks.

Waco1947 said:

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fadskier said:

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If I have privilege, I didn't ask for it. I can't help what color I was born, but if I have it, GREAT!

Here's a few privileges I wasn't born with (should I riot? Ask for reparations?)
1. I was not born into a wealthy family...
2. I had to pay for college by myself and worked three jobs
3. I had to buy my first car and subsequently, every other car that I have owned
4. I was not born athletically gifted
5. I am not outrageously smart

To whom to I place blame for all of this?

The answer is no one. I forged my own road with my own tools. I accept both my successes and my failures.

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. I could care not less what privileges you lack. The only privilege that counts is white skin

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and I've got it! Yea for me!!!!!

Waco1947 said:

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fadskier said:

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If I have privilege, I didn't ask for it. I can't help what color I was born, but if I have it, GREAT!

Here's a few privileges I wasn't born with (should I riot? Ask for reparations?)
1. I was not born into a wealthy family...
2. I had to pay for college by myself and worked three jobs
3. I had to buy my first car and subsequently, every other car that I have owned
4. I was not born athletically gifted
5. I am not outrageously smart

To whom to I place blame for all of this?

The answer is no one. I forged my own road with my own tools. I accept both my successes and my failures.

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. I could care not less what privileges you lack. The only privilege that counts is white skin

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The only privilege that counts in this world is white skin? Are these still mostly the same anecdotal privileges you experienced over 50 years ago?

Waco1947 said:

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Edmond Bear said:

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pitchman said:

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Edmond Bear said:

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Waco1947 said:

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Edmond Bear said:

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Waco1947 said:

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Edmond Bear said:

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Waco1947 said:

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90sBear said:

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Waco1947 said:

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Ghostrider said:

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I'm guessing 47 knows about 3 black people

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and you would guess wrong. Re read what white privilege is and not what you think it is. Can you do that?

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You still have not defined what you think the privileges are or if you think people of other colors also have privileges based upon their skin color.

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. For instance I was born in Waco at Hillcrest. If a black child was born in Hillcrest it was probably in the segregated wing. When that black child started school it was in a segregated school and it stayed segregated until I graduated in 1966. We did not receive the same healthcare or education. When I rode the bus downtown blacks were in the back of the bus. I went to eat at El Chico's on the circle and it was whites only. I shopped at Gibson's and there were two water fountains Whie and Colored. At age 12 my family took a vacation to New Orleans and I saw billboards that said MLK was a communist Agitator. I went to an all white Methodist church and the black Methodists went to black churches. That mindset by whites is still predominantly alive in the south. I've over heard way too many conversations here 2017 that were blatantly racists. Whites felt they could talk that way because I was white. It was unguarded. Senator Tim Scott a black senator from SC has been pulled over 7 times and treated rudely by white officers. White privilege is real. But you will never see it until you empathize rather than argue. .

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To take your anecdotal experience and claim it represents everyone else's experience is a complete lie. You clearly have racist friends. If you hang around them then...

I do not have remotely the same experience as you and have not heard people talk like you in my presence in 30+ years. But, I don't claim that my personal experience represents everyone else's.

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My "anecdotal" experience in each and every case was reflective of a larger cultural context of racism and segregation. It was my experience in a racist and segregated society and for blacks it was devastating real.

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That's awesome for you. But by extending your personal experience to a "larger cultural context" you are stating that is also my experience.

That's a lie pastor.

In your response, you keep saying "was" which I can only assume reflects your personal experience in the 60's and 70's. I'm not arguing that experience, there are plenty of other people's anecdotes to support you.

I am absolutely stating that the atmosphere from the 60's and 70's does not exist today. Your description is not my experience and frankly you cannot state that your personal experience is more relevant than mine or anyone else's.

I'm just asking you to quit lying about my experience.

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are you white? If yes then of course it's not your cultural experience but it is the experience of African Americans every single damn day - not just 60s 70s.

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I'm not sure how you don't understand that you are stating an opinion as if it is a fact. And, your opinion is based on your own very limited experience in a very narrow part of the country.

I work with a variety of people; black, asian, indian, and on and on that don't experience what you describe. I run with black friends who own businesses or are in corporate management that don't experience what you describe.

You cannot take your little slice and assume that it is common for all others...especially since you apparently have very racist friends that you hang around. Frankly, that fact should make you step back and re-evaluate your own viewpoints.

If you are trying to correlate your personal anecdotal experience with what you see on the news or social media, you are just experiencing Confirmation Bias. You have a pre-conceived notion based on your anecdotal experience, see similar "experiences' on the news or social media, and select the ones that confirm your pre-existing bias.

You state that it is the experience of African-Americans every day but you should consider that this is the experience of African-Americans around you and your friends.

Look, I'm not saying that racism doesn't exist. It clearly does. I'm saying it is not all-encompassing like you are trying to describe by asserting that 'white privilege' exists. I would also add that racism exists for all races on all other races. To single modern whites out today as if there is something different about white people is asinine.

Edit: Let me walk something back. It is not so much racism that exists as it is cultural bias. I don't understand cultures that I have no experience with and my head/confirmation bias fills in the gaps with fears. That is common amongst all cultures and all people.

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Cultural bias plays a part, I am sure. However, I'm not sure how you can state that your minority friends have experienced no rascism. How do yo know? Really how could you know?
My Columbia masters and law graduate black BIL could argue that his wealth does nothing to erase his differening bones and pigment in a majority Western European descendant nation, but we can't help a natural survival instinct to stay with more Europeans as we feel safer amongst those that look like us. Look at our country and where we live and work. You can't stop "rascism" on a subconscious level, although we can all make independent judgments on individuals. So yes we can get along, I'm just saying it is genetically difficult for us.

Of course . as much of the "races" we discuss his n here are actually Caucasian(arabs, east Indians as long as you do not go too far south, and yes, Ethiopians), but I harp on and on about that aspect.

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Do your friends not talk to you? I've asked about it. Of course, I would hear about it.

Again, I'm not saying racism does not exist and I'm not saying my friends and co-workers have not experienced it. I am saying that:
1) is that it is not as pervasive as the pastor keeps noting
2) it may be as pervasive for him in his experience and I am saying that he cannot extend his experience to everyone
3) it goes both ways - as a white guy I have been discriminated against...and I don't mean in a general government sense but in a personal setting. But again, it's not pervasive
4) you people must live and work in some suck places. I feel bad for you that you are stuck in the 60's.

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It's foolish for a white guy to say "racism is not as pervasive as pastor thinks." You are not black and simply cannot experience it. But the issue is white privilege which for the 10th time is simply being white. Others whites treat whites differently than blacks.

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Welp, I feel like I have clearly made my case and you are not interested in considering any opinion but your own preconceived, very narrow notions. I am satisfied to let others judge the arguments.

Waco1947 said:

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Edmond Bear said:

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pitchman said:

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Edmond Bear said:

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Waco1947 said:

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Edmond Bear said:

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Waco1947 said:

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Edmond Bear said:

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Waco1947 said:

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90sBear said:

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Waco1947 said:

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Ghostrider said:

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I'm guessing 47 knows about 3 black people

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and you would guess wrong. Re read what white privilege is and not what you think it is. Can you do that?

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You still have not defined what you think the privileges are or if you think people of other colors also have privileges based upon their skin color.

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. For instance I was born in Waco at Hillcrest. If a black child was born in Hillcrest it was probably in the segregated wing. When that black child started school it was in a segregated school and it stayed segregated until I graduated in 1966. We did not receive the same healthcare or education. When I rode the bus downtown blacks were in the back of the bus. I went to eat at El Chico's on the circle and it was whites only. I shopped at Gibson's and there were two water fountains Whie and Colored. At age 12 my family took a vacation to New Orleans and I saw billboards that said MLK was a communist Agitator. I went to an all white Methodist church and the black Methodists went to black churches. That mindset by whites is still predominantly alive in the south. I've over heard way too many conversations here 2017 that were blatantly racists. Whites felt they could talk that way because I was white. It was unguarded. Senator Tim Scott a black senator from SC has been pulled over 7 times and treated rudely by white officers. White privilege is real. But you will never see it until you empathize rather than argue. .

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To take your anecdotal experience and claim it represents everyone else's experience is a complete lie. You clearly have racist friends. If you hang around them then...

I do not have remotely the same experience as you and have not heard people talk like you in my presence in 30+ years. But, I don't claim that my personal experience represents everyone else's.

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My "anecdotal" experience in each and every case was reflective of a larger cultural context of racism and segregation. It was my experience in a racist and segregated society and for blacks it was devastating real.

---

That's awesome for you. But by extending your personal experience to a "larger cultural context" you are stating that is also my experience.

That's a lie pastor.

In your response, you keep saying "was" which I can only assume reflects your personal experience in the 60's and 70's. I'm not arguing that experience, there are plenty of other people's anecdotes to support you.

I am absolutely stating that the atmosphere from the 60's and 70's does not exist today. Your description is not my experience and frankly you cannot state that your personal experience is more relevant than mine or anyone else's.

I'm just asking you to quit lying about my experience.

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are you white? If yes then of course it's not your cultural experience but it is the experience of African Americans every single damn day - not just 60s 70s.

---

I'm not sure how you don't understand that you are stating an opinion as if it is a fact. And, your opinion is based on your own very limited experience in a very narrow part of the country.

I work with a variety of people; black, asian, indian, and on and on that don't experience what you describe. I run with black friends who own businesses or are in corporate management that don't experience what you describe.

You cannot take your little slice and assume that it is common for all others...especially since you apparently have very racist friends that you hang around. Frankly, that fact should make you step back and re-evaluate your own viewpoints.

If you are trying to correlate your personal anecdotal experience with what you see on the news or social media, you are just experiencing Confirmation Bias. You have a pre-conceived notion based on your anecdotal experience, see similar "experiences' on the news or social media, and select the ones that confirm your pre-existing bias.

You state that it is the experience of African-Americans every day but you should consider that this is the experience of African-Americans around you and your friends.

Look, I'm not saying that racism doesn't exist. It clearly does. I'm saying it is not all-encompassing like you are trying to describe by asserting that 'white privilege' exists. I would also add that racism exists for all races on all other races. To single modern whites out today as if there is something different about white people is asinine.

Edit: Let me walk something back. It is not so much racism that exists as it is cultural bias. I don't understand cultures that I have no experience with and my head/confirmation bias fills in the gaps with fears. That is common amongst all cultures and all people.

---

Cultural bias plays a part, I am sure. However, I'm not sure how you can state that your minority friends have experienced no rascism. How do yo know? Really how could you know?
My Columbia masters and law graduate black BIL could argue that his wealth does nothing to erase his differening bones and pigment in a majority Western European descendant nation, but we can't help a natural survival instinct to stay with more Europeans as we feel safer amongst those that look like us. Look at our country and where we live and work. You can't stop "rascism" on a subconscious level, although we can all make independent judgments on individuals. So yes we can get along, I'm just saying it is genetically difficult for us.

Of course . as much of the "races" we discuss his n here are actually Caucasian(arabs, east Indians as long as you do not go too far south, and yes, Ethiopians), but I harp on and on about that aspect.

---

Do your friends not talk to you? I've asked about it. Of course, I would hear about it.

Again, I'm not saying racism does not exist and I'm not saying my friends and co-workers have not experienced it. I am saying that:
1) is that it is not as pervasive as the pastor keeps noting
2) it may be as pervasive for him in his experience and I am saying that he cannot extend his experience to everyone
3) it goes both ways - as a white guy I have been discriminated against...and I don't mean in a general government sense but in a personal setting. But again, it's not pervasive
4) you people must live and work in some suck places. I feel bad for you that you are stuck in the 60's.

---

It's foolish for a white guy to say "racism is not as pervasive as pastor thinks." You are not black and simply cannot experience it. But the issue is white privilege which for the 10th time is simply being white. Others whites treat whites differently than blacks.

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Why is it any less foolish for you to say what the experience is for all blacks when you are not black? Is it OK for blacks to treat other blacks differently than whites?

Waco1947 said:

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fadskier said:

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If I have privilege, I didn't ask for it. I can't help what color I was born, but if I have it, GREAT!

Here's a few privileges I wasn't born with (should I riot? Ask for reparations?)
1. I was not born into a wealthy family...
2. I had to pay for college by myself and worked three jobs
3. I had to buy my first car and subsequently, every other car that I have owned
4. I was not born athletically gifted
5. I am not outrageously smart

To whom to I place blame for all of this?

The answer is no one. I forged my own road with my own tools. I accept both my successes and my failures.

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. I could care not less what privileges you lack. The only privilege that counts is white skin

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You are such a tool of your own making.

90sBear said:

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Waco1947 said:

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Edmond Bear said:

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pitchman said:

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Edmond Bear said:

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Waco1947 said:

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Edmond Bear said:

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Waco1947 said:

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Edmond Bear said:

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Waco1947 said:

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90sBear said:

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Waco1947 said:

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Ghostrider said:

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I'm guessing 47 knows about 3 black people

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and you would guess wrong. Re read what white privilege is and not what you think it is. Can you do that?

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You still have not defined what you think the privileges are or if you think people of other colors also have privileges based upon their skin color.

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. For instance I was born in Waco at Hillcrest. If a black child was born in Hillcrest it was probably in the segregated wing. When that black child started school it was in a segregated school and it stayed segregated until I graduated in 1966. We did not receive the same healthcare or education. When I rode the bus downtown blacks were in the back of the bus. I went to eat at El Chico's on the circle and it was whites only. I shopped at Gibson's and there were two water fountains Whie and Colored. At age 12 my family took a vacation to New Orleans and I saw billboards that said MLK was a communist Agitator. I went to an all white Methodist church and the black Methodists went to black churches. That mindset by whites is still predominantly alive in the south. I've over heard way too many conversations here 2017 that were blatantly racists. Whites felt they could talk that way because I was white. It was unguarded. Senator Tim Scott a black senator from SC has been pulled over 7 times and treated rudely by white officers. White privilege is real. But you will never see it until you empathize rather than argue. .

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To take your anecdotal experience and claim it represents everyone else's experience is a complete lie. You clearly have racist friends. If you hang around them then...

I do not have remotely the same experience as you and have not heard people talk like you in my presence in 30+ years. But, I don't claim that my personal experience represents everyone else's.

---

My "anecdotal" experience in each and every case was reflective of a larger cultural context of racism and segregation. It was my experience in a racist and segregated society and for blacks it was devastating real.

---

That's awesome for you. But by extending your personal experience to a "larger cultural context" you are stating that is also my experience.

That's a lie pastor.

In your response, you keep saying "was" which I can only assume reflects your personal experience in the 60's and 70's. I'm not arguing that experience, there are plenty of other people's anecdotes to support you.

I am absolutely stating that the atmosphere from the 60's and 70's does not exist today. Your description is not my experience and frankly you cannot state that your personal experience is more relevant than mine or anyone else's.

I'm just asking you to quit lying about my experience.

---

are you white? If yes then of course it's not your cultural experience but it is the experience of African Americans every single damn day - not just 60s 70s.

---

I'm not sure how you don't understand that you are stating an opinion as if it is a fact. And, your opinion is based on your own very limited experience in a very narrow part of the country.

I work with a variety of people; black, asian, indian, and on and on that don't experience what you describe. I run with black friends who own businesses or are in corporate management that don't experience what you describe.

You cannot take your little slice and assume that it is common for all others...especially since you apparently have very racist friends that you hang around. Frankly, that fact should make you step back and re-evaluate your own viewpoints.

If you are trying to correlate your personal anecdotal experience with what you see on the news or social media, you are just experiencing Confirmation Bias. You have a pre-conceived notion based on your anecdotal experience, see similar "experiences' on the news or social media, and select the ones that confirm your pre-existing bias.

You state that it is the experience of African-Americans every day but you should consider that this is the experience of African-Americans around you and your friends.

Look, I'm not saying that racism doesn't exist. It clearly does. I'm saying it is not all-encompassing like you are trying to describe by asserting that 'white privilege' exists. I would also add that racism exists for all races on all other races. To single modern whites out today as if there is something different about white people is asinine.

Edit: Let me walk something back. It is not so much racism that exists as it is cultural bias. I don't understand cultures that I have no experience with and my head/confirmation bias fills in the gaps with fears. That is common amongst all cultures and all people.

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Cultural bias plays a part, I am sure. However, I'm not sure how you can state that your minority friends have experienced no rascism. How do yo know? Really how could you know?
My Columbia masters and law graduate black BIL could argue that his wealth does nothing to erase his differening bones and pigment in a majority Western European descendant nation, but we can't help a natural survival instinct to stay with more Europeans as we feel safer amongst those that look like us. Look at our country and where we live and work. You can't stop "rascism" on a subconscious level, although we can all make independent judgments on individuals. So yes we can get along, I'm just saying it is genetically difficult for us.

Of course . as much of the "races" we discuss his n here are actually Caucasian(arabs, east Indians as long as you do not go too far south, and yes, Ethiopians), but I harp on and on about that aspect.

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Do your friends not talk to you? I've asked about it. Of course, I would hear about it.

Again, I'm not saying racism does not exist and I'm not saying my friends and co-workers have not experienced it. I am saying that:
1) is that it is not as pervasive as the pastor keeps noting
2) it may be as pervasive for him in his experience and I am saying that he cannot extend his experience to everyone
3) it goes both ways - as a white guy I have been discriminated against...and I don't mean in a general government sense but in a personal setting. But again, it's not pervasive
4) you people must live and work in some suck places. I feel bad for you that you are stuck in the 60's.

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It's foolish for a white guy to say "racism is not as pervasive as pastor thinks." You are not black and simply cannot experience it. But the issue is white privilege which for the 10th time is simply being white. Others whites treat whites differently than blacks.

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Why is it any less foolish for you to say what the experience is for all blacks when you are not black? Is it OK for blacks to treat other blacks differently than whites?

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Only if it's in a group setting with '47 around, and they call them Uncle Tom.

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I'm guessing 47 knows about 3 black people

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and you would guess wrong. Re read what white privilege is and not what you think it is. Can you do that?

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You still have not defined what you think the privileges are or if you think people of other colors also have privileges based upon their skin color.

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. For instance I was born in Waco at Hillcrest. If a black child was born in Hillcrest it was probably in the segregated wing. When that black child started school it was in a segregated school and it stayed segregated until I graduated in 1966. We did not receive the same healthcare or education. When I rode the bus downtown blacks were in the back of the bus. I went to eat at El Chico's on the circle and it was whites only. I shopped at Gibson's and there were two water fountains Whie and Colored. At age 12 my family took a vacation to New Orleans and I saw billboards that said MLK was a communist Agitator. I went to an all white Methodist church and the black Methodists went to black churches. That mindset by whites is still predominantly alive in the south. I've over heard way too many conversations here 2017 that were blatantly racists. Whites felt they could talk that way because I was white. It was unguarded. Senator Tim Scott a black senator from SC has been pulled over 7 times and treated rudely by white officers. White privilege is real. But you will never see it until you empathize rather than argue. .

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To take your anecdotal experience and claim it represents everyone else's experience is a complete lie. You clearly have racist friends. If you hang around them then...

I do not have remotely the same experience as you and have not heard people talk like you in my presence in 30+ years. But, I don't claim that my personal experience represents everyone else's.

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My "anecdotal" experience in each and every case was reflective of a larger cultural context of racism and segregation. It was my experience in a racist and segregated society and for blacks it was devastating real.

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That's awesome for you. But by extending your personal experience to a "larger cultural context" you are stating that is also my experience.

That's a lie pastor.

In your response, you keep saying "was" which I can only assume reflects your personal experience in the 60's and 70's. I'm not arguing that experience, there are plenty of other people's anecdotes to support you.

I am absolutely stating that the atmosphere from the 60's and 70's does not exist today. Your description is not my experience and frankly you cannot state that your personal experience is more relevant than mine or anyone else's.

I'm just asking you to quit lying about my experience.

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are you white? If yes then of course it's not your cultural experience but it is the experience of African Americans every single damn day - not just 60s 70s.

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I'm not sure how you don't understand that you are stating an opinion as if it is a fact. And, your opinion is based on your own very limited experience in a very narrow part of the country.

I work with a variety of people; black, asian, indian, and on and on that don't experience what you describe. I run with black friends who own businesses or are in corporate management that don't experience what you describe.

You cannot take your little slice and assume that it is common for all others...especially since you apparently have very racist friends that you hang around. Frankly, that fact should make you step back and re-evaluate your own viewpoints.

If you are trying to correlate your personal anecdotal experience with what you see on the news or social media, you are just experiencing Confirmation Bias. You have a pre-conceived notion based on your anecdotal experience, see similar "experiences' on the news or social media, and select the ones that confirm your pre-existing bias.

You state that it is the experience of African-Americans every day but you should consider that this is the experience of African-Americans around you and your friends.

Look, I'm not saying that racism doesn't exist. It clearly does. I'm saying it is not all-encompassing like you are trying to describe by asserting that 'white privilege' exists. I would also add that racism exists for all races on all other races. To single modern whites out today as if there is something different about white people is asinine.

Edit: Let me walk something back. It is not so much racism that exists as it is cultural bias. I don't understand cultures that I have no experience with and my head/confirmation bias fills in the gaps with fears. That is common amongst all cultures and all people.

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Cultural bias plays a part, I am sure. However, I'm not sure how you can state that your minority friends have experienced no rascism. How do yo know? Really how could you know?
My Columbia masters and law graduate black BIL could argue that his wealth does nothing to erase his differening bones and pigment in a majority Western European descendant nation, but we can't help a natural survival instinct to stay with more Europeans as we feel safer amongst those that look like us. Look at our country and where we live and work. You can't stop "rascism" on a subconscious level, although we can all make independent judgments on individuals. So yes we can get along, I'm just saying it is genetically difficult for us.

Of course . as much of the "races" we discuss his n here are actually Caucasian(arabs, east Indians as long as you do not go too far south, and yes, Ethiopians), but I harp on and on about that aspect.

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Do your friends not talk to you? I've asked about it. Of course, I would hear about it.

Again, I'm not saying racism does not exist and I'm not saying my friends and co-workers have not experienced it. I am saying that:
1) is that it is not as pervasive as the pastor keeps noting
2) it may be as pervasive for him in his experience and I am saying that he cannot extend his experience to everyone
3) it goes both ways - as a white guy I have been discriminated against...and I don't mean in a general government sense but in a personal setting. But again, it's not pervasive
4) you people must live and work in some suck places. I feel bad for you that you are stuck in the 60's.

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It's foolish for a white guy to say "racism is not as pervasive as pastor thinks." You are not black and simply cannot experience it. But the issue is white privilege which for the 10th time is simply being white. Others whites treat whites differently than blacks.

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"Other whites treat whites differently than blacks."

I gotta say, that's a pretty sick statement and for most of us patently false. Pastor, I'm being honest here and mean this with love, you should find a counselor that can help you work through your issues.

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Another troll post by 47 that has no intent other than to further divide. So sad that some people are this pathetic.

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"Troll" "pathetic yet no reasoning as to why the premise is wrong. White skin is white privilege. Can you deny that truth?

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You started this thread with no reasoning as to why the premise is true. Support your own premise from the beginning before you criticize others for not providing an intelligent response.

I may not always agree with Tommie, but I respect his posting and ability to have a conversation.

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The premise is white skin is white privilege. The reasoning is to empathize and be black in your imagination In your imagination go to a restaurant with a white wife; go to the soccer field with your biracial children, walk a white neighborhood, drive a white neighbor. Black in a white culture is a different experience. Can you see that?

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more white privilege; https://rtd.rt.com/films/albino-africadoc/