President Trump announces military strikes on Iran: Operation Epic Fury

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Sam Lowry
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EatMoreSalmon said:

Sam Lowry said:

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boognish_bear said:



Why is Kushner and Witkoff at the table? Two real estate developers? Anyone else find this strange?

Almost as strange as their strongly pro-Zionist views. No one negotiating on behalf of the United States should have any loyalty to any country other than the United States.

That sounds downright stereotyped MAGA.
It's pretty much Diplomacy 101. Certainly would not have been controversial during most of our history as a republic.

Of all the bizarre things about the times we're living in, one of the most bizarre is that so many think it's all normal.
EatMoreSalmon
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Sam Lowry said:

EatMoreSalmon said:

Sam Lowry said:

FLBear5630 said:

boognish_bear said:



Why is Kushner and Witkoff at the table? Two real estate developers? Anyone else find this strange?

Almost as strange as their strongly pro-Zionist views. No one negotiating on behalf of the United States should have any loyalty to any country other than the United States.

That sounds downright stereotyped MAGA.

It's pretty much Diplomacy 101. Certainly would not have been controversial during most of our history as a republic.

Of all the bizarre things about the times we're living in, one of the most bizarre is that so many think it's all normal.

"Based on available public records and biographical information, neither Jared Kushnernor Steve Witkoff hold Israeli citizenship; they are American citizens. While Jared Kushner is Jewish and has deep, well-documented pro-Israel ideological commitments, he has not been reported to hold dual citizenship."

What is your problem that doesn't exist now? Is this another propaganda gullibility of yours? Should anyone who favored Britain over Germany in WW2 been left out of 1945 negotiations? Your premise is toothless.
J.R.
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FLBear5630 said:

boognish_bear said:



Why is Kushner and Witkoff at the table? Two real estate developers? Anyone else find this strange?

not in the least. They have both been vetted by Congress. Trump grift continues. Jared already got $2b for a fund he has NO experience in. young, jew, jared also has his tin cup out whilst negotiation . He only is looking for $5B. No conflict of interest here. Witkoff showed up at first meeting with Putin with no translator. This is who we have negating on our behalf or on Israel's behalf.
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EatMoreSalmon said:

Sam Lowry said:

EatMoreSalmon said:

Sam Lowry said:

FLBear5630 said:

boognish_bear said:



Why is Kushner and Witkoff at the table? Two real estate developers? Anyone else find this strange?

Almost as strange as their strongly pro-Zionist views. No one negotiating on behalf of the United States should have any loyalty to any country other than the United States.

That sounds downright stereotyped MAGA.

It's pretty much Diplomacy 101. Certainly would not have been controversial during most of our history as a republic.

Of all the bizarre things about the times we're living in, one of the most bizarre is that so many think it's all normal.

"Based on available public records and biographical information, neither Jared Kushnernor Steve Witkoff hold Israeli citizenship; they are American citizens. While Jared Kushner is Jewish and has deep, well-documented pro-Israel ideological commitments, he has not been reported to hold dual citizenship."

What is your problem that doesn't exist now? Is this another propaganda gullibility of yours? Should anyone who favored Britain over Germany in WW2 been left out of 1945 negotiations? Your premise is toothless.

Britain was a useful ally, but we had no loyalty to them. We never consciously subordinated our interests to theirs. It's not clear the same is true of our politicians and diplomats with regard to Israel.
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I never much believed in all the claims about 'Islamophobia', but this thread definitely is showing a lot of fear of Jews.

Is the rabbi in the room right now?
Sam Lowry
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Oldbear83 said:

I never much believed in all the claims about 'Islamophobia', but this thread definitely is showing a lot of fear of Jews.

Is the rabbi in the room right now?

Slander is a sin.
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Sam Lowry said:

Oldbear83 said:

I never much believed in all the claims about 'Islamophobia', but this thread definitely is showing a lot of fear of Jews.

Is the rabbi in the room right now?

Slander is a sin.


That does not seem to bother you, Sam, since you do it so much.

Bearing false witness is something else you do an awful lot these days.
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J.R.
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Oldbear83 said:

I never much believed in all the claims about 'Islamophobia', but this thread definitely is showing a lot of fear of Jews.

Is the rabbi in the room right now?

Eff Izzy! those bloodthirsty govt officials need to go at this without ANY help from us. Screw that biblical crap. Eff Them. (govt)
FLBear5630
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J.R. said:

FLBear5630 said:

boognish_bear said:



Why is Kushner and Witkoff at the table? Two real estate developers? Anyone else find this strange?

not in the least. They have both been vetted by Congress. Trump grift continues. Jared already got $2b for a fund he has NO experience in. young, jew, jared also has his tin cup out whilst negotiation . He only is looking for $5B. No conflict of interest here. Witkoff showed up at first meeting with Putin with no translator. This is who we have negating on our behalf or on Israel's behalf.


The issue i have is the naked grift. Did other Presidents use family or personal friends for official US business? Of course, we are not naive. FDR was famous for it. But it was all done behind the scenes. Businesses were put in blind trusts.

This group is doing it openly, this makes the American people complicit. That is an issue. Some will say that is better he is just saying out loud what gets said in private. Well, once we know it is on us to act or we are just as guilty. MAGA, the Oldbear's, the Whiterock's, etc are just as guilty as Trump because they know and agree. Transparency is only good when it stops corruption, if it doesn't it approves it. Same with ICE shooting people or Hegseth blowing up boats as law enforcement, or Hegseth ordering no quarter or Bondi snubbing Congress over the Epstein files.

Those things are a problem if not called out and stopped. Either we have law or not. MAGA cant wave the laws on immigration not being followed and then cherry pick the others

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The Price Jump Is Coming: Why You Need to Stock Up on Food & Consumer Goods This Week

"Here is what I need you to understand: this ceasefire does not change anything in the analysis below. The ceasefire may already be dead. But even if it somehow survives, the damage is done:

The diesel that is already at $5.62 a gallon is already on the trucks delivering your food. The fertilizer that wasn't shipped for 40 days isn't arriving this week. The planting decisions that farmers already made shifting away from crops that need nitrogen fertilizer aren't reversing. The 40-day threshold that the United Nations warned would trigger structural crop reductions was crossed yesterday. Oil at $95 is still 43% above pre-war levels. And the physical crude that refineries already purchased at $141 per barrel is already in the pipeline.

The ceasefire announcement will make people think the crisis is over. That is exactly when you should be buying while everyone else relaxes.

If the ceasefire holds, prices come down slowly over months, not days. If it collapses and Iran's Parliament Speaker just called it "unreasonable" prices snap back to $112+ overnight. Either way, the food price increases from the last 40 days of diesel and fertilizer disruption are locked in and arriving at your grocery store in the next two to four weeks.

Read the full analysis below. Then go shopping."
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FLBear5630
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Realitybites said:

The Price Jump Is Coming: Why You Need to Stock Up on Food & Consumer Goods This Week

"Here is what I need you to understand: this ceasefire does not change anything in the analysis below. The ceasefire may already be dead. But even if it somehow survives, the damage is done:

The diesel that is already at $5.62 a gallon is already on the trucks delivering your food. The fertilizer that wasn't shipped for 40 days isn't arriving this week. The planting decisions that farmers already made shifting away from crops that need nitrogen fertilizer aren't reversing. The 40-day threshold that the United Nations warned would trigger structural crop reductions was crossed yesterday. Oil at $95 is still 43% above pre-war levels. And the physical crude that refineries already purchased at $141 per barrel is already in the pipeline.

The ceasefire announcement will make people think the crisis is over. That is exactly when you should be buying while everyone else relaxes.

If the ceasefire holds, prices come down slowly over months, not days. If it collapses and Iran's Parliament Speaker just called it "unreasonable" prices snap back to $112+ overnight. Either way, the food price increases from the last 40 days of diesel and fertilizer disruption are locked in and arriving at your grocery store in the next two to four weeks.

Read the full analysis below. Then go shopping."

Just read an interesting article from economists at Moody's, that there is no going back to what we had price-wise on oil. Well, Trump gave Musk what he wanted higher priced gas making EVs popular again. Joe Biden and AOC will be happy.
D. C. Bear
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FLBear5630 said:

Realitybites said:

The Price Jump Is Coming: Why You Need to Stock Up on Food & Consumer Goods This Week

"Here is what I need you to understand: this ceasefire does not change anything in the analysis below. The ceasefire may already be dead. But even if it somehow survives, the damage is done:

The diesel that is already at $5.62 a gallon is already on the trucks delivering your food. The fertilizer that wasn't shipped for 40 days isn't arriving this week. The planting decisions that farmers already made shifting away from crops that need nitrogen fertilizer aren't reversing. The 40-day threshold that the United Nations warned would trigger structural crop reductions was crossed yesterday. Oil at $95 is still 43% above pre-war levels. And the physical crude that refineries already purchased at $141 per barrel is already in the pipeline.

The ceasefire announcement will make people think the crisis is over. That is exactly when you should be buying while everyone else relaxes.

If the ceasefire holds, prices come down slowly over months, not days. If it collapses and Iran's Parliament Speaker just called it "unreasonable" prices snap back to $112+ overnight. Either way, the food price increases from the last 40 days of diesel and fertilizer disruption are locked in and arriving at your grocery store in the next two to four weeks.

Read the full analysis below. Then go shopping."

Just read an interesting article from economists at Moody's, that there is no going back to what we had price-wise on oil. Well, Trump gave Musk what he wanted higher priced gas making EVs popular again. Joe Biden and AOC will be happy.


I have heard similar analysis before, and it didn't end up that way. Is there a reason that I should expect this time is different?
Sam Lowry
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D. C. Bear said:

FLBear5630 said:

Realitybites said:

The Price Jump Is Coming: Why You Need to Stock Up on Food & Consumer Goods This Week

"Here is what I need you to understand: this ceasefire does not change anything in the analysis below. The ceasefire may already be dead. But even if it somehow survives, the damage is done:

The diesel that is already at $5.62 a gallon is already on the trucks delivering your food. The fertilizer that wasn't shipped for 40 days isn't arriving this week. The planting decisions that farmers already made shifting away from crops that need nitrogen fertilizer aren't reversing. The 40-day threshold that the United Nations warned would trigger structural crop reductions was crossed yesterday. Oil at $95 is still 43% above pre-war levels. And the physical crude that refineries already purchased at $141 per barrel is already in the pipeline.

The ceasefire announcement will make people think the crisis is over. That is exactly when you should be buying while everyone else relaxes.

If the ceasefire holds, prices come down slowly over months, not days. If it collapses and Iran's Parliament Speaker just called it "unreasonable" prices snap back to $112+ overnight. Either way, the food price increases from the last 40 days of diesel and fertilizer disruption are locked in and arriving at your grocery store in the next two to four weeks.

Read the full analysis below. Then go shopping."

Just read an interesting article from economists at Moody's, that there is no going back to what we had price-wise on oil. Well, Trump gave Musk what he wanted higher priced gas making EVs popular again. Joe Biden and AOC will be happy.


I have heard similar analysis before, and it didn't end up that way. Is there a reason that I should expect this time is different?

I must have missed that analysis. Remind me what happened the last time a regional war decimated Gulf oil production and closed the Strait of Hormuz?
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Sam Lowry said:

D. C. Bear said:

FLBear5630 said:

Realitybites said:

The Price Jump Is Coming: Why You Need to Stock Up on Food & Consumer Goods This Week

"Here is what I need you to understand: this ceasefire does not change anything in the analysis below. The ceasefire may already be dead. But even if it somehow survives, the damage is done:

The diesel that is already at $5.62 a gallon is already on the trucks delivering your food. The fertilizer that wasn't shipped for 40 days isn't arriving this week. The planting decisions that farmers already made shifting away from crops that need nitrogen fertilizer aren't reversing. The 40-day threshold that the United Nations warned would trigger structural crop reductions was crossed yesterday. Oil at $95 is still 43% above pre-war levels. And the physical crude that refineries already purchased at $141 per barrel is already in the pipeline.

The ceasefire announcement will make people think the crisis is over. That is exactly when you should be buying while everyone else relaxes.

If the ceasefire holds, prices come down slowly over months, not days. If it collapses and Iran's Parliament Speaker just called it "unreasonable" prices snap back to $112+ overnight. Either way, the food price increases from the last 40 days of diesel and fertilizer disruption are locked in and arriving at your grocery store in the next two to four weeks.

Read the full analysis below. Then go shopping."

Just read an interesting article from economists at Moody's, that there is no going back to what we had price-wise on oil. Well, Trump gave Musk what he wanted higher priced gas making EVs popular again. Joe Biden and AOC will be happy.


I have heard similar analysis before, and it didn't end up that way. Is there a reason that I should expect this time is different?

I must have missed that analysis. Remind me what happened the last time a regional war decimated Gulf oil production and closed the Strait of Hormuz?


Oil was supposed to run out.
You don't remember this?
Sam Lowry
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D. C. Bear said:

Sam Lowry said:

D. C. Bear said:

FLBear5630 said:

Realitybites said:

The Price Jump Is Coming: Why You Need to Stock Up on Food & Consumer Goods This Week

"Here is what I need you to understand: this ceasefire does not change anything in the analysis below. The ceasefire may already be dead. But even if it somehow survives, the damage is done:

The diesel that is already at $5.62 a gallon is already on the trucks delivering your food. The fertilizer that wasn't shipped for 40 days isn't arriving this week. The planting decisions that farmers already made shifting away from crops that need nitrogen fertilizer aren't reversing. The 40-day threshold that the United Nations warned would trigger structural crop reductions was crossed yesterday. Oil at $95 is still 43% above pre-war levels. And the physical crude that refineries already purchased at $141 per barrel is already in the pipeline.

The ceasefire announcement will make people think the crisis is over. That is exactly when you should be buying while everyone else relaxes.

If the ceasefire holds, prices come down slowly over months, not days. If it collapses and Iran's Parliament Speaker just called it "unreasonable" prices snap back to $112+ overnight. Either way, the food price increases from the last 40 days of diesel and fertilizer disruption are locked in and arriving at your grocery store in the next two to four weeks.

Read the full analysis below. Then go shopping."

Just read an interesting article from economists at Moody's, that there is no going back to what we had price-wise on oil. Well, Trump gave Musk what he wanted higher priced gas making EVs popular again. Joe Biden and AOC will be happy.


I have heard similar analysis before, and it didn't end up that way. Is there a reason that I should expect this time is different?

I must have missed that analysis. Remind me what happened the last time a regional war decimated Gulf oil production and closed the Strait of Hormuz?


Oil was supposed to run out.
You don't remember this?

When was oil supposed to run out?
D. C. Bear
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Sam Lowry said:

D. C. Bear said:

Sam Lowry said:

D. C. Bear said:

FLBear5630 said:

Realitybites said:

The Price Jump Is Coming: Why You Need to Stock Up on Food & Consumer Goods This Week

"Here is what I need you to understand: this ceasefire does not change anything in the analysis below. The ceasefire may already be dead. But even if it somehow survives, the damage is done:

The diesel that is already at $5.62 a gallon is already on the trucks delivering your food. The fertilizer that wasn't shipped for 40 days isn't arriving this week. The planting decisions that farmers already made shifting away from crops that need nitrogen fertilizer aren't reversing. The 40-day threshold that the United Nations warned would trigger structural crop reductions was crossed yesterday. Oil at $95 is still 43% above pre-war levels. And the physical crude that refineries already purchased at $141 per barrel is already in the pipeline.

The ceasefire announcement will make people think the crisis is over. That is exactly when you should be buying while everyone else relaxes.

If the ceasefire holds, prices come down slowly over months, not days. If it collapses and Iran's Parliament Speaker just called it "unreasonable" prices snap back to $112+ overnight. Either way, the food price increases from the last 40 days of diesel and fertilizer disruption are locked in and arriving at your grocery store in the next two to four weeks.

Read the full analysis below. Then go shopping."

Just read an interesting article from economists at Moody's, that there is no going back to what we had price-wise on oil. Well, Trump gave Musk what he wanted higher priced gas making EVs popular again. Joe Biden and AOC will be happy.


I have heard similar analysis before, and it didn't end up that way. Is there a reason that I should expect this time is different?

I must have missed that analysis. Remind me what happened the last time a regional war decimated Gulf oil production and closed the Strait of Hormuz?


Oil was supposed to run out.
You don't remember this?

When was oil supposed to run out?


About a quarter century ago.
Sam Lowry
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D. C. Bear said:

Sam Lowry said:

D. C. Bear said:

Sam Lowry said:

D. C. Bear said:

FLBear5630 said:

Realitybites said:

The Price Jump Is Coming: Why You Need to Stock Up on Food & Consumer Goods This Week

"Here is what I need you to understand: this ceasefire does not change anything in the analysis below. The ceasefire may already be dead. But even if it somehow survives, the damage is done:

The diesel that is already at $5.62 a gallon is already on the trucks delivering your food. The fertilizer that wasn't shipped for 40 days isn't arriving this week. The planting decisions that farmers already made shifting away from crops that need nitrogen fertilizer aren't reversing. The 40-day threshold that the United Nations warned would trigger structural crop reductions was crossed yesterday. Oil at $95 is still 43% above pre-war levels. And the physical crude that refineries already purchased at $141 per barrel is already in the pipeline.

The ceasefire announcement will make people think the crisis is over. That is exactly when you should be buying while everyone else relaxes.

If the ceasefire holds, prices come down slowly over months, not days. If it collapses and Iran's Parliament Speaker just called it "unreasonable" prices snap back to $112+ overnight. Either way, the food price increases from the last 40 days of diesel and fertilizer disruption are locked in and arriving at your grocery store in the next two to four weeks.

Read the full analysis below. Then go shopping."

Just read an interesting article from economists at Moody's, that there is no going back to what we had price-wise on oil. Well, Trump gave Musk what he wanted higher priced gas making EVs popular again. Joe Biden and AOC will be happy.


I have heard similar analysis before, and it didn't end up that way. Is there a reason that I should expect this time is different?

I must have missed that analysis. Remind me what happened the last time a regional war decimated Gulf oil production and closed the Strait of Hormuz?


Oil was supposed to run out.
You don't remember this?

When was oil supposed to run out?


About a quarter century ago.

I don't remember a crisis in the strait or the destruction of oil infrastructure throughout the region in the early 2000s. We're not speculating now. Reduced supply is a fact, and with it come certain implications.
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D. C. Bear said:

FLBear5630 said:

Realitybites said:

The Price Jump Is Coming: Why You Need to Stock Up on Food & Consumer Goods This Week

"Here is what I need you to understand: this ceasefire does not change anything in the analysis below. The ceasefire may already be dead. But even if it somehow survives, the damage is done:

The diesel that is already at $5.62 a gallon is already on the trucks delivering your food. The fertilizer that wasn't shipped for 40 days isn't arriving this week. The planting decisions that farmers already made shifting away from crops that need nitrogen fertilizer aren't reversing. The 40-day threshold that the United Nations warned would trigger structural crop reductions was crossed yesterday. Oil at $95 is still 43% above pre-war levels. And the physical crude that refineries already purchased at $141 per barrel is already in the pipeline.

The ceasefire announcement will make people think the crisis is over. That is exactly when you should be buying while everyone else relaxes.

If the ceasefire holds, prices come down slowly over months, not days. If it collapses and Iran's Parliament Speaker just called it "unreasonable" prices snap back to $112+ overnight. Either way, the food price increases from the last 40 days of diesel and fertilizer disruption are locked in and arriving at your grocery store in the next two to four weeks.

Read the full analysis below. Then go shopping."

Just read an interesting article from economists at Moody's, that there is no going back to what we had price-wise on oil. Well, Trump gave Musk what he wanted higher priced gas making EVs popular again. Joe Biden and AOC will be happy.


I have heard similar analysis before, and it didn't end up that way. Is there a reason that I should expect this time is different?

Iran controls the Straits and we have an active war in the ME. You see that resolving in the short term and everything going back to like it was?

Also, the last time we had this level of analysis was after COVID and we still aren't back to where it was before. Look at shelves from 2019 and 2026. The selection is much less and more expensive.

You MAGA guys are the only ones saying that it is nothing. I know, TDS...
D. C. Bear
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Sam Lowry said:

D. C. Bear said:

Sam Lowry said:

D. C. Bear said:

Sam Lowry said:

D. C. Bear said:

FLBear5630 said:

Realitybites said:

The Price Jump Is Coming: Why You Need to Stock Up on Food & Consumer Goods This Week

"Here is what I need you to understand: this ceasefire does not change anything in the analysis below. The ceasefire may already be dead. But even if it somehow survives, the damage is done:

The diesel that is already at $5.62 a gallon is already on the trucks delivering your food. The fertilizer that wasn't shipped for 40 days isn't arriving this week. The planting decisions that farmers already made shifting away from crops that need nitrogen fertilizer aren't reversing. The 40-day threshold that the United Nations warned would trigger structural crop reductions was crossed yesterday. Oil at $95 is still 43% above pre-war levels. And the physical crude that refineries already purchased at $141 per barrel is already in the pipeline.

The ceasefire announcement will make people think the crisis is over. That is exactly when you should be buying while everyone else relaxes.

If the ceasefire holds, prices come down slowly over months, not days. If it collapses and Iran's Parliament Speaker just called it "unreasonable" prices snap back to $112+ overnight. Either way, the food price increases from the last 40 days of diesel and fertilizer disruption are locked in and arriving at your grocery store in the next two to four weeks.

Read the full analysis below. Then go shopping."

Just read an interesting article from economists at Moody's, that there is no going back to what we had price-wise on oil. Well, Trump gave Musk what he wanted higher priced gas making EVs popular again. Joe Biden and AOC will be happy.


I have heard similar analysis before, and it didn't end up that way. Is there a reason that I should expect this time is different?

I must have missed that analysis. Remind me what happened the last time a regional war decimated Gulf oil production and closed the Strait of Hormuz?


Oil was supposed to run out.
You don't remember this?

When was oil supposed to run out?


About a quarter century ago.

I don't remember a crisis in the strait or the destruction of oil infrastructure throughout the region in the early 2000s. We're not speculating now. Reduced supply is a fact, and with it come certain implications.


"Never going back" is a pretty hard position to support.
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FLBear5630 said:

D. C. Bear said:

FLBear5630 said:

Realitybites said:

The Price Jump Is Coming: Why You Need to Stock Up on Food & Consumer Goods This Week

"Here is what I need you to understand: this ceasefire does not change anything in the analysis below. The ceasefire may already be dead. But even if it somehow survives, the damage is done:

The diesel that is already at $5.62 a gallon is already on the trucks delivering your food. The fertilizer that wasn't shipped for 40 days isn't arriving this week. The planting decisions that farmers already made shifting away from crops that need nitrogen fertilizer aren't reversing. The 40-day threshold that the United Nations warned would trigger structural crop reductions was crossed yesterday. Oil at $95 is still 43% above pre-war levels. And the physical crude that refineries already purchased at $141 per barrel is already in the pipeline.

The ceasefire announcement will make people think the crisis is over. That is exactly when you should be buying while everyone else relaxes.

If the ceasefire holds, prices come down slowly over months, not days. If it collapses and Iran's Parliament Speaker just called it "unreasonable" prices snap back to $112+ overnight. Either way, the food price increases from the last 40 days of diesel and fertilizer disruption are locked in and arriving at your grocery store in the next two to four weeks.

Read the full analysis below. Then go shopping."

Just read an interesting article from economists at Moody's, that there is no going back to what we had price-wise on oil. Well, Trump gave Musk what he wanted higher priced gas making EVs popular again. Joe Biden and AOC will be happy.


I have heard similar analysis before, and it didn't end up that way. Is there a reason that I should expect this time is different?

Iran controls the Straits and we have an active war in the ME. You see that resolving in the short term and everything going back to like it was?

Also, the last time we had this level of analysis was after COVID and we still aren't back to where it was before. Look at shelves from 2019 and 2026. The selection is much less and more expensive.

You MAGA guys are the only ones saying that it is nothing. I know, TDS...


I am not a MAGA guy. Never voted for Trump and I don't like him.
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J.R. said:

Jack Bauer said:

Now I've seen everything





Now, what branch of the service did Queen Lindsey serve? This guy needs to move along. He is one of the few overt Trump Cheerleaders. I thought Texas had a clown show in the Senate. Queen Lindsey is an embarrassment to the great state of SC. Glad my tuition $ went to a private institution in SC.

It amuses me that with all your hatred of Trump, your posts always sound an awful lot like his. Unhinged rants assigning everyone you hate weird nicknames no one else uses for them. You two may have more in common than you think.
Sic Everyone.
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D. C. Bear said:

FLBear5630 said:

D. C. Bear said:

FLBear5630 said:

Realitybites said:

The Price Jump Is Coming: Why You Need to Stock Up on Food & Consumer Goods This Week

"Here is what I need you to understand: this ceasefire does not change anything in the analysis below. The ceasefire may already be dead. But even if it somehow survives, the damage is done:

The diesel that is already at $5.62 a gallon is already on the trucks delivering your food. The fertilizer that wasn't shipped for 40 days isn't arriving this week. The planting decisions that farmers already made shifting away from crops that need nitrogen fertilizer aren't reversing. The 40-day threshold that the United Nations warned would trigger structural crop reductions was crossed yesterday. Oil at $95 is still 43% above pre-war levels. And the physical crude that refineries already purchased at $141 per barrel is already in the pipeline.

The ceasefire announcement will make people think the crisis is over. That is exactly when you should be buying while everyone else relaxes.

If the ceasefire holds, prices come down slowly over months, not days. If it collapses and Iran's Parliament Speaker just called it "unreasonable" prices snap back to $112+ overnight. Either way, the food price increases from the last 40 days of diesel and fertilizer disruption are locked in and arriving at your grocery store in the next two to four weeks.

Read the full analysis below. Then go shopping."

Just read an interesting article from economists at Moody's, that there is no going back to what we had price-wise on oil. Well, Trump gave Musk what he wanted higher priced gas making EVs popular again. Joe Biden and AOC will be happy.


I have heard similar analysis before, and it didn't end up that way. Is there a reason that I should expect this time is different?

Iran controls the Straits and we have an active war in the ME. You see that resolving in the short term and everything going back to like it was?

Also, the last time we had this level of analysis was after COVID and we still aren't back to where it was before. Look at shelves from 2019 and 2026. The selection is much less and more expensive.

You MAGA guys are the only ones saying that it is nothing. I know, TDS...


I am not a MAGA guy. Never voted for Trump and I don't like him.

Cool. Sorry, this position was usually taken by them. Apologize for the assumption.
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Sam Lowry said:

D. C. Bear said:

Sam Lowry said:

D. C. Bear said:

FLBear5630 said:

Realitybites said:

The Price Jump Is Coming: Why You Need to Stock Up on Food & Consumer Goods This Week

"Here is what I need you to understand: this ceasefire does not change anything in the analysis below. The ceasefire may already be dead. But even if it somehow survives, the damage is done:

The diesel that is already at $5.62 a gallon is already on the trucks delivering your food. The fertilizer that wasn't shipped for 40 days isn't arriving this week. The planting decisions that farmers already made shifting away from crops that need nitrogen fertilizer aren't reversing. The 40-day threshold that the United Nations warned would trigger structural crop reductions was crossed yesterday. Oil at $95 is still 43% above pre-war levels. And the physical crude that refineries already purchased at $141 per barrel is already in the pipeline.

The ceasefire announcement will make people think the crisis is over. That is exactly when you should be buying while everyone else relaxes.

If the ceasefire holds, prices come down slowly over months, not days. If it collapses and Iran's Parliament Speaker just called it "unreasonable" prices snap back to $112+ overnight. Either way, the food price increases from the last 40 days of diesel and fertilizer disruption are locked in and arriving at your grocery store in the next two to four weeks.

Read the full analysis below. Then go shopping."

Just read an interesting article from economists at Moody's, that there is no going back to what we had price-wise on oil. Well, Trump gave Musk what he wanted higher priced gas making EVs popular again. Joe Biden and AOC will be happy.


I have heard similar analysis before, and it didn't end up that way. Is there a reason that I should expect this time is different?

I must have missed that analysis. Remind me what happened the last time a regional war decimated Gulf oil production and closed the Strait of Hormuz?


Oil was supposed to run out.
You don't remember this?

When was oil supposed to run out?

Which prediction do you want?

There have been many since oil first even started to be drilled.

There were some in the early 1900s that it would run out by the 1930s.

IN the 1940s there were more predictions.

1960s
1970s
early 2000s
2020
or even within the last year.

Of course each time the date is pushed back. Like right now the "prediction" seems to be on the 2050-2060s that we will not run out but will start producing less as demand drops and this is the only thing that will prevent us from running out completely for a little while longer.
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FormerFlash said:

J.R. said:

Jack Bauer said:

Now I've seen everything





Now, what branch of the service did Queen Lindsey serve? This guy needs to move along. He is one of the few overt Trump Cheerleaders. I thought Texas had a clown show in the Senate. Queen Lindsey is an embarrassment to the great state of SC. Glad my tuition $ went to a private institution in SC.

It amuses me that with all your hatred of Trump, your posts always sound an awful lot like his. Unhinged rants assigning everyone you hate weird nicknames no one else uses for them. You two may have more in common than you think.

carry. on supporting trump and queen Lindsey
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FLBear5630 said:

Realitybites said:

The Price Jump Is Coming: Why You Need to Stock Up on Food & Consumer Goods This Week

"Here is what I need you to understand: this ceasefire does not change anything in the analysis below. The ceasefire may already be dead. But even if it somehow survives, the damage is done:

The diesel that is already at $5.62 a gallon is already on the trucks delivering your food. The fertilizer that wasn't shipped for 40 days isn't arriving this week. The planting decisions that farmers already made shifting away from crops that need nitrogen fertilizer aren't reversing. The 40-day threshold that the United Nations warned would trigger structural crop reductions was crossed yesterday. Oil at $95 is still 43% above pre-war levels. And the physical crude that refineries already purchased at $141 per barrel is already in the pipeline.

The ceasefire announcement will make people think the crisis is over. That is exactly when you should be buying while everyone else relaxes.

If the ceasefire holds, prices come down slowly over months, not days. If it collapses and Iran's Parliament Speaker just called it "unreasonable" prices snap back to $112+ overnight. Either way, the food price increases from the last 40 days of diesel and fertilizer disruption are locked in and arriving at your grocery store in the next two to four weeks.

Read the full analysis below. Then go shopping."

Just read an interesting article from economists at Moody's, that there is no going back to what we had price-wise on oil. Well, Trump gave Musk what he wanted higher priced gas making EVs popular again. Joe Biden and AOC will be happy.


Still lost the incentive and Trump killed the refueling infrastructure.

I almost bought an Audi EV at end of last year. Now it's not in the marketplace. The automakers all kinda paused production (or importation) into the US market.
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FLBear5630 said:

D. C. Bear said:

FLBear5630 said:

Realitybites said:

The Price Jump Is Coming: Why You Need to Stock Up on Food & Consumer Goods This Week

"Here is what I need you to understand: this ceasefire does not change anything in the analysis below. The ceasefire may already be dead. But even if it somehow survives, the damage is done:

The diesel that is already at $5.62 a gallon is already on the trucks delivering your food. The fertilizer that wasn't shipped for 40 days isn't arriving this week. The planting decisions that farmers already made shifting away from crops that need nitrogen fertilizer aren't reversing. The 40-day threshold that the United Nations warned would trigger structural crop reductions was crossed yesterday. Oil at $95 is still 43% above pre-war levels. And the physical crude that refineries already purchased at $141 per barrel is already in the pipeline.

The ceasefire announcement will make people think the crisis is over. That is exactly when you should be buying while everyone else relaxes.

If the ceasefire holds, prices come down slowly over months, not days. If it collapses and Iran's Parliament Speaker just called it "unreasonable" prices snap back to $112+ overnight. Either way, the food price increases from the last 40 days of diesel and fertilizer disruption are locked in and arriving at your grocery store in the next two to four weeks.

Read the full analysis below. Then go shopping."

Just read an interesting article from economists at Moody's, that there is no going back to what we had price-wise on oil. Well, Trump gave Musk what he wanted higher priced gas making EVs popular again. Joe Biden and AOC will be happy.


I have heard similar analysis before, and it didn't end up that way. Is there a reason that I should expect this time is different?

Iran controls the Straits and we have an active war in the ME. You see that resolving in the short term and everything going back to like it was?

Also, the last time we had this level of analysis was after COVID and we still aren't back to where it was before. Look at shelves from 2019 and 2026. The selection is much less and more expensive.

You MAGA guys are the only ones saying that it is nothing. I know, TDS...

The straight is the ultimate leverage that Iran has and ain't gonna turn loose of it. The have the potential to destroy the world economy, but it will be massive war then and everyone will be fighting for theirs. And as you are well aware is that we ARE NOT Energy Independent. We are the largest producer, but all product is not the same. That crap from Venezuela is thick and sour and is for plastics. We also import 5M per day of Shale Sand product from Canada. We use that for gasoline. Now, we have more NAT GAS than we know what do do with . I still flare more of my gas wells as it costs more to get it out of the ground. And the kicker on this whole deal...Iran stands to make $2B per month on tolls of $2M per ship to get through. so, Iran is getting the double price of the oil that they send out plus the toll. that is the way to squeeze them.
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cowboycwr said:

Sam Lowry said:

D. C. Bear said:

Sam Lowry said:

D. C. Bear said:

FLBear5630 said:

Realitybites said:

The Price Jump Is Coming: Why You Need to Stock Up on Food & Consumer Goods This Week

"Here is what I need you to understand: this ceasefire does not change anything in the analysis below. The ceasefire may already be dead. But even if it somehow survives, the damage is done:

The diesel that is already at $5.62 a gallon is already on the trucks delivering your food. The fertilizer that wasn't shipped for 40 days isn't arriving this week. The planting decisions that farmers already made shifting away from crops that need nitrogen fertilizer aren't reversing. The 40-day threshold that the United Nations warned would trigger structural crop reductions was crossed yesterday. Oil at $95 is still 43% above pre-war levels. And the physical crude that refineries already purchased at $141 per barrel is already in the pipeline.

The ceasefire announcement will make people think the crisis is over. That is exactly when you should be buying while everyone else relaxes.

If the ceasefire holds, prices come down slowly over months, not days. If it collapses and Iran's Parliament Speaker just called it "unreasonable" prices snap back to $112+ overnight. Either way, the food price increases from the last 40 days of diesel and fertilizer disruption are locked in and arriving at your grocery store in the next two to four weeks.

Read the full analysis below. Then go shopping."

Just read an interesting article from economists at Moody's, that there is no going back to what we had price-wise on oil. Well, Trump gave Musk what he wanted higher priced gas making EVs popular again. Joe Biden and AOC will be happy.


I have heard similar analysis before, and it didn't end up that way. Is there a reason that I should expect this time is different?

I must have missed that analysis. Remind me what happened the last time a regional war decimated Gulf oil production and closed the Strait of Hormuz?


Oil was supposed to run out.
You don't remember this?

When was oil supposed to run out?

Which prediction do you want?

There have been many since oil first even started to be drilled.

There were some in the early 1900s that it would run out by the 1930s.

IN the 1940s there were more predictions.

1960s
1970s
early 2000s
2020
or even within the last year.

Of course each time the date is pushed back. Like right now the "prediction" seems to be on the 2050-2060s that we will not run out but will start producing less as demand drops and this is the only thing that will prevent us from running out completely for a little while longer.

Yeah, but how are we getting it and where?

Fracking is causing geotechnical problems. We are now being told the Gulf is open. I don't want to see oil derricks off Clearwater Beach. We are now opening Alaska. It is not as simple as the supply is good. There are tradeoffs.


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FLBear5630 said:

cowboycwr said:

Sam Lowry said:

D. C. Bear said:

Sam Lowry said:

D. C. Bear said:

FLBear5630 said:

Realitybites said:

The Price Jump Is Coming: Why You Need to Stock Up on Food & Consumer Goods This Week

"Here is what I need you to understand: this ceasefire does not change anything in the analysis below. The ceasefire may already be dead. But even if it somehow survives, the damage is done:

The diesel that is already at $5.62 a gallon is already on the trucks delivering your food. The fertilizer that wasn't shipped for 40 days isn't arriving this week. The planting decisions that farmers already made shifting away from crops that need nitrogen fertilizer aren't reversing. The 40-day threshold that the United Nations warned would trigger structural crop reductions was crossed yesterday. Oil at $95 is still 43% above pre-war levels. And the physical crude that refineries already purchased at $141 per barrel is already in the pipeline.

The ceasefire announcement will make people think the crisis is over. That is exactly when you should be buying while everyone else relaxes.

If the ceasefire holds, prices come down slowly over months, not days. If it collapses and Iran's Parliament Speaker just called it "unreasonable" prices snap back to $112+ overnight. Either way, the food price increases from the last 40 days of diesel and fertilizer disruption are locked in and arriving at your grocery store in the next two to four weeks.

Read the full analysis below. Then go shopping."

Just read an interesting article from economists at Moody's, that there is no going back to what we had price-wise on oil. Well, Trump gave Musk what he wanted higher priced gas making EVs popular again. Joe Biden and AOC will be happy.


I have heard similar analysis before, and it didn't end up that way. Is there a reason that I should expect this time is different?

I must have missed that analysis. Remind me what happened the last time a regional war decimated Gulf oil production and closed the Strait of Hormuz?


Oil was supposed to run out.
You don't remember this?

When was oil supposed to run out?

Which prediction do you want?

There have been many since oil first even started to be drilled.

There were some in the early 1900s that it would run out by the 1930s.

IN the 1940s there were more predictions.

1960s
1970s
early 2000s
2020
or even within the last year.

Of course each time the date is pushed back. Like right now the "prediction" seems to be on the 2050-2060s that we will not run out but will start producing less as demand drops and this is the only thing that will prevent us from running out completely for a little while longer.

Yeah, but how are we getting it and where?

Fracking is causing geotechnical problems. We are now being told the Gulf is open. I don't want to see oil derricks off Clearwater Beach. We are now opening Alaska. It is not as simple as the supply is good. There are tradeoffs.





Until nuclear power in some form becomes "ok," there isn't much alternative that works. Safer fission is the present answer. Perhaps fusion will advance enough in some decades from now.

Wind has its own environmental impacts, and solar doesn't seem cost effective in large scale situations.
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J.R. said:

Oldbear83 said:

I never much believed in all the claims about 'Islamophobia', but this thread definitely is showing a lot of fear of Jews.

Is the rabbi in the room right now?

Eff Izzy! those bloodthirsty govt officials need to go at this without ANY help from us. Screw that biblical crap. Eff Them. (govt)

Bet you wouldn't say that after a nice bagel and lox
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boognish_bear said:



There is no way.
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