President Trump announces military strikes on Iran: Operation Epic Fury

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Anyone who believes that a nuclear Iran is tolerable is pathetically ignorant of who these people are and what they believe. Those who think that way need to educate themselves on Shia Islam, the 12th Imam (Mahdi), what his coming will mean, and how it will come about. The fanatics really believe this crazy stuff and some would be willing to start a global thermonuclear Holocaust. This is not an exaggeration.
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More on the rescue of the missing officer:

https://notthebee.com/article/the-weapon-systems-officer-who-was-shot-down-on-good-friday-evaded-iranian-jihadis-for-48-hours-before-being-rescued-easter-morning-heres-the-play-by-play
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cowboycwr said:

FLBear5630 said:

cowboycwr said:

FLBear5630 said:

EatMoreSalmon said:

Porteroso said:

LIB,MR BEARS said:

Porteroso said:

historian said:

Porteroso said:

Doc Holliday said:




Trump is so dumb. We are ensuring the next generation of terrorists truly hates America.

I cannot believe the cheerleaders here for mass murder and destruction.

How idiotic!
Has there ever been a generation of terrorists that did not hate America???
If you are not cheering on the US then you are a cheerleader for the Iranian regime, terrorists who have been bass murdering people for 47 years. In January of this year they slaughtered up to 45k of their own people for peacefully protesting against their tyranny.

People on the Left who try to take the moral high ground always end up looking like fools.

To answer the question, yes there have been many generation of Iranians that didn't hate America, and were not terrorists. With each new generation of Middle Easterners, we renew their hatred of America since the 70s. It doesn't have to be that way.

I think we are plenty willing to sacrifice Americans simply because it keeps the war machine going. Simple as that.

What is idiotic is your post which assumes there will always be terrorists in the Middle East that want to kill Americans.

Correct! We need to get back to ( insert peaceful time in ME here).

Porteroso, when was that time?

False question. It's one thing for the Middle Easterners to want to war with their neighbors. It's another for us to keep killing so many of them, or overthrowing their governments, that they want to go half a world away to blow themselves up amongst Americans.

I'm ok with crippling their missile program, or removing their nuclear material from the equation. What is bad, is that this was so poorly thought through that we had to beg allies to join our war, and now that they haven't, we have decided that leaving, having accomplished very little in the grand scheme of things, while they control the Strait of Hormuz and might start taxing it, or stay a bit longer and bomb civilian infrastructure, are our 2 options.

It's such an insane ****show, and we might have to just reload and do it again in 10 years, which should be entirely unacceptable. They are like 1 good physicist away from creating nuclear weapons, and we apparently went to war with them, not to remove that threat, but simply to close and reopen the Strait of Hormuz.

All these posts about "dealing with the threat that is Iran...." we haven't gotten close, and it looks like we won't for some time. People reveling in mass destruction and death just irk me, whether they are terrorists or whiterock.

When did ME countries not attack outside of the ME? Maybe before the Egyptian civilization?

The Middle East is where the most lucrative trade routes have been for thousands of years.


Just curious what Iranian attacks have occurred on the US outside the ME? Maybe I missed something. Israel, definitely. US proper? Saudii they attacked us 9/11. Iran?

So you are willing to ignore all the terror attacks against US citizens just because it didn't happen in the US?

No, who said that? I want a list. Similar to Lockerbee 103, 9/11 and the others. Nothing complicated, just what we connect to Iran. We know that Hamas has killed 46 on October 7, supporting Israel against Hamas no issues.

We are spending Billions and are about to go after the life support for the population, power and desalinization. Reminding us of what Iran did to deserve this does not seem out of bounds. Beyond the fund terror... That is abstract, tie it to real events that Iran did.

I mean a simple Google search will give you that list but you could start with:

1983 Beirut and then end with October 7 and just fill in all the events in between.

But none outside the Middle East.
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historian said:

Anyone who believes that a nuclear Iran is tolerable is pathetically ignorant of who these people are and what they believe. Those who think that way need to educate themselves on Shia Islam, the 12th Imam (Mahdi), what his coming will mean, and how it will come about. The fanatics really believe this crazy stuff and some would be willing to start a global thermonuclear Holocaust. This is not an exaggeration.

I'm not disagreeing; it's just I think it would have been a good idea to have been better organized and united, including with those who are still our allies and demonstrated better communication and leadership. It appears that the intent was good, but the implementation has proven to be lacking.
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fubar said:

There are any number of reasons -- most of them not so good -- as to why a colonel might be flying in a combat area. I am almost certain of one thing: The colonel was not the pilot's "regular" WSO, and that fact means the crew's capabilities were degraded. How much I don't know.

But an O-6 sitting in the WSO seat has more access to classified information that an O-3 sitting in that same seat would have. Without question.

We should all be glad he was rescued.

Reports are that upwards of half a dozen aircraft were lost in the rescue operation. It's looking less and less like a straightforward extraction and more like some kind of aborted raid, presumably on Isfahan.
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historian said:

Porteroso said:

historian said:

Porteroso said:

Doc Holliday said:




Trump is so dumb. We are ensuring the next generation of terrorists truly hates America.

I cannot believe the cheerleaders here for mass murder and destruction.

How idiotic!
Has there ever been a generation of terrorists that did not hate America???
If you are not cheering on the US then you are a cheerleader for the Iranian regime, terrorists who have been bass murdering people for 47 years. In January of this year they slaughtered up to 45k of their own people for peacefully protesting against their tyranny.

People on the Left who try to take the moral high ground always end up looking like fools.

To answer the question, yes there have been many generation of Iranians that didn't hate America, and were not terrorists. With each new generation of Middle Easterners, we renew their hatred of America since the 70s. It doesn't have to be that way.

I think we are plenty willing to sacrifice Americans simply because it keeps the war machine going. Simple as that.

What is idiotic is your post which assumes there will always be terrorists in the Middle East that want to kill Americans.

If you knew anything about the history of Islam you would not demonstrate such ignorance. Ever since Muhammad, Muslims have hated "infidels" and wanted to kill them, meaning us. It's still true today, especially among the more fanatical. Are you aware that Iran has called the US "the Great Satan" since 1979? They hate us because we are not Muslims and as the most powerful country, the greatest obstacle to all their ambitions.

Blaming the US, Israel, or the west in general is merely blaming the victims.

Muslims consider pagans to be infidels, not Christians or Jews.
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Sam Lowry said:

cowboycwr said:

FLBear5630 said:

cowboycwr said:

FLBear5630 said:

EatMoreSalmon said:

Porteroso said:

LIB,MR BEARS said:

Porteroso said:

historian said:

Porteroso said:

Doc Holliday said:




Trump is so dumb. We are ensuring the next generation of terrorists truly hates America.

I cannot believe the cheerleaders here for mass murder and destruction.

How idiotic!
Has there ever been a generation of terrorists that did not hate America???
If you are not cheering on the US then you are a cheerleader for the Iranian regime, terrorists who have been bass murdering people for 47 years. In January of this year they slaughtered up to 45k of their own people for peacefully protesting against their tyranny.

People on the Left who try to take the moral high ground always end up looking like fools.

To answer the question, yes there have been many generation of Iranians that didn't hate America, and were not terrorists. With each new generation of Middle Easterners, we renew their hatred of America since the 70s. It doesn't have to be that way.

I think we are plenty willing to sacrifice Americans simply because it keeps the war machine going. Simple as that.

What is idiotic is your post which assumes there will always be terrorists in the Middle East that want to kill Americans.

Correct! We need to get back to ( insert peaceful time in ME here).

Porteroso, when was that time?

False question. It's one thing for the Middle Easterners to want to war with their neighbors. It's another for us to keep killing so many of them, or overthrowing their governments, that they want to go half a world away to blow themselves up amongst Americans.

I'm ok with crippling their missile program, or removing their nuclear material from the equation. What is bad, is that this was so poorly thought through that we had to beg allies to join our war, and now that they haven't, we have decided that leaving, having accomplished very little in the grand scheme of things, while they control the Strait of Hormuz and might start taxing it, or stay a bit longer and bomb civilian infrastructure, are our 2 options.

It's such an insane ****show, and we might have to just reload and do it again in 10 years, which should be entirely unacceptable. They are like 1 good physicist away from creating nuclear weapons, and we apparently went to war with them, not to remove that threat, but simply to close and reopen the Strait of Hormuz.

All these posts about "dealing with the threat that is Iran...." we haven't gotten close, and it looks like we won't for some time. People reveling in mass destruction and death just irk me, whether they are terrorists or whiterock.

When did ME countries not attack outside of the ME? Maybe before the Egyptian civilization?

The Middle East is where the most lucrative trade routes have been for thousands of years.


Just curious what Iranian attacks have occurred on the US outside the ME? Maybe I missed something. Israel, definitely. US proper? Saudii they attacked us 9/11. Iran?

So you are willing to ignore all the terror attacks against US citizens just because it didn't happen in the US?

No, who said that? I want a list. Similar to Lockerbee 103, 9/11 and the others. Nothing complicated, just what we connect to Iran. We know that Hamas has killed 46 on October 7, supporting Israel against Hamas no issues.

We are spending Billions and are about to go after the life support for the population, power and desalinization. Reminding us of what Iran did to deserve this does not seem out of bounds. Beyond the fund terror... That is abstract, tie it to real events that Iran did.

I mean a simple Google search will give you that list but you could start with:

1983 Beirut and then end with October 7 and just fill in all the events in between.

But none outside the Middle East.


And?
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D. C. Bear said:

Sam Lowry said:

cowboycwr said:

FLBear5630 said:

cowboycwr said:

FLBear5630 said:

EatMoreSalmon said:

Porteroso said:

LIB,MR BEARS said:

Porteroso said:

historian said:

Porteroso said:

Doc Holliday said:




Trump is so dumb. We are ensuring the next generation of terrorists truly hates America.

I cannot believe the cheerleaders here for mass murder and destruction.

How idiotic!
Has there ever been a generation of terrorists that did not hate America???
If you are not cheering on the US then you are a cheerleader for the Iranian regime, terrorists who have been bass murdering people for 47 years. In January of this year they slaughtered up to 45k of their own people for peacefully protesting against their tyranny.

People on the Left who try to take the moral high ground always end up looking like fools.

To answer the question, yes there have been many generation of Iranians that didn't hate America, and were not terrorists. With each new generation of Middle Easterners, we renew their hatred of America since the 70s. It doesn't have to be that way.

I think we are plenty willing to sacrifice Americans simply because it keeps the war machine going. Simple as that.

What is idiotic is your post which assumes there will always be terrorists in the Middle East that want to kill Americans.

Correct! We need to get back to ( insert peaceful time in ME here).

Porteroso, when was that time?

False question. It's one thing for the Middle Easterners to want to war with their neighbors. It's another for us to keep killing so many of them, or overthrowing their governments, that they want to go half a world away to blow themselves up amongst Americans.

I'm ok with crippling their missile program, or removing their nuclear material from the equation. What is bad, is that this was so poorly thought through that we had to beg allies to join our war, and now that they haven't, we have decided that leaving, having accomplished very little in the grand scheme of things, while they control the Strait of Hormuz and might start taxing it, or stay a bit longer and bomb civilian infrastructure, are our 2 options.

It's such an insane ****show, and we might have to just reload and do it again in 10 years, which should be entirely unacceptable. They are like 1 good physicist away from creating nuclear weapons, and we apparently went to war with them, not to remove that threat, but simply to close and reopen the Strait of Hormuz.

All these posts about "dealing with the threat that is Iran...." we haven't gotten close, and it looks like we won't for some time. People reveling in mass destruction and death just irk me, whether they are terrorists or whiterock.

When did ME countries not attack outside of the ME? Maybe before the Egyptian civilization?

The Middle East is where the most lucrative trade routes have been for thousands of years.


Just curious what Iranian attacks have occurred on the US outside the ME? Maybe I missed something. Israel, definitely. US proper? Saudii they attacked us 9/11. Iran?

So you are willing to ignore all the terror attacks against US citizens just because it didn't happen in the US?

No, who said that? I want a list. Similar to Lockerbee 103, 9/11 and the others. Nothing complicated, just what we connect to Iran. We know that Hamas has killed 46 on October 7, supporting Israel against Hamas no issues.

We are spending Billions and are about to go after the life support for the population, power and desalinization. Reminding us of what Iran did to deserve this does not seem out of bounds. Beyond the fund terror... That is abstract, tie it to real events that Iran did.

I mean a simple Google search will give you that list but you could start with:

1983 Beirut and then end with October 7 and just fill in all the events in between.

But none outside the Middle East.


And?

Several have insisted that Iran is attacking us all around the globe, so I assume they think their case for war is weaker without that element.
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Realitybites said:

LIB,MR BEARS said:

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I don't think this part has been talked about enough. The rescued WSO was a Full Colonel. His next rank is General. The dude has some classified information in his head.

Can you imagine what he would have gone through had he been captured? Can you imagine the win for Iran, China and Russia had he been captured?

I think it is safe to say that, at a minimum, China would have participated in his interrogation. Can you imagine the issues that would have arisen between the US and China.

The rescue is huge on its own but even more so because of what it could have become had it failed.


No idea what classified information he knew or didn't know, but a Colonel on track for promotion to General isn't in an F-15 behind enemy lines. He had achieved his terminal rank.
Pilots flying battle sorties are promoted fast. Checking his age relative to rank will tell you more.
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historian said:

Porteroso said:

historian said:

Porteroso said:

Doc Holliday said:




Trump is so dumb. We are ensuring the next generation of terrorists truly hates America.

I cannot believe the cheerleaders here for mass murder and destruction.

How idiotic!
Has there ever been a generation of terrorists that did not hate America???
If you are not cheering on the US then you are a cheerleader for the Iranian regime, terrorists who have been bass murdering people for 47 years. In January of this year they slaughtered up to 45k of their own people for peacefully protesting against their tyranny.

People on the Left who try to take the moral high ground always end up looking like fools.

To answer the question, yes there have been many generation of Iranians that didn't hate America, and were not terrorists. With each new generation of Middle Easterners, we renew their hatred of America since the 70s. It doesn't have to be that way.

I think we are plenty willing to sacrifice Americans simply because it keeps the war machine going. Simple as that.

What is idiotic is your post which assumes there will always be terrorists in the Middle East that want to kill Americans.

If you knew anything about the history of Islam you would not demonstrate such ignorance. Ever since Muhammad, Muslims have hated "infidels" and wanted to kill them, meaning us. It's still true today, especially among the more fanatical. Are you aware that Iran has called the US "the Great Satan" since 1979? They hate us because we are not Muslims and as the most powerful country, the greatest obstacle to all their ambitions.

Blaming the US, Israel, or the west in general is merely blaming the victims.

They've been calling people "infidels" since Muhammad and us the "Great Satan" since 1979. We've been calling them "crazy *******s" since yesterday.

We've got some catching up to do.
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Sam Lowry said:

historian said:

Porteroso said:

historian said:

Porteroso said:

Doc Holliday said:




Trump is so dumb. We are ensuring the next generation of terrorists truly hates America.

I cannot believe the cheerleaders here for mass murder and destruction.

How idiotic!
Has there ever been a generation of terrorists that did not hate America???
If you are not cheering on the US then you are a cheerleader for the Iranian regime, terrorists who have been bass murdering people for 47 years. In January of this year they slaughtered up to 45k of their own people for peacefully protesting against their tyranny.

People on the Left who try to take the moral high ground always end up looking like fools.

To answer the question, yes there have been many generation of Iranians that didn't hate America, and were not terrorists. With each new generation of Middle Easterners, we renew their hatred of America since the 70s. It doesn't have to be that way.

I think we are plenty willing to sacrifice Americans simply because it keeps the war machine going. Simple as that.

What is idiotic is your post which assumes there will always be terrorists in the Middle East that want to kill Americans.

If you knew anything about the history of Islam you would not demonstrate such ignorance. Ever since Muhammad, Muslims have hated "infidels" and wanted to kill them, meaning us. It's still true today, especially among the more fanatical. Are you aware that Iran has called the US "the Great Satan" since 1979? They hate us because we are not Muslims and as the most powerful country, the greatest obstacle to all their ambitions.

Blaming the US, Israel, or the west in general is merely blaming the victims.

Muslims consider pagans to be infidels, not Christians or Jews.
that is blatantly false, and you know it
Mr. Treehorn treats objects like women, man.
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Sam Lowry said:

historian said:

Porteroso said:

historian said:

Porteroso said:

Doc Holliday said:




Trump is so dumb. We are ensuring the next generation of terrorists truly hates America.

I cannot believe the cheerleaders here for mass murder and destruction.

How idiotic!
Has there ever been a generation of terrorists that did not hate America???
If you are not cheering on the US then you are a cheerleader for the Iranian regime, terrorists who have been bass murdering people for 47 years. In January of this year they slaughtered up to 45k of their own people for peacefully protesting against their tyranny.

People on the Left who try to take the moral high ground always end up looking like fools.

To answer the question, yes there have been many generation of Iranians that didn't hate America, and were not terrorists. With each new generation of Middle Easterners, we renew their hatred of America since the 70s. It doesn't have to be that way.

I think we are plenty willing to sacrifice Americans simply because it keeps the war machine going. Simple as that.

What is idiotic is your post which assumes there will always be terrorists in the Middle East that want to kill Americans.

If you knew anything about the history of Islam you would not demonstrate such ignorance. Ever since Muhammad, Muslims have hated "infidels" and wanted to kill them, meaning us. It's still true today, especially among the more fanatical. Are you aware that Iran has called the US "the Great Satan" since 1979? They hate us because we are not Muslims and as the most powerful country, the greatest obstacle to all their ambitions.

Blaming the US, Israel, or the west in general is merely blaming the victims.

Muslims consider pagans to be infidels, not Christians or Jews.
That's incorrect. And the Iranian leadership loves to label the U.S. as kafir-al-harbi.
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cowboycwr said:

Porteroso said:

EatMoreSalmon said:

Porteroso said:

LIB,MR BEARS said:

Porteroso said:

historian said:

Porteroso said:

Doc Holliday said:




Trump is so dumb. We are ensuring the next generation of terrorists truly hates America.

I cannot believe the cheerleaders here for mass murder and destruction.

How idiotic!
Has there ever been a generation of terrorists that did not hate America???
If you are not cheering on the US then you are a cheerleader for the Iranian regime, terrorists who have been bass murdering people for 47 years. In January of this year they slaughtered up to 45k of their own people for peacefully protesting against their tyranny.

People on the Left who try to take the moral high ground always end up looking like fools.

To answer the question, yes there have been many generation of Iranians that didn't hate America, and were not terrorists. With each new generation of Middle Easterners, we renew their hatred of America since the 70s. It doesn't have to be that way.

I think we are plenty willing to sacrifice Americans simply because it keeps the war machine going. Simple as that.

What is idiotic is your post which assumes there will always be terrorists in the Middle East that want to kill Americans.

Correct! We need to get back to ( insert peaceful time in ME here).

Porteroso, when was that time?

False question. It's one thing for the Middle Easterners to want to war with their neighbors. It's another for us to keep killing so many of them, or overthrowing their governments, that they want to go half a world away to blow themselves up amongst Americans.

I'm ok with crippling their missile program, or removing their nuclear material from the equation. What is bad, is that this was so poorly thought through that we had to beg allies to join our war, and now that they haven't, we have decided that leaving, having accomplished very little in the grand scheme of things, while they control the Strait of Hormuz and might start taxing it, or stay a bit longer and bomb civilian infrastructure, are our 2 options.

It's such an insane ****show, and we might have to just reload and do it again in 10 years, which should be entirely unacceptable. They are like 1 good physicist away from creating nuclear weapons, and we apparently went to war with them, not to remove that threat, but simply to close and reopen the Strait of Hormuz.

All these posts about "dealing with the threat that is Iran...." we haven't gotten close, and it looks like we won't for some time. People reveling in mass destruction and death just irk me, whether they are terrorists or whiterock.

When did ME countries not attack outside of the ME? Maybe before the Egyptian civilization?

The Middle East is where the most lucrative trade routes have been for thousands of years.

They rarely attacked outside the Middle East, Africa, Southern Europe, throughout history. A few major excursions, sure.

LOL. Sure when you expand from the Middle east to INCLUDE the regions they expand out to and attack then of course it is limited to few areas they attack outside of. But that was not the original claim. The original claim is that when they stop killing each other they expand outside of the Middle East.

Read again. I made a claim, which received a fake response that twisted the conversation. Just read and try to comprehend.
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fubar said:

There are any number of reasons -- most of them not so good -- as to why a colonel might be flying in a combat area. I am almost certain of one thing: The colonel was not the pilot's "regular" WSO, and that fact means the crew's capabilities were degraded. How much I don't know.

But an O-6 sitting in the WSO seat has more access to classified information that an O-3 sitting in that same seat would have. Without question.

We should all be glad he was rescued.

More than likely he filling in for someone. If he's a rated O-6, then he would have most likely been the Group CC or the Wing DO. Maybe even the Wing CC or CD, although some Fighter Wings have 0-7 BGen billet for their CC.
A proud Baylor alum and US Air Force Veteran.
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historian said:

Porteroso said:

historian said:

Porteroso said:

Doc Holliday said:




Trump is so dumb. We are ensuring the next generation of terrorists truly hates America.

I cannot believe the cheerleaders here for mass murder and destruction.

How idiotic!
Has there ever been a generation of terrorists that did not hate America???
If you are not cheering on the US then you are a cheerleader for the Iranian regime, terrorists who have been bass murdering people for 47 years. In January of this year they slaughtered up to 45k of their own people for peacefully protesting against their tyranny.

People on the Left who try to take the moral high ground always end up looking like fools.

To answer the question, yes there have been many generation of Iranians that didn't hate America, and were not terrorists. With each new generation of Middle Easterners, we renew their hatred of America since the 70s. It doesn't have to be that way.

I think we are plenty willing to sacrifice Americans simply because it keeps the war machine going. Simple as that.

What is idiotic is your post which assumes there will always be terrorists in the Middle East that want to kill Americans.

If you knew anything about the history of Islam you would not demonstrate such ignorance. Ever since Muhammad, Muslims have hated "infidels" and wanted to kill them, meaning us. It's still true today, especially among the more fanatical. Are you aware that Iran has called the US "the Great Satan" since 1979? They hate us because we are not Muslims and as the most powerful country, the greatest obstacle to all their ambitions.

Blaming the US, Israel, or the west in general is merely blaming the victims.

My god. Iranians did not particularly hate America until the 70s. We helped make it that way. It doesn't have to stay that way. Pick up a book.
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ATL Bear said:

Sam Lowry said:

historian said:

Porteroso said:

historian said:

Porteroso said:

Doc Holliday said:




Trump is so dumb. We are ensuring the next generation of terrorists truly hates America.

I cannot believe the cheerleaders here for mass murder and destruction.

How idiotic!
Has there ever been a generation of terrorists that did not hate America???
If you are not cheering on the US then you are a cheerleader for the Iranian regime, terrorists who have been bass murdering people for 47 years. In January of this year they slaughtered up to 45k of their own people for peacefully protesting against their tyranny.

People on the Left who try to take the moral high ground always end up looking like fools.

To answer the question, yes there have been many generation of Iranians that didn't hate America, and were not terrorists. With each new generation of Middle Easterners, we renew their hatred of America since the 70s. It doesn't have to be that way.

I think we are plenty willing to sacrifice Americans simply because it keeps the war machine going. Simple as that.

What is idiotic is your post which assumes there will always be terrorists in the Middle East that want to kill Americans.

If you knew anything about the history of Islam you would not demonstrate such ignorance. Ever since Muhammad, Muslims have hated "infidels" and wanted to kill them, meaning us. It's still true today, especially among the more fanatical. Are you aware that Iran has called the US "the Great Satan" since 1979? They hate us because we are not Muslims and as the most powerful country, the greatest obstacle to all their ambitions.

Blaming the US, Israel, or the west in general is merely blaming the victims.

Muslims consider pagans to be infidels, not Christians or Jews.

That's incorrect. And the Iranian leadership loves to label the U.S. as kafir-al-harbi.

It is correct, and kafir-al-harbi is very different from infidel.
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Sam Lowry said:

ATL Bear said:

Sam Lowry said:

historian said:

Porteroso said:

historian said:

Porteroso said:

Doc Holliday said:




Trump is so dumb. We are ensuring the next generation of terrorists truly hates America.

I cannot believe the cheerleaders here for mass murder and destruction.

How idiotic!
Has there ever been a generation of terrorists that did not hate America???
If you are not cheering on the US then you are a cheerleader for the Iranian regime, terrorists who have been bass murdering people for 47 years. In January of this year they slaughtered up to 45k of their own people for peacefully protesting against their tyranny.

People on the Left who try to take the moral high ground always end up looking like fools.

To answer the question, yes there have been many generation of Iranians that didn't hate America, and were not terrorists. With each new generation of Middle Easterners, we renew their hatred of America since the 70s. It doesn't have to be that way.

I think we are plenty willing to sacrifice Americans simply because it keeps the war machine going. Simple as that.

What is idiotic is your post which assumes there will always be terrorists in the Middle East that want to kill Americans.

If you knew anything about the history of Islam you would not demonstrate such ignorance. Ever since Muhammad, Muslims have hated "infidels" and wanted to kill them, meaning us. It's still true today, especially among the more fanatical. Are you aware that Iran has called the US "the Great Satan" since 1979? They hate us because we are not Muslims and as the most powerful country, the greatest obstacle to all their ambitions.

Blaming the US, Israel, or the west in general is merely blaming the victims.

Muslims consider pagans to be infidels, not Christians or Jews.

That's incorrect. And the Iranian leadership loves to label the U.S. as kafir-al-harbi.

It is correct, and kafir-al-harbi is very different from infidel.
Infidel is the English term for Kafir. There are multiple levels of it. The Ayatollahs, ISIS, Boko Haram, etc. use Takfir to declare groups like the U.S. and others Kafirs or Kuffar.
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The_barBEARian said:

Many Americans do not want the enemy Israeli regime having nuclear weapons either that they have used to blackmail our country since the Yom Kippur war.

When are we going to bomb Israel until they dismantle their nuclear program?

No need to bomb them. They are our best ally.
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ATL Bear said:

Sam Lowry said:

ATL Bear said:

Sam Lowry said:

historian said:

Porteroso said:

historian said:

Porteroso said:

Doc Holliday said:




Trump is so dumb. We are ensuring the next generation of terrorists truly hates America.

I cannot believe the cheerleaders here for mass murder and destruction.

How idiotic!
Has there ever been a generation of terrorists that did not hate America???
If you are not cheering on the US then you are a cheerleader for the Iranian regime, terrorists who have been bass murdering people for 47 years. In January of this year they slaughtered up to 45k of their own people for peacefully protesting against their tyranny.

People on the Left who try to take the moral high ground always end up looking like fools.

To answer the question, yes there have been many generation of Iranians that didn't hate America, and were not terrorists. With each new generation of Middle Easterners, we renew their hatred of America since the 70s. It doesn't have to be that way.

I think we are plenty willing to sacrifice Americans simply because it keeps the war machine going. Simple as that.

What is idiotic is your post which assumes there will always be terrorists in the Middle East that want to kill Americans.

If you knew anything about the history of Islam you would not demonstrate such ignorance. Ever since Muhammad, Muslims have hated "infidels" and wanted to kill them, meaning us. It's still true today, especially among the more fanatical. Are you aware that Iran has called the US "the Great Satan" since 1979? They hate us because we are not Muslims and as the most powerful country, the greatest obstacle to all their ambitions.

Blaming the US, Israel, or the west in general is merely blaming the victims.

Muslims consider pagans to be infidels, not Christians or Jews.

That's incorrect. And the Iranian leadership loves to label the U.S. as kafir-al-harbi.

It is correct, and kafir-al-harbi is very different from infidel.

Infidel is the English term for Kafir. There are multiple levels of it. The Ayatollahs, ISIS, Boko Haram, etc. use Takfir to declare groups like the U.S. and others Kafirs or Kuffar.

It's a broad term whose meaning depends on context. The Koran distinguishes between pagans, who are considered enemies, and People of the Book, who worship the same God. The idea that Muslims have some general mandate to kill non-Muslims is false and harmful.
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FLBear5630 said:

EatMoreSalmon said:

FLBear5630 said:

cowboycwr said:

FLBear5630 said:

cowboycwr said:

FLBear5630 said:

EatMoreSalmon said:

Porteroso said:

LIB,MR BEARS said:

Porteroso said:

historian said:

Porteroso said:

Doc Holliday said:




Trump is so dumb. We are ensuring the next generation of terrorists truly hates America.

I cannot believe the cheerleaders here for mass murder and destruction.

How idiotic!
Has there ever been a generation of terrorists that did not hate America???
If you are not cheering on the US then you are a cheerleader for the Iranian regime, terrorists who have been bass murdering people for 47 years. In January of this year they slaughtered up to 45k of their own people for peacefully protesting against their tyranny.

People on the Left who try to take the moral high ground always end up looking like fools.

To answer the question, yes there have been many generation of Iranians that didn't hate America, and were not terrorists. With each new generation of Middle Easterners, we renew their hatred of America since the 70s. It doesn't have to be that way.

I think we are plenty willing to sacrifice Americans simply because it keeps the war machine going. Simple as that.

What is idiotic is your post which assumes there will always be terrorists in the Middle East that want to kill Americans.

Correct! We need to get back to ( insert peaceful time in ME here).

Porteroso, when was that time?

False question. It's one thing for the Middle Easterners to want to war with their neighbors. It's another for us to keep killing so many of them, or overthrowing their governments, that they want to go half a world away to blow themselves up amongst Americans.

I'm ok with crippling their missile program, or removing their nuclear material from the equation. What is bad, is that this was so poorly thought through that we had to beg allies to join our war, and now that they haven't, we have decided that leaving, having accomplished very little in the grand scheme of things, while they control the Strait of Hormuz and might start taxing it, or stay a bit longer and bomb civilian infrastructure, are our 2 options.

It's such an insane ****show, and we might have to just reload and do it again in 10 years, which should be entirely unacceptable. They are like 1 good physicist away from creating nuclear weapons, and we apparently went to war with them, not to remove that threat, but simply to close and reopen the Strait of Hormuz.

All these posts about "dealing with the threat that is Iran...." we haven't gotten close, and it looks like we won't for some time. People reveling in mass destruction and death just irk me, whether they are terrorists or whiterock.

When did ME countries not attack outside of the ME? Maybe before the Egyptian civilization?

The Middle East is where the most lucrative trade routes have been for thousands of years.


Just curious what Iranian attacks have occurred on the US outside the ME? Maybe I missed something. Israel, definitely. US proper? Saudii they attacked us 9/11. Iran?

So you are willing to ignore all the terror attacks against US citizens just because it didn't happen in the US?

No, who said that? I want a list. Similar to Lockerbee 103, 9/11 and the others. Nothing complicated, just what we connect to Iran. We know that Hamas has killed 46 on October 7, supporting Israel against Hamas no issues.

We are spending Billions and are about to go after the life support for the population, power and desalinization. Reminding us of what Iran did to deserve this does not seem out of bounds. Beyond the fund terror... That is abstract, tie it to real events that Iran did.

I mean a simple Google search will give you that list but you could start with:

1983 Beirut and then end with October 7 and just fill in all the events in between.

Here is the problem I see alot of Palestinians, Houthi's, Hezbollah, and Hamas. Not a lot or really any Iran.

So, if we bomb Iran to the stoneage, they won't just get their supplies elsewhere? NK, Pakistan, Russia, China, or any other of their proxies? Hezbollah, Houthi's and Hamas are going to cease to be a problem?

Hezbollah has been an arm of Iron for quite a long time. So, yes.
They have been making inroads into South America and were in Venezuela.

No issues fight Hezbollah. The problem I have with the Iran strategy is that we are not destroying the ones actually pulling the trigger. Iran is gone, they will get their weapons somewhere else.

Yeah, I keep hearing that "arm of". "proxy". You keep forgetting those people want to pull the trigger, they are just getting supplies from Iran.



beyond obtuse, actually inverted in the extreme. That's like saying focus on the Warsaw Pact because taking out the USSR won't have any impact.....the East Europeans will still hate us and get their weapons somewhere else. I mean, seriously. You're saying China should ignore the USA and just focus on South Korea, or Australia, or. Japan, or.....

what a great example of what neverTrumpism does to a brain....


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Sam neglects to observe that Jews, 'people of the Book' according to the Quran, are also accorded several sections wherein Muslims are directed to hunt down and kill Jews.

As for Christians, the hadiths also have a great number of commands where Christians may and should be lied to, cheated, tricked and when opportune, killed for not being Muslims.

And that doesn't even touch what Muslims are told to do to a Muslim who converts to Christianity.
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Sam Lowry said:

ATL Bear said:

Sam Lowry said:

ATL Bear said:

Sam Lowry said:

historian said:

Porteroso said:

historian said:

Porteroso said:

Doc Holliday said:




Trump is so dumb. We are ensuring the next generation of terrorists truly hates America.

I cannot believe the cheerleaders here for mass murder and destruction.

How idiotic!
Has there ever been a generation of terrorists that did not hate America???
If you are not cheering on the US then you are a cheerleader for the Iranian regime, terrorists who have been bass murdering people for 47 years. In January of this year they slaughtered up to 45k of their own people for peacefully protesting against their tyranny.

People on the Left who try to take the moral high ground always end up looking like fools.

To answer the question, yes there have been many generation of Iranians that didn't hate America, and were not terrorists. With each new generation of Middle Easterners, we renew their hatred of America since the 70s. It doesn't have to be that way.

I think we are plenty willing to sacrifice Americans simply because it keeps the war machine going. Simple as that.

What is idiotic is your post which assumes there will always be terrorists in the Middle East that want to kill Americans.

If you knew anything about the history of Islam you would not demonstrate such ignorance. Ever since Muhammad, Muslims have hated "infidels" and wanted to kill them, meaning us. It's still true today, especially among the more fanatical. Are you aware that Iran has called the US "the Great Satan" since 1979? They hate us because we are not Muslims and as the most powerful country, the greatest obstacle to all their ambitions.

Blaming the US, Israel, or the west in general is merely blaming the victims.

Muslims consider pagans to be infidels, not Christians or Jews.

That's incorrect. And the Iranian leadership loves to label the U.S. as kafir-al-harbi.

It is correct, and kafir-al-harbi is very different from infidel.

Infidel is the English term for Kafir. There are multiple levels of it. The Ayatollahs, ISIS, Boko Haram, etc. use Takfir to declare groups like the U.S. and others Kafirs or Kuffar.

It's a broad term whose meaning depends on context. The Koran distinguishes between pagans, who are considered enemies, and People of the Book, who worship the same God. The idea that Muslims have some general mandate to kill non-Muslims is false and harmful.

It'd be easier if they just called us "crazy *******s."
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trey3216 said:

Sam Lowry said:

historian said:

Porteroso said:

historian said:

Porteroso said:

Doc Holliday said:




Trump is so dumb. We are ensuring the next generation of terrorists truly hates America.

I cannot believe the cheerleaders here for mass murder and destruction.

How idiotic!
Has there ever been a generation of terrorists that did not hate America???
If you are not cheering on the US then you are a cheerleader for the Iranian regime, terrorists who have been bass murdering people for 47 years. In January of this year they slaughtered up to 45k of their own people for peacefully protesting against their tyranny.

People on the Left who try to take the moral high ground always end up looking like fools.

To answer the question, yes there have been many generation of Iranians that didn't hate America, and were not terrorists. With each new generation of Middle Easterners, we renew their hatred of America since the 70s. It doesn't have to be that way.

I think we are plenty willing to sacrifice Americans simply because it keeps the war machine going. Simple as that.

What is idiotic is your post which assumes there will always be terrorists in the Middle East that want to kill Americans.

If you knew anything about the history of Islam you would not demonstrate such ignorance. Ever since Muhammad, Muslims have hated "infidels" and wanted to kill them, meaning us. It's still true today, especially among the more fanatical. Are you aware that Iran has called the US "the Great Satan" since 1979? They hate us because we are not Muslims and as the most powerful country, the greatest obstacle to all their ambitions.

Blaming the US, Israel, or the west in general is merely blaming the victims.

Muslims consider pagans to be infidels, not Christians or Jews.

that is blatantly false, and you know it

He is, for once, correct. Islam claims the entire Judeo-Christian tradition as its own. Jesus is the most frequently mentioned person in the Koran. Moses is mentioned 136 times. Muhammad is merely the last in a long line of Jewish/Christian prophets. Muslims are instructed to consider Christians & Jews are "peoples of the book," to be treated better than the "polytheists," whose existence is is an outrage. Islam is irritably intolerant of "shirk."

The islamists typically justify their attacks on Christianity as a form of shirk (the "Trinity" being defined as polytheism). They typically justify their attacks on Jews by virtue of the existence of a Jewish state in islamic lands (denying sharia).

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Porteroso said:

historian said:

Porteroso said:

historian said:

Porteroso said:

Doc Holliday said:




Trump is so dumb. We are ensuring the next generation of terrorists truly hates America.

I cannot believe the cheerleaders here for mass murder and destruction.

How idiotic!
Has there ever been a generation of terrorists that did not hate America???
If you are not cheering on the US then you are a cheerleader for the Iranian regime, terrorists who have been bass murdering people for 47 years. In January of this year they slaughtered up to 45k of their own people for peacefully protesting against their tyranny.

People on the Left who try to take the moral high ground always end up looking like fools.

To answer the question, yes there have been many generation of Iranians that didn't hate America, and were not terrorists. With each new generation of Middle Easterners, we renew their hatred of America since the 70s. It doesn't have to be that way.

I think we are plenty willing to sacrifice Americans simply because it keeps the war machine going. Simple as that.

What is idiotic is your post which assumes there will always be terrorists in the Middle East that want to kill Americans.

If you knew anything about the history of Islam you would not demonstrate such ignorance. Ever since Muhammad, Muslims have hated "infidels" and wanted to kill them, meaning us. It's still true today, especially among the more fanatical. Are you aware that Iran has called the US "the Great Satan" since 1979? They hate us because we are not Muslims and as the most powerful country, the greatest obstacle to all their ambitions.

Blaming the US, Israel, or the west in general is merely blaming the victims.

My god. Iranians did not particularly hate America until the 70s. We helped make it that way. It doesn't have to stay that way. Pick up a book.

The Iranian people mostly loved/love us. The Iranian islamists hated us all the way back to our beginning. Unfortunately, the Islamists have run the country for the last 47 years, so......

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Oldbear83 said:

Sam neglects to observe that Jews, 'people of the Book' according to the Quran, are also accorded several sections wherein Muslims are directed to hunt down and kill Jews.

As for Christians, the hadiths also have a great number of commands where Christians may and should be lied to, cheated, tricked and when opportune, killed for not being Muslims.

And that doesn't even touch what Muslims are told to do to a Muslim who converts to Christianity.

Asked and answered a long time ago.
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Well, the Quran insists on calling Christ 'Isa', and while the book assures us Christ was the Messiah, in no way does it acknowledge His Person nor the Gospel, instead very falsely claiming 'Isa' testified in support of Muhammed.

Straight blasphemy. and no doubt about that.
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Oldbear83 said:

Well, the Quran insists on calling Christ 'Isa', and while the book assures us Christ was the Messiah, in no way does it acknowledge His Person nor the Gospel, instead very falsely claiming 'Isa' testified in support of Muhammed.

Straight blasphemy. and no doubt about that.

So what? Surely you're not saying you hate them for being non-Christian.
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Sam Lowry said:

Oldbear83 said:

Well, the Quran insists on calling Christ 'Isa', and while the book assures us Christ was the Messiah, in no way does it acknowledge His Person nor the Gospel, instead very falsely claiming 'Isa' testified in support of Muhammed.

Straight blasphemy. and no doubt about that.

So what? Surely you're not saying you hate them for being non-Christian.

Mullah Sam confirms he is cool with Blasphemy.
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RP suggests something else was going on

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Oldbear83 said:

Sam Lowry said:

Oldbear83 said:

Well, the Quran insists on calling Christ 'Isa', and while the book assures us Christ was the Messiah, in no way does it acknowledge His Person nor the Gospel, instead very falsely claiming 'Isa' testified in support of Muhammed.

Straight blasphemy. and no doubt about that.

So what? Surely you're not saying you hate them for being non-Christian.

Mullah Sam confirms he is cool with Blasphemy.

Far from it. But do you consider it a declaration of war? Have you ever turned on a TV or listened to a pop artist? Our society is full of blasphemy.
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