Oldbear83 said:

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Iran's cheerleaders here in force today, be it Sam, FLBear, barB or any other of the mullahs in mufti.


Anything to hate the American effort.

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This is Israel's effort and everyone with an above room temp IQ understands that.

Redbrickbear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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whiterock said:

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historian said:

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whiterock said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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Many Americans do not want the enemy Israeli regime having nuclear weapons either that they have used to blackmail our country since the Yom Kippur war.

When are we going to bomb Israel until they dismantle their nuclear program?

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No need to bomb them. They are our best ally.

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Also, they don't gave an apocalyptic ideology of routinely threaten their neighbors. Israel's nuclear program is strictly defensive as demonstrated by how many times they have used nukes in warfare. Antisemites have trouble making rational distinctions because they are consumed by their bigotry which is totally irrational.

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and the reality that they actually have a rational existential need for nuclear weapons - a tiny, resource-poor country surrounded by hostile neighbors who have repeatedly attacked them. Iran, by comparison, has almost zero existential need for nuclear weapons. it is an enormous, resource rich country of nearly 100m people who has little reason to fear annihilation from any of its neighbors.

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Whiterock: "Iran has little reason to fear annihilation."

Trump: "A whole civilization will die tonight, never to be brought back again."

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Dump statement by Trump

But even dumper to believe that he or anyone in the West really means that or intends to carry out such a thing.

We did not destroy Japanese civilization or German or Italian Civilization in WWII

And those of course were far more destructive existential conflicts with justification for wars of obliteration.

The USA has never waged war on any nation state with the intention of never rehabilitating it and one day making it an ally.

We literally don't even know how to wage wars like that were we don't at least plan on one day being friends with them in some form.

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Nothing we can do will cause Iran to submit.

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Uh...you can always force a State to submit

"If you kill enough of them, they stop fighting" -Gen. Curtis LeMay

That is a simple and historic fact.

Now....might not be worth our time or money to do so....but it can be done.

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LeMay had a military, in coalition with others, that was capable of winning the war.

Redbrickbear said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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whiterock said:

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historian said:

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whiterock said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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Many Americans do not want the enemy Israeli regime having nuclear weapons either that they have used to blackmail our country since the Yom Kippur war.

When are we going to bomb Israel until they dismantle their nuclear program?

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No need to bomb them. They are our best ally.

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Also, they don't gave an apocalyptic ideology of routinely threaten their neighbors. Israel's nuclear program is strictly defensive as demonstrated by how many times they have used nukes in warfare. Antisemites have trouble making rational distinctions because they are consumed by their bigotry which is totally irrational.

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and the reality that they actually have a rational existential need for nuclear weapons - a tiny, resource-poor country surrounded by hostile neighbors who have repeatedly attacked them. Iran, by comparison, has almost zero existential need for nuclear weapons. it is an enormous, resource rich country of nearly 100m people who has little reason to fear annihilation from any of its neighbors.

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Another issue is that under international law Iran has NO right to acquire nuclear weapons regardless of if it feels they are "needed" or not.

[Under the 1968 Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT), only five nations -the USA, Russia, UK, France, and China -are recognized as nuclear weapon states, having tested devices before 1967. All other signatories pledge not to acquire them]

[Iran signed the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT) in July 1968 and ratified it in February 1970. As a non-nuclear-weapon state party, Iran is legally committed to not acquiring nuclear weapons and to permitting IAEA inspections under its 1974 safeguards agreement. Iran remains a party, though it has recently debated exiting]

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You know who hasn't signed? Also, US intelligence doesn't agree that Iran has been actively pursuing a bomb. I trust our people.

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India, Israel, Pakistan, and South Africa.

And South Africa eventually gave up their weapons.

Now that is a different discussion of if Israel and others should have them.

But that is not actually relevant to the idea that Iran should not.

I am not happy that Pakistan has them...but just because the loons in Islamabad have nukes does not mean the nuts in Tehran should.

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I don't see that as a valid question. I'm not convinced anyone should have them. (But countries do and we use diplomacy to maintain positive relations)

I am sure that we are the aggressors in this attack when our intelligence says they do not have them and didn't pose a threat.

Even if our intelligence was wrong, we bombed them while in negotiations to prevent them from having nukes. Even crazier, the terms we were working g on looks like the ones we got in 2016.

I don't know how you begin the find a path to peace when you you bomb while in negotiations.

🚨BREAKING: Iran has cut off all diplomatic and backchannel communication with the U.S. All message exchanges are now suspended, according to Tehran Times.

— Republicans against Trump (@RpsAgainstTrump) April 7, 2026

Mitch Blood Green said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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whiterock said:

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historian said:

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whiterock said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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Many Americans do not want the enemy Israeli regime having nuclear weapons either that they have used to blackmail our country since the Yom Kippur war.

When are we going to bomb Israel until they dismantle their nuclear program?

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No need to bomb them. They are our best ally.

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Also, they don't gave an apocalyptic ideology of routinely threaten their neighbors. Israel's nuclear program is strictly defensive as demonstrated by how many times they have used nukes in warfare. Antisemites have trouble making rational distinctions because they are consumed by their bigotry which is totally irrational.

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and the reality that they actually have a rational existential need for nuclear weapons - a tiny, resource-poor country surrounded by hostile neighbors who have repeatedly attacked them. Iran, by comparison, has almost zero existential need for nuclear weapons. it is an enormous, resource rich country of nearly 100m people who has little reason to fear annihilation from any of its neighbors.

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Another issue is that under international law Iran has NO right to acquire nuclear weapons regardless of if it feels they are "needed" or not.

[Under the 1968 Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT), only five nations -the USA, Russia, UK, France, and China -are recognized as nuclear weapon states, having tested devices before 1967. All other signatories pledge not to acquire them]

[Iran signed the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT) in July 1968 and ratified it in February 1970. As a non-nuclear-weapon state party, Iran is legally committed to not acquiring nuclear weapons and to permitting IAEA inspections under its 1974 safeguards agreement. Iran remains a party, though it has recently debated exiting]

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You know who hasn't signed? Also, US intelligence doesn't agree that Iran has been actively pursuing a bomb. I trust our people.

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India, Israel, Pakistan, and South Africa.

And South Africa eventually gave up their weapons.

Now that is a different discussion of if Israel and others should have them.

But that is not actually relevant to the idea that Iran should not.

I am not happy that Pakistan has them...but just because the loons in Islamabad have nukes does not mean the nuts in Tehran should.

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I don't see that as a valid question. I'm not convinced anyone should have them. (But countries do and we use diplomacy to maintain positive relations)

I am sure that we are the aggressors in this attack when our intelligence says they do not have them and didn't pose a threat.

Even if our intelligence was wrong, we bombed them while in negotiations to prevent them from having nukes. Even crazier, the terms we were working g on looks like the ones we got in 2016.

I don't know how you begin the find a path to peace when you you bomb while in negotiations.

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They were actually better terms than we had in 2016. Iran was prepared to give up its own enrichment program and import its uranium from approved sources.

Anyway, none of this is about the nuclear program any more than Iraq was about the non-existent WMD.

boognish_bear said:

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🚨BREAKING: Iran has cut off all diplomatic and backchannel communication with the U.S. All message exchanges are now suspended, according to Tehran Times.

— Republicans against Trump (@RpsAgainstTrump) April 7, 2026

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I'd like to hear from those who support this war. If you were Iran, what would you do?

Sam Lowry said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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whiterock said:

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historian said:

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whiterock said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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Many Americans do not want the enemy Israeli regime having nuclear weapons either that they have used to blackmail our country since the Yom Kippur war.

When are we going to bomb Israel until they dismantle their nuclear program?

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No need to bomb them. They are our best ally.

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Also, they don't gave an apocalyptic ideology of routinely threaten their neighbors. Israel's nuclear program is strictly defensive as demonstrated by how many times they have used nukes in warfare. Antisemites have trouble making rational distinctions because they are consumed by their bigotry which is totally irrational.

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and the reality that they actually have a rational existential need for nuclear weapons - a tiny, resource-poor country surrounded by hostile neighbors who have repeatedly attacked them. Iran, by comparison, has almost zero existential need for nuclear weapons. it is an enormous, resource rich country of nearly 100m people who has little reason to fear annihilation from any of its neighbors.

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Whiterock: "Iran has little reason to fear annihilation."

Trump: "A whole civilization will die tonight, never to be brought back again."

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Dump statement by Trump

But even dumper to believe that he or anyone in the West really means that or intends to carry out such a thing.

We did not destroy Japanese civilization or German or Italian Civilization in WWII

And those of course were far more destructive existential conflicts with justification for wars of obliteration.

The USA has never waged war on any nation state with the intention of never rehabilitating it and one day making it an ally.

We literally don't even know how to wage wars like that were we don't at least plan on one day being friends with them in some form.

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Nothing we can do will cause Iran to submit.

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Uh...you can always force a State to submit

"If you kill enough of them, they stop fighting" -Gen. Curtis LeMay

That is a simple and historic fact.

Now....might not be worth our time or money to do so....but it can be done.

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LeMay had a military, in coalition with others, that was capable of winning the war.

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You think the USA in 2026 can't win a military conflict with Iran?

I can assure you its a even more unbalanced struggle than the one between the USA and its enemies in 1941

Mitch Blood Green said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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whiterock said:

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historian said:

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whiterock said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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Many Americans do not want the enemy Israeli regime having nuclear weapons either that they have used to blackmail our country since the Yom Kippur war.

When are we going to bomb Israel until they dismantle their nuclear program?

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No need to bomb them. They are our best ally.

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Also, they don't gave an apocalyptic ideology of routinely threaten their neighbors. Israel's nuclear program is strictly defensive as demonstrated by how many times they have used nukes in warfare. Antisemites have trouble making rational distinctions because they are consumed by their bigotry which is totally irrational.

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and the reality that they actually have a rational existential need for nuclear weapons - a tiny, resource-poor country surrounded by hostile neighbors who have repeatedly attacked them. Iran, by comparison, has almost zero existential need for nuclear weapons. it is an enormous, resource rich country of nearly 100m people who has little reason to fear annihilation from any of its neighbors.

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Another issue is that under international law Iran has NO right to acquire nuclear weapons regardless of if it feels they are "needed" or not.

[Under the 1968 Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT), only five nations -the USA, Russia, UK, France, and China -are recognized as nuclear weapon states, having tested devices before 1967. All other signatories pledge not to acquire them]

[Iran signed the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT) in July 1968 and ratified it in February 1970. As a non-nuclear-weapon state party, Iran is legally committed to not acquiring nuclear weapons and to permitting IAEA inspections under its 1974 safeguards agreement. Iran remains a party, though it has recently debated exiting]

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You know who hasn't signed? Also, US intelligence doesn't agree that Iran has been actively pursuing a bomb. I trust our people.

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India, Israel, Pakistan, and South Africa.

And South Africa eventually gave up their weapons.

Now that is a different discussion of if Israel and others should have them.

But that is not actually relevant to the idea that Iran should not.

I am not happy that Pakistan has them...but just because the loons in Islamabad have nukes does not mean the nuts in Tehran should.

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I don't see that as a valid question. I'm not convinced anyone should have them. (But countries do and we use diplomacy to maintain positive relations)

I am sure that we are the aggressors in this attack when our intelligence says they do not have them and didn't pose a threat.

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I don't think you will find any assessment from our intelligence services that Iran "does not pose a threat"

I also think questions about their nuclear program are of course mixed. Some think no final discission has been made to build the weapons and some think it has been made.

None disagree that Iran is now a "threshold State" with the capacity to do so.

[U.S. intelligence has described Iran as a "nuclear threshold state," meaning they possess the materials (60% enriched uranium) and expertise to build a bomb relatively quickly if they choose to]

Redbrickbear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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whiterock said:

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historian said:

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whiterock said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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Many Americans do not want the enemy Israeli regime having nuclear weapons either that they have used to blackmail our country since the Yom Kippur war.

When are we going to bomb Israel until they dismantle their nuclear program?

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No need to bomb them. They are our best ally.

---

Also, they don't gave an apocalyptic ideology of routinely threaten their neighbors. Israel's nuclear program is strictly defensive as demonstrated by how many times they have used nukes in warfare. Antisemites have trouble making rational distinctions because they are consumed by their bigotry which is totally irrational.

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and the reality that they actually have a rational existential need for nuclear weapons - a tiny, resource-poor country surrounded by hostile neighbors who have repeatedly attacked them. Iran, by comparison, has almost zero existential need for nuclear weapons. it is an enormous, resource rich country of nearly 100m people who has little reason to fear annihilation from any of its neighbors.

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Whiterock: "Iran has little reason to fear annihilation."

Trump: "A whole civilization will die tonight, never to be brought back again."

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Dump statement by Trump

But even dumper to believe that he or anyone in the West really means that or intends to carry out such a thing.

We did not destroy Japanese civilization or German or Italian Civilization in WWII

And those of course were far more destructive existential conflicts with justification for wars of obliteration.

The USA has never waged war on any nation state with the intention of never rehabilitating it and one day making it an ally.

We literally don't even know how to wage wars like that were we don't at least plan on one day being friends with them in some form.

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Nothing we can do will cause Iran to submit.

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Uh...you can always force a State to submit

"If you kill enough of them, they stop fighting" -Gen. Curtis LeMay

That is a simple and historic fact.

Now....might not be worth our time or money to do so....but it can be done.

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LeMay had a military, in coalition with others, that was capable of winning the war.

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You think the USA in 2026 can't win a military conflict with Iran?

I can assure you its a even more unbalanced struggle than the one between the USA and its enemies in 1941

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Do you consider Vietnam a victory?

You think that they read Trump's post this morning?
Yep, from someone who serves in the position which was once thought to be the leader of the free world and who got elected partially because he was touted as the "peace " president.

It's not that I am against the objective, it's the lack of leadership in the planning, preparation, implementation and inability to understand the pertinent history and culture of the enemy.

whiterock said:

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historian said:

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whiterock said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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Many Americans do not want the enemy Israeli regime having nuclear weapons either that they have used to blackmail our country since the Yom Kippur war.

When are we going to bomb Israel until they dismantle their nuclear program?

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No need to bomb them. They are our best ally.

---

Also, they don't gave an apocalyptic ideology of routinely threaten their neighbors. Israel's nuclear program is strictly defensive as demonstrated by how many times they have used nukes in warfare. Antisemites have trouble making rational distinctions because they are consumed by their bigotry which is totally irrational.

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and the reality that they actually have a rational existential need for nuclear weapons - a tiny, resource-poor country surrounded by hostile neighbors who have repeatedly attacked them. Iran, by comparison, has almost zero existential need for nuclear weapons. it is an enormous, resource rich country of nearly 100m people who has little reason to fear annihilation from any of its neighbors.

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The only threats Iran has from their neighbors are those they caused by attacking first.

Redbrickbear said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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whiterock said:

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historian said:

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whiterock said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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Many Americans do not want the enemy Israeli regime having nuclear weapons either that they have used to blackmail our country since the Yom Kippur war.

When are we going to bomb Israel until they dismantle their nuclear program?

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No need to bomb them. They are our best ally.

---

Also, they don't gave an apocalyptic ideology of routinely threaten their neighbors. Israel's nuclear program is strictly defensive as demonstrated by how many times they have used nukes in warfare. Antisemites have trouble making rational distinctions because they are consumed by their bigotry which is totally irrational.

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and the reality that they actually have a rational existential need for nuclear weapons - a tiny, resource-poor country surrounded by hostile neighbors who have repeatedly attacked them. Iran, by comparison, has almost zero existential need for nuclear weapons. it is an enormous, resource rich country of nearly 100m people who has little reason to fear annihilation from any of its neighbors.

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Another issue is that under international law Iran has NO right to acquire nuclear weapons regardless of if it feels they are "needed" or not.

[Under the 1968 Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT), only five nations -the USA, Russia, UK, France, and China -are recognized as nuclear weapon states, having tested devices before 1967. All other signatories pledge not to acquire them]

[Iran signed the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT) in July 1968 and ratified it in February 1970. As a non-nuclear-weapon state party, Iran is legally committed to not acquiring nuclear weapons and to permitting IAEA inspections under its 1974 safeguards agreement. Iran remains a party, though it has recently debated exiting]

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You know who hasn't signed? Also, US intelligence doesn't agree that Iran has been actively pursuing a bomb. I trust our people.

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India, Israel, Pakistan, and South Africa.

And South Africa eventually gave up their weapons.

Now that is a different discussion of if Israel and others should have them.

But that is not actually relevant to the idea that Iran should not.

I am not happy that Pakistan has them...but just because the loons in Islamabad have nukes does not mean the nuts in Tehran should.

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I don't see that as a valid question. I'm not convinced anyone should have them. (But countries do and we use diplomacy to maintain positive relations)

I am sure that we are the aggressors in this attack when our intelligence says they do not have them and didn't pose a threat.

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I don't think you will find any assessment from our intelligence services that Iran "does not pose a threat"

I also think questions about their nuclear program are of course mixed. Some think no final discission has been made to build the weapons and some think it has been made.

None disagree that Iran is now a "threshold State" with the capacity to do so.

[U.S. intelligence has described Iran as a "nuclear threshold state," meaning they possess the materials (60% enriched uranium) and expertise to build a bomb relatively quickly if they choose to]

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They for sure pose a threat now. Their military isn't the issue for us. But economically? We have some serious headwinds from this war.

Redbrickbear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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whiterock said:

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historian said:

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whiterock said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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Many Americans do not want the enemy Israeli regime having nuclear weapons either that they have used to blackmail our country since the Yom Kippur war.

When are we going to bomb Israel until they dismantle their nuclear program?

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No need to bomb them. They are our best ally.

---

Also, they don't gave an apocalyptic ideology of routinely threaten their neighbors. Israel's nuclear program is strictly defensive as demonstrated by how many times they have used nukes in warfare. Antisemites have trouble making rational distinctions because they are consumed by their bigotry which is totally irrational.

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and the reality that they actually have a rational existential need for nuclear weapons - a tiny, resource-poor country surrounded by hostile neighbors who have repeatedly attacked them. Iran, by comparison, has almost zero existential need for nuclear weapons. it is an enormous, resource rich country of nearly 100m people who has little reason to fear annihilation from any of its neighbors.

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Whiterock: "Iran has little reason to fear annihilation."

Trump: "A whole civilization will die tonight, never to be brought back again."

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Dump statement by Trump

But even dumper to believe that he or anyone in the West really means that or intends to carry out such a thing.

We did not destroy Japanese civilization or German or Italian Civilization in WWII

And those of course were far more destructive existential conflicts with justification for wars of obliteration.

The USA has never waged war on any nation state with the intention of never rehabilitating it and one day making it an ally.

We literally don't even know how to wage wars like that were we don't at least plan on one day being friends with them in some form.

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Nothing we can do will cause Iran to submit.

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Uh...you can always force a State to submit

"If you kill enough of them, they stop fighting" -Gen. Curtis LeMay

That is a simple and historic fact.

Now....might not be worth our time or money to do so....but it can be done.

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LeMay had a military, in coalition with others, that was capable of winning the war.

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You think the USA in 2026 can't win a military conflict with Iran?

I can assure you its a even more unbalanced struggle than the one between the USA and its enemies in 1941

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Without going nuclear, of course not. Even if Israel used its nukes, Iran would probably survive (Israel would not).

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You think that they read Trump's post this morning?
Yep, from someone who serves in the position which was once thought to be the leader of the free world and who got elected partially because he was touted as the "peace " president.

It's not that I am against the objective, it's the lack of leadership in the planning, preparation, implementation and inability to understand the pertinent history and culture of the enemy.

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I agree on objective...its understandable.

Planning and Prep? Hard for us to say....we just don't know what is done or has been done behind the scenes that is classified.

Implementation? Again, open for robust debate.

Culture of the enemy? Well we know Persia has a old and serious cultural history...and we also know the current regime ruling in Tehran has a belief system often at odds with real Persian culture and that is emersed in the toxic swamps of Islamist violence and messianic apocalyptic ideology.


[The belief in the Hidden Imam (Muhammad al-Mahdi) is central to Twelver Shiite Islam in Iran. Shiites believe he is the 12th Imam who disappeared in 874 CE but is kept alive by God to reappear at the end of history...]

[Khomeini revolutionized Shiite thought by creating velayat-e faqih, claiming the Supreme Leader acts as the earthly representative of the Hidden Imam. This makes opposing the regime tantamount to opposing the Imam himself.

The regime embeds this narrative into schools, media, and mosques, framing the world as a battle between good and evil, with Iran at the center of a "holy mission".

The apocalyptic, messianic doctrine is used to fuel hardline foreign policies, such as intense hostility toward Western powers ("global arrogance") and Israel, aligning it with a religious imperative.]

Mitch Blood Green said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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whiterock said:

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historian said:

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whiterock said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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Many Americans do not want the enemy Israeli regime having nuclear weapons either that they have used to blackmail our country since the Yom Kippur war.

When are we going to bomb Israel until they dismantle their nuclear program?

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No need to bomb them. They are our best ally.

---

Also, they don't gave an apocalyptic ideology of routinely threaten their neighbors. Israel's nuclear program is strictly defensive as demonstrated by how many times they have used nukes in warfare. Antisemites have trouble making rational distinctions because they are consumed by their bigotry which is totally irrational.

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and the reality that they actually have a rational existential need for nuclear weapons - a tiny, resource-poor country surrounded by hostile neighbors who have repeatedly attacked them. Iran, by comparison, has almost zero existential need for nuclear weapons. it is an enormous, resource rich country of nearly 100m people who has little reason to fear annihilation from any of its neighbors.

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Another issue is that under international law Iran has NO right to acquire nuclear weapons regardless of if it feels they are "needed" or not.

[Under the 1968 Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT), only five nations -the USA, Russia, UK, France, and China -are recognized as nuclear weapon states, having tested devices before 1967. All other signatories pledge not to acquire them]

[Iran signed the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT) in July 1968 and ratified it in February 1970. As a non-nuclear-weapon state party, Iran is legally committed to not acquiring nuclear weapons and to permitting IAEA inspections under its 1974 safeguards agreement. Iran remains a party, though it has recently debated exiting]

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You know who hasn't signed? Also, US intelligence doesn't agree that Iran has been actively pursuing a bomb. I trust our people.

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India, Israel, Pakistan, and South Africa.

And South Africa eventually gave up their weapons.

Now that is a different discussion of if Israel and others should have them.

But that is not actually relevant to the idea that Iran should not.

I am not happy that Pakistan has them...but just because the loons in Islamabad have nukes does not mean the nuts in Tehran should.

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I don't see that as a valid question. I'm not convinced anyone should have them. (But countries do and we use diplomacy to maintain positive relations)

I am sure that we are the aggressors in this attack when our intelligence says they do not have them and didn't pose a threat.

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I don't think you will find any assessment from our intelligence services that Iran "does not pose a threat"

I also think questions about their nuclear program are of course mixed. Some think no final discission has been made to build the weapons and some think it has been made.

None disagree that Iran is now a "threshold State" with the capacity to do so.

[U.S. intelligence has described Iran as a "nuclear threshold state," meaning they possess the materials (60% enriched uranium) and expertise to build a bomb relatively quickly if they choose to]

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They for sure pose a threat now. Their military isn't the issue for us. But economically? We have some serious headwinds from this war.

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I agree that is the strongest argument against the war

We can win...but that the war in the region will disrupt the economy and be more pain than benefit long term.

I can't say I know the answer or that anyone knows

Sam Lowry said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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whiterock said:

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historian said:

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whiterock said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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Many Americans do not want the enemy Israeli regime having nuclear weapons either that they have used to blackmail our country since the Yom Kippur war.

When are we going to bomb Israel until they dismantle their nuclear program?

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No need to bomb them. They are our best ally.

---

Also, they don't gave an apocalyptic ideology of routinely threaten their neighbors. Israel's nuclear program is strictly defensive as demonstrated by how many times they have used nukes in warfare. Antisemites have trouble making rational distinctions because they are consumed by their bigotry which is totally irrational.

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and the reality that they actually have a rational existential need for nuclear weapons - a tiny, resource-poor country surrounded by hostile neighbors who have repeatedly attacked them. Iran, by comparison, has almost zero existential need for nuclear weapons. it is an enormous, resource rich country of nearly 100m people who has little reason to fear annihilation from any of its neighbors.

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Whiterock: "Iran has little reason to fear annihilation."

Trump: "A whole civilization will die tonight, never to be brought back again."

---

Dump statement by Trump

But even dumper to believe that he or anyone in the West really means that or intends to carry out such a thing.

We did not destroy Japanese civilization or German or Italian Civilization in WWII

And those of course were far more destructive existential conflicts with justification for wars of obliteration.

The USA has never waged war on any nation state with the intention of never rehabilitating it and one day making it an ally.

We literally don't even know how to wage wars like that were we don't at least plan on one day being friends with them in some form.

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Nothing we can do will cause Iran to submit.

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Uh...you can always force a State to submit

"If you kill enough of them, they stop fighting" -Gen. Curtis LeMay

That is a simple and historic fact.

Now....might not be worth our time or money to do so....but it can be done.

---

LeMay had a military, in coalition with others, that was capable of winning the war.

---

You think the USA in 2026 can't win a military conflict with Iran?

I can assure you its a even more unbalanced struggle than the one between the USA and its enemies in 1941

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Without going nuclear, of course not. Even if Israel used its nukes, Iran would probably survive (but Israel would not).

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Besides nukes, the only way to win is with boots on the ground and the US military committing every war crime under the sun... crimes so horrific they would make every genocide over the 20th century look like child's play. The American public wouldn't countenance that for very long even with Boomers and Israelis controlling every institutional power source.

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Many Americans do not want the enemy Israeli regime having nuclear weapons either that they have used to blackmail our country since the Yom Kippur war.

When are we going to bomb Israel until they dismantle their nuclear program?

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No need to bomb them. They are our best ally.

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Also, they don't gave an apocalyptic ideology of routinely threaten their neighbors. Israel's nuclear program is strictly defensive as demonstrated by how many times they have used nukes in warfare. Antisemites have trouble making rational distinctions because they are consumed by their bigotry which is totally irrational.

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and the reality that they actually have a rational existential need for nuclear weapons - a tiny, resource-poor country surrounded by hostile neighbors who have repeatedly attacked them. Iran, by comparison, has almost zero existential need for nuclear weapons. it is an enormous, resource rich country of nearly 100m people who has little reason to fear annihilation from any of its neighbors.

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Whiterock: "Iran has little reason to fear annihilation."

Trump: "A whole civilization will die tonight, never to be brought back again."

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Dump statement by Trump

But even dumper to believe that he or anyone in the West really means that or intends to carry out such a thing.

We did not destroy Japanese civilization or German or Italian Civilization in WWII

And those of course were far more destructive existential conflicts with justification for wars of obliteration.

The USA has never waged war on any nation state with the intention of never rehabilitating it and one day making it an ally.

We literally don't even know how to wage wars like that were we don't at least plan on one day being friends with them in some form.

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Nothing we can do will cause Iran to submit.

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Uh...you can always force a State to submit

"If you kill enough of them, they stop fighting" -Gen. Curtis LeMay

That is a simple and historic fact.

Now....might not be worth our time or money to do so....but it can be done.

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LeMay had a military, in coalition with others, that was capable of winning the war.

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You think the USA in 2026 can't win a military conflict with Iran?

I can assure you its a even more unbalanced struggle than the one between the USA and its enemies in 1941

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Do you consider Vietnam a victory?

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No, but it could have been.

We had a communist regime attacking a peaceful non-communist neighbor.

We did the right thing and supported the international consensus to defend South Vietnam from aggression.

But we never invaded the criminal regime in the North and took out the threat.

And we could have done that easily....we did not because the nuclear armed communist China and communist USSR supported N. Vietnam and it might have touched off WWIII

We "lost" even though we never lost a serious battle...because the communist insurgents illegally invading S. Vietnam could always retreat to N. Vietnam and get resupplied and rested.

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You think that they read Trump's post this morning?
Yep, from someone who serves in the position which was once thought to be the leader of the free world and who got elected partially because he was touted as the "peace " president.

It's not that I am against the objective, it's the lack of leadership in the planning, preparation, implementation and inability to understand the pertinent history and culture of the enemy.

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I read them. I'm having a hard time seeing Iran as the threat and Trump as the diplomat. If I were Iran, I would wait until there is someone sane I could negotiate with.

Best I can tell, he's stressing over the reality that the Strait of Hormuz will be closed come the 4th of July, and gas prices will be over $5 a gallon.

Seriously, thanks for taking the time to respond and in a manner/tone which allowed me to read and learn from it without feeling like I was an idiot .

Some brave folks there

WATCH: Iranians form a human chain around the Kazeroun power plant ahead of Trump’s 8 pm deadline to strike Iran’s power plants and bridges. pic.twitter.com/sRmlfZ5YkB

— Republicans against Trump (@RpsAgainstTrump) April 7, 2026

Bret Baier: "I just got off the phone with the president. He called. He said '8pm is happening. If we get to that point, there is going to be an attack like they have not seen.' He's sticking to that at this point." pic.twitter.com/e2nDIeSljq

— Aaron Rupar (@atrupar) April 7, 2026

He can unilaterally decide to wipe out an entire nation, but if a female judge in Vermont tells him he can't deport anyone he's powerless to do anything about it.

Clown world shit. https://t.co/3zvtVFt6uG

— Dissident West (@dissidentwest) April 7, 2026

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The sloganeering went from “Free Iran,” to, “Bomb all civilian infrastructure and leave 90 million people without clean water or medical care.”

— Cernovich (@Cernovich) April 2, 2026

Trump, in a new post, confirms that the U.S. bombed Iran’s B-1 bridge in Karaj today, and threatens additional strikes on Iranian infrastructure. pic.twitter.com/BLzl4U5WpQ

— OSINTtechnical (@Osinttechnical) April 2, 2026

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Trump is so dumb. We are ensuring the next generation of terrorists truly hates America.

I cannot believe the cheerleaders here for mass murder and destruction.

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How idiotic!
Has there ever been a generation of terrorists that did not hate America???
If you are not cheering on the US then you are a cheerleader for the Iranian regime, terrorists who have been bass murdering people for 47 years. In January of this year they slaughtered up to 45k of their own people for peacefully protesting against their tyranny.

People on the Left who try to take the moral high ground always end up looking like fools.

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To answer the question, yes there have been many generation of Iranians that didn't hate America, and were not terrorists. With each new generation of Middle Easterners, we renew their hatred of America since the 70s. It doesn't have to be that way.

I think we are plenty willing to sacrifice Americans simply because it keeps the war machine going. Simple as that.

What is idiotic is your post which assumes there will always be terrorists in the Middle East that want to kill Americans.

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Correct! We need to get back to ( insert peaceful time in ME here).

Porteroso, when was that time?

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False question. It's one thing for the Middle Easterners to want to war with their neighbors. It's another for us to keep killing so many of them, or overthrowing their governments, that they want to go half a world away to blow themselves up amongst Americans.

I'm ok with crippling their missile program, or removing their nuclear material from the equation. What is bad, is that this was so poorly thought through that we had to beg allies to join our war, and now that they haven't, we have decided that leaving, having accomplished very little in the grand scheme of things, while they control the Strait of Hormuz and might start taxing it, or stay a bit longer and bomb civilian infrastructure, are our 2 options.

It's such an insane ****show, and we might have to just reload and do it again in 10 years, which should be entirely unacceptable. They are like 1 good physicist away from creating nuclear weapons, and we apparently went to war with them, not to remove that threat, but simply to close and reopen the Strait of Hormuz.

All these posts about "dealing with the threat that is Iran...." we haven't gotten close, and it looks like we won't for some time. People reveling in mass destruction and death just irk me, whether they are terrorists or whiterock.

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When did ME countries not attack outside of the ME? Maybe before the Egyptian civilization?

The Middle East is where the most lucrative trade routes have been for thousands of years.

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They rarely attacked outside the Middle East, Africa, Southern Europe, throughout history. A few major excursions, sure.

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LOL. Sure when you expand from the Middle east to INCLUDE the regions they expand out to and attack then of course it is limited to few areas they attack outside of. But that was not the original claim. The original claim is that when they stop killing each other they expand outside of the Middle East.

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Read again. I made a claim, which received a fake response that twisted the conversation. Just read and try to comprehend.

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Sorry but the post BEFORE yours said they attack outside the Middle East. Then you added all the other areas to make it seem like they don't leave that extended range.

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You're almost there. Read the post before that too. Let me know if I need to explain what

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What is idiotic is your post which assumes there will always be terrorists in the Middle East that want to kill Americans.

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Sigh.

You can claim that all day but the fact shows there have always been terrorist in the ME wanting to leave the ME to kill non Muslims. Always will be.

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The sloganeering went from “Free Iran,” to, “Bomb all civilian infrastructure and leave 90 million people without clean water or medical care.”

— Cernovich (@Cernovich) April 2, 2026

Trump, in a new post, confirms that the U.S. bombed Iran’s B-1 bridge in Karaj today, and threatens additional strikes on Iranian infrastructure. pic.twitter.com/BLzl4U5WpQ

— OSINTtechnical (@Osinttechnical) April 2, 2026

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Trump is so dumb. We are ensuring the next generation of terrorists truly hates America.

I cannot believe the cheerleaders here for mass murder and destruction.

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How idiotic!
Has there ever been a generation of terrorists that did not hate America???
If you are not cheering on the US then you are a cheerleader for the Iranian regime, terrorists who have been bass murdering people for 47 years. In January of this year they slaughtered up to 45k of their own people for peacefully protesting against their tyranny.

People on the Left who try to take the moral high ground always end up looking like fools.

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To answer the question, yes there have been many generation of Iranians that didn't hate America, and were not terrorists. With each new generation of Middle Easterners, we renew their hatred of America since the 70s. It doesn't have to be that way.

I think we are plenty willing to sacrifice Americans simply because it keeps the war machine going. Simple as that.

What is idiotic is your post which assumes there will always be terrorists in the Middle East that want to kill Americans.

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If you knew anything about the history of Islam you would not demonstrate such ignorance. Ever since Muhammad, Muslims have hated "infidels" and wanted to kill them, meaning us. It's still true today, especially among the more fanatical. Are you aware that Iran has called the US "the Great Satan" since 1979? They hate us because we are not Muslims and as the most powerful country, the greatest obstacle to all their ambitions.

Blaming the US, Israel, or the west in general is merely blaming the victims.

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My god. Iranians did not particularly hate America until the 70s. We helped make it that way. It doesn't have to stay that way. Pick up a book.

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The Iranian people mostly loved/love us. The Iranian islamists hated us all the way back to our beginning. Unfortunately, the Islamists have run the country for the last 47 years, so......

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I am sure blowing up their schools, infrastructure and utilities will make them love us.

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looks like that's exactly the case. They know we are not trying to kill them, that we are going after the mullahs. And they want the mullahs gone.

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Yeah, I am sure it means a lot having no electricity or water. You guys never learn. You are running the same rationale that failed in Viet Nam, Afghanistan and everywhere else it has been tried. You can't hurt people worse than the occupying Government and have them on your side over "freedom". Something they never had nor know what to do with. See Iraq...

But their civilization won't exist after tonight, they really love us now...

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The sloganeering went from “Free Iran,” to, “Bomb all civilian infrastructure and leave 90 million people without clean water or medical care.”

— Cernovich (@Cernovich) April 2, 2026

Trump, in a new post, confirms that the U.S. bombed Iran’s B-1 bridge in Karaj today, and threatens additional strikes on Iranian infrastructure. pic.twitter.com/BLzl4U5WpQ

— OSINTtechnical (@Osinttechnical) April 2, 2026

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Trump is so dumb. We are ensuring the next generation of terrorists truly hates America.

I cannot believe the cheerleaders here for mass murder and destruction.

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How idiotic!
Has there ever been a generation of terrorists that did not hate America???
If you are not cheering on the US then you are a cheerleader for the Iranian regime, terrorists who have been bass murdering people for 47 years. In January of this year they slaughtered up to 45k of their own people for peacefully protesting against their tyranny.

People on the Left who try to take the moral high ground always end up looking like fools.

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To answer the question, yes there have been many generation of Iranians that didn't hate America, and were not terrorists. With each new generation of Middle Easterners, we renew their hatred of America since the 70s. It doesn't have to be that way.

I think we are plenty willing to sacrifice Americans simply because it keeps the war machine going. Simple as that.

What is idiotic is your post which assumes there will always be terrorists in the Middle East that want to kill Americans.

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If you knew anything about the history of Islam you would not demonstrate such ignorance. Ever since Muhammad, Muslims have hated "infidels" and wanted to kill them, meaning us. It's still true today, especially among the more fanatical. Are you aware that Iran has called the US "the Great Satan" since 1979? They hate us because we are not Muslims and as the most powerful country, the greatest obstacle to all their ambitions.

Blaming the US, Israel, or the west in general is merely blaming the victims.

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My god. Iranians did not particularly hate America until the 70s. We helped make it that way. It doesn't have to stay that way. Pick up a book.

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Until the 1979 Revolution, Iran was an ally of the US. But the radicals took over, overran our embassy, and held our people hostage for over a year. Today the Iranian people don't particularly hate the US. They hate their oppressive govt and have thanked Trump and the US for attacking it.

Pull your head out of whatever crevice it's in and get rid of the the arrogance. Most of us have read plenty of books, just not the same ones you do. Also, each of us is entitled to our opinions and are capable of drawing rational conclusions. You might find it easier if you don't let the MSM do your thinking for you.

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When Muslims gain full state power, the historical pattern undoubtedly repeats itself:

• Armenia (1894–1923) → approx. 1.5 million Christians were murdered

• Assyrian Genocide (1914–1923) → approx. 300,000 Christians were massacred

• Greek Genocide (1913–1922) → approx.…

— Imtiaz Mahmood (@ImtiazMadmood) April 7, 2026

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The sloganeering went from “Free Iran,” to, “Bomb all civilian infrastructure and leave 90 million people without clean water or medical care.”

— Cernovich (@Cernovich) April 2, 2026

Trump, in a new post, confirms that the U.S. bombed Iran’s B-1 bridge in Karaj today, and threatens additional strikes on Iranian infrastructure. pic.twitter.com/BLzl4U5WpQ

— OSINTtechnical (@Osinttechnical) April 2, 2026

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Trump is so dumb. We are ensuring the next generation of terrorists truly hates America.

I cannot believe the cheerleaders here for mass murder and destruction.

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How idiotic!
Has there ever been a generation of terrorists that did not hate America???
If you are not cheering on the US then you are a cheerleader for the Iranian regime, terrorists who have been bass murdering people for 47 years. In January of this year they slaughtered up to 45k of their own people for peacefully protesting against their tyranny.

People on the Left who try to take the moral high ground always end up looking like fools.

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To answer the question, yes there have been many generation of Iranians that didn't hate America, and were not terrorists. With each new generation of Middle Easterners, we renew their hatred of America since the 70s. It doesn't have to be that way.

I think we are plenty willing to sacrifice Americans simply because it keeps the war machine going. Simple as that.

What is idiotic is your post which assumes there will always be terrorists in the Middle East that want to kill Americans.

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If you knew anything about the history of Islam you would not demonstrate such ignorance. Ever since Muhammad, Muslims have hated "infidels" and wanted to kill them, meaning us. It's still true today, especially among the more fanatical. Are you aware that Iran has called the US "the Great Satan" since 1979? They hate us because we are not Muslims and as the most powerful country, the greatest obstacle to all their ambitions.

Blaming the US, Israel, or the west in general is merely blaming the victims.

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My god. Iranians did not particularly hate America until the 70s. We helped make it that way. It doesn't have to stay that way. Pick up a book.

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Until the 1979 Revolution, Iran was an ally of the US. But the radicals took over, overran our embassy, and held our people hostage for over a year. Today the Iranian people don't particularly hate the US. They hate their oppressive govt and have thanked Trump and the US for attacking it.

Pull your head out of whatever crevice it's in and get rid of the the arrogance. Most of us have read plenty of books, just not the same ones you do. Also, each of us is entitled to our opinions and are capable of drawing rational conclusions. You might find it easier if you don't let the MSM do your thinking for you.

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That's actually not the case. There are pockets of elites and students in Tehran and Shiraz, but Iran is highly religious. Qom is still the power source that drives the political and cultural tone in Iran, as it has for centuries. The shift to hardcore Khomeinism has fundamentally altered the Iranian population and their sentiments. The concept of "enlightened" Iranians just waiting to pounce on freedom and democracy is a woke foreign policy myth similar to the belief the Arab Spring would sprout flowers of democracy.

Most progressive/pro-West Iranians have been arrested, expelled, executed, or marginalized to an extreme over the nearly half century of hardcore control. With a population age averaging in the mid 30's, the vast majority of Iranians have known nothing different. The fracture point is economics and corruption, not "the mullahs" as many try to make us believe.

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You think that they read Trump's post this morning?
Yep, from someone who serves in the position which was once thought to be the leader of the free world and who got elected partially because he was touted as the "peace " president.

It's not that I am against the objective, it's the lack of leadership in the planning, preparation, implementation and inability to understand the pertinent history and culture of the enemy.

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I agree on objective...its understandable.

Planning and Prep? Hard for us to say....we just don't know what is done or has been done behind the scenes that is classified.

Implementation? Again, open for robust debate.

Culture of the enemy? Well we know Persia has a old and serious cultural history...and we also know the current regime ruling in Tehran has a belief system often at odds with real Persian culture and that is emersed in the toxic swamps of Islamist violence and messianic apocalyptic ideology.


[The belief in the Hidden Imam (Muhammad al-Mahdi) is central to Twelver Shiite Islam in Iran. Shiites believe he is the 12th Imam who disappeared in 874 CE but is kept alive by God to reappear at the end of history...]

[Khomeini revolutionized Shiite thought by creating velayat-e faqih, claiming the Supreme Leader acts as the earthly representative of the Hidden Imam. This makes opposing the regime tantamount to opposing the Imam himself.

The regime embeds this narrative into schools, media, and mosques, framing the world as a battle between good and evil, with Iran at the center of a "holy mission".

The apocalyptic, messianic doctrine is used to fuel hardline foreign policies, such as intense hostility toward Western powers ("global arrogance") and Israel, aligning it with a religious imperative.]

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Fascinated what people believe "Persian culture" is. For 500+ years they've been some form of Shia Islamist dynasty with a toned down semi-secular monarchy for a small part of it ( 50+ years of Pahlavis).

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The sloganeering went from “Free Iran,” to, “Bomb all civilian infrastructure and leave 90 million people without clean water or medical care.”

— Cernovich (@Cernovich) April 2, 2026

Trump, in a new post, confirms that the U.S. bombed Iran’s B-1 bridge in Karaj today, and threatens additional strikes on Iranian infrastructure. pic.twitter.com/BLzl4U5WpQ

— OSINTtechnical (@Osinttechnical) April 2, 2026

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Trump is so dumb. We are ensuring the next generation of terrorists truly hates America.

I cannot believe the cheerleaders here for mass murder and destruction.

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How idiotic!
Has there ever been a generation of terrorists that did not hate America???
If you are not cheering on the US then you are a cheerleader for the Iranian regime, terrorists who have been bass murdering people for 47 years. In January of this year they slaughtered up to 45k of their own people for peacefully protesting against their tyranny.

People on the Left who try to take the moral high ground always end up looking like fools.

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To answer the question, yes there have been many generation of Iranians that didn't hate America, and were not terrorists. With each new generation of Middle Easterners, we renew their hatred of America since the 70s. It doesn't have to be that way.

I think we are plenty willing to sacrifice Americans simply because it keeps the war machine going. Simple as that.

What is idiotic is your post which assumes there will always be terrorists in the Middle East that want to kill Americans.

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If you knew anything about the history of Islam you would not demonstrate such ignorance. Ever since Muhammad, Muslims have hated "infidels" and wanted to kill them, meaning us. It's still true today, especially among the more fanatical. Are you aware that Iran has called the US "the Great Satan" since 1979? They hate us because we are not Muslims and as the most powerful country, the greatest obstacle to all their ambitions.

Blaming the US, Israel, or the west in general is merely blaming the victims.

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My god. Iranians did not particularly hate America until the 70s. We helped make it that way. It doesn't have to stay that way. Pick up a book.

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Until the 1979 Revolution, Iran was an ally of the US. But the radicals took over, overran our embassy, and held our people hostage for over a year. Today the Iranian people don't particularly hate the US. They hate their oppressive govt and have thanked Trump and the US for attacking it.

Pull your head out of whatever crevice it's in and get rid of the the arrogance. Most of us have read plenty of books, just not the same ones you do. Also, each of us is entitled to our opinions and are capable of drawing rational conclusions. You might find it easier if you don't let the MSM do your thinking for you.

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That's actually not the case. There are pockets of elites and students in Tehran and Shiraz, but Iran is highly religious. Qom is still the power source that drives the political and cultural tone in Iran, as it has for centuries. The shift to hardcore Khomeinism has fundamentally altered the Iranian population and their sentiments. The concept of "enlightened" Iranians just waiting to pounce on freedom and democracy is a woke foreign policy myth similar to the belief the Arab Spring would sprout flowers of democracy.

Most progressive/pro-West Iranians have been arrested, expelled, executed, or marginalized to an extreme over the nearly half century of hardcore control. With a population age averaging in the mid 30's, the vast majority of Iranians have known nothing different. The fracture point is economics and corruption, not "the mullahs" as many try to make us believe.

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Thank you!

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The sloganeering went from “Free Iran,” to, “Bomb all civilian infrastructure and leave 90 million people without clean water or medical care.”

— Cernovich (@Cernovich) April 2, 2026

Trump, in a new post, confirms that the U.S. bombed Iran’s B-1 bridge in Karaj today, and threatens additional strikes on Iranian infrastructure. pic.twitter.com/BLzl4U5WpQ

— OSINTtechnical (@Osinttechnical) April 2, 2026

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Trump is so dumb. We are ensuring the next generation of terrorists truly hates America.

I cannot believe the cheerleaders here for mass murder and destruction.

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How idiotic!
Has there ever been a generation of terrorists that did not hate America???
If you are not cheering on the US then you are a cheerleader for the Iranian regime, terrorists who have been bass murdering people for 47 years. In January of this year they slaughtered up to 45k of their own people for peacefully protesting against their tyranny.

People on the Left who try to take the moral high ground always end up looking like fools.

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To answer the question, yes there have been many generation of Iranians that didn't hate America, and were not terrorists. With each new generation of Middle Easterners, we renew their hatred of America since the 70s. It doesn't have to be that way.

I think we are plenty willing to sacrifice Americans simply because it keeps the war machine going. Simple as that.

What is idiotic is your post which assumes there will always be terrorists in the Middle East that want to kill Americans.

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If you knew anything about the history of Islam you would not demonstrate such ignorance. Ever since Muhammad, Muslims have hated "infidels" and wanted to kill them, meaning us. It's still true today, especially among the more fanatical. Are you aware that Iran has called the US "the Great Satan" since 1979? They hate us because we are not Muslims and as the most powerful country, the greatest obstacle to all their ambitions.

Blaming the US, Israel, or the west in general is merely blaming the victims.

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Muslims consider pagans to be infidels, not Christians or Jews.

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He is, for once, correct. Islam claims the entire Judeo-Christian tradition as its own. Jesus is the most frequently mentioned person in the Koran. Moses is mentioned 136 times. Muhammad is merely the last in a long line of Jewish/Christian prophets. Muslims are instructed to consider Christians & Jews are "peoples of the book," to be treated better than the "polytheists," whose existence is is an outrage. Islam is irritably intolerant of "shirk."

The islamists typically justify their attacks on Christianity as a form of shirk (the "Trinity" being defined as polytheism). They typically justify their attacks on Jews by virtue of the existence of a Jewish state in islamic lands (denying sharia).

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pic.twitter.com/npHkWXrtSf
A senior Ayatollah in Iran has issued a clear Islamic ruling:

Anyone who says they are not a Muslim must be beheaded.

His exact words:
“We will kill you, and we will kill you good.”

This is straight from the highest religious authority of the Islamic…

— Yossi BenYakar (@YossiBenYakar) April 6, 2026

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This is why you have to vet primary sources. If you watch the video in the x post, it is immediately clear that YossiBenYakar has misrepresented what the Ayatollah said. Operating from the understanding that there is no western concept of religious freedom in societies ruled by sharia law, what the ayatollah is saying is a good bit more tolerant than the Sunni version.


Don't presume that

" Yossi Ben Yakar is a licensed electrical engineer currently working as a Dispatcher in the Transmission Management System at the Israel Electric Corporation (IEC)."

Has anything but a vested interest in lying to you.

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He's discussing apostasy. There are similar laws on the books in many Islamic nations, including ones you wouldn't consider "radical".

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The sloganeering went from “Free Iran,” to, “Bomb all civilian infrastructure and leave 90 million people without clean water or medical care.”

— Cernovich (@Cernovich) April 2, 2026

Trump, in a new post, confirms that the U.S. bombed Iran’s B-1 bridge in Karaj today, and threatens additional strikes on Iranian infrastructure. pic.twitter.com/BLzl4U5WpQ

— OSINTtechnical (@Osinttechnical) April 2, 2026

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Trump is so dumb. We are ensuring the next generation of terrorists truly hates America.

I cannot believe the cheerleaders here for mass murder and destruction.

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How idiotic!
Has there ever been a generation of terrorists that did not hate America???
If you are not cheering on the US then you are a cheerleader for the Iranian regime, terrorists who have been bass murdering people for 47 years. In January of this year they slaughtered up to 45k of their own people for peacefully protesting against their tyranny.

People on the Left who try to take the moral high ground always end up looking like fools.

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To answer the question, yes there have been many generation of Iranians that didn't hate America, and were not terrorists. With each new generation of Middle Easterners, we renew their hatred of America since the 70s. It doesn't have to be that way.

I think we are plenty willing to sacrifice Americans simply because it keeps the war machine going. Simple as that.

What is idiotic is your post which assumes there will always be terrorists in the Middle East that want to kill Americans.

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If you knew anything about the history of Islam you would not demonstrate such ignorance. Ever since Muhammad, Muslims have hated "infidels" and wanted to kill them, meaning us. It's still true today, especially among the more fanatical. Are you aware that Iran has called the US "the Great Satan" since 1979? They hate us because we are not Muslims and as the most powerful country, the greatest obstacle to all their ambitions.

Blaming the US, Israel, or the west in general is merely blaming the victims.

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Muslims consider pagans to be infidels, not Christians or Jews.

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that is blatantly false, and you know it

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He is, for once, correct. Islam claims the entire Judeo-Christian tradition as its own. Jesus is the most frequently mentioned person in the Koran. Moses is mentioned 136 times. Muhammad is merely the last in a long line of Jewish/Christian prophets. Muslims are instructed to consider Christians & Jews are "peoples of the book," to be treated better than the "polytheists," whose existence is is an outrage. Islam is irritably intolerant of "shirk."

The islamists typically justify their attacks on Christianity as a form of shirk (the "Trinity" being defined as polytheism). They typically justify their attacks on Jews by virtue of the existence of a Jewish state in islamic lands (denying sharia).

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the book may explicitly say one thing, and the people can explicitly interpret differently. That's true of all religious books, but they are plenty of Muslims that extend "infidel" to include any non-Muslim or anyone who doesn't believe Mohammed was the "chosen profit of god".

He's "tweeted" a 5 day extension.

P U S S Y

trey3216 said:

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whiterock said:

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trey3216 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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historian said:

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historian said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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The sloganeering went from “Free Iran,” to, “Bomb all civilian infrastructure and leave 90 million people without clean water or medical care.”

— Cernovich (@Cernovich) April 2, 2026

Trump, in a new post, confirms that the U.S. bombed Iran’s B-1 bridge in Karaj today, and threatens additional strikes on Iranian infrastructure. pic.twitter.com/BLzl4U5WpQ

— OSINTtechnical (@Osinttechnical) April 2, 2026

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Trump is so dumb. We are ensuring the next generation of terrorists truly hates America.

I cannot believe the cheerleaders here for mass murder and destruction.

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How idiotic!
Has there ever been a generation of terrorists that did not hate America???
If you are not cheering on the US then you are a cheerleader for the Iranian regime, terrorists who have been bass murdering people for 47 years. In January of this year they slaughtered up to 45k of their own people for peacefully protesting against their tyranny.

People on the Left who try to take the moral high ground always end up looking like fools.

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To answer the question, yes there have been many generation of Iranians that didn't hate America, and were not terrorists. With each new generation of Middle Easterners, we renew their hatred of America since the 70s. It doesn't have to be that way.

I think we are plenty willing to sacrifice Americans simply because it keeps the war machine going. Simple as that.

What is idiotic is your post which assumes there will always be terrorists in the Middle East that want to kill Americans.

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If you knew anything about the history of Islam you would not demonstrate such ignorance. Ever since Muhammad, Muslims have hated "infidels" and wanted to kill them, meaning us. It's still true today, especially among the more fanatical. Are you aware that Iran has called the US "the Great Satan" since 1979? They hate us because we are not Muslims and as the most powerful country, the greatest obstacle to all their ambitions.

Blaming the US, Israel, or the west in general is merely blaming the victims.

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Muslims consider pagans to be infidels, not Christians or Jews.

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that is blatantly false, and you know it

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He is, for once, correct. Islam claims the entire Judeo-Christian tradition as its own. Jesus is the most frequently mentioned person in the Koran. Moses is mentioned 136 times. Muhammad is merely the last in a long line of Jewish/Christian prophets. Muslims are instructed to consider Christians & Jews are "peoples of the book," to be treated better than the "polytheists," whose existence is is an outrage. Islam is irritably intolerant of "shirk."

The islamists typically justify their attacks on Christianity as a form of shirk (the "Trinity" being defined as polytheism). They typically justify their attacks on Jews by virtue of the existence of a Jewish state in islamic lands (denying sharia).

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the book may explicitly say one thing, and the people can explicitly interpret differently. That's true of all religious books, but they are plenty of Muslims that extend "infidel" to include any non-Muslim or anyone who doesn't believe Mohammed was the "chosen profit of god".

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Yep,

100%

Redbrickbear said:

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whiterock said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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Many Americans do not want the enemy Israeli regime having nuclear weapons either that they have used to blackmail our country since the Yom Kippur war.

When are we going to bomb Israel until they dismantle their nuclear program?

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No need to bomb them. They are our best ally.

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Also, they don't gave an apocalyptic ideology of routinely threaten their neighbors. Israel's nuclear program is strictly defensive as demonstrated by how many times they have used nukes in warfare. Antisemites have trouble making rational distinctions because they are consumed by their bigotry which is totally irrational.

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and the reality that they actually have a rational existential need for nuclear weapons - a tiny, resource-poor country surrounded by hostile neighbors who have repeatedly attacked them. Iran, by comparison, has almost zero existential need for nuclear weapons. it is an enormous, resource rich country of nearly 100m people who has little reason to fear annihilation from any of its neighbors.

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Another issue is that under international law Iran has NO right to acquire nuclear weapons regardless of if it feels they are "needed" or not.

[Under the 1968 Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT), only five nations -the USA, Russia, UK, France, and China -are recognized as nuclear weapon states, having tested devices before 1967. All other signatories pledge not to acquire them]

[Iran signed the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT) in July 1968 and ratified it in February 1970. As a non-nuclear-weapon state party, Iran is legally committed to not acquiring nuclear weapons and to permitting IAEA inspections under its 1974 safeguards agreement. Iran remains a party, though it has recently debated exiting]

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You know who hasn't signed? Also, US intelligence doesn't agree that Iran has been actively pursuing a bomb. I trust our people.

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India, Israel, Pakistan, and South Africa.

And South Africa eventually gave up their weapons.

Now that is a different discussion of if Israel and others should have them.

But that is not actually relevant to the idea that Iran should not.

I am not happy that Pakistan has them...but just because the loons in Islamabad have nukes does not mean the nuts in Tehran should.

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South Africa didn't want the "blecks" to get them.

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Realitybites said:

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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whiterock said:

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trey3216 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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historian said:

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Porteroso said:

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historian said:

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Porteroso said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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The sloganeering went from “Free Iran,” to, “Bomb all civilian infrastructure and leave 90 million people without clean water or medical care.”

— Cernovich (@Cernovich) April 2, 2026

Trump, in a new post, confirms that the U.S. bombed Iran’s B-1 bridge in Karaj today, and threatens additional strikes on Iranian infrastructure. pic.twitter.com/BLzl4U5WpQ

— OSINTtechnical (@Osinttechnical) April 2, 2026

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Trump is so dumb. We are ensuring the next generation of terrorists truly hates America.

I cannot believe the cheerleaders here for mass murder and destruction.

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How idiotic!
Has there ever been a generation of terrorists that did not hate America???
If you are not cheering on the US then you are a cheerleader for the Iranian regime, terrorists who have been bass murdering people for 47 years. In January of this year they slaughtered up to 45k of their own people for peacefully protesting against their tyranny.

People on the Left who try to take the moral high ground always end up looking like fools.

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To answer the question, yes there have been many generation of Iranians that didn't hate America, and were not terrorists. With each new generation of Middle Easterners, we renew their hatred of America since the 70s. It doesn't have to be that way.

I think we are plenty willing to sacrifice Americans simply because it keeps the war machine going. Simple as that.

What is idiotic is your post which assumes there will always be terrorists in the Middle East that want to kill Americans.

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If you knew anything about the history of Islam you would not demonstrate such ignorance. Ever since Muhammad, Muslims have hated "infidels" and wanted to kill them, meaning us. It's still true today, especially among the more fanatical. Are you aware that Iran has called the US "the Great Satan" since 1979? They hate us because we are not Muslims and as the most powerful country, the greatest obstacle to all their ambitions.

Blaming the US, Israel, or the west in general is merely blaming the victims.

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Muslims consider pagans to be infidels, not Christians or Jews.

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that is blatantly false, and you know it

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He is, for once, correct. Islam claims the entire Judeo-Christian tradition as its own. Jesus is the most frequently mentioned person in the Koran. Moses is mentioned 136 times. Muhammad is merely the last in a long line of Jewish/Christian prophets. Muslims are instructed to consider Christians & Jews are "peoples of the book," to be treated better than the "polytheists," whose existence is is an outrage. Islam is irritably intolerant of "shirk."

The islamists typically justify their attacks on Christianity as a form of shirk (the "Trinity" being defined as polytheism). They typically justify their attacks on Jews by virtue of the existence of a Jewish state in islamic lands (denying sharia).

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pic.twitter.com/npHkWXrtSf
A senior Ayatollah in Iran has issued a clear Islamic ruling:

Anyone who says they are not a Muslim must be beheaded.

His exact words:
“We will kill you, and we will kill you good.”

This is straight from the highest religious authority of the Islamic…

— Yossi BenYakar (@YossiBenYakar) April 6, 2026

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This is why you have to vet primary sources. If you watch the video in the x post, it is immediately clear that YossiBenYakar has misrepresented what the Ayatollah said. Operating from the understanding that there is no western concept of religious freedom in societies ruled by sharia law, what the ayatollah is saying is a good bit more tolerant than the Sunni version.


Don't presume that

" Yossi Ben Yakar is a licensed electrical engineer currently working as a Dispatcher in the Transmission Management System at the Israel Electric Corporation (IEC)."

Has anything but a vested interest in lying to you.

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He's discussing apostasy. There are similar laws on the books in many Islamic nations, including ones you wouldn't consider "radical".

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If you watch the video you realize he isn't. The general Sunni response to leaving Islam is execution for the act of apostasy.

This Ayatollah is saying "go home and do whatever you want at home. But if you engage in criticism of the state religion or encourage others to convert you will be executed." That's about as close to a declaration of religious tolerance you're going to get from Islam.

For a Jew to mischaracterize that isn't surprising.

Realitybites said:

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ATL Bear said:

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Realitybites said:

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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whiterock said:

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trey3216 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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historian said:

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Porteroso said:

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historian said:

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Porteroso said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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The sloganeering went from “Free Iran,” to, “Bomb all civilian infrastructure and leave 90 million people without clean water or medical care.”

— Cernovich (@Cernovich) April 2, 2026

Trump, in a new post, confirms that the U.S. bombed Iran’s B-1 bridge in Karaj today, and threatens additional strikes on Iranian infrastructure. pic.twitter.com/BLzl4U5WpQ

— OSINTtechnical (@Osinttechnical) April 2, 2026

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Trump is so dumb. We are ensuring the next generation of terrorists truly hates America.

I cannot believe the cheerleaders here for mass murder and destruction.

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How idiotic!
Has there ever been a generation of terrorists that did not hate America???
If you are not cheering on the US then you are a cheerleader for the Iranian regime, terrorists who have been bass murdering people for 47 years. In January of this year they slaughtered up to 45k of their own people for peacefully protesting against their tyranny.

People on the Left who try to take the moral high ground always end up looking like fools.

---

To answer the question, yes there have been many generation of Iranians that didn't hate America, and were not terrorists. With each new generation of Middle Easterners, we renew their hatred of America since the 70s. It doesn't have to be that way.

I think we are plenty willing to sacrifice Americans simply because it keeps the war machine going. Simple as that.

What is idiotic is your post which assumes there will always be terrorists in the Middle East that want to kill Americans.

---

If you knew anything about the history of Islam you would not demonstrate such ignorance. Ever since Muhammad, Muslims have hated "infidels" and wanted to kill them, meaning us. It's still true today, especially among the more fanatical. Are you aware that Iran has called the US "the Great Satan" since 1979? They hate us because we are not Muslims and as the most powerful country, the greatest obstacle to all their ambitions.

Blaming the US, Israel, or the west in general is merely blaming the victims.

---

Muslims consider pagans to be infidels, not Christians or Jews.

---

that is blatantly false, and you know it

---

He is, for once, correct. Islam claims the entire Judeo-Christian tradition as its own. Jesus is the most frequently mentioned person in the Koran. Moses is mentioned 136 times. Muhammad is merely the last in a long line of Jewish/Christian prophets. Muslims are instructed to consider Christians & Jews are "peoples of the book," to be treated better than the "polytheists," whose existence is is an outrage. Islam is irritably intolerant of "shirk."

The islamists typically justify their attacks on Christianity as a form of shirk (the "Trinity" being defined as polytheism). They typically justify their attacks on Jews by virtue of the existence of a Jewish state in islamic lands (denying sharia).

---

pic.twitter.com/npHkWXrtSf
A senior Ayatollah in Iran has issued a clear Islamic ruling:

Anyone who says they are not a Muslim must be beheaded.

His exact words:
“We will kill you, and we will kill you good.”

This is straight from the highest religious authority of the Islamic…

— Yossi BenYakar (@YossiBenYakar) April 6, 2026

---

This is why you have to vet primary sources. If you watch the video in the x post, it is immediately clear that YossiBenYakar has misrepresented what the Ayatollah said. Operating from the understanding that there is no western concept of religious freedom in societies ruled by sharia law, what the ayatollah is saying is a good bit more tolerant than the Sunni version.


Don't presume that

" Yossi Ben Yakar is a licensed electrical engineer currently working as a Dispatcher in the Transmission Management System at the Israel Electric Corporation (IEC)."

Has anything but a vested interest in lying to you.

---

He's discussing apostasy. There are similar laws on the books in many Islamic nations, including ones you wouldn't consider "radical".

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If you watch the video you realize he isn't. The general Sunni response to leaving Islam is execution for the act of apostasy.

This Ayatollah is saying "go home and do whatever you want at home. But if you engage in criticism of the state religion or encourage others to convert you will be executed." That's about as close to a declaration of religious tolerance you're going to get from Islam.

For a Jew to mischaracterize that isn't surprising.

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If that is the case, then Islam is a problem.

Redbrickbear said:

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trey3216 said:

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whiterock said:

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trey3216 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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historian said:

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Porteroso said:

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historian said:

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Porteroso said:

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Doc Holliday said:

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The sloganeering went from “Free Iran,” to, “Bomb all civilian infrastructure and leave 90 million people without clean water or medical care.”

— Cernovich (@Cernovich) April 2, 2026

Trump, in a new post, confirms that the U.S. bombed Iran’s B-1 bridge in Karaj today, and threatens additional strikes on Iranian infrastructure. pic.twitter.com/BLzl4U5WpQ

— OSINTtechnical (@Osinttechnical) April 2, 2026

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Trump is so dumb. We are ensuring the next generation of terrorists truly hates America.

I cannot believe the cheerleaders here for mass murder and destruction.

---

How idiotic!
Has there ever been a generation of terrorists that did not hate America???
If you are not cheering on the US then you are a cheerleader for the Iranian regime, terrorists who have been bass murdering people for 47 years. In January of this year they slaughtered up to 45k of their own people for peacefully protesting against their tyranny.

People on the Left who try to take the moral high ground always end up looking like fools.

---

To answer the question, yes there have been many generation of Iranians that didn't hate America, and were not terrorists. With each new generation of Middle Easterners, we renew their hatred of America since the 70s. It doesn't have to be that way.

I think we are plenty willing to sacrifice Americans simply because it keeps the war machine going. Simple as that.

What is idiotic is your post which assumes there will always be terrorists in the Middle East that want to kill Americans.

---

If you knew anything about the history of Islam you would not demonstrate such ignorance. Ever since Muhammad, Muslims have hated "infidels" and wanted to kill them, meaning us. It's still true today, especially among the more fanatical. Are you aware that Iran has called the US "the Great Satan" since 1979? They hate us because we are not Muslims and as the most powerful country, the greatest obstacle to all their ambitions.

Blaming the US, Israel, or the west in general is merely blaming the victims.

---

Muslims consider pagans to be infidels, not Christians or Jews.

---

that is blatantly false, and you know it

---

He is, for once, correct. Islam claims the entire Judeo-Christian tradition as its own. Jesus is the most frequently mentioned person in the Koran. Moses is mentioned 136 times. Muhammad is merely the last in a long line of Jewish/Christian prophets. Muslims are instructed to consider Christians & Jews are "peoples of the book," to be treated better than the "polytheists," whose existence is is an outrage. Islam is irritably intolerant of "shirk."

The islamists typically justify their attacks on Christianity as a form of shirk (the "Trinity" being defined as polytheism). They typically justify their attacks on Jews by virtue of the existence of a Jewish state in islamic lands (denying sharia).

---

the book may explicitly say one thing, and the people can explicitly interpret differently. That's true of all religious books, but they are plenty of Muslims that extend "infidel" to include any non-Muslim or anyone who doesn't believe Mohammed was the "chosen profit of god".

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Yep,

100%

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Time out. What does the Quaran say? It does not say kill all infidels. Infidel is someone that doesn't believe in a particular Religion, Christians used the term as well. Check out 2 Corinthians in older versions or 1 Timothy in the Bible. The bathrooms in Saudi were marked Infidels for non-Moslems.

Did Jim Jones speak for Penticostals and David Koresch 7th Day Adventist?

There are extremist in every Religion.