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I'm waiting for the indictments for all this voter fraud.

Were still in the statute of limitations.

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No, you aren't waiting for anything. If more came you'd claim it was political prosecution. Even now I'm sure you're having nightmares about Fulton county not being able to hold on to their ballots from 2020z lol Hide and watch.

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That's silliness. And I know you don't believe that... He would have won consecutive terms and not lost to Biden in the interim if "Democrats ' or whatever bogeyman term you wanna use is accurate.

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Hold on to your hat, there are around 150,000,000ish Americans who think he did in fact win consecutive terms. Crazy right? People using evidence and Occam's razor instead of just repeating what they've been told...

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Oh, Geez, give it up! There is no evidence Trump won. Please stop with the BS.

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Sure buddy. The dementia patient found 80,000,000 votes that somehow disappeared with election oversight. Lol

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Evidence, you know the stuff that stands up in court. Not your suppositions.

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P.T. Barnum had a saying about folks like you...

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Say the man believing conspiracy theories?

5 years, nothing. The last year Trump in power, nothing.

You may want to use that mirror about the PT Barnum quote...

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Wangchung said:

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Wangchung said:

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Wangchung said:

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"Bububut... MEAN TWEETS!!!"

https://www.facebook.com/share/1DhtXU9ArM/

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Portraying the Obamas as apes was just plain wrong. No amount of whataboutism makes it acceptable. Trump should have manned up and apologized.

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Man **** the Obamas. They call me and half the country worse. Save that fake outrage for someone who didn't watch democrats try to murder Trump TWICE. He can post all the "Obamas are monkeys" memes he likes.

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When it comes to Trump, I am no longer outraged by anything he says. His a $ $ hole behavior is just expected. Kinda sad so many so-called Conservatives find his behavior acceptable and even encourage it.

This is one of the key reasons the Republicans will lose the House and the Senate later this year. Mostly self-inflicted wounds.

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Ah yes, the ol, "Republicans will lose votes if they don't cower before the democrats!" trope.

Trump is an ass. He is only in office as a response to democrats blatant corruption and the spineless republicans who let them run free or join them in corruption. I'd bet money none of you hand wringers said a damn word when W was shown as a monkey, repeatedly, and you didn't say **** when Trump was shown as an orangutan . **** your fake outrage.

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Haha Trump is in office because his admin and sychophants has done an AMAZING job in convincing the poor and uneducated white man that the brown man .. and black man.. is responsible for their plight.

Why anyone else.. the educated or middle to upper class supports him .. that's for you to answer..

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The irony of your post is I could ask you to name five policies of President Trump that you oppose ... and you cannot. But thanks for the silly Talking Points.

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Speaking of silly talking points, name five policies of President Trump that you support......

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Wangchung said:

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"Bububut... MEAN TWEETS!!!"

https://www.facebook.com/share/1DhtXU9ArM/

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Portraying the Obamas as apes was just plain wrong. No amount of whataboutism makes it acceptable. Trump should have manned up and apologized.

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Man **** the Obamas. They call me and half the country worse. Save that fake outrage for someone who didn't watch democrats try to murder Trump TWICE. He can post all the "Obamas are monkeys" memes he likes.

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Quote and link?

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An insult to apes.

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Scott's what the hell is wrong with you.

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Nothing. Michelle/Big Mike is a very bitter person and Obama's policies were crap.

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Then say you disagreed with his policies. Cheerleading racism is a sin-recognize it.

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Wangchung said:

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Wangchung said:

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"Bububut... MEAN TWEETS!!!"

https://www.facebook.com/share/1DhtXU9ArM/

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Portraying the Obamas as apes was just plain wrong. No amount of whataboutism makes it acceptable. Trump should have manned up and apologized.

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Man **** the Obamas. They call me and half the country worse. Save that fake outrage for someone who didn't watch democrats try to murder Trump TWICE. He can post all the "Obamas are monkeys" memes he likes.

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Quote and link?

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I'm referencing multiple speeches and comments from his 8 years in office. Totally unsurprising that you're pretending they didn't insult half the country regularly.

Wangchung said:

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Frank Galvin said:

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Wangchung said:

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Wangchung said:

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"Bububut... MEAN TWEETS!!!"

https://www.facebook.com/share/1DhtXU9ArM/

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Portraying the Obamas as apes was just plain wrong. No amount of whataboutism makes it acceptable. Trump should have manned up and apologized.

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Man **** the Obamas. They call me and half the country worse. Save that fake outrage for someone who didn't watch democrats try to murder Trump TWICE. He can post all the "Obamas are monkeys" memes he likes.

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Quote and link?

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I'm referencing multiple speeches and comments from his 8 years in office. Totally unsurprising that you're pretending they didn't insult half the country regularly.

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Typical-"I feel this way so it must have been true."

Obama's language was almost always careful and spoke for a united America. He certainly never did or said anything within the same universe as implying that a race of of human beings was sub-human.

I think what you are remembering is that Obama often used facts and legit history, which I know is difficult for many on this fourm to deal with.

The worst I can recall was the "clinging to their guns and religon" comment. That was condescending, although it turned out to be true. It was also not said when he was president, was not meant for public circulation, and Obama apologized. if you think he said something while holding officeanywhere close to as divisive as what the Trump post said, I would love to know what it was.

Frank Galvin said:

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Wangchung said:

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Frank Galvin said:

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Wangchung said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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Wangchung said:

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"Bububut... MEAN TWEETS!!!"

https://www.facebook.com/share/1DhtXU9ArM/

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Portraying the Obamas as apes was just plain wrong. No amount of whataboutism makes it acceptable. Trump should have manned up and apologized.

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Man **** the Obamas. They call me and half the country worse. Save that fake outrage for someone who didn't watch democrats try to murder Trump TWICE. He can post all the "Obamas are monkeys" memes he likes.

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Quote and link?

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I'm referencing multiple speeches and comments from his 8 years in office. Totally unsurprising that you're pretending they didn't insult half the country regularly.

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Typical-"I feel this way so it must have been true."

Obama's language was almost always careful and spoke for a united America. He certainly never did or said anything within the same universe as implying that a race of of human beings was sub-human.

I think what you are remembering is that Obama often used facts and legit history, which I know is difficult for many on this fourm to deal with.

The worst I can recall was the "clinging to their guns and religon" comment. That was condescending, although it turned out to be true. It was also not said when he was president, was not meant for public circulation, and Obama apologized. if you think he said something while holding officeanywhere close to as divisive as what the Trump post said, I would love to know what it was.

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"All duh mean stuff Obama said was true so that doesn't count! He was WELL SPOKEN!" Lol, typical lying democrat.

Wangchung said:

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Frank Galvin said:

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Wangchung said:

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Frank Galvin said:

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Wangchung said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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Wangchung said:

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"Bububut... MEAN TWEETS!!!"

https://www.facebook.com/share/1DhtXU9ArM/

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Portraying the Obamas as apes was just plain wrong. No amount of whataboutism makes it acceptable. Trump should have manned up and apologized.

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Man **** the Obamas. They call me and half the country worse. Save that fake outrage for someone who didn't watch democrats try to murder Trump TWICE. He can post all the "Obamas are monkeys" memes he likes.

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Quote and link?

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I'm referencing multiple speeches and comments from his 8 years in office. Totally unsurprising that you're pretending they didn't insult half the country regularly.

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Typical-"I feel this way so it must have been true."

Obama's language was almost always careful and spoke for a united America. He certainly never did or said anything within the same universe as implying that a race of of human beings was sub-human.

I think what you are remembering is that Obama often used facts and legit history, which I know is difficult for many on this fourm to deal with.

The worst I can recall was the "clinging to their guns and religon" comment. That was condescending, although it turned out to be true. It was also not said when he was president, was not meant for public circulation, and Obama apologized. if you think he said something while holding officeanywhere close to as divisive as what the Trump post said, I would love to know what it was.

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"All duh mean stuff Obama said was true so that doesn't count! He was WELL SPOKEN!" Lol, typical lying democrat.

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Again, arguments are more powerful when they have evidence. What speeches or comments are you talking about?

Frank Galvin said:

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Wangchung said:

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Frank Galvin said:

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Wangchung said:

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Frank Galvin said:

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Wangchung said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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Wangchung said:

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"Bububut... MEAN TWEETS!!!"

https://www.facebook.com/share/1DhtXU9ArM/

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Portraying the Obamas as apes was just plain wrong. No amount of whataboutism makes it acceptable. Trump should have manned up and apologized.

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Man **** the Obamas. They call me and half the country worse. Save that fake outrage for someone who didn't watch democrats try to murder Trump TWICE. He can post all the "Obamas are monkeys" memes he likes.

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Quote and link?

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I'm referencing multiple speeches and comments from his 8 years in office. Totally unsurprising that you're pretending they didn't insult half the country regularly.

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Typical-"I feel this way so it must have been true."

Obama's language was almost always careful and spoke for a united America. He certainly never did or said anything within the same universe as implying that a race of of human beings was sub-human.

I think what you are remembering is that Obama often used facts and legit history, which I know is difficult for many on this fourm to deal with.

The worst I can recall was the "clinging to their guns and religon" comment. That was condescending, although it turned out to be true. It was also not said when he was president, was not meant for public circulation, and Obama apologized. if you think he said something while holding officeanywhere close to as divisive as what the Trump post said, I would love to know what it was.

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"All duh mean stuff Obama said was true so that doesn't count! He was WELL SPOKEN!" Lol, typical lying democrat.

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Again, arguments are more powerful when they have evidence. What speeches or comments are you talking about?

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Pick any of his speeches about police dealing with black criminals. Or his speeches outright insulting christian Americans. Or Michael's speeches claiming America was just a bunch of evil racists. You fell for oration skills and ignored the actual substance, like most Obama voters did.

FLBear5630 said:

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Johnny Bear said:

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Wangchung said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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Wangchung said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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Wangchung said:

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"Bububut... MEAN TWEETS!!!"

https://www.facebook.com/share/1DhtXU9ArM/

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Portraying the Obamas as apes was just plain wrong. No amount of whataboutism makes it acceptable. Trump should have manned up and apologized.

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Man **** the Obamas. They call me and half the country worse. Save that fake outrage for someone who didn't watch democrats try to murder Trump TWICE. He can post all the "Obamas are monkeys" memes he likes.

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When it comes to Trump, I am no longer outraged by anything he says. His a $ $ hole behavior is just expected. Kinda sad so many so-called Conservatives find his behavior acceptable and even encourage it.

This is one of the key reasons the Republicans will lose the House and the Senate later this year. Mostly self-inflicted wounds.

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Ah yes, the ol, "Republicans will lose votes if they don't cower before the democrats!" trope.

Trump is an ass. He is only in office as a response to democrats blatant corruption and the spineless republicans who let them run free or join them in corruption. I'd bet money none of you hand wringers said a damn word when W was shown as a monkey, repeatedly, and you didn't say **** when Trump was shown as an orangutan . **** your fake outrage.

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Not outraged near as much as I am embarrassed. Embarrassed for our country.

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Nowhere near as embarrassing as the 4 years of dementia Joe.

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8 years of dementia doesn't make it better...

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You can irrationally can hate on Trump all you want, but to imply some kind of equivalence with his cognitive state and Biden's is indescribably assinine. I promise you'll never see anything like a staffer dressed as the Easter Bunny leading Trump around and protecting him from the press.

Johnny Bear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Johnny Bear said:

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Wangchung said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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Wangchung said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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Wangchung said:

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"Bububut... MEAN TWEETS!!!"

https://www.facebook.com/share/1DhtXU9ArM/

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Portraying the Obamas as apes was just plain wrong. No amount of whataboutism makes it acceptable. Trump should have manned up and apologized.

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Man **** the Obamas. They call me and half the country worse. Save that fake outrage for someone who didn't watch democrats try to murder Trump TWICE. He can post all the "Obamas are monkeys" memes he likes.

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When it comes to Trump, I am no longer outraged by anything he says. His a $ $ hole behavior is just expected. Kinda sad so many so-called Conservatives find his behavior acceptable and even encourage it.

This is one of the key reasons the Republicans will lose the House and the Senate later this year. Mostly self-inflicted wounds.

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Ah yes, the ol, "Republicans will lose votes if they don't cower before the democrats!" trope.

Trump is an ass. He is only in office as a response to democrats blatant corruption and the spineless republicans who let them run free or join them in corruption. I'd bet money none of you hand wringers said a damn word when W was shown as a monkey, repeatedly, and you didn't say **** when Trump was shown as an orangutan . **** your fake outrage.

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Not outraged near as much as I am embarrassed. Embarrassed for our country.

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Nowhere near as embarrassing as the 4 years of dementia Joe.

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8 years of dementia doesn't make it better...

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You can irrationally can hate on Trump all you want, but to imply some kind of equivalence with his cognitive state and Biden's is indescribably assinine. I promise you'll never see anything like a staffer dressed as the Easter Bunny leading Trump around and protecting him from the press.

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I don't know how to respond to that... Actually, the fact that I am sitting here thinking about it says volumes.

Been a rough decade.

Forest Bueller III said:

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Frank Galvin said:

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Wangchung said:

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Frank Galvin said:

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Wangchung said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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Wangchung said:

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"Bububut... MEAN TWEETS!!!"

https://www.facebook.com/share/1DhtXU9ArM/

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Portraying the Obamas as apes was just plain wrong. No amount of whataboutism makes it acceptable. Trump should have manned up and apologized.

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Man **** the Obamas. They call me and half the country worse. Save that fake outrage for someone who didn't watch democrats try to murder Trump TWICE. He can post all the "Obamas are monkeys" memes he likes.

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Quote and link?

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I'm referencing multiple speeches and comments from his 8 years in office. Totally unsurprising that you're pretending they didn't insult half the country regularly.

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Typical-"I feel this way so it must have been true."

Obama's language was almost always careful and spoke for a united America. He certainly never did or said anything within the same universe as implying that a race of of human beings was sub-human.

I think what you are remembering is that Obama often used facts and legit history, which I know is difficult for many on this fourm to deal with.

The worst I can recall was the "clinging to their guns and religon" comment. That was condescending, although it turned out to be true. It was also not said when he was president, was not meant for public circulation, and Obama apologized. if you think he said something while holding officeanywhere close to as divisive as what the Trump post said, I would love to know what it was.

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This part I will disagree with, he made the remarks at a Fundraiser in San Franscisco and he was being recorded. So of course it was meant for public circulation.

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And it's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy toward people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.

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He was speaking specifically about small town Pennsylvania folks. Honestly a lot of this is wrong. Small town folks by and large are less racist than city folks. That is my "lived experience" as people like to say.

City folks are better at virtue signaling that they aren't racist, country folks are better at actually living with and befriending and having folks in their house, not like them. This has proven true in every small town I've lived in.

And listening to Mrs. Obama and her podcast she doesn't seem to do very well with liking people who "aren't like them". Which is really common and not that big a deal, but it's true.

All that said it was an off the cuff remark, he apologized and he hasn't lived in rural towns so that he would really know how small-town people really live. And certainly, it's not near as bad as Trumps garbage.

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Not so sure on the small town racism thing-my experience is that soft racism is everywhere. But he wasn;t talking about racism per se in the remark. He mentioned anti-immigration, but it was all in the context of Rust Belt economic decline and saying why it was understandable that people in those communites were bitter. He was speaking at a fundraiser in San Francicso, much like Mitt was speaking to "his people" when he made his 47% of Americans don't want to work comment. The person who recorded the comment was an Obama supporter who who doing volunteer work for the Huffington Post. She did not originally release it, but then felt that even volunteer journalistic ethics called her to do so.

All to say, you are technically correct that it was recorded, But this was not an event open to the public and I am sure Obama was surprised to be recorded. He was trying to be empathetic, but came across as condescending. If I was living in the Rust Belt, I would not have liked it either. But when you are clled to speak a million times, you are going to fumble some.

I just do not see Obama as being intentionally divisive in the way Trump is.

This group in general is most likely suffering on the wrong side of the K shaped economy

🚨CNN’s chief data analyst Harry Enten:

“He built his two presidential victories on winning voters without a college degree, well, Donald Trump’s base with non-college voters is absolutely collapsing” pic.twitter.com/QBNCjduVgu

— Republicans against Trump (@RpsAgainstTrump) February 9, 2026

ron.reagan said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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Its nice weighing over 200lbs and having muscle mass... you should try it sometime.

I am able to bodyslam antifa ladyboys like yourself.

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I'm sure you body slam a lot of lady boys in between your bag of chips

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I'm sure you get slammed by a lot of lady boys in between your estrogen patches and bag of Poppers

so we agree on the dog shock collar???

PA.

- UL

.... and, as always, TIA.

BID.

DT has the opportunity and the skills to do some great things for this country. He has already stepped in and facilitated some peace settlements between nations. He has taken control of the border which will hopefully make us a safer nation. He has been instrumental in having illegal criminals apprehended. He is trying to deal with the tariff situation.

But he just doesn't know when to stop when it comes to the rhetoric.

It's all so silly. And it really could lead to a problematic midterm, not to mention the next presidential cycle. It makes me wonder if now that he has become president again, and has got what he wants, does he just not care?

If he truly cares about this country you would think he would be thinking about its trajectory beyond his presidency. I would think that with the ego he has that he would want to go out as one of the greats.

But everything he does is overshadowed by his inability to filter. And he takes it to a whole new level when he gets into it with some silly entertainer.

The dude is apparently already worth 100 million dollars. I doubt he cares what DT thinks of him. And is probably thankful for this controversy surrounding his involvement in the Super Bowl because it will just get more eyes on him, and bring in more wealth. I had never heard of the guy until this whole SB story broke.

Frank Galvin said:

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Forest Bueller III said:

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Frank Galvin said:

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Wangchung said:

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Frank Galvin said:

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Wangchung said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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Wangchung said:

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"Bububut... MEAN TWEETS!!!"

https://www.facebook.com/share/1DhtXU9ArM/

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Portraying the Obamas as apes was just plain wrong. No amount of whataboutism makes it acceptable. Trump should have manned up and apologized.

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Man **** the Obamas. They call me and half the country worse. Save that fake outrage for someone who didn't watch democrats try to murder Trump TWICE. He can post all the "Obamas are monkeys" memes he likes.

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Quote and link?

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I'm referencing multiple speeches and comments from his 8 years in office. Totally unsurprising that you're pretending they didn't insult half the country regularly.

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Typical-"I feel this way so it must have been true."

Obama's language was almost always careful and spoke for a united America. He certainly never did or said anything within the same universe as implying that a race of of human beings was sub-human.

I think what you are remembering is that Obama often used facts and legit history, which I know is difficult for many on this fourm to deal with.

The worst I can recall was the "clinging to their guns and religon" comment. That was condescending, although it turned out to be true. It was also not said when he was president, was not meant for public circulation, and Obama apologized. if you think he said something while holding officeanywhere close to as divisive as what the Trump post said, I would love to know what it was.

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This part I will disagree with, he made the remarks at a Fundraiser in San Franscisco and he was being recorded. So of course it was meant for public circulation.

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And it's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy toward people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.

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He was speaking specifically about small town Pennsylvania folks. Honestly a lot of this is wrong. Small town folks by and large are less racist than city folks. That is my "lived experience" as people like to say.

City folks are better at virtue signaling that they aren't racist, country folks are better at actually living with and befriending and having folks in their house, not like them. This has proven true in every small town I've lived in.

And listening to Mrs. Obama and her podcast she doesn't seem to do very well with liking people who "aren't like them". Which is really common and not that big a deal, but it's true.

All that said it was an off the cuff remark, he apologized and he hasn't lived in rural towns so that he would really know how small-town people really live. And certainly, it's not near as bad as Trumps garbage.

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Not so sure on the small town racism thing-my experience is that soft racism is everywhere. But he wasn;t talking about racism per se in the remark. He mentioned anti-immigration, but it was all in the context of Rust Belt economic decline and saying why it was understandable that people in those communites were bitter. He was speaking at a fundraiser in San Francicso, much like Mitt was speaking to "his people" when he made his 47% of Americans don't want to work comment. The person who recorded the comment was an Obama supporter who who doing volunteer work for the Huffington Post. She did not originally release it, but then felt that even volunteer journalistic ethics called her to do so.

All to say, you are technically correct that it was recorded, But this was not an event open to the public and I am sure Obama was surprised to be recorded. He was trying to be empathetic, but came across as condescending. If I was living in the Rust Belt, I would not have liked it either. But when you are clled to speak a million times, you are going to fumble some.

I just do not see Obama as being intentionally divisive in the way Trump is.

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When Republicans talk BS……it's racism.
When Democrats talk BS…..even when Dallas cops get assassinated as a result……it's not intentionally divisive.


Who could possibly doubt it ?

ron.reagan said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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Its nice weighing over 200lbs and having muscle mass... you should try it sometime.

I am able to bodyslam antifa ladyboys like yourself.

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I'm sure you body slam a lot of lady boys in between your bag of chips

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Good news ronnie! Now you can get deep inside those Ukrainian trenches and polish some Ukrainian rifles!

They'll pass you around like a $3 sack of goon.

This is what you get with President Trump. He's not a politician and he also doesn't give a **** what a lot of people think. So we take his awesome policies and have to live with him sticking his foot in his mouth at times. Better than any alternative we have at the moment.

Frank Galvin said:

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ScottS said:

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Frank Galvin said:

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ScottS said:

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An insult to apes.

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Scott's what the hell is wrong with you.

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Nothing. Michelle/Big Mike is a very bitter person and Obama's policies were crap.

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Then say you disagreed with his policies. Cheerleading racism is a sin-recognize it.

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Just quit with your BS

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Frank Galvin said:

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ScottS said:

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Frank Galvin said:

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ScottS said:

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An insult to apes.

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Again, endorsing racism is not a good look.



Scott's what the hell is wrong with you.

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Nothing. Michelle/Big Mike is a very bitter person and Obama's policies were crap.

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Then say you disagreed with his policies. Cheerleading racism is a sin-recognize it.

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Just quit with your BS

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Forest Bueller III said:

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Frank Galvin said:

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Forest Bueller III said:

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Frank Galvin said:

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Wangchung said:

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Frank Galvin said:

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Wangchung said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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Wangchung said:

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"Bububut... MEAN TWEETS!!!"

https://www.facebook.com/share/1DhtXU9ArM/

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Portraying the Obamas as apes was just plain wrong. No amount of whataboutism makes it acceptable. Trump should have manned up and apologized.

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Man **** the Obamas. They call me and half the country worse. Save that fake outrage for someone who didn't watch democrats try to murder Trump TWICE. He can post all the "Obamas are monkeys" memes he likes.

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Quote and link?

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I'm referencing multiple speeches and comments from his 8 years in office. Totally unsurprising that you're pretending they didn't insult half the country regularly.

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Typical-"I feel this way so it must have been true."

Obama's language was almost always careful and spoke for a united America. He certainly never did or said anything within the same universe as implying that a race of of human beings was sub-human.

I think what you are remembering is that Obama often used facts and legit history, which I know is difficult for many on this fourm to deal with.

The worst I can recall was the "clinging to their guns and religon" comment. That was condescending, although it turned out to be true. It was also not said when he was president, was not meant for public circulation, and Obama apologized. if you think he said something while holding officeanywhere close to as divisive as what the Trump post said, I would love to know what it was.

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This part I will disagree with, he made the remarks at a Fundraiser in San Franscisco and he was being recorded. So of course it was meant for public circulation.

Quote:

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And it's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy toward people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.

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He was speaking specifically about small town Pennsylvania folks. Honestly a lot of this is wrong. Small town folks by and large are less racist than city folks. That is my "lived experience" as people like to say.

City folks are better at virtue signaling that they aren't racist, country folks are better at actually living with and befriending and having folks in their house, not like them. This has proven true in every small town I've lived in.

And listening to Mrs. Obama and her podcast she doesn't seem to do very well with liking people who "aren't like them". Which is really common and not that big a deal, but it's true.

All that said it was an off the cuff remark, he apologized and he hasn't lived in rural towns so that he would really know how small-town people really live. And certainly, it's not near as bad as Trumps garbage.

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Not so sure on the small town racism thing-my experience is that soft racism is everywhere. But he wasn;t talking about racism per se in the remark. He mentioned anti-immigration, but it was all in the context of Rust Belt economic decline and saying why it was understandable that people in those communites were bitter. He was speaking at a fundraiser in San Francicso, much like Mitt was speaking to "his people" when he made his 47% of Americans don't want to work comment. The person who recorded the comment was an Obama supporter who who doing volunteer work for the Huffington Post. She did not originally release it, but then felt that even volunteer journalistic ethics called her to do so.

All to say, you are technically correct that it was recorded, But this was not an event open to the public and I am sure Obama was surprised to be recorded. He was trying to be empathetic, but came across as condescending. If I was living in the Rust Belt, I would not have liked it either. But when you are clled to speak a million times, you are going to fumble some.

I just do not see Obama as being intentionally divisive in the way Trump is.

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Anytime a presidential candidate speaks to a crowd, even a friendly fundraiser, he better assume he is being recorded that the media is present and it is for public consumption.

It hurt Mitt much worse with his "binders of women" and "47 percent" comments. But any candidate better beware, that if they are speaking it is being recorded.

I will agree without reservation Obama was much more gracious and presidential in his public speech than Trump will ever be. Trump TRIES to rile up people. Trump is his own worst enemy when it comes to public speech because he just doesn't care and it is the job of a president to care.

He has chosen to have lap dogs and yes men to surround him. Every president needs some people around him to consult him in the correct path and rein him in, if he tends to be a loose cannon.

Good grief Trump is still rambling on about 2020 and nobody is stopping him.

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Pretty spot on. Obama was a teleprompter reader, but he sure did it well. The masses knew they were being lied to but didn't care.

As for Trump, he can be his worst enemy because he's too unfiltered... but his unfiltered manner is the reason he's been so successful and popular.
Other than the TDS, voters don't take him literally, they take him seriously or tonally (is that a word).

So while I appreciate his unfiltered speech, I do wish he'd hold back in some ways.
But unfortunately you get the overwhelming good with the bad.

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This is what you get with President Trump. He's not a politician and he also doesn't give a **** what a lot of people think. So we take his awesome policies and have to live with him sticking his foot in his mouth at times. Better than any alternative we have at the moment.

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There are several better alternatives. This argument is absurd.

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Not any that can win.

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"Bububut... MEAN TWEETS!!!"

https://www.facebook.com/share/1DhtXU9ArM/

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Portraying the Obamas as apes was just plain wrong. No amount of whataboutism makes it acceptable. Trump should have manned up and apologized.

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Man **** the Obamas. They call me and half the country worse. Save that fake outrage for someone who didn't watch democrats try to murder Trump TWICE. He can post all the "Obamas are monkeys" memes he likes.

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When it comes to Trump, I am no longer outraged by anything he says. His a $ $ hole behavior is just expected. Kinda sad so many so-called Conservatives find his behavior acceptable and even encourage it.

This is one of the key reasons the Republicans will lose the House and the Senate later this year. Mostly self-inflicted wounds.

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Ah yes, the ol, "Republicans will lose votes if they don't cower before the democrats!" trope.

Trump is an ass. He is only in office as a response to democrats blatant corruption and the spineless republicans who let them run free or join them in corruption. I'd bet money none of you hand wringers said a damn word when W was shown as a monkey, repeatedly, and you didn't say **** when Trump was shown as an orangutan . **** your fake outrage.

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Haha Trump is in office because his admin and sychophants has done an AMAZING job in convincing the poor and uneducated white man that the brown man .. and black man.. is responsible for their plight.

Why anyone else.. the educated or middle to upper class supports him .. that's for you to answer..

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The irony of your post is I could ask you to name five policies of President Trump that you oppose ... and you cannot. But thanks for the silly Talking Points.

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Speaking of silly talking points, name five policies of President Trump that you support......

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1. Lower federal taxes
2. Closing the borders
3. Protecting women from dudes in dresses
4. Removing racist policies
5. Closing wasteful spending like USAID, etc.

See ... it's not hard if you're actually thinking.