President Trump announces military strikes on Iran: Operation Epic Fury

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boognish_bear said:



The U.S. should never take any advice from Bernie! He's worse than Biden since he doesn't have dementia as an excuse. He's just wrong on everything because he's a crazy commie.
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historian said:

boognish_bear said:



The U.S. should never take any advice from Bernie! He's worse than Biden since he doesn't have dementia as an excuse. He's just wrong on everything because he's a crazy commie.


If our neighbor to the north was unable or unwilling to put a stop to a terrorist organization raining down missiles on Vermont, he might be singing a different tune.
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LIB,MR BEARS said:

whiterock said:

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Sam Lowry said:

historian said:

Porteroso said:

historian said:

Porteroso said:

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Trump is so dumb. We are ensuring the next generation of terrorists truly hates America.

I cannot believe the cheerleaders here for mass murder and destruction.

How idiotic!
Has there ever been a generation of terrorists that did not hate America???
If you are not cheering on the US then you are a cheerleader for the Iranian regime, terrorists who have been bass murdering people for 47 years. In January of this year they slaughtered up to 45k of their own people for peacefully protesting against their tyranny.

People on the Left who try to take the moral high ground always end up looking like fools.

To answer the question, yes there have been many generation of Iranians that didn't hate America, and were not terrorists. With each new generation of Middle Easterners, we renew their hatred of America since the 70s. It doesn't have to be that way.

I think we are plenty willing to sacrifice Americans simply because it keeps the war machine going. Simple as that.

What is idiotic is your post which assumes there will always be terrorists in the Middle East that want to kill Americans.

If you knew anything about the history of Islam you would not demonstrate such ignorance. Ever since Muhammad, Muslims have hated "infidels" and wanted to kill them, meaning us. It's still true today, especially among the more fanatical. Are you aware that Iran has called the US "the Great Satan" since 1979? They hate us because we are not Muslims and as the most powerful country, the greatest obstacle to all their ambitions.

Blaming the US, Israel, or the west in general is merely blaming the victims.

Muslims consider pagans to be infidels, not Christians or Jews.

that is blatantly false, and you know it

He is, for once, correct. Islam claims the entire Judeo-Christian tradition as its own. Jesus is the most frequently mentioned person in the Koran. Moses is mentioned 136 times. Muhammad is merely the last in a long line of Jewish/Christian prophets. Muslims are instructed to consider Christians & Jews are "peoples of the book," to be treated better than the "polytheists," whose existence is is an outrage. Islam is irritably intolerant of "shirk."

The islamists typically justify their attacks on Christianity as a form of shirk (the "Trinity" being defined as polytheism). They typically justify their attacks on Jews by virtue of the existence of a Jewish state in islamic lands (denying sharia).





Islamophobia does not exist. A "phobia" is an irrational fear and anyone who fears Islam is very rational. Muslims have been demonstrating that rationality for 50+ years. 9-11 was a particularly dramatic one.
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LIB,MR BEARS said:




I wonder if this guy has been moved up on the target list? He's certainly asking to be placed near the top.
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"International Energy Agency (IEA) Executive Director Fatih Birol was interviewed by the French newspaper Le Figaro earlier on Tuesday and warned that the Gulf energy shock "is more severe than those of 1973, 1979, and 2022 combined" because it is affecting oil, gas, food, fertilizers, petrochemicals, helium, and global trade all at once.

Birol said in the interview that more than 75 energy sites across the Gulf region have been attacked, with about a third severely damaged, suggesting tens of billions of dollars in repairs and a prolonged disruption of some energy flows."
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It's working well for Iran in 2026
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True. But with commies you never really know.
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LIB,MR BEARS said:

whiterock said:

trey3216 said:

Sam Lowry said:

historian said:

Porteroso said:

historian said:

Porteroso said:

Doc Holliday said:




Trump is so dumb. We are ensuring the next generation of terrorists truly hates America.

I cannot believe the cheerleaders here for mass murder and destruction.

How idiotic!
Has there ever been a generation of terrorists that did not hate America???
If you are not cheering on the US then you are a cheerleader for the Iranian regime, terrorists who have been bass murdering people for 47 years. In January of this year they slaughtered up to 45k of their own people for peacefully protesting against their tyranny.

People on the Left who try to take the moral high ground always end up looking like fools.

To answer the question, yes there have been many generation of Iranians that didn't hate America, and were not terrorists. With each new generation of Middle Easterners, we renew their hatred of America since the 70s. It doesn't have to be that way.

I think we are plenty willing to sacrifice Americans simply because it keeps the war machine going. Simple as that.

What is idiotic is your post which assumes there will always be terrorists in the Middle East that want to kill Americans.

If you knew anything about the history of Islam you would not demonstrate such ignorance. Ever since Muhammad, Muslims have hated "infidels" and wanted to kill them, meaning us. It's still true today, especially among the more fanatical. Are you aware that Iran has called the US "the Great Satan" since 1979? They hate us because we are not Muslims and as the most powerful country, the greatest obstacle to all their ambitions.

Blaming the US, Israel, or the west in general is merely blaming the victims.

Muslims consider pagans to be infidels, not Christians or Jews.

that is blatantly false, and you know it

He is, for once, correct. Islam claims the entire Judeo-Christian tradition as its own. Jesus is the most frequently mentioned person in the Koran. Moses is mentioned 136 times. Muhammad is merely the last in a long line of Jewish/Christian prophets. Muslims are instructed to consider Christians & Jews are "peoples of the book," to be treated better than the "polytheists," whose existence is is an outrage. Islam is irritably intolerant of "shirk."

The islamists typically justify their attacks on Christianity as a form of shirk (the "Trinity" being defined as polytheism). They typically justify their attacks on Jews by virtue of the existence of a Jewish state in islamic lands (denying sharia).






This is why you have to vet primary sources. If you watch the video in the x post, it is immediately clear that YossiBenYakar has misrepresented what the Ayatollah said. Operating from the understanding that there is no western concept of religious freedom in societies ruled by sharia law, what the ayatollah is saying is a good bit more tolerant than the Sunni version.


Don't presume that

" Yossi Ben Yakar is a licensed electrical engineer currently working as a Dispatcher in the Transmission Management System at the Israel Electric Corporation (IEC)."

Has anything but a vested interest in lying to you.
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historian said:

It's working well for Iran in 2026


They didn't get there. It's not working well for Israel, either. I don't see the win.

If Iran is successful in getting the world to buy oil using euros and yuan, it will hurt us equally. They won't have bridges. We won't be able to build bridges.
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historian said:

Porteroso said:

historian said:

Porteroso said:

historian said:

Porteroso said:

Doc Holliday said:




Trump is so dumb. We are ensuring the next generation of terrorists truly hates America.

I cannot believe the cheerleaders here for mass murder and destruction.

How idiotic!
Has there ever been a generation of terrorists that did not hate America???
If you are not cheering on the US then you are a cheerleader for the Iranian regime, terrorists who have been bass murdering people for 47 years. In January of this year they slaughtered up to 45k of their own people for peacefully protesting against their tyranny.

People on the Left who try to take the moral high ground always end up looking like fools.

To answer the question, yes there have been many generation of Iranians that didn't hate America, and were not terrorists. With each new generation of Middle Easterners, we renew their hatred of America since the 70s. It doesn't have to be that way.

I think we are plenty willing to sacrifice Americans simply because it keeps the war machine going. Simple as that.

What is idiotic is your post which assumes there will always be terrorists in the Middle East that want to kill Americans.

If you knew anything about the history of Islam you would not demonstrate such ignorance. Ever since Muhammad, Muslims have hated "infidels" and wanted to kill them, meaning us. It's still true today, especially among the more fanatical. Are you aware that Iran has called the US "the Great Satan" since 1979? They hate us because we are not Muslims and as the most powerful country, the greatest obstacle to all their ambitions.

Blaming the US, Israel, or the west in general is merely blaming the victims.

My god. Iranians did not particularly hate America until the 70s. We helped make it that way. It doesn't have to stay that way. Pick up a book.

Until the 1979 Revolution, Iran was an ally of the US. But the radicals took over, overran our embassy, and held our people hostage for over a year. Today the Iranian people don't particularly hate the US. They hate their oppressive govt and have thanked Trump and the US for attacking it.

Pull your head out of whatever crevice it's in and get rid of the the arrogance. Most of us have read plenty of books, just not the same ones you do. Also, each of us is entitled to our opinions and are capable of drawing rational conclusions. You might find it easier if you don't let the MSM do your thinking for you.

At first, if we overthrow them and give them the Government. But, that is not what we are doing. We are just destroying, now their infrastructure, and leaving. That is not going over as well as you think. We are not liberating, we are just bombing.
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cowboycwr said:

boognish_bear said:

RP suggests something else was going on




6 aircraft were not shot down though….. they were destroyed by our own forces when they became stuck.

Landing there to go snatch something else and just happening to also have a downed pilot is a huge stretch.

Or even just creating a fake story of a downed pilot as a cover story is not realistic.

Sorry but this just screams tinfoil hat type stuff.

I like the passport of the Israeli technician that was conveniently found at the site of the destroyed C130J. Everyone knows when you tag along on a mission, you bring your passport.

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Mitch Blood Green said:

whiterock said:

FLBear5630 said:

whiterock said:

Porteroso said:

historian said:

Porteroso said:

historian said:

Porteroso said:

Doc Holliday said:




Trump is so dumb. We are ensuring the next generation of terrorists truly hates America.

I cannot believe the cheerleaders here for mass murder and destruction.

How idiotic!
Has there ever been a generation of terrorists that did not hate America???
If you are not cheering on the US then you are a cheerleader for the Iranian regime, terrorists who have been bass murdering people for 47 years. In January of this year they slaughtered up to 45k of their own people for peacefully protesting against their tyranny.

People on the Left who try to take the moral high ground always end up looking like fools.

To answer the question, yes there have been many generation of Iranians that didn't hate America, and were not terrorists. With each new generation of Middle Easterners, we renew their hatred of America since the 70s. It doesn't have to be that way.

I think we are plenty willing to sacrifice Americans simply because it keeps the war machine going. Simple as that.

What is idiotic is your post which assumes there will always be terrorists in the Middle East that want to kill Americans.

If you knew anything about the history of Islam you would not demonstrate such ignorance. Ever since Muhammad, Muslims have hated "infidels" and wanted to kill them, meaning us. It's still true today, especially among the more fanatical. Are you aware that Iran has called the US "the Great Satan" since 1979? They hate us because we are not Muslims and as the most powerful country, the greatest obstacle to all their ambitions.

Blaming the US, Israel, or the west in general is merely blaming the victims.

My god. Iranians did not particularly hate America until the 70s. We helped make it that way. It doesn't have to stay that way. Pick up a book.

The Iranian people mostly loved/love us. The Iranian islamists hated us all the way back to our beginning. Unfortunately, the Islamists have run the country for the last 47 years, so......




I am sure blowing up their schools, infrastructure and utilities will make them love us.

Don't care whether they love us or not. Want the damned enriched uranium and will burn down the whole country to get it (because they want the damned uranium to burn down our whole country).


That's what you think? It appears to me that lately, enriched uranium is survival. Ukraine gave up their Nukes. Libya? Iraq?

It's the only way to stop from being invaded.

you have it backwards. holding onto the enriched uranium is destroying the regime. They give it up, the pressure goes away. they survive. the longer they hold on to it, the more things they need get blown up....the more of their leadership gets blown up. That enriched uranium is the proximate cause of their current distress.

we don't need to care about Iran.
we only care about Iran because they chant "death to America" and try to build nuclear weapons.
we only care about Iran because they build long-range ballistic missiles to deliver those weapons far beyond their borders.
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FLBear5630 said:

whiterock said:

Porteroso said:

historian said:

Porteroso said:

historian said:

Porteroso said:

Doc Holliday said:




Trump is so dumb. We are ensuring the next generation of terrorists truly hates America.

I cannot believe the cheerleaders here for mass murder and destruction.

How idiotic!
Has there ever been a generation of terrorists that did not hate America???
If you are not cheering on the US then you are a cheerleader for the Iranian regime, terrorists who have been bass murdering people for 47 years. In January of this year they slaughtered up to 45k of their own people for peacefully protesting against their tyranny.

People on the Left who try to take the moral high ground always end up looking like fools.

To answer the question, yes there have been many generation of Iranians that didn't hate America, and were not terrorists. With each new generation of Middle Easterners, we renew their hatred of America since the 70s. It doesn't have to be that way.

I think we are plenty willing to sacrifice Americans simply because it keeps the war machine going. Simple as that.

What is idiotic is your post which assumes there will always be terrorists in the Middle East that want to kill Americans.

If you knew anything about the history of Islam you would not demonstrate such ignorance. Ever since Muhammad, Muslims have hated "infidels" and wanted to kill them, meaning us. It's still true today, especially among the more fanatical. Are you aware that Iran has called the US "the Great Satan" since 1979? They hate us because we are not Muslims and as the most powerful country, the greatest obstacle to all their ambitions.

Blaming the US, Israel, or the west in general is merely blaming the victims.

My god. Iranians did not particularly hate America until the 70s. We helped make it that way. It doesn't have to stay that way. Pick up a book.

The Iranian people mostly loved/love us. The Iranian islamists hated us all the way back to our beginning. Unfortunately, the Islamists have run the country for the last 47 years, so......




I am sure blowing up their schools, infrastructure and utilities will make them love us.

looks like that's exactly the case. They know we are not trying to kill them, that we are going after the mullahs. And they want the mullahs gone.
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whiterock said:

Mitch Blood Green said:

whiterock said:

FLBear5630 said:

whiterock said:

Porteroso said:

historian said:

Porteroso said:

historian said:

Porteroso said:

Doc Holliday said:




Trump is so dumb. We are ensuring the next generation of terrorists truly hates America.

I cannot believe the cheerleaders here for mass murder and destruction.

How idiotic!
Has there ever been a generation of terrorists that did not hate America???
If you are not cheering on the US then you are a cheerleader for the Iranian regime, terrorists who have been bass murdering people for 47 years. In January of this year they slaughtered up to 45k of their own people for peacefully protesting against their tyranny.

People on the Left who try to take the moral high ground always end up looking like fools.

To answer the question, yes there have been many generation of Iranians that didn't hate America, and were not terrorists. With each new generation of Middle Easterners, we renew their hatred of America since the 70s. It doesn't have to be that way.

I think we are plenty willing to sacrifice Americans simply because it keeps the war machine going. Simple as that.

What is idiotic is your post which assumes there will always be terrorists in the Middle East that want to kill Americans.

If you knew anything about the history of Islam you would not demonstrate such ignorance. Ever since Muhammad, Muslims have hated "infidels" and wanted to kill them, meaning us. It's still true today, especially among the more fanatical. Are you aware that Iran has called the US "the Great Satan" since 1979? They hate us because we are not Muslims and as the most powerful country, the greatest obstacle to all their ambitions.

Blaming the US, Israel, or the west in general is merely blaming the victims.

My god. Iranians did not particularly hate America until the 70s. We helped make it that way. It doesn't have to stay that way. Pick up a book.

The Iranian people mostly loved/love us. The Iranian islamists hated us all the way back to our beginning. Unfortunately, the Islamists have run the country for the last 47 years, so......




I am sure blowing up their schools, infrastructure and utilities will make them love us.

Don't care whether they love us or not. Want the damned enriched uranium and will burn down the whole country to get it (because they want the damned uranium to burn down our whole country).


That's what you think? It appears to me that lately, enriched uranium is survival. Ukraine gave up their Nukes. Libya? Iraq?

It's the only way to stop from being invaded.

you have it backwards. holding onto the enriched uranium is destroying the regime. They give it up, the pressure goes away. they survive. the longer they hold on to it, the more things they need get blown up....the more of their leadership gets blown up. That enriched uranium is the proximate cause of their current distress.

we don't need to care about Iran.
we only care about Iran because they chant "death to America" and try to build nuclear weapons.
we only care about Iran because they build long-range ballistic missiles to deliver those weapons far beyond their borders.

That's not true. They gave it up in 2015. All indications were that they were cooperating and working within the agreed-upon framework.

Except, we didn't get Bibi's approval. Bibi has been pushing for this war since 1996, and he will destroy his country, too. I hate that for Israel.

At some point, you can't attack the Lebanese, Attack the Palestinians, ignore crimes in the West Bank, work to destroy international agreements you don't like, then convince the world that THEY are the terrorist. I hope the people of Israel get regime change. There's a path to peace. It just got longer and more painful.
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FLBear5630 said:

whiterock said:

FLBear5630 said:

whiterock said:

Porteroso said:

historian said:

Porteroso said:

historian said:

Porteroso said:

Doc Holliday said:




Trump is so dumb. We are ensuring the next generation of terrorists truly hates America.

I cannot believe the cheerleaders here for mass murder and destruction.

How idiotic!
Has there ever been a generation of terrorists that did not hate America???
If you are not cheering on the US then you are a cheerleader for the Iranian regime, terrorists who have been bass murdering people for 47 years. In January of this year they slaughtered up to 45k of their own people for peacefully protesting against their tyranny.

People on the Left who try to take the moral high ground always end up looking like fools.

To answer the question, yes there have been many generation of Iranians that didn't hate America, and were not terrorists. With each new generation of Middle Easterners, we renew their hatred of America since the 70s. It doesn't have to be that way.

I think we are plenty willing to sacrifice Americans simply because it keeps the war machine going. Simple as that.

What is idiotic is your post which assumes there will always be terrorists in the Middle East that want to kill Americans.

If you knew anything about the history of Islam you would not demonstrate such ignorance. Ever since Muhammad, Muslims have hated "infidels" and wanted to kill them, meaning us. It's still true today, especially among the more fanatical. Are you aware that Iran has called the US "the Great Satan" since 1979? They hate us because we are not Muslims and as the most powerful country, the greatest obstacle to all their ambitions.

Blaming the US, Israel, or the west in general is merely blaming the victims.

My god. Iranians did not particularly hate America until the 70s. We helped make it that way. It doesn't have to stay that way. Pick up a book.

The Iranian people mostly loved/love us. The Iranian islamists hated us all the way back to our beginning. Unfortunately, the Islamists have run the country for the last 47 years, so......




I am sure blowing up their schools, infrastructure and utilities will make them love us.

Don't care whether they love us or not. Want the damned enriched uranium and will burn down the whole country to get it (because they want the damned uranium to burn down our whole country).


Burn down our Nation. Have you ever talked to any real Moslems from Iran or Saudi?
Yes. Probably hundreds more than you or anyone else here has.
They want to burn down Israel.
Muslims in general find a Jewish state in Israel offensive.
At this particular moment in time, Iranians are way more angry at the mullah regime. Cheering us on.
At this particular moment in time, Saudi is way more angry at the mullah regime. Defacto allied w/Israel.

They don't give a **** about us besides staying out of their business.
Which is one of the reasons they are so angry at the mullahs for picking fights with everyone.
People like you make us a target.
Perhaps the saddest trope of all. Wealth and liberty make us a target. Obama gave them billions of dollars, removed sanctions, gave them a deal that allowed them to continue a uranium enrichment program, and relentlessly pursued rapproachement with them. And still they attacked us......
We will get this 60% uranium and they will figure how to get 90% from N Korea, Russia, China, Pakistan they will keep trying and your strategy leaving them stronger in Hormuz will pay for it
If they could buy 60% uranium from any of those places, why has it take them so long and so much money to build a program to produce it from scratch?

You realize besides Trump winning against Harris you have not been right on anything. Everything Trump and you have said had been wrong.
Hilarious. You have been wrong on everything. From the 2024 election forward. You keep doubling and tripling down with wild-assed allegations. There is a reason for that:

You simply do not understand the man and his methods. He's pushing you into ever more irrational responses. He owns you.

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https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/posts/116363336033995961

The man is a completely unhinged lunatic.
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historian said:

whiterock said:

The_barBEARian said:

Many Americans do not want the enemy Israeli regime having nuclear weapons either that they have used to blackmail our country since the Yom Kippur war.

When are we going to bomb Israel until they dismantle their nuclear program?

No need to bomb them. They are our best ally.

Also, they don't gave an apocalyptic ideology of routinely threaten their neighbors. Israel's nuclear program is strictly defensive as demonstrated by how many times they have used nukes in warfare. Antisemites have trouble making rational distinctions because they are consumed by their bigotry which is totally irrational.

and the reality that they actually have a rational existential need for nuclear weapons - a tiny, resource-poor country surrounded by hostile neighbors who have repeatedly attacked them. Iran, by comparison, has almost zero existential need for nuclear weapons. it is an enormous, resource rich country of nearly 100m people who has little reason to fear annihilation from any of its neighbors.
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whiterock said:

Mitch Blood Green said:

whiterock said:

FLBear5630 said:

whiterock said:

Porteroso said:

historian said:

Porteroso said:

historian said:

Porteroso said:

Doc Holliday said:




Trump is so dumb. We are ensuring the next generation of terrorists truly hates America.

I cannot believe the cheerleaders here for mass murder and destruction.

How idiotic!
Has there ever been a generation of terrorists that did not hate America???
If you are not cheering on the US then you are a cheerleader for the Iranian regime, terrorists who have been bass murdering people for 47 years. In January of this year they slaughtered up to 45k of their own people for peacefully protesting against their tyranny.

People on the Left who try to take the moral high ground always end up looking like fools.

To answer the question, yes there have been many generation of Iranians that didn't hate America, and were not terrorists. With each new generation of Middle Easterners, we renew their hatred of America since the 70s. It doesn't have to be that way.

I think we are plenty willing to sacrifice Americans simply because it keeps the war machine going. Simple as that.

What is idiotic is your post which assumes there will always be terrorists in the Middle East that want to kill Americans.

If you knew anything about the history of Islam you would not demonstrate such ignorance. Ever since Muhammad, Muslims have hated "infidels" and wanted to kill them, meaning us. It's still true today, especially among the more fanatical. Are you aware that Iran has called the US "the Great Satan" since 1979? They hate us because we are not Muslims and as the most powerful country, the greatest obstacle to all their ambitions.

Blaming the US, Israel, or the west in general is merely blaming the victims.

My god. Iranians did not particularly hate America until the 70s. We helped make it that way. It doesn't have to stay that way. Pick up a book.

The Iranian people mostly loved/love us. The Iranian islamists hated us all the way back to our beginning. Unfortunately, the Islamists have run the country for the last 47 years, so......




I am sure blowing up their schools, infrastructure and utilities will make them love us.

Don't care whether they love us or not. Want the damned enriched uranium and will burn down the whole country to get it (because they want the damned uranium to burn down our whole country).


That's what you think? It appears to me that lately, enriched uranium is survival. Ukraine gave up their Nukes. Libya? Iraq?

It's the only way to stop from being invaded.

you have it backwards. holding onto the enriched uranium is destroying the regime. They give it up, the pressure goes away. they survive. the longer they hold on to it, the more things they need get blown up....the more of their leadership gets blown up. That enriched uranium is the proximate cause of their current distress.

we don't need to care about Iran.
we only care about Iran because they chant "death to America" and try to build nuclear weapons.
we only care about Iran because they build long-range ballistic missiles to deliver those weapons far beyond their borders.


Even if a bunch of Americans die to get all the uranium... they can get more from Pakistan tomorrow if they really want it.

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Thanks for telling us what Iran WANTS. Get back to me if we agree.

So many here just cannot help but cheer for the mullahs.
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whiterock said:

historian said:

whiterock said:

The_barBEARian said:

Many Americans do not want the enemy Israeli regime having nuclear weapons either that they have used to blackmail our country since the Yom Kippur war.

When are we going to bomb Israel until they dismantle their nuclear program?

No need to bomb them. They are our best ally.

Also, they don't gave an apocalyptic ideology of routinely threaten their neighbors. Israel's nuclear program is strictly defensive as demonstrated by how many times they have used nukes in warfare. Antisemites have trouble making rational distinctions because they are consumed by their bigotry which is totally irrational.

and the reality that they actually have a rational existential need for nuclear weapons - a tiny, resource-poor country surrounded by hostile neighbors who have repeatedly attacked them. Iran, by comparison, has almost zero existential need for nuclear weapons. it is an enormous, resource rich country of nearly 100m people who has little reason to fear annihilation from any of its neighbors.

Whiterock: "Iran has little reason to fear annihilation."

Trump: "A whole civilization will die tonight, never to be brought back again."
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whiterock said:

historian said:

whiterock said:

The_barBEARian said:

Many Americans do not want the enemy Israeli regime having nuclear weapons either that they have used to blackmail our country since the Yom Kippur war.

When are we going to bomb Israel until they dismantle their nuclear program?

No need to bomb them. They are our best ally.

Also, they don't gave an apocalyptic ideology of routinely threaten their neighbors. Israel's nuclear program is strictly defensive as demonstrated by how many times they have used nukes in warfare. Antisemites have trouble making rational distinctions because they are consumed by their bigotry which is totally irrational.

and the reality that they actually have a rational existential need for nuclear weapons - a tiny, resource-poor country surrounded by hostile neighbors who have repeatedly attacked them. Iran, by comparison, has almost zero existential need for nuclear weapons. it is an enormous, resource rich country of nearly 100m people who has little reason to fear annihilation from any of its neighbors.


I think you are going senile.

Iran has been aggressively attacked and faced an existential threat over the last 12 months. Something that never would have happened if they had nukes.

Khamenei tried to do the right thing and got killed for his efforts.

Israel is no different than the Jewish mob from the 1920s... violent, predatory, and greedy beyond compare.
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Oldbear83 said:

Thanks for telling us what Iran WANTS. Get back to me if we agree.

So many here just cannot help but cheer for the mullahs.


I dont cheer for the mullahs... I am against the Zionists and the Boomercons, who pose a much greater threat to me than the Iranians ever have.
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The_barBEARian said:

Oldbear83 said:

Thanks for telling us what Iran WANTS. Get back to me if we agree.

So many here just cannot help but cheer for the mullahs.


I dont cheer for the mullahs... I am against the Zionists and the Boomercons, who pose a much greater threat to me than the Iranians ever have.

When Iran Revolutionary Guard took the USA Embassy employees hostage around 50 years ago they created a very hostile relationship with the USA. I view the Trump threat to bomb all the bridges and power plants as an escalation of this hostility.

I am for a more cooperative relationship between the USA and Iran but it will not happen with the current leadership of Iran.
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whiterock said:

historian said:

whiterock said:

The_barBEARian said:

Many Americans do not want the enemy Israeli regime having nuclear weapons either that they have used to blackmail our country since the Yom Kippur war.

When are we going to bomb Israel until they dismantle their nuclear program?

No need to bomb them. They are our best ally.

Also, they don't gave an apocalyptic ideology of routinely threaten their neighbors. Israel's nuclear program is strictly defensive as demonstrated by how many times they have used nukes in warfare. Antisemites have trouble making rational distinctions because they are consumed by their bigotry which is totally irrational.

and the reality that they actually have a rational existential need for nuclear weapons - a tiny, resource-poor country surrounded by hostile neighbors who have repeatedly attacked them. Iran, by comparison, has almost zero existential need for nuclear weapons. it is an enormous, resource rich country of nearly 100m people who has little reason to fear annihilation from any of its neighbors.


Another issue is that under international law Iran has NO right to acquire nuclear weapons regardless of if it feels they are "needed" or not.

[Under the 1968 Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT), only five nations -the USA, Russia, UK, France, and China -are recognized as nuclear weapon states, having tested devices before 1967. All other signatories pledge not to acquire them]

[Iran signed the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT) in July 1968 and ratified it in February 1970. As a non-nuclear-weapon state party, Iran is legally committed to not acquiring nuclear weapons and to permitting IAEA inspections under its 1974 safeguards agreement. Iran remains a party, though it has recently debated exiting]
Sam Lowry
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Redbrickbear said:

whiterock said:

historian said:

whiterock said:

The_barBEARian said:

Many Americans do not want the enemy Israeli regime having nuclear weapons either that they have used to blackmail our country since the Yom Kippur war.

When are we going to bomb Israel until they dismantle their nuclear program?

No need to bomb them. They are our best ally.

Also, they don't gave an apocalyptic ideology of routinely threaten their neighbors. Israel's nuclear program is strictly defensive as demonstrated by how many times they have used nukes in warfare. Antisemites have trouble making rational distinctions because they are consumed by their bigotry which is totally irrational.

and the reality that they actually have a rational existential need for nuclear weapons - a tiny, resource-poor country surrounded by hostile neighbors who have repeatedly attacked them. Iran, by comparison, has almost zero existential need for nuclear weapons. it is an enormous, resource rich country of nearly 100m people who has little reason to fear annihilation from any of its neighbors.


Another issue is that under international law Iran has NO right to acquire nuclear weapons regardless of if it feels they are "needed" or not.

[Under the 1968 Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT), only five nations -the USA, Russia, UK, France, and China -are recognized as nuclear weapon states, having tested devices before 1967. All other signatories pledge not to acquire them]

[Iran signed the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT) in July 1968 and ratified it in February 1970. As a non-nuclear-weapon state party, Iran is legally committed to not acquiring nuclear weapons and to permitting IAEA inspections under its 1974 safeguards agreement. Iran remains a party, though it has recently debated exiting]

The NPT is a mutual agreement, not a law. Iran has the right to withdraw and acquire nuclear weapons any time it wants.
Redbrickbear
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Sam Lowry said:

whiterock said:

historian said:

whiterock said:

The_barBEARian said:

Many Americans do not want the enemy Israeli regime having nuclear weapons either that they have used to blackmail our country since the Yom Kippur war.

When are we going to bomb Israel until they dismantle their nuclear program?

No need to bomb them. They are our best ally.

Also, they don't gave an apocalyptic ideology of routinely threaten their neighbors. Israel's nuclear program is strictly defensive as demonstrated by how many times they have used nukes in warfare. Antisemites have trouble making rational distinctions because they are consumed by their bigotry which is totally irrational.

and the reality that they actually have a rational existential need for nuclear weapons - a tiny, resource-poor country surrounded by hostile neighbors who have repeatedly attacked them. Iran, by comparison, has almost zero existential need for nuclear weapons. it is an enormous, resource rich country of nearly 100m people who has little reason to fear annihilation from any of its neighbors.

Whiterock: "Iran has little reason to fear annihilation."

Trump: "A whole civilization will die tonight, never to be brought back again."


Dump statement by Trump

But even dumper to believe that he or anyone in the West really means that or intends to carry out such a thing.

We did not destroy Japanese civilization or German or Italian Civilization in WWII

And those of course were far more destructive existential conflicts with justification for wars of obliteration.

The USA has never waged war on any nation state with the intention of never rehabilitating it and one day making it an ally.

We literally don't even know how to wage wars like that were we don't at least plan on one day being friends with them in some form.
Redbrickbear
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Sam Lowry said:

Redbrickbear said:

whiterock said:

historian said:

whiterock said:

The_barBEARian said:

Many Americans do not want the enemy Israeli regime having nuclear weapons either that they have used to blackmail our country since the Yom Kippur war.

When are we going to bomb Israel until they dismantle their nuclear program?

No need to bomb them. They are our best ally.

Also, they don't gave an apocalyptic ideology of routinely threaten their neighbors. Israel's nuclear program is strictly defensive as demonstrated by how many times they have used nukes in warfare. Antisemites have trouble making rational distinctions because they are consumed by their bigotry which is totally irrational.

and the reality that they actually have a rational existential need for nuclear weapons - a tiny, resource-poor country surrounded by hostile neighbors who have repeatedly attacked them. Iran, by comparison, has almost zero existential need for nuclear weapons. it is an enormous, resource rich country of nearly 100m people who has little reason to fear annihilation from any of its neighbors.


Another issue is that under international law Iran has NO right to acquire nuclear weapons regardless of if it feels they are "needed" or not.

[Under the 1968 Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT), only five nations -the USA, Russia, UK, France, and China -are recognized as nuclear weapon states, having tested devices before 1967. All other signatories pledge not to acquire them]

[Iran signed the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT) in July 1968 and ratified it in February 1970. As a non-nuclear-weapon state party, Iran is legally committed to not acquiring nuclear weapons and to permitting IAEA inspections under its 1974 safeguards agreement. Iran remains a party, though it has recently debated exiting]

The NPT is a mutual agreement, not a law. Iran has the right to withdraw and acquire nuclear weapons any time it wants.


It has the force of international law

[Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT) has the force of international law for the nations that have signed and ratified it
As a formal treaty that has "entered into force," it creates legally binding obligations under the principle of pacta sunt servanda (agreements must be kept).

It is the only multilateral treaty where nuclear-weapon states have a binding legal commitment to the goal of disarmament.

For the 191 parties to the treaty, its provisions are not just suggestions; they are international legal requirements.]


Violation of the treaty is grounds for the UN security council to take action against a State

[If the IAEA cannot verify that a program is peaceful, it reports the state to the UN Security Council. The Council has the authority to declare the violation a "threat to international peace and security"]
Sam Lowry
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Redbrickbear said:

Sam Lowry said:

whiterock said:

historian said:

whiterock said:

The_barBEARian said:

Many Americans do not want the enemy Israeli regime having nuclear weapons either that they have used to blackmail our country since the Yom Kippur war.

When are we going to bomb Israel until they dismantle their nuclear program?

No need to bomb them. They are our best ally.

Also, they don't gave an apocalyptic ideology of routinely threaten their neighbors. Israel's nuclear program is strictly defensive as demonstrated by how many times they have used nukes in warfare. Antisemites have trouble making rational distinctions because they are consumed by their bigotry which is totally irrational.

and the reality that they actually have a rational existential need for nuclear weapons - a tiny, resource-poor country surrounded by hostile neighbors who have repeatedly attacked them. Iran, by comparison, has almost zero existential need for nuclear weapons. it is an enormous, resource rich country of nearly 100m people who has little reason to fear annihilation from any of its neighbors.

Whiterock: "Iran has little reason to fear annihilation."

Trump: "A whole civilization will die tonight, never to be brought back again."


Dump statement by Trump

But even dumper to believe that he or anyone in the West really means that or intends to carry out such a thing.

We did not destroy Japanese civilization or German or Italian Civilization in WWII

And those of course were far more destructive existential conflicts with justification for wars of obliteration.

The USA has never waged war on any nation state with the intention of never rehabilitating it and one day making it an ally.

We literally don't even know how to wage wars like that were we don't at least plan on one day being friends with them in some form.

When you've failed to topple or disarm the regime, what options are left? Nothing we can do will cause Iran to submit.

This is the logical conclusion of a policy based on arrogance and self-deception.
Mitch Blood Green
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Redbrickbear said:

whiterock said:

historian said:

whiterock said:

The_barBEARian said:

Many Americans do not want the enemy Israeli regime having nuclear weapons either that they have used to blackmail our country since the Yom Kippur war.

When are we going to bomb Israel until they dismantle their nuclear program?

No need to bomb them. They are our best ally.

Also, they don't gave an apocalyptic ideology of routinely threaten their neighbors. Israel's nuclear program is strictly defensive as demonstrated by how many times they have used nukes in warfare. Antisemites have trouble making rational distinctions because they are consumed by their bigotry which is totally irrational.

and the reality that they actually have a rational existential need for nuclear weapons - a tiny, resource-poor country surrounded by hostile neighbors who have repeatedly attacked them. Iran, by comparison, has almost zero existential need for nuclear weapons. it is an enormous, resource rich country of nearly 100m people who has little reason to fear annihilation from any of its neighbors.


Another issue is that under international law Iran has NO right to acquire nuclear weapons regardless of if it feels they are "needed" or not.

[Under the 1968 Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT), only five nations -the USA, Russia, UK, France, and China -are recognized as nuclear weapon states, having tested devices before 1967. All other signatories pledge not to acquire them]

[Iran signed the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT) in July 1968 and ratified it in February 1970. As a non-nuclear-weapon state party, Iran is legally committed to not acquiring nuclear weapons and to permitting IAEA inspections under its 1974 safeguards agreement. Iran remains a party, though it has recently debated exiting]

You know who hasn't signed? Also, US intelligence doesn't agree that Iran has been actively pursuing a bomb. I trust our people.

America's spies say Iran wasn't building a nuclear weapon. Trump dismisses that assessment | PBS News
Oldbear83
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Iran's cheerleaders here in force today, be it Sam, FLBear, barB or any other of the mullahs in mufti.


Anything to hate the American effort.
Sam Lowry
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Redbrickbear said:

Sam Lowry said:

Redbrickbear said:

whiterock said:

historian said:

whiterock said:

The_barBEARian said:

Many Americans do not want the enemy Israeli regime having nuclear weapons either that they have used to blackmail our country since the Yom Kippur war.

When are we going to bomb Israel until they dismantle their nuclear program?

No need to bomb them. They are our best ally.

Also, they don't gave an apocalyptic ideology of routinely threaten their neighbors. Israel's nuclear program is strictly defensive as demonstrated by how many times they have used nukes in warfare. Antisemites have trouble making rational distinctions because they are consumed by their bigotry which is totally irrational.

and the reality that they actually have a rational existential need for nuclear weapons - a tiny, resource-poor country surrounded by hostile neighbors who have repeatedly attacked them. Iran, by comparison, has almost zero existential need for nuclear weapons. it is an enormous, resource rich country of nearly 100m people who has little reason to fear annihilation from any of its neighbors.


Another issue is that under international law Iran has NO right to acquire nuclear weapons regardless of if it feels they are "needed" or not.

[Under the 1968 Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT), only five nations -the USA, Russia, UK, France, and China -are recognized as nuclear weapon states, having tested devices before 1967. All other signatories pledge not to acquire them]

[Iran signed the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT) in July 1968 and ratified it in February 1970. As a non-nuclear-weapon state party, Iran is legally committed to not acquiring nuclear weapons and to permitting IAEA inspections under its 1974 safeguards agreement. Iran remains a party, though it has recently debated exiting]

The NPT is a mutual agreement, not a law. Iran has the right to withdraw and acquire nuclear weapons any time it wants.


It has the force of international law

[Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT) has the force of international law for the nations that have signed and ratified it
As a formal treaty that has "entered into force," it creates legally binding obligations under the principle of pacta sunt servanda (agreements must be kept).

It is the only multilateral treaty where nuclear-weapon states have a binding legal commitment to the goal of disarmament.

For the 191 parties to the treaty, its provisions are not just suggestions; they are international legal requirements.]


Violation of the treaty is grounds for the UN security council to take action against a State

[If the IAEA cannot verify that a program is peaceful, it reports the state to the UN Security Council. The Council has the authority to declare the violation a "threat to international peace and security"]

The Security Council can declare anything a threat to international peace and security. However, violations of the treaty are not actionable per se. It is more in the nature of a contract than anything else (which the nuclear powers have violated routinely and egregiously, BTW).
Redbrickbear
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Sam Lowry said:

Redbrickbear said:

Sam Lowry said:

whiterock said:

historian said:

whiterock said:

The_barBEARian said:

Many Americans do not want the enemy Israeli regime having nuclear weapons either that they have used to blackmail our country since the Yom Kippur war.

When are we going to bomb Israel until they dismantle their nuclear program?

No need to bomb them. They are our best ally.

Also, they don't gave an apocalyptic ideology of routinely threaten their neighbors. Israel's nuclear program is strictly defensive as demonstrated by how many times they have used nukes in warfare. Antisemites have trouble making rational distinctions because they are consumed by their bigotry which is totally irrational.

and the reality that they actually have a rational existential need for nuclear weapons - a tiny, resource-poor country surrounded by hostile neighbors who have repeatedly attacked them. Iran, by comparison, has almost zero existential need for nuclear weapons. it is an enormous, resource rich country of nearly 100m people who has little reason to fear annihilation from any of its neighbors.

Whiterock: "Iran has little reason to fear annihilation."

Trump: "A whole civilization will die tonight, never to be brought back again."


Dump statement by Trump

But even dumper to believe that he or anyone in the West really means that or intends to carry out such a thing.

We did not destroy Japanese civilization or German or Italian Civilization in WWII

And those of course were far more destructive existential conflicts with justification for wars of obliteration.

The USA has never waged war on any nation state with the intention of never rehabilitating it and one day making it an ally.

We literally don't even know how to wage wars like that were we don't at least plan on one day being friends with them in some form.

Nothing we can do will cause Iran to submit.




Uh...you can always force a State to submit

"If you kill enough of them, they stop fighting" -Gen. Curtis LeMay

That is a simple and historic fact.

Now....might not be worth our time or money to do so....but it can be done.
Redbrickbear
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Mitch Blood Green said:

Redbrickbear said:

whiterock said:

historian said:

whiterock said:

The_barBEARian said:

Many Americans do not want the enemy Israeli regime having nuclear weapons either that they have used to blackmail our country since the Yom Kippur war.

When are we going to bomb Israel until they dismantle their nuclear program?

No need to bomb them. They are our best ally.

Also, they don't gave an apocalyptic ideology of routinely threaten their neighbors. Israel's nuclear program is strictly defensive as demonstrated by how many times they have used nukes in warfare. Antisemites have trouble making rational distinctions because they are consumed by their bigotry which is totally irrational.

and the reality that they actually have a rational existential need for nuclear weapons - a tiny, resource-poor country surrounded by hostile neighbors who have repeatedly attacked them. Iran, by comparison, has almost zero existential need for nuclear weapons. it is an enormous, resource rich country of nearly 100m people who has little reason to fear annihilation from any of its neighbors.


Another issue is that under international law Iran has NO right to acquire nuclear weapons regardless of if it feels they are "needed" or not.

[Under the 1968 Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT), only five nations -the USA, Russia, UK, France, and China -are recognized as nuclear weapon states, having tested devices before 1967. All other signatories pledge not to acquire them]

[Iran signed the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT) in July 1968 and ratified it in February 1970. As a non-nuclear-weapon state party, Iran is legally committed to not acquiring nuclear weapons and to permitting IAEA inspections under its 1974 safeguards agreement. Iran remains a party, though it has recently debated exiting]

You know who hasn't signed? Also, US intelligence doesn't agree that Iran has been actively pursuing a bomb. I trust our people.

India, Israel, Pakistan, and South Africa.

And South Africa eventually gave up their weapons.

Now that is a different discussion of if Israel and others should have them.

But that is not actually relevant to the idea that Iran should not.

I am not happy that Pakistan has them...but just because the loons in Islamabad have nukes does not mean the nuts in Tehran should.
The_barBEARian
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Redbrickbear said:

Sam Lowry said:

whiterock said:

historian said:

whiterock said:

The_barBEARian said:

Many Americans do not want the enemy Israeli regime having nuclear weapons either that they have used to blackmail our country since the Yom Kippur war.

When are we going to bomb Israel until they dismantle their nuclear program?

No need to bomb them. They are our best ally.

Also, they don't gave an apocalyptic ideology of routinely threaten their neighbors. Israel's nuclear program is strictly defensive as demonstrated by how many times they have used nukes in warfare. Antisemites have trouble making rational distinctions because they are consumed by their bigotry which is totally irrational.

and the reality that they actually have a rational existential need for nuclear weapons - a tiny, resource-poor country surrounded by hostile neighbors who have repeatedly attacked them. Iran, by comparison, has almost zero existential need for nuclear weapons. it is an enormous, resource rich country of nearly 100m people who has little reason to fear annihilation from any of its neighbors.

Whiterock: "Iran has little reason to fear annihilation."

Trump: "A whole civilization will die tonight, never to be brought back again."


Dump statement by Trump

But even dumper to believe that he or anyone in the West really means that or intends to carry out such a thing.

We did not destroy Japanese civilization or German or Italian Civilization in WWII

And those of course were far more destructive existential conflicts with justification for wars of obliteration.

The USA has never waged war on any nation state with the intention of never rehabilitating it and one day making it an ally.

We literally don't even know how to wage wars like that were we don't at least plan on one day being friends with them in some form.


Have you been to Germany or Italy lately?

The East German Soviet side of Germany is actually the half keeping them alive at the moment.

Our country is corrupted and it spreads its corruption all over the globe. Until we deal with the corruption at home, we shouldn't be in favor of messing up other countries abroad.

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