President Trump announces military strikes on Iran: Operation Epic Fury

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In reply to Oldbear83 • 2:32a, 4/2/26
Oldbear83 said:
FLBear5630 said:
Oldbear83 said:
FLBear5630 said:
Don't ever give me **** about rants again...

You lost that right with that novel...
: )

Tell me you didn't read without using those words.

But I get it: facts scare you.

Especially the ones showing Trump's opinions viz a viz Iran are historically consistent with Presidents before him.

That's gotta be tough for you.


It was a joke. Humor? Light hearted banter?

So, you wanna discuss some of the salient points in that history?

Which LLM did you use to aggregate that?
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In reply to KaiBear • 4:15a, 4/2/26
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Some of you folks are beyond clueless. We are in a WAR....not a video game.

If higher gas prices are the biggest discomfort we endure in order to destroy the power of the mullah's once and for all........

count your blessings.


Lost in this analysis is the possibility that higher energy prices, higher interest rates, and higher inflation may not destroy the power of the mullahs but rather destroy the power of the United States. This war has already moved in that direction given what we've spent, the destruction of half our bases, the loss of our ground based radar/early warning systems, and the overall cost.

I'm not sure some of you older posters fully understand just how fragile our country is today compared to 30 years ago in the Gulf Wars let alone 90 years ago in World War 2.

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In reply to D. C. Bear • 4:35a, 4/2/26
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C. Jordan said:
Porteroso said:
Sam Lowry said:
KaiBear said:
Sam Lowry said:
I can read that we've bombed this and bombed that. I'm not seeing what the mission is or how we're accomplishing it. You talk a lot of ****, but do you know the difference? I don't think you do.

The mission goals have been repeated constantly. As in at least 4 times a day.

So you are either a liar or suffering from acute memory loss.

Since you claim to be Catholic, ( an amusing stance in your case ) I do not wish to accuse you of a mortal sin.
Especially as the required confession would result in an essay.....boring the poor Priest to death.


So let's just go with acute memory loss.

Yeah, you don't know what you're talking about. If you listen to what they say, Trump and Hegseth contradict themselves at every turn. First the mission is regime change, then it isn't. Next it's opening the strait, then it isn't. Still no sign of how they're going to achieve whatever it is they're trying to achieve.

I don't know why anyone responds to that guy. Hilarious to think Trump is even capable of consistent messaging.

They told us at the beginning, there was no real goal, the Israelis invited us along for war. So they are free to make it up as they go.

I will say this, I had never considered going to war, Iran predictably closing the Strait of Hormuz, then leaving while they still have it closed and want to start taxing it.

And then declaring victory. Nuclear material still being enriched, no less. Points for losing in style i guess. I hate losing wars.

It's amazing how they're defining "regime change" down. Now, they're saying it means they killed their leaders. But if the same regime is in place, that's not regime change.

I agree it's disingenuous to say the goals of the war have always been clear. They have not. Trump clearly said the goal was regime change and ending their nuke program forever. Now, on top of defining "regime change" down, Rubio is saying the aims were to deplete their military, especially their missiles.

So, the end result of all this is that the world will be worse off than it was before the war.


With the caveat that it is hard to keep track of everything Trump says, he very specifically said at the start that the goal was NOT regime change. I happen to disagree with him. I think if you are going to strike them at this level, you need to remove the regime.

....but he needs it to be regime change to justify feeling the way he feels, so regime change it is.

Regardless of intent, it will be very, very hard for the Mullah regime to survive this.
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In reply to FLBear5630 • 4:42a, 4/2/26
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Redbrickbear said:
FLBear5630 said:
whiterock said:
FLBear5630 said:
Oldbear83 said:
Mister, you are so pro-mullah on this thread, Hakeem Jeffries is taking notes from you. I know Arab friends who are more supportive of the US actions than you.

We get it, you hate Trump so much you are somehow convinced no one else is making plans or issuing orders. You are this board's Teheran Timmy, but give it a rest, Achmed.


I give up. You have no concept over whether or not we should do it with American troops

Of course your Arab friends want us to send our troops so they dont have to send theirs. We are the proxy. We are Ukraine in this model, using US military capital and personnel to do Bibi's war.

It has nothing to do with supporting the Mullahs, it has everything to do with doing it with our troops. No wars, remember?

There will be no war. Just a bombing campaign followed by a raid to secure the enriched uranium. Then we send the fleets home.

Was Venezuela really a war?
Didn't our action in Venezuela positively transform our geopolitical position in the Americas and abroad?
Any troops on the ground there today?
Any troops on the ground YET in Iran?
I mean for that matter, why do we not ALREADY have troops on the ground in Iran (if that was the intent)? We have bombed them to the point their ability to respond with conventional military forces is effectively zero We have total air supremacy, which means they cannot mass large forces nor move large forces & logistics to counter our operations. Would look like the "road of death" in Iraq 1.0 only in Farsi.

Quit it with the false dilemma. This operation is not Afghanistan 2.0

It would be closer to Iraq 2003 where we had to by-pass the Cities and leave them in our rear to get to Bagdhad, Tehran in this case. You still think what we had in 2003, which had trouble in those cities, could take Iran without a problem?


I understand what you are saying

But for the record…the USA could level those cities and kill every single living thing inside them if we wanted

All these hypotheticals always rely on one issue…assuming from the get go that the USA always plays by self appointed rules that hinder its power. And that it does not unleash its God like military power on the 3rd world enemy and just kill them all

I agree if it were simple as just destroying things it would be a very straight forward equation. Earlier in this thread I agreed, no one is arguing the military win capability, it is the desire to take on the casualties and to stay after to rebuild or what is next? Most people forget, the original Marshall Plan was only 4 years for Europe, we want to invade and stay even just 4 years?

see what you did there? that's called a faulty premise.

Who said we are going to invade and run the country and shape the formation of a new government with massive aid packages like it's Iraq 2.0 for the next decade or two?

Powell's "Pottery Barn" principle was really, really ahistorically stupid. It led to all kinds of pathologies. We don't need to rebuild anything. That's the the Iranians' problem. And if they screw it up & start poking us in the eye again, we'll come back and blow it all up again. Eventually, they'll get a regime which understands how to prosper and survive (by working with us instead of against us).

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In reply to Oldbear83 • 4:45a, 4/2/26
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My post was not about Trump, rather the historical context of the US-Iran conflict.

Strange how you just spew rants w/o even trying to read the post you attack.


Still reading the Iran fillibuster you posted. Should finish about noon, I am up to Darius I in 522...
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In reply to boognish_bear • 4:46a, 4/2/26
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That is a big ass explosion


apparently, ordnance is still cooking off at that location.

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4:53a, 4/2/26
Brent Crude Oil Last Day Financ (BZ=F) After Hours


108.91 +7.75 (+7.66%)


After last night's speech, I think it's going to become difficult for him to manipulate the markets with tweets.

"If the war lasts through June, oil prices would likely spike above $200 a barrel "for a time," according to research published recently by Australian investment bank Macquarie Group."

That's $7 a gallon for unleaded, and probably $9 for diesel.
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In reply to Sam Lowry • 4:58a, 4/2/26
Sam Lowry said:
boognish_bear said:

Ah, so that's the mission...destroying Iran's conventional missile capability.

Dude can't open his mouth without lying.

LOL you cannot post without lying. His first sentence framed the question "why are we attacking Iran." His second sentence he promised to answer that question. In the third sentence, he restated consistent US policy for the last 47 years: Iran is trying to build nuclear weapons and the USG will not allow that to happen.

When it comes to spin, you are a first class tactician, but really suck at strategy. You waste your wordsmithing prowess by picking literally the worst possible battlefield to fight on. It's like you do it on purpose, just to see if you can polish up a fine sheen on a soft turd.
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In reply to boognish_bear • 5:01a, 4/2/26
boognish_bear said:

I have said the same thing many times. Categorically true.
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In reply to FLBear5630 • 5:04a, 4/2/26
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Oldbear83 said:
My post was not about Trump, rather the historical context of the US-Iran conflict.

Strange how you just spew rants w/o even trying to read the post you attack.


Still reading the Iran fillibuster you posted. Should finish about noon, I am up to Darius I in 522...

...."then we shall read in the shade!"
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In reply to Realitybites • 5:14a, 4/2/26
Realitybites said:
KaiBear said:
Some of you folks are beyond clueless. We are in a WAR....not a video game.

If higher gas prices are the biggest discomfort we endure in order to destroy the power of the mullah's once and for all........

count your blessings.


Lost in this analysis is the possibility that higher energy prices, higher interest rates, and higher inflation may not destroy the power of the mullahs but rather destroy the power of the United States. This war has already moved in that direction given what we've spent, the destruction of half our bases, the loss of our ground based radar/early warning systems, and the overall cost.

I'm not sure some of you older posters fully understand just how fragile our country is today compared to 30 years ago in the Gulf Wars let alone 90 years ago in World War 2.


bro. I'm prolly close to that demo. Why in the world does one think why I have lambasted Piggy. My position has been very simple. He is BAD for the country. Me thinks I turned out to be right. The US is teetering , I agree. However, nothing I can do or is it my job to enlighten the MAGGA/Trumpian faithful. So, I'm rooting for Donnie! Might as well make a **** ton of $ off that fool. I generally do not like making $ off folks who are struggling. $125/barrel ain't good for anyone. Keep on blowing chit up Donnie. Good for biz.
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In reply to J.R. • 5:37a, 4/2/26
J.R. said:
Realitybites said:
KaiBear said:
Some of you folks are beyond clueless. We are in a WAR....not a video game.

If higher gas prices are the biggest discomfort we endure in order to destroy the power of the mullah's once and for all........

count your blessings.


Lost in this analysis is the possibility that higher energy prices, higher interest rates, and higher inflation may not destroy the power of the mullahs but rather destroy the power of the United States. This war has already moved in that direction given what we've spent, the destruction of half our bases, the loss of our ground based radar/early warning systems, and the overall cost.

I'm not sure some of you older posters fully understand just how fragile our country is today compared to 30 years ago in the Gulf Wars let alone 90 years ago in World War 2.


bro. I'm prolly close to that demo. Why in the world does one think why I have lambasted Piggy. My position has been very simple. He is BAD for the country. Me thinks I turned out to be right. The US is teetering , I agree. However, nothing I can do or is it my job to enlighten the MAGGA/Trumpian faithful. So, I'm rooting for Donnie! Might as well make a **** ton of $ off that fool. I generally do not like making $ off folks who are struggling. $125/barrel ain't good for anyone. Keep on blowing chit up Donnie. Good for biz.

I have agreed with you. I feel for those that are not in a position to make money on this. Lot's of people hurt by Donnie and his gang. Write up a time line and look at the stresses he has put the Nation through in 1 year. Really want to feel sick, look at what Trump and Biden have put the Nation through since 2016.

They make W and Obama look like responsible adults... When we put our faith in a Reality TV star, you get Reality TV.
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In reply to FLBear5630 • 5:56a, 4/2/26
FLBear5630 said:
J.R. said:
Realitybites said:
KaiBear said:
Some of you folks are beyond clueless. We are in a WAR....not a video game.

If higher gas prices are the biggest discomfort we endure in order to destroy the power of the mullah's once and for all........

count your blessings.


Lost in this analysis is the possibility that higher energy prices, higher interest rates, and higher inflation may not destroy the power of the mullahs but rather destroy the power of the United States. This war has already moved in that direction given what we've spent, the destruction of half our bases, the loss of our ground based radar/early warning systems, and the overall cost.

I'm not sure some of you older posters fully understand just how fragile our country is today compared to 30 years ago in the Gulf Wars let alone 90 years ago in World War 2.


bro. I'm prolly close to that demo. Why in the world does one think why I have lambasted Piggy. My position has been very simple. He is BAD for the country. Me thinks I turned out to be right. The US is teetering , I agree. However, nothing I can do or is it my job to enlighten the MAGGA/Trumpian faithful. So, I'm rooting for Donnie! Might as well make a **** ton of $ off that fool. I generally do not like making $ off folks who are struggling. $125/barrel ain't good for anyone. Keep on blowing chit up Donnie. Good for biz.

I have agreed with you. I feel for those that are not in a position to make money on this. Lot's of people hurt by Donnie and his gang. Write up a time line and look at the stresses he has put the Nation through in 1 year. Really want to feel sick, look at what Trump and Biden have put the Nation through since 2016.

They make W and Obama look like responsible adults... When we out our faith in a Reality TV star, you get Reality TV.





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In reply to whiterock • 7:07a, 4/2/26
whiterock said:
FLBear5630 said:
J.R. said:
Realitybites said:
KaiBear said:
Some of you folks are beyond clueless. We are in a WAR....not a video game.

If higher gas prices are the biggest discomfort we endure in order to destroy the power of the mullah's once and for all........

count your blessings.


Lost in this analysis is the possibility that higher energy prices, higher interest rates, and higher inflation may not destroy the power of the mullahs but rather destroy the power of the United States. This war has already moved in that direction given what we've spent, the destruction of half our bases, the loss of our ground based radar/early warning systems, and the overall cost.

I'm not sure some of you older posters fully understand just how fragile our country is today compared to 30 years ago in the Gulf Wars let alone 90 years ago in World War 2.


bro. I'm prolly close to that demo. Why in the world does one think why I have lambasted Piggy. My position has been very simple. He is BAD for the country. Me thinks I turned out to be right. The US is teetering , I agree. However, nothing I can do or is it my job to enlighten the MAGGA/Trumpian faithful. So, I'm rooting for Donnie! Might as well make a **** ton of $ off that fool. I generally do not like making $ off folks who are struggling. $125/barrel ain't good for anyone. Keep on blowing chit up Donnie. Good for biz.

I have agreed with you. I feel for those that are not in a position to make money on this. Lot's of people hurt by Donnie and his gang. Write up a time line and look at the stresses he has put the Nation through in 1 year. Really want to feel sick, look at what Trump and Biden have put the Nation through since 2016.

They make W and Obama look like responsible adults... When we out our faith in a Reality TV star, you get Reality TV.






Welcome to the Golden Age! Not Trumpy golden showers. this is the best economy in recorded history. Wouldn't you agree Donnie?
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In reply to J.R. • 7:24a, 4/2/26
J.R. said:
whiterock said:
FLBear5630 said:
J.R. said:
Realitybites said:
KaiBear said:
Some of you folks are beyond clueless. We are in a WAR....not a video game.

If higher gas prices are the biggest discomfort we endure in order to destroy the power of the mullah's once and for all........

count your blessings.


Lost in this analysis is the possibility that higher energy prices, higher interest rates, and higher inflation may not destroy the power of the mullahs but rather destroy the power of the United States. This war has already moved in that direction given what we've spent, the destruction of half our bases, the loss of our ground based radar/early warning systems, and the overall cost.

I'm not sure some of you older posters fully understand just how fragile our country is today compared to 30 years ago in the Gulf Wars let alone 90 years ago in World War 2.


bro. I'm prolly close to that demo. Why in the world does one think why I have lambasted Piggy. My position has been very simple. He is BAD for the country. Me thinks I turned out to be right. The US is teetering , I agree. However, nothing I can do or is it my job to enlighten the MAGGA/Trumpian faithful. So, I'm rooting for Donnie! Might as well make a **** ton of $ off that fool. I generally do not like making $ off folks who are struggling. $125/barrel ain't good for anyone. Keep on blowing chit up Donnie. Good for biz.

I have agreed with you. I feel for those that are not in a position to make money on this. Lot's of people hurt by Donnie and his gang. Write up a time line and look at the stresses he has put the Nation through in 1 year. Really want to feel sick, look at what Trump and Biden have put the Nation through since 2016.

They make W and Obama look like responsible adults... When we out our faith in a Reality TV star, you get Reality TV.






Welcome to the Golden Age! Not Trumpy golden showers. this is the best economy in recorded history. Wouldn't you agree Donnie?

Never seen anything like it.
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7:29a, 4/2/26
Oil up 10% pre market. $5 gasoline gonna make it difficult for Whiterock to gas up that riding mower for spins around the double wide lot!
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In reply to Oldbear83 • 7:35a, 4/2/26
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Strange how you just spew rants w/o even trying to read the post you attack.

Yeah, have noticed the same.

His standard rant is often unrelated to the subject.

Unusual behavior for an individual of his business success, weath and age.
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8:54a, 4/2/26
Maybe this will be a reverse Cramer

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In reply to whiterock • 9:38a, 4/2/26
whiterock said:
Sam Lowry said:
boognish_bear said:

Ah, so that's the mission...destroying Iran's conventional missile capability.

Dude can't open his mouth without lying.

LOL you cannot post without lying. His first sentence framed the question "why are we attacking Iran." His second sentence he promised to answer that question. In the third sentence, he restated consistent US policy for the last 47 years: Iran is trying to build nuclear weapons and the USG will not allow that to happen.

When it comes to spin, you are a first class tactician, but really suck at strategy. You waste your wordsmithing prowess by picking literally the worst possible battlefield to fight on. It's like you do it on purpose, just to see if you can polish up a fine sheen on a soft turd.

I've made plenty of supposedly indefensible claims here. We didn't destroy Iran's nuclear program. We couldn't do so without ground troops. The end of the 12-Day War was just a lull. Iran wouldn't agree to another ceasefire until their demands were met. All completely ridiculous, and all turned out to be completely true. You just didn't notice because you'd already moved on to your next lie.

Now, lo and behold, here you are talking about using a few thousand troops to seize the enriched uranium and trying to pitch it as something other than a suicide mission. Talk about polishing a turd, they don't get any smellier than that. Same goes for the Kharg operation. And on that note, another prediction. Many here will be shocked when the real US casualty numbers begin to leak. You were able to sell your Ukraine BS way past its expiration date since all most people hear in the media is Uke propaganda filtered through Western intelligence sources. No one really cares to dig deeper when it's just another proxy-of-the-month country providing the cannon fodder. The press will be a lot less complacent when American troops are on the line. So the clock is ticking on this little shell game that Trump and Hegseth are running.
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10:14a, 4/2/26
Its clear to anyone with a fully developed frontal lobe that the Israelis are no different than the Iranians, yet we are propagandized, badly, to believe the Iranians are monsters and the Israelis are innocent and selfless beings made of pure light and harmonious energy

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ok, Sugar Teets
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12:07p, 4/2/26
She has a real hard job. Yay Christianity!....... Yes, we bombed a Christian church, but Yada yada....
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In reply to ATL Bear • 1:03p, 4/2/26
ATL Bear said:
Oldbear83 said:
FLBear5630 said:
Oldbear83 said:
FLBear5630 said:
Don't ever give me **** about rants again...

You lost that right with that novel...
: )

Tell me you didn't read without using those words.

But I get it: facts scare you.

Especially the ones showing Trump's opinions viz a viz Iran are historically consistent with Presidents before him.

That's gotta be tough for you.


It was a joke. Humor? Light hearted banter?

So, you wanna discuss some of the salient points in that history?

Which LLM did you use to aggregate that?


None. Back to the question, though: Do you want to discuss the points raised, or just ignore them?
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In reply to Doc Holliday • 1:51p, 4/2/26
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We are crossing into a bad area. I have no issues with the military targets, but bombing the "to the stone age" is not going to endear us to the Iranian people. There is a point in any negotiation, struggle or battle when you cross the line to causing permanent damage to your position. We are there...
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FLBear5630 said:
J.R. said:
whiterock said:
FLBear5630 said:
J.R. said:
Realitybites said:
KaiBear said:
Some of you folks are beyond clueless. We are in a WAR....not a video game.

If higher gas prices are the biggest discomfort we endure in order to destroy the power of the mullah's once and for all........

count your blessings.


Lost in this analysis is the possibility that higher energy prices, higher interest rates, and higher inflation may not destroy the power of the mullahs but rather destroy the power of the United States. This war has already moved in that direction given what we've spent, the destruction of half our bases, the loss of our ground based radar/early warning systems, and the overall cost.

I'm not sure some of you older posters fully understand just how fragile our country is today compared to 30 years ago in the Gulf Wars let alone 90 years ago in World War 2.


bro. I'm prolly close to that demo. Why in the world does one think why I have lambasted Piggy. My position has been very simple. He is BAD for the country. Me thinks I turned out to be right. The US is teetering , I agree. However, nothing I can do or is it my job to enlighten the MAGGA/Trumpian faithful. So, I'm rooting for Donnie! Might as well make a **** ton of $ off that fool. I generally do not like making $ off folks who are struggling. $125/barrel ain't good for anyone. Keep on blowing chit up Donnie. Good for biz.

I have agreed with you. I feel for those that are not in a position to make money on this. Lot's of people hurt by Donnie and his gang. Write up a time line and look at the stresses he has put the Nation through in 1 year. Really want to feel sick, look at what Trump and Biden have put the Nation through since 2016.

They make W and Obama look like responsible adults... When we out our faith in a Reality TV star, you get Reality TV.






Welcome to the Golden Age! Not Trumpy golden showers. this is the best economy in recorded history. Wouldn't you agree Donnie?

Never seen anything like it.

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Doc Holliday said:


Long overdue.

Bomb their oil facilities, water plants, power plants......destroy their shipping docks and cranes.

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In reply to Doc Holliday • 4:31p, 4/2/26
Doc Holliday said:


Is this coming with any cuts to anything else… Or just add-on?
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In reply to boognish_bear • 5:05p, 4/2/26
boognish_bear said:


Hey cool, more of exactly the opposite of what I voted for.
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In reply to boognish_bear • 5:25p, 4/2/26
boognish_bear said:
Doc Holliday said:


Is this coming with any cuts to anything else… Or just add-on?

So, we are now on a war economy? We are really moving toward being Germany in 1939. Who else should we attack? Or land to take? Lindsey Graham is so excited he is calling Noem's husband!


Only cuts I read about is healthcare. He doesn't need Medicare, so cut it.
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