President Trump announces military strikes on Iran: Operation Epic Fury

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Realitybites said:

KaiBear said:

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All this bragging is so pre mature.

China is not freaking out.

They will respond ....and it will be the US legacy media freaking out.

China does not "freak out".


Well there was that time they freaked out about imaginary fears of endless population growth and malthusian horror stories about a future of mass starvation if they didn't start killing off them problematic kids

Muh "population bomb"

So the Communist leadership embarked on the most aggressive, horrific, and human rights violating population control programs in human history.

All based on faulty assumptions and misinformation and future population graphs pulled out of the butts of Western academia

Now China is facing real life demographic implosion on the fast coming horizon. (They lost 2 million people just last year…state the size of Nebraska gone…and it's gonna get a lot worse)

So despite what people might think…a room of communist party functionaries are not magically better at government than Islamic clerics or Russian oligarchs.

And they do "freak out" quite often
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Exclusive-Trump on rising gas prices during Iran operation: 'If they rise, they rise'

let them eat cake.

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Pentagon Believes U.S. Military Likely Struck Iranian Elementary School That Killed Scores of Children: Report



I'll accept apologies now from anyone who called me names for telling the truth.

Funny how the evil, racist, fascist, piece of **** is against bombing children... and all the "good" guys don't have a problem with it.... or even worse lie about it.
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Redbrickbear said:

Realitybites said:

KaiBear said:

LIB,MR BEARS said:



All this bragging is so pre mature.

China is not freaking out.

They will respond ....and it will be the US legacy media freaking out.

China does not "freak out".


Well there was that time they freaked out about imaginary fears of endless population growth and malthusian horror stories about a future of mass starvation if they didn't start killing off them problematic kids

Muh "population bomb"

So the Communist leadership embarked on the most aggressive, horrific, and human rights violating population control programs in human history.

All based on faulty assumptions and misinformation and future population graphs pulled out of the butts of Western academia

Now China is facing real life demographic implosion on the fast coming horizon. (They lost 2 million people just last year…state the size of Nebraska gone…and it's gonna get a lot worse)

So despite what people might think…a room of communist party functionaries are not magically better at government than Islamic clerics or Russian oligarchs.

And they do "freak out" quite often


Not saying that they are "better". In fact, they are probably a lot worse than Islamic clerics and a lot worse than Russia. In those two nations at least Sharia (for what that is worth) and in Russia's case cultural Orthodoxy provides some guardrails.

Just that they don't "freak out". Their responses (right or wrong) are carefully thought out and timed.
Realitybites
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The_barBEARian said:

Exclusive-Trump on rising gas prices during Iran operation: 'If they rise, they rise'

let them eat cake.




When your boss tells you to do something and ignore a metric, you do it.

That's what Trump is doing.

We spent 2,500 American lives, 20 years, and trillions of dollars in Afghanistan replacing the Taliban with the Taliban.

We replaced Assad in Syria with an actual Al-Qaeda terrorist and muslim extremist on whose head we had a $10M bounty and whose henchmen have systematically eliminated religious minorities since he took over.

None of this ends well. It didn't in Iraq. It didn't in Vietnam.

Venezuela was more like what we did in Panama or Grenada. This is not.
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An Israeli rabbi, identified in reports as Yosef Mizrachi, has outlined a scenario where a missile strike on the Al-Aqsa Mosque could be staged and blamed on Iran.

Just throwing that out there in case you start seeing reports on Fox News how an Iranian missile hit it.

For the record, I stand opposed to the construction of a new Jewish temple.

It is an insult to God the Son who was crucified and rose from the dead.

It will radicalize whatever allies we have in the Sunni world and destabilize many governments in the region.

It will result in the senseless deaths of countless animals.

It will assist the Jews in welcoming the Antichrist into the world.

Practicioners of Judaism can beat their heads on the wall they currently have.

Christos Kyrios.
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KaiBear said:

Realitybites said:

Latest updates:

Here are some of the most critical developments unfolding in the US-Iran conflict:
  • Iraqi Kurdistan govt statement: Not a single Iraqi Kurd has crossed the border. This is patently false.
  • The U.S. Senate rejected a War Powers resolution that sought to force President Trump to end or seek congressional approval for military strikes on Iran, allowing the administration to continue operations without the restriction: CBS
  • Iran says it hit US warship with missiles 600km away in Northern Indian Ocean using Ghadr 380 Talayieh missiles (1000+ range, can change course mid-flight) [Unconfirmed]


1. This makes more sense. Hard to believe the Kurds would put their heads on the chopping block. The next few days should clarify the situation.


2, More evidence how the Zionist lobbyists have bought off members of both political parties.


3. Hope not.......again the next few days should confirm one way or another.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/ground-invasion-launched-against-iran-as-thousands-of-us-backed-kurdish-fighters-storm-border/ar-AA1XxrkX

even the talk about a Kurdish invasion has a positive effect. It forces Iran to divert assets to deal with the increased threat of one. Every soldier sent to the Kurdish highlands is one less gun to face the crowds of Iranian protestors in the streets of Iranian cities.

Here's a an even bigger deal.


Azerbaijan has closed its embassy and ordered its diplomats to leave.


Why is it a bigger deal? Look at the ethnicity map:


The goal of warfare is to push your enemy into a situation where he has nothing but a range of bad options to choose from. That's what we're seeing here. They cannot respond to all of the things unfolding in front of them. They have to choose which is most imperative and let the others largely go unaddressed. I would expect Iran to focus their attention primarily on the Azeris, who are a far bigger threat....a Turkish ally in position to potentially carve out a large portion of Iranian territory. Further, I would expect Iran to try to sow conflict between the Azeris and Kurds (see map). (The Azeris will not want to do anything that might significantly strengthen the Kurdish hand against Turkey.)

As Kurdish and Azeri controlled areas of Iran emerge, it facilitates US and Israeli special warfare and human intel collection efforts. (Azeris being strong Israeli allies).

We are watching the unraveling of the Iranian regime.
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Curious that Azeri Muslim leaders would cooperate with Jewish Israeli leaders to attack Christian Armenia.
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The Lurs are basically the Duze of Persia. They are part of the Iranian ethnic family, but have their own language and practice a form of islam heavily syncretized with ancient Lur theology and Zoroastrianism. The mullah regime looks at them as barely islamic at all. So they could be a player, too, even if primarily in merely not contesting Kurdish and Azeris operations against the regime in Teheran.
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boognish_bear said:




So now they're back to calling it the department of "defense" lol
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whiterock said:

KaiBear said:

Realitybites said:

Latest updates:

Here are some of the most critical developments unfolding in the US-Iran conflict:
  • Iraqi Kurdistan govt statement: Not a single Iraqi Kurd has crossed the border. This is patently false.
  • The U.S. Senate rejected a War Powers resolution that sought to force President Trump to end or seek congressional approval for military strikes on Iran, allowing the administration to continue operations without the restriction: CBS
  • Iran says it hit US warship with missiles 600km away in Northern Indian Ocean using Ghadr 380 Talayieh missiles (1000+ range, can change course mid-flight) [Unconfirmed]


1. This makes more sense. Hard to believe the Kurds would put their heads on the chopping block. The next few days should clarify the situation.


2, More evidence how the Zionist lobbyists have bought off members of both political parties.


3. Hope not.......again the next few days should confirm one way or another.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/ground-invasion-launched-against-iran-as-thousands-of-us-backed-kurdish-fighters-storm-border/ar-AA1XxrkX

even the talk about a Kurdish invasion has a positive effect. It forces Iran to divert assets to deal with the increased threat of one. Every soldier sent to the Kurdish highlands is one less gun to face the crowds of Iranian protestors in the streets of Iranian cities.

Here's a an even bigger deal.


Azerbaijan has closed its embassy and ordered its diplomats to leave.


Why is it a bigger deal? Look at the ethnicity map:


The goal of warfare is to push your enemy into a situation where he has nothing but a range of bad options to choose from. That's what we're seeing here. They cannot respond to all of the things unfolding in front of them. They have to choose which is most imperative and let the others largely go unaddressed. I would expect Iran to focus their attention primarily on the Azeris, who are a far bigger threat....a Turkish ally in position to potentially carve out a large portion of Iranian territory. Further, I would expect Iran to try to sow conflict between the Azeris and Kurds (see map). (The Azeris will not want to do anything that might significantly strengthen the Kurdish hand against Turkey.)

As Kurdish and Azeri controlled areas of Iran emerge, it facilitates US and Israeli special warfare and human intel collection efforts. (Azeris being strong Israeli allies).

We are watching the unraveling of the Iranian regime.

Find it very difficult to believe Azerbaijan will be sending ground troops in Iran to fight. They do not have the resources to do much of anything and ' big brother ' Russia to the north would be pissed off.
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Hmmm.

Former Israeli PM Naftali Bennett Says 'Turkey is the New Iran'

Wonder what the Article 5 implications would be for an Israeli decapitation strike on the Erdogan government.

Turkey has a serious military...and 20 to 30 of our B61 nuclear bombs stored at Incirlik Air Base.
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whiterock said:

KaiBear said:

Realitybites said:

Latest updates:

Here are some of the most critical developments unfolding in the US-Iran conflict:
  • Iraqi Kurdistan govt statement: Not a single Iraqi Kurd has crossed the border. This is patently false.
  • The U.S. Senate rejected a War Powers resolution that sought to force President Trump to end or seek congressional approval for military strikes on Iran, allowing the administration to continue operations without the restriction: CBS
  • Iran says it hit US warship with missiles 600km away in Northern Indian Ocean using Ghadr 380 Talayieh missiles (1000+ range, can change course mid-flight) [Unconfirmed]


1. This makes more sense. Hard to believe the Kurds would put their heads on the chopping block. The next few days should clarify the situation.


2, More evidence how the Zionist lobbyists have bought off members of both political parties.


3. Hope not.......again the next few days should confirm one way or another.

We are watching the unraveling of the Iranian regime.

Welp, we can officially call it as of 9:03 AM on March 6...Iran's regime survives.
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Realitybites said:

Redbrickbear said:

Realitybites said:

KaiBear said:

LIB,MR BEARS said:



All this bragging is so pre mature.

China is not freaking out.

They will respond ....and it will be the US legacy media freaking out.

China does not "freak out".


Well there was that time they freaked out about imaginary fears of endless population growth and malthusian horror stories about a future of mass starvation if they didn't start killing off them problematic kids

Muh "population bomb"

So the Communist leadership embarked on the most aggressive, horrific, and human rights violating population control programs in human history.

All based on faulty assumptions and misinformation and future population graphs pulled out of the butts of Western academia

Now China is facing real life demographic implosion on the fast coming horizon. (They lost 2 million people just last year…state the size of Nebraska gone…and it's gonna get a lot worse)

So despite what people might think…a room of communist party functionaries are not magically better at government than Islamic clerics or Russian oligarchs.

And they do "freak out" quite often


Not saying that they are "better". In fact, they are probably a lot worse than Islamic clerics and a lot worse than Russia. In those two nations at least Sharia (for what that is worth) and in Russia's case cultural Orthodoxy provides some guardrails.

Just that they don't "freak out". Their responses (right or wrong) are carefully thought out and timed.


That is possible.

Another option might be that they simply don't have the operational capabilities we think they do..the Peoples liberation army is a wing of the Communist party...and its main focus is not international war/conflict...but rather home-grown political oppression and party protection.

[The People's Liberation Army (PLA) is the armed wing of the Chinese Communist Party (CCP), functioning as a deeply political military organization rather than a national army of the state. It serves to protect CCP interests, with members pledging loyalty to leader Xi Jinping and 2040% of time dedicated to political indoctrination]

How many of their commanders and leaders are only in their positions because they are politically reliable and not based on competency or ability?
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Redbrickbear said:


Another option might be that they simply don't have the operational capabilities we think they do..the Peoples liberation army is a wing of the Communist party...and its main focus is not international war/conflict...but rather home-grown political oppression and party protection.


I wouldn't necessarily say that. Most communist states have a separate institution (KGB, NKVD, etc) to handle that. The Chinese have a Ministry of State Security for those purposes.
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Friday update:

  • War enters day seven as Iranian President Masoud Pezeshkian says several countries have begun mediation efforts to end the conflict with the US and Israel, while stressing negotiations must confront those who "ignited this conflict."
  • Heavy fighting continues, with Tehran experiencing its most intense bombardment yet, including strikes near key government districts; Israel says the attacks mark a "new phase" of the war.
  • Trump rejects negotiations amid Tehran reports that outside countries offered mediation, declaring there will be "no deal except unconditional surrender," and suggesting Iran could later select a new leader with US approval.
  • Global fallout intensifies: Brent oil futures surges to around $90, Gulf energy flows face disruption, Russia says demand for its energy is rising, and reports indicate Moscow may be providing Iran intelligence on US military assets in the region.
  • Qatar News Agency, Citing Minister of State for Energy Affairs, says The ongoing war will force Gulf states to halt energy production and exports within days.
  • Israeli official admits Hezbollah joined conflict with unexpected intensity
  • President Trump said sending ground troops into Iran would be a "waste of time."
  • China assistance in question via CNN: The US also has intelligence suggesting that China may be preparing to provide Iran with financial assistance, spare parts and missile components,
Reports also have the Abraham Lincoln strike group moving to within land based anti ship missile range this weekend.
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Realitybites said:

Friday update:

  • War enters day seven as Iranian President Masoud Pezeshkian says several countries have begun mediation efforts to end the conflict with the US and Israel, while stressing negotiations must confront those who "ignited this conflict."
  • Heavy fighting continues, with Tehran experiencing its most intense bombardment yet, including strikes near key government districts; Israel says the attacks mark a "new phase" of the war.
  • Trump rejects negotiations amid Tehran reports that outside countries offered mediation, declaring there will be "no deal except unconditional surrender," and suggesting Iran could later select a new leader with US approval.
  • Global fallout intensifies: Brent oil futures surges to around $90, Gulf energy flows face disruption, Russia says demand for its energy is rising, and reports indicate Moscow may be providing Iran intelligence on US military assets in the region.
  • Qatar News Agency, Citing Minister of State for Energy Affairs, says The ongoing war will force Gulf states to halt energy production and exports within days.
  • Israeli official admits Hezbollah joined conflict with unexpected intensity
  • President Trump said sending ground troops into Iran would be a "waste of time."
  • China assistance in question via CNN: The US also has intelligence suggesting that China may be preparing to provide Iran with financial assistance, spare parts and missile components,
Reports also have the Abraham Lincoln strike group moving to within land based anti ship missile range this weekend.



Who could have predicted Operation AIPAC Fury would be a total disaster?...
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Realitybites said:

KaiBear said:

LIB,MR BEARS said:



All this bragging is so pre mature.

China is not freaking out.

They will respond ....and it will be the US legacy media freaking out.

China does not "freak out".

The country? They did in 2012, but perhaps that's for another time.

Certainly there are individuals in China whose personal situation is more tenuous today because some of their promises to the Central Committee proved in error.

That said, the Politburo will not take any actions until the full impact in all respects is known. That means April's Plenary meeting will be where any pivots or official decisions are made.
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The_barBEARian said:

Realitybites said:

Friday update:

  • War enters day seven as Iranian President Masoud Pezeshkian says several countries have begun mediation efforts to end the conflict with the US and Israel, while stressing negotiations must confront those who "ignited this conflict."
  • Heavy fighting continues, with Tehran experiencing its most intense bombardment yet, including strikes near key government districts; Israel says the attacks mark a "new phase" of the war.
  • Trump rejects negotiations amid Tehran reports that outside countries offered mediation, declaring there will be "no deal except unconditional surrender," and suggesting Iran could later select a new leader with US approval.
  • Global fallout intensifies: Brent oil futures surges to around $90, Gulf energy flows face disruption, Russia says demand for its energy is rising, and reports indicate Moscow may be providing Iran intelligence on US military assets in the region.
  • Qatar News Agency, Citing Minister of State for Energy Affairs, says The ongoing war will force Gulf states to halt energy production and exports within days.
  • Israeli official admits Hezbollah joined conflict with unexpected intensity
  • President Trump said sending ground troops into Iran would be a "waste of time."
  • China assistance in question via CNN: The US also has intelligence suggesting that China may be preparing to provide Iran with financial assistance, spare parts and missile components,
Reports also have the Abraham Lincoln strike group moving to within land based anti ship missile range this weekend.



Who could have predicted Operation AIPAC Fury would be a total disaster?...

Only someone who was hoping and praying for disaster to the point that they would declare it on just their own assumptions.
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The_barBEARian said:



Who could have predicted Operation AIPAC Fury would be a total disaster?...


Pretty much anyone with half a brain.

The interesting thing about the Lincoln's move is that it could be for good or bad reasons:

(1) Good reason: The DOD thinks that they have eliminated Iran's ability to strike it.
(2) Bad reason: We're starting to run short of stand off munitions.

Some people old enough to recall pictures of B-52s in action in Vietnam and operation Linebacker probably assume that when those jets went into action in Iran it meant the elimination of Iranian air defenses.



But that isn't what was going on. They were loaded with AMG-158 Joint Air-to-Surface Standoff Missiles.

This was tested back in June 2024.

If you see B-52s entering Iranian airspace over the next few weeks, then #1 is the probably answer. But if you see B-52s disappear from the conversation it probably means #2 is the answer. These bombers are ancient; they entered service in 1955. They aren't stealth. They aren't supersonic. If you're familiar with civilian aircraft, think the Boeing 707, which entered service 5 years *later* and persists only as the KC-135 tanker in the USAF. Even the Vietnamese managed to shoot 16 of them down during operation Linebacker. It would be a turkey shoot with modern air defense systems.
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Sam Lowry said:

whiterock said:

KaiBear said:

Realitybites said:

Latest updates:

Here are some of the most critical developments unfolding in the US-Iran conflict:
  • Iraqi Kurdistan govt statement: Not a single Iraqi Kurd has crossed the border. This is patently false.
  • The U.S. Senate rejected a War Powers resolution that sought to force President Trump to end or seek congressional approval for military strikes on Iran, allowing the administration to continue operations without the restriction: CBS
  • Iran says it hit US warship with missiles 600km away in Northern Indian Ocean using Ghadr 380 Talayieh missiles (1000+ range, can change course mid-flight) [Unconfirmed]


1. This makes more sense. Hard to believe the Kurds would put their heads on the chopping block. The next few days should clarify the situation.


2, More evidence how the Zionist lobbyists have bought off members of both political parties.


3. Hope not.......again the next few days should confirm one way or another.

We are watching the unraveling of the Iranian regime.

Welp, we can officially call it as of 9:03 AM on March 6...Iran's regime survives.

Think we'll need a firm definition of "regime".

Most of the Iranians who held senior leadership positions in February are now discussing their eternal fate with God right now, sans body.

The idea that we can take Iran's word on anything evokes memory of Baghdad Bob.

Certainly any new political party coming into power will need to establish coordinated communications and confirm to the US that they are not a threat to be targeted, assure the Iranian people that they will faithfully represent the people, and demonstrate the ability to lead Iran to pre-1978 prosperity or at least stability. That process will take months to coalesce.

Finally, we need to determine whether the 'Death to America' party has been eviscerated, mortally wounded, or just badly hurt. The notion that most Iranians support the Ayatollahs is on the same credibility level as thinking the Mullahs are having pork and bacon for lunch.
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Oldbear83 said:

The_barBEARian said:

Realitybites said:

Friday update:

  • War enters day seven as Iranian President Masoud Pezeshkian says several countries have begun mediation efforts to end the conflict with the US and Israel, while stressing negotiations must confront those who "ignited this conflict."
  • Heavy fighting continues, with Tehran experiencing its most intense bombardment yet, including strikes near key government districts; Israel says the attacks mark a "new phase" of the war.
  • Trump rejects negotiations amid Tehran reports that outside countries offered mediation, declaring there will be "no deal except unconditional surrender," and suggesting Iran could later select a new leader with US approval.
  • Global fallout intensifies: Brent oil futures surges to around $90, Gulf energy flows face disruption, Russia says demand for its energy is rising, and reports indicate Moscow may be providing Iran intelligence on US military assets in the region.
  • Qatar News Agency, Citing Minister of State for Energy Affairs, says The ongoing war will force Gulf states to halt energy production and exports within days.
  • Israeli official admits Hezbollah joined conflict with unexpected intensity
  • President Trump said sending ground troops into Iran would be a "waste of time."
  • China assistance in question via CNN: The US also has intelligence suggesting that China may be preparing to provide Iran with financial assistance, spare parts and missile components,
Reports also have the Abraham Lincoln strike group moving to within land based anti ship missile range this weekend.



Who could have predicted Operation AIPAC Fury would be a total disaster?...

Only someone who was hoping and praying for disaster to the point that they would declare it on just their own assumptions.


When gas goes up, the price of everything goes up.

How do you think that is going to play in November?

Do you not remember how bad the Biden years were?... and yet you seem so eager to return us to that time.
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Realitybites said:

The_barBEARian said:



Who could have predicted Operation AIPAC Fury would be a total disaster?...


Pretty much anyone with half a brain.

The interesting thing about the Lincoln's move is that it could be for good or bad reasons:

(1) Good reason: The DOD thinks that they have eliminated Iran's ability to strike it.
(2) Bad reason: We're starting to run short of stand off munitions.

Some people old enough to recall pictures of B-52s in action in Vietnam and operation Linebacker probably assume that when those jets went into action in Iran it meant the elimination of Iranian air defenses.



But that isn't what was going on. They were loaded with AMG-158 Joint Air-to-Surface Standoff Missiles.

This was tested back in June 2024.

If you see B-52s entering Iranian airspace over the next few weeks, then #1 is the probably answer. But if you see B-52s disappear from the conversation it probably means #2 is the answer. These bombers are ancient; they entered service in 1955. They aren't stealth. They aren't supersonic. If you're familiar with civilian aircraft, think the Boeing 707, which entered service 5 years *later* and persists only as the KC-135 tanker in the USAF. Even the Vietnamese managed to shoot 16 of them down during operation Linebacker. It would be a turkey shoot with modern air defense systems.

The use of B-52's is only possible if the US has 100% total air superiority. Which we do not have right now; although we should obtain it within the next 2 weeks.

Then watch the Republican Guard Army ground units get pounded by the B-52's....most likely using dumb bombs. Only counter move the Iranians would have left, is to use their own people as human shields.

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The_barBEARian said:

Oldbear83 said:

The_barBEARian said:

Realitybites said:

Friday update:

  • War enters day seven as Iranian President Masoud Pezeshkian says several countries have begun mediation efforts to end the conflict with the US and Israel, while stressing negotiations must confront those who "ignited this conflict."
  • Heavy fighting continues, with Tehran experiencing its most intense bombardment yet, including strikes near key government districts; Israel says the attacks mark a "new phase" of the war.
  • Trump rejects negotiations amid Tehran reports that outside countries offered mediation, declaring there will be "no deal except unconditional surrender," and suggesting Iran could later select a new leader with US approval.
  • Global fallout intensifies: Brent oil futures surges to around $90, Gulf energy flows face disruption, Russia says demand for its energy is rising, and reports indicate Moscow may be providing Iran intelligence on US military assets in the region.
  • Qatar News Agency, Citing Minister of State for Energy Affairs, says The ongoing war will force Gulf states to halt energy production and exports within days.
  • Israeli official admits Hezbollah joined conflict with unexpected intensity
  • President Trump said sending ground troops into Iran would be a "waste of time."
  • China assistance in question via CNN: The US also has intelligence suggesting that China may be preparing to provide Iran with financial assistance, spare parts and missile components,
Reports also have the Abraham Lincoln strike group moving to within land based anti ship missile range this weekend.



Who could have predicted Operation AIPAC Fury would be a total disaster?...

Only someone who was hoping and praying for disaster to the point that they would declare it on just their own assumptions.


When gas goes up, the price of everything goes up.

How do you think that is going to play in November?

Do you not remember how bad the Biden years were?... and yet you seem so eager to return us to that time.

[ checks calendar ]

Today is March 6. The election is in November, with early voting in October.

It may surprise you to learn that the price of gasoline varies over any period longer than a few days.

Pretending Trump=Biden is pretty much proof you have no sane argument, by the way.
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The_barBEARian said:

Oldbear83 said:

The_barBEARian said:

Realitybites said:

Friday update:

  • War enters day seven as Iranian President Masoud Pezeshkian says several countries have begun mediation efforts to end the conflict with the US and Israel, while stressing negotiations must confront those who "ignited this conflict."
  • Heavy fighting continues, with Tehran experiencing its most intense bombardment yet, including strikes near key government districts; Israel says the attacks mark a "new phase" of the war.
  • Trump rejects negotiations amid Tehran reports that outside countries offered mediation, declaring there will be "no deal except unconditional surrender," and suggesting Iran could later select a new leader with US approval.
  • Global fallout intensifies: Brent oil futures surges to around $90, Gulf energy flows face disruption, Russia says demand for its energy is rising, and reports indicate Moscow may be providing Iran intelligence on US military assets in the region.
  • Qatar News Agency, Citing Minister of State for Energy Affairs, says The ongoing war will force Gulf states to halt energy production and exports within days.
  • Israeli official admits Hezbollah joined conflict with unexpected intensity
  • President Trump said sending ground troops into Iran would be a "waste of time."
  • China assistance in question via CNN: The US also has intelligence suggesting that China may be preparing to provide Iran with financial assistance, spare parts and missile components,
Reports also have the Abraham Lincoln strike group moving to within land based anti ship missile range this weekend.



Who could have predicted Operation AIPAC Fury would be a total disaster?...

Only someone who was hoping and praying for disaster to the point that they would declare it on just their own assumptions.


When gas goes up, the price of everything goes up.

How do you think that is going to play in November?

Do you not remember how bad the Biden years were?... and yet you seem so eager to return us to that time.


Why does November matter? What should matter is the day to day lives of Americans. High ass Gas will hurt many who also have high ass food to cover.
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whiterock said:

The Lurs are basically the Duze of Persia. They are part of the Iranian ethnic family, but have their own language and practice a form of islam heavily syncretized with ancient Lur theology and Zoroastrianism. The mullah regime looks at them as barely islamic at all. So they could be a player, too, even if primarily in merely not contesting Kurdish and Azeris operations against the regime in Teheran.

Baku has a Formula 1 race, that is as western tolerant as you get. They know how to play nice with the west.

It is a cool race in the old city. Bucket list race....
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Unless they are very confident about this… I think they need to be cautious about setting a short timetable for this to the public.

They would be better off saying this could take six months or more and then getting it done sooner... rather than promising a short timeline that they could very well miss on.

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boognish_bear said:

Unless they are very confident about this… I think they need to be cautious about setting a short timetable for this to the public.

They would be better off saying this could take six months or more and then getting it done sooner... rather than promising a short timeline that they could very well miss on.



was bantering with Kai about what a "successful woman " Melania is. I called BS. She is a Nookie Girl married to the Lizard King. However, as frustrating as she can be, that damn Press Secretary is accomplished. She is really really good at what she does wrangling all those daily lies and the crap she has to deal with. She is tough too. I respect anyone who is good at what they do, regardless of ideology.
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Four paths after the bombs stop

If the Trump administration sticks to its stated four- to five-week timeline and pursues a narrow military mission centered on defanging Tehran of its long-range strike capabilities, gutting the nuclear program, and destroying its ability to harass shipping, the regime is likely to weather the storm. Sure, it will be battered, bruised, smaller, and weaker, but it will still claim victoryas all terrorist enterprises doif it is left standing. Under such a scenario, what survives will not produce a chastened, concession-ready Iran. It will be a hardened pariah state with a bunker mentality.

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A sense of humiliation rather than humility will permeate, and Tehran's deep state will emerge paranoid, vengeful, and intent on rebuilding. In a world where the regime's proxy terror network is neutered and has lost any conventional or hybrid military capabilities, interest in nuclear weapons does not diminish. It intensifies. A cornered autocracy will have every incentive to avoid eyes on anything left of its atomic enterprise or fissile material stocks and sprint toward the bomb through whatever covert pathway remains available.
It is also likely to double down at home through arrests, torture, and mass suppression, much like Saddam Hussein's Iraq did after defeat in 1991. The nightmare scenario for U.S. policymakers and dissident Iranians is not a defeated Iran. It is a surviving Islamic Republic that will look inward la North Korea: isolated, militarized, and biding its time until Trump leaves office. If that's the outcome and the Trump administration takes a victory lap, Washington will have achieved its military aims but not any political ones.
Behnam Ben Taleblu The Free Press
 
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