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Oldbear83 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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No, the BS is using the argument that an accident means we must give up and starve.

Car accidents happen, doesn't mean we stop using cars.

Houses catch fire, doesn't mean we stop building houses.

Politicians lie and cheat, doesn't mean we stop voting.

Oil is the single greatest factor in modern world economy. No one since Carter has been dumb enough to say we should abandon it.

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Abandon oil? What are you talking about? No one said that, actually the complete opposite. We are discussing opening environmentally sensitive land to future drilling. No one said stop drilling, just sine areas the risk is too high and we should preserve something.

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Oh please, your last post on this thread was so estrogen-drenched I thought Greenpeace was doing your posts for you.

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Yet another fine example of using females as an insult. You regarded fool lol.

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To be fair, men and women are actually different and women, on average, tend to be more driven by emotions than men.

D. C. Bear said:

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Porteroso said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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No, the BS is using the argument that an accident means we must give up and starve.

Car accidents happen, doesn't mean we stop using cars.

Houses catch fire, doesn't mean we stop building houses.

Politicians lie and cheat, doesn't mean we stop voting.

Oil is the single greatest factor in modern world economy. No one since Carter has been dumb enough to say we should abandon it.

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Abandon oil? What are you talking about? No one said that, actually the complete opposite. We are discussing opening environmentally sensitive land to future drilling. No one said stop drilling, just sine areas the risk is too high and we should preserve something.

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Oh please, your last post on this thread was so estrogen-drenched I thought Greenpeace was doing your posts for you.

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Yet another fine example of using females as an insult. You regarded fool lol.

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To be fair, men and women are actually different and women, on average, tend to be more driven by emotions than men.

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Oh for sure they are different. But using either as an insult is just dumb. Women do it too, just randomly accuse randos of mansplaining just because they said 1 fact. Dumb.

If we are in the business of over throwing governments, why arent we helping the Irish people overthrow their Globalist EU government right now?

Looks like the Irish are going full Braveheart mode right now. Godspeed.pic.twitter.com/OVcXHm2ATB

— RAW EGG NATIONALIST (@Babygravy9) April 11, 2026

Porteroso said:

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D. C. Bear said:

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Porteroso said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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No, the BS is using the argument that an accident means we must give up and starve.

Car accidents happen, doesn't mean we stop using cars.

Houses catch fire, doesn't mean we stop building houses.

Politicians lie and cheat, doesn't mean we stop voting.

Oil is the single greatest factor in modern world economy. No one since Carter has been dumb enough to say we should abandon it.

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Abandon oil? What are you talking about? No one said that, actually the complete opposite. We are discussing opening environmentally sensitive land to future drilling. No one said stop drilling, just sine areas the risk is too high and we should preserve something.

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Oh please, your last post on this thread was so estrogen-drenched I thought Greenpeace was doing your posts for you.

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Yet another fine example of using females as an insult. You regarded fool lol.

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To be fair, men and women are actually different and women, on average, tend to be more driven by emotions than men.

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Oh for sure they are different. But using either as an insult is just dumb. Women do it too, just randomly accuse randos of mansplaining just because they said 1 fact. Dumb.

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but he's got momma in the kitchen fixing biscuits!

Porteroso said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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No, the BS is using the argument that an accident means we must give up and starve.

Car accidents happen, doesn't mean we stop using cars.

Houses catch fire, doesn't mean we stop building houses.

Politicians lie and cheat, doesn't mean we stop voting.

Oil is the single greatest factor in modern world economy. No one since Carter has been dumb enough to say we should abandon it.

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Abandon oil? What are you talking about? No one said that, actually the complete opposite. We are discussing opening environmentally sensitive land to future drilling. No one said stop drilling, just sine areas the risk is too high and we should preserve something.

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Oh please, your last post on this thread was so estrogen-drenched I thought Greenpeace was doing your posts for you.

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Yet another fine example of using females as an insult. You regarded fool lol.

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There's Porteroso, finding something to whine about whenever possible.

The_barBEARian said:

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If we are in the business of over throwing governments, why arent we helping the Irish people overthrow their Globalist EU government right now?

Looks like the Irish are going full Braveheart mode right now. Godspeed.pic.twitter.com/OVcXHm2ATB

— RAW EGG NATIONALIST (@Babygravy9) April 11, 2026

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Porteroso, what would be an appropriate response to this post? I know that "******ed" is no longer an acceptable description.

D. C. Bear said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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If we are in the business of over throwing governments, why arent we helping the Irish people overthrow their Globalist EU government right now?

Looks like the Irish are going full Braveheart mode right now. Godspeed.pic.twitter.com/OVcXHm2ATB

— RAW EGG NATIONALIST (@Babygravy9) April 11, 2026

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Porteroso, what would be an appropriate response to this post? I know that "******ed" is no longer an acceptable description.

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Do they not have dictionaries in Israel?

The_barBEARian said:

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If we are in the business of over throwing governments, why arent we helping the Irish people overthrow their Globalist EU government right now?

Looks like the Irish are going full Braveheart mode right now. Godspeed.pic.twitter.com/OVcXHm2ATB

— RAW EGG NATIONALIST (@Babygravy9) April 11, 2026

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Slaine!

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FLBear5630 said:

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Realitybites said:

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cowboycwr said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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cowboycwr said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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D. C. Bear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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D. C. Bear said:

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Realitybites said:

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The Price Jump Is Coming: Why You Need to Stock Up on Food & Consumer Goods This Week

"Here is what I need you to understand: this ceasefire does not change anything in the analysis below. The ceasefire may already be dead. But even if it somehow survives, the damage is done:

The diesel that is already at $5.62 a gallon is already on the trucks delivering your food. The fertilizer that wasn't shipped for 40 days isn't arriving this week. The planting decisions that farmers already made shifting away from crops that need nitrogen fertilizer aren't reversing. The 40-day threshold that the United Nations warned would trigger structural crop reductions was crossed yesterday. Oil at $95 is still 43% above pre-war levels. And the physical crude that refineries already purchased at $141 per barrel is already in the pipeline.

The ceasefire announcement will make people think the crisis is over. That is exactly when you should be buying while everyone else relaxes.

If the ceasefire holds, prices come down slowly over months, not days. If it collapses and Iran's Parliament Speaker just called it "unreasonable" prices snap back to $112+ overnight. Either way, the food price increases from the last 40 days of diesel and fertilizer disruption are locked in and arriving at your grocery store in the next two to four weeks.

Read the full analysis below. Then go shopping."

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Just read an interesting article from economists at Moody's, that there is no going back to what we had price-wise on oil. Well, Trump gave Musk what he wanted higher priced gas making EVs popular again. Joe Biden and AOC will be happy.

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I have heard similar analysis before, and it didn't end up that way. Is there a reason that I should expect this time is different?

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I must have missed that analysis. Remind me what happened the last time a regional war decimated Gulf oil production and closed the Strait of Hormuz?

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Oil was supposed to run out.
You don't remember this?

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When was oil supposed to run out?

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Which prediction do you want?

There have been many since oil first even started to be drilled.

There were some in the early 1900s that it would run out by the 1930s.

IN the 1940s there were more predictions.

1960s
1970s
early 2000s
2020
or even within the last year.

Of course each time the date is pushed back. Like right now the "prediction" seems to be on the 2050-2060s that we will not run out but will start producing less as demand drops and this is the only thing that will prevent us from running out completely for a little while longer.

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Yeah, but how are we getting it and where?

Fracking is causing geotechnical problems. We are now being told the Gulf is open. I don't want to see oil derricks off Clearwater Beach. We are now opening Alaska. It is not as simple as the supply is good. There are tradeoffs.

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So you would rather run out then see an oil derrick off shore?

You would rather run out than get it from places that don't impact you?

I'd rather have oil.

I don't mind the oil derricks when I am at the beach. It actually provided interesting views. You can watch the ships that go to them, see their lights or when there are storms coming realize it because the lights can't be seen.

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Anyone remember Deepwater Horizon?

The population of Grand Isle, Louisiana is about a thousand people.

The population of the Clearwater-Tampa-Saint Pete is 3.4 million, and any incident is going to see oil entering Tampa Bay through its inlets, not just washing up on the barrier islands.

I don't want to see oil rigs off Clearwater Beach any more than I want to live next to a nuclear reactor.

The real question is what do we do about complete reliance on an energy source, a significant portion of which is halfway around the world under hostile sands.

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Deepwater Horizon impacted Clearwater Beach. The whole area, they found oil in the Keys.

If we have to destroy the world we live in to get oil, don't you think there is something fundamentally wrong with where we are? We are now opening Anwhar and other park areas, drilling the Gulf (DeSantis is dead set against it), fracking to the point of earthquakes and to go with the standard cancer clusters, drinking water contamination and wildlife destruction.

I agree with you that we are dependent and cold turkey is a non-starter. But, a systematic shift to other sources where we can do them is not unreasonable.

But, of course they do make for interesting land scapes at the beach there is that.

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Of all available other sources, nuclear is the only feasible one at the moment.

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I agree, 100%. I do think Fusion is the future of the package plants. My son-in-law works in fusion.

I do think a combined approach is going to work best including wind, tidal and geothermal in certain areas. As well as oil, LNG, and coal. There is not a single answer, only an growing thirst for energy.

The problem I see is that because of the media era we live, highly complex issues and make them simple sound bites. So we end up with attempts at blanket approaches.

Call me a liberal, but I do agree with Teddy Roosevelt we need to protect and save the environment for future generations. Exploiting resources for short term benefit and destruction of irreplaceable assets is stupid and self-destructive.

But the money people won't stay here then, they will go to New Zealand...

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Is fusion still 15-20 years away?

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Always has been.

Sam Lowry said:

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whiterock said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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Israel 🇮🇱 gives it’s response to a ‘ceasefire’:

•50 🇮🇱 jets dropped 160 bombs in 1 min
•100 Lebanon 🇱🇧 sites bombed in 10 mins
•multiple Lebanon 🇱🇧residential locations
•300 plus people murdered

Israel 🇮🇱 is a pariah state

Expel 🇮🇱 from the UN now.pic.twitter.com/ezxCs5QsEG

— Howard Beckett (@BeckettUnite) April 8, 2026

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Can you not see how hypocritical it is to be so upset at Israel over a friendly fire incident against us (USS Liberty) yet give refuse to issue a syllable of criticism of a group ((Hizballah) who has killed hundreds of American citizens, on purpose with great malice and forethought, to include capturing a US diplomat and skinning him alive on video tape send to President Reagan?

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That never happened, you know.

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I happened while I was on duty.

whiterock said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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whiterock said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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Israel 🇮🇱 gives it’s response to a ‘ceasefire’:

•50 🇮🇱 jets dropped 160 bombs in 1 min
•100 Lebanon 🇱🇧 sites bombed in 10 mins
•multiple Lebanon 🇱🇧residential locations
•300 plus people murdered

Israel 🇮🇱 is a pariah state

Expel 🇮🇱 from the UN now.pic.twitter.com/ezxCs5QsEG

— Howard Beckett (@BeckettUnite) April 8, 2026

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Can you not see how hypocritical it is to be so upset at Israel over a friendly fire incident against us (USS Liberty) yet give refuse to issue a syllable of criticism of a group ((Hizballah) who has killed hundreds of American citizens, on purpose with great malice and forethought, to include capturing a US diplomat and skinning him alive on video tape send to President Reagan?

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That never happened, you know.

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I happened while I was on duty.

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What happened was that someone here quoted a tweet from some rando saying the guy was skinned alive, and you decided to make a regular side hustle out of promoting the story even though there's zero evidence for it.

Art of the Deal Baby! The Bearded Wonder and our very own Jewish Cabal with a SWING AND A MISS! Well, Gold Jesus, guess them damn rag heads have a card to play. This done got comical. Viva la Donnie!

Oldbear83 said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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No, the BS is using the argument that an accident means we must give up and starve.

Car accidents happen, doesn't mean we stop using cars.

Houses catch fire, doesn't mean we stop building houses.

Politicians lie and cheat, doesn't mean we stop voting.

Oil is the single greatest factor in modern world economy. No one since Carter has been dumb enough to say we should abandon it.

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Abandon oil? What are you talking about? No one said that, actually the complete opposite. We are discussing opening environmentally sensitive land to future drilling. No one said stop drilling, just sine areas the risk is too high and we should preserve something.

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Oh please, your last post on this thread was so estrogen-drenched I thought Greenpeace was doing your posts for you.

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I hope you were drinking but i doubt it. You probably do belief real men are good with oil spills and oil covered birds and dead fish. I guess costing areas billions in tourism, fishing and shellfish is an Alpha position? Some fishing fleets never came back.

Oysters and beer not manly enough? Maybe you can go beat up some drunks or better yet gays. Kick a dog or two get that testosterone pumping. Real Alpha stuff, right. GOP stuff right?

DeSantis isnt going to allow it anyway. Drilling off Florida is DOA.

JUST IN - Trump orders the U.S. Navy to blockade the Strait of Hormuz to "any and all ships trying to enter, or leave." Also instructing the U.S. Navy to seek and interdict every vessel in international waters that has paid a toll to Iran: "No one who pays an illegal toll will… pic.twitter.com/wpvTuTvyd6

— Disclose.tv (@disclosetv) April 12, 2026

Trump: "We're putting on a complete blockade. We're not gonna let Iran make money on selling oil to people that they like and not people that they don't like. It's gonna be all or none, and that's the way it is. You saw what we did with Venezuela. It'll be something similar to… pic.twitter.com/NX6WB2upBx

— Aaron Rupar (@atrupar) April 12, 2026

Sam Lowry said:

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D. C. Bear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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D. C. Bear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Realitybites said:

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cowboycwr said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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cowboycwr said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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D. C. Bear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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D. C. Bear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Realitybites said:

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The Price Jump Is Coming: Why You Need to Stock Up on Food & Consumer Goods This Week

"Here is what I need you to understand: this ceasefire does not change anything in the analysis below. The ceasefire may already be dead. But even if it somehow survives, the damage is done:

The diesel that is already at $5.62 a gallon is already on the trucks delivering your food. The fertilizer that wasn't shipped for 40 days isn't arriving this week. The planting decisions that farmers already made shifting away from crops that need nitrogen fertilizer aren't reversing. The 40-day threshold that the United Nations warned would trigger structural crop reductions was crossed yesterday. Oil at $95 is still 43% above pre-war levels. And the physical crude that refineries already purchased at $141 per barrel is already in the pipeline.

The ceasefire announcement will make people think the crisis is over. That is exactly when you should be buying while everyone else relaxes.

If the ceasefire holds, prices come down slowly over months, not days. If it collapses and Iran's Parliament Speaker just called it "unreasonable" prices snap back to $112+ overnight. Either way, the food price increases from the last 40 days of diesel and fertilizer disruption are locked in and arriving at your grocery store in the next two to four weeks.

Read the full analysis below. Then go shopping."

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Just read an interesting article from economists at Moody's, that there is no going back to what we had price-wise on oil. Well, Trump gave Musk what he wanted higher priced gas making EVs popular again. Joe Biden and AOC will be happy.

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I have heard similar analysis before, and it didn't end up that way. Is there a reason that I should expect this time is different?

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I must have missed that analysis. Remind me what happened the last time a regional war decimated Gulf oil production and closed the Strait of Hormuz?

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Oil was supposed to run out.
You don't remember this?

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When was oil supposed to run out?

---

Which prediction do you want?

There have been many since oil first even started to be drilled.

There were some in the early 1900s that it would run out by the 1930s.

IN the 1940s there were more predictions.

1960s
1970s
early 2000s
2020
or even within the last year.

Of course each time the date is pushed back. Like right now the "prediction" seems to be on the 2050-2060s that we will not run out but will start producing less as demand drops and this is the only thing that will prevent us from running out completely for a little while longer.

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Yeah, but how are we getting it and where?

Fracking is causing geotechnical problems. We are now being told the Gulf is open. I don't want to see oil derricks off Clearwater Beach. We are now opening Alaska. It is not as simple as the supply is good. There are tradeoffs.

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So you would rather run out then see an oil derrick off shore?

You would rather run out than get it from places that don't impact you?

I'd rather have oil.

I don't mind the oil derricks when I am at the beach. It actually provided interesting views. You can watch the ships that go to them, see their lights or when there are storms coming realize it because the lights can't be seen.

---

Anyone remember Deepwater Horizon?

The population of Grand Isle, Louisiana is about a thousand people.

The population of the Clearwater-Tampa-Saint Pete is 3.4 million, and any incident is going to see oil entering Tampa Bay through its inlets, not just washing up on the barrier islands.

I don't want to see oil rigs off Clearwater Beach any more than I want to live next to a nuclear reactor.

The real question is what do we do about complete reliance on an energy source, a significant portion of which is halfway around the world under hostile sands.

---

Deepwater Horizon impacted Clearwater Beach. The whole area, they found oil in the Keys.

If we have to destroy the world we live in to get oil, don't you think there is something fundamentally wrong with where we are? We are now opening Anwhar and other park areas, drilling the Gulf (DeSantis is dead set against it), fracking to the point of earthquakes and to go with the standard cancer clusters, drinking water contamination and wildlife destruction.

I agree with you that we are dependent and cold turkey is a non-starter. But, a systematic shift to other sources where we can do them is not unreasonable.

But, of course they do make for interesting land scapes at the beach there is that.

---

Of all available other sources, nuclear is the only feasible one at the moment.

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I agree, 100%. I do think Fusion is the future of the package plants. My son-in-law works in fusion.

I do think a combined approach is going to work best including wind, tidal and geothermal in certain areas. As well as oil, LNG, and coal. There is not a single answer, only an growing thirst for energy.

The problem I see is that because of the media era we live, highly complex issues and make them simple sound bites. So we end up with attempts at blanket approaches.

Call me a liberal, but I do agree with Teddy Roosevelt we need to protect and save the environment for future generations. Exploiting resources for short term benefit and destruction of irreplaceable assets is stupid and self-destructive.

But the money people won't stay here then, they will go to New Zealand...

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Is fusion still 15-20 years away?

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Always has been.

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Now you're talking about cold fusion.

Jack Bauer said:

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Trump: "We're putting on a complete blockade. We're not gonna let Iran make money on selling oil to people that they like and not people that they don't like. It's gonna be all or none, and that's the way it is. You saw what we did with Venezuela. It'll be something similar to… pic.twitter.com/NX6WB2upBx

— Aaron Rupar (@atrupar) April 12, 2026

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RAW!

"Effective immediately, the United States Navy, the Finest in the World, will begin the process of BLOCKADING any and all Ships trying to enter, or leave, the Strait of Hormuz." - President Donald J. Trump pic.twitter.com/JInBTLyu2s

— The White House (@WhiteHouse) April 12, 2026

Fetterman: Of course, gas prices are going to fluctuate right now. But country does hard things that it is hard to do and that are important things. pic.twitter.com/aC0vwPoupn

— Acyn (@Acyn) April 12, 2026

boognish_bear said:

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🚨 BREAKING

​Tens of thousands of people in Tokyo gathered in front of the parliament building, calling for the Prime Minister's resignation for supporting the US and Israel. pic.twitter.com/RIy8iBkrzW

— GBX (@GBX_Press) April 10, 2026

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Wow, tens of thousands.

Meanwhile, Japan's current population is shown as 122,598,175.

That's a blip, friends. See identical situation in the USA.

.@POTUS: "They haven't left the bargaining table. I predict they come back, and they give us everything we want—and I told my people, I want everything. I don't want 90%, I don't want 95%. I told them, I want everything. They have no cards." pic.twitter.com/LeGu9z6weO

— Rapid Response 47 (@RapidResponse47) April 12, 2026

"[In order to get the Japanese to surrender], we dropped two atomic bombs."

Mark Levin is continuing to urge Trump to use nuclear weapons against Iran—all while insisting he's not.

Levin opened his show tonight by urging Trump not to negotiate a "deal" w/ Iran but a… https://t.co/qTukhIFwSl pic.twitter.com/2sYX47t2E0

— Chris Menahan 🇺🇸 (@infolibnews) April 12, 2026

JUST IN: 🇺🇸🇨🇳 President Trump threatens 50% tariff on China if it sends weapons to Iran.

— Watcher.Guru (@WatcherGuru) April 12, 2026

WATCH: Iran releases footage showing IRGC Navy ordering US destroyers to turn away from Strait of Hormuz and issuing ‘last warning’ before threatening to open fire pic.twitter.com/1OGtIho6Ug

— Rapid Report (@RapidReport2025) April 12, 2026

boognish_bear said:

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"Effective immediately, the United States Navy, the Finest in the World, will begin the process of BLOCKADING any and all Ships trying to enter, or leave, the Strait of Hormuz." - President Donald J. Trump pic.twitter.com/JInBTLyu2s

— The White House (@WhiteHouse) April 12, 2026

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Viva il Donaldo!!!

- UF

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'Locked and loaded': Trump announces US Navy blockade of Strait of Hormuz, threatens Iran after failed talks
Story by AP

ISLAMABAD (AP) President Donald Trump on Sunday said the U.S. Navy would "immediately" begin a blockade to stop ships from entering or leaving the Strait of Hormuz, after U.S.-Iran peace talks in Pakistan ended without an agreement.

Trump sought to exert strategic control over the waterway responsible for the transportation of 20% of global oil supplies before the war, hoping to take away Iran's key source of economic leverage in the fighting.

The president added that he has "instructed our Navy to seek and interdict every vessel in International Waters that has paid a toll to Iran. No one who pays an illegal toll will have safe passage on the high seas."
Trump also said the U.S. was ready to "finish up" Iran at the "appropriate moment," stressing that Tehran's nuclear ambitions were at the core of the failure to end the war.

Face-to-face talks ended earlier Sunday after 21 hours, leaving a fragile two-week ceasefire in doubt.
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Coulter: I am not a pansy when it comes to war but his was an unprovoked attack. And we are killing little girls. We are associated with an ally that is just wiping the crap out of civilians. pic.twitter.com/kKXzpo6LIf

— Acyn (@Acyn) April 12, 2026

boognish_bear said:

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WATCH: Iran releases footage showing IRGC Navy ordering US destroyers to turn away from Strait of Hormuz and issuing ‘last warning’ before threatening to open fire pic.twitter.com/1OGtIho6Ug

— Rapid Report (@RapidReport2025) April 12, 2026

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Where's the real date and time info on this communication? Don't be fooled by the April 12th business.

However, if real, that iranian warship's service life is over.

Honestly, friends.

Coulter: The main people in favor of it are for one thing baby boomers or above. They watch way too much Fox News. We are all concentrating on a part of the world 6000 miles away when this country has a lot of problems right now. pic.twitter.com/btFDK6SwIW

— Acyn (@Acyn) April 12, 2026

The_barBEARian said:

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Israel is actively trying to destory Europe

Immediately after Israel threatens spain… suddenly thousands of africans are boat lifted by HIAS and other Jewish NGOs to Spain.

Do you get it yet? Left wing Judiasm is just a zionist weapon against white people. https://t.co/hIuvmmO257

— CatGirl Kulak 😻😿 (Anarchonomicon) (@FromKulak) April 11, 2026

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you told us Europe was already gone

boognish_bear said:

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Coulter: I am not a pansy when it comes to war but his was an unprovoked attack. And we are killing little girls. We are associated with an ally that is just wiping the crap out of civilians. pic.twitter.com/kKXzpo6LIf

— Acyn (@Acyn) April 12, 2026

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An elementary school on a military base and civilians with hezbollah emplacements in or next door.

The propaganda of the far leftists has been working on people who know better. What's in it for them? Clicks are more important.
This insanity du jour will kill any chance of this country getting anywhere back to common sense.

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cowboycwr said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Realitybites said:

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cowboycwr said:

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cowboycwr said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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D. C. Bear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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D. C. Bear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Realitybites said:

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The Price Jump Is Coming: Why You Need to Stock Up on Food & Consumer Goods This Week

"Here is what I need you to understand: this ceasefire does not change anything in the analysis below. The ceasefire may already be dead. But even if it somehow survives, the damage is done:

The diesel that is already at $5.62 a gallon is already on the trucks delivering your food. The fertilizer that wasn't shipped for 40 days isn't arriving this week. The planting decisions that farmers already made shifting away from crops that need nitrogen fertilizer aren't reversing. The 40-day threshold that the United Nations warned would trigger structural crop reductions was crossed yesterday. Oil at $95 is still 43% above pre-war levels. And the physical crude that refineries already purchased at $141 per barrel is already in the pipeline.

The ceasefire announcement will make people think the crisis is over. That is exactly when you should be buying while everyone else relaxes.

If the ceasefire holds, prices come down slowly over months, not days. If it collapses and Iran's Parliament Speaker just called it "unreasonable" prices snap back to $112+ overnight. Either way, the food price increases from the last 40 days of diesel and fertilizer disruption are locked in and arriving at your grocery store in the next two to four weeks.

Read the full analysis below. Then go shopping."

---

Just read an interesting article from economists at Moody's, that there is no going back to what we had price-wise on oil. Well, Trump gave Musk what he wanted higher priced gas making EVs popular again. Joe Biden and AOC will be happy.

---

I have heard similar analysis before, and it didn't end up that way. Is there a reason that I should expect this time is different?

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I must have missed that analysis. Remind me what happened the last time a regional war decimated Gulf oil production and closed the Strait of Hormuz?

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Oil was supposed to run out.
You don't remember this?

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When was oil supposed to run out?

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Which prediction do you want?

There have been many since oil first even started to be drilled.

There were some in the early 1900s that it would run out by the 1930s.

IN the 1940s there were more predictions.

1960s
1970s
early 2000s
2020
or even within the last year.

Of course each time the date is pushed back. Like right now the "prediction" seems to be on the 2050-2060s that we will not run out but will start producing less as demand drops and this is the only thing that will prevent us from running out completely for a little while longer.

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Yeah, but how are we getting it and where?

Fracking is causing geotechnical problems. We are now being told the Gulf is open. I don't want to see oil derricks off Clearwater Beach. We are now opening Alaska. It is not as simple as the supply is good. There are tradeoffs.

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So you would rather run out then see an oil derrick off shore?

You would rather run out than get it from places that don't impact you?

I'd rather have oil.

I don't mind the oil derricks when I am at the beach. It actually provided interesting views. You can watch the ships that go to them, see their lights or when there are storms coming realize it because the lights can't be seen.

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Anyone remember Deepwater Horizon?

The population of Grand Isle, Louisiana is about a thousand people.

The population of the Clearwater-Tampa-Saint Pete is 3.4 million, and any incident is going to see oil entering Tampa Bay through its inlets, not just washing up on the barrier islands.

I don't want to see oil rigs off Clearwater Beach any more than I want to live next to a nuclear reactor.

The real question is what do we do about complete reliance on an energy source, a significant portion of which is halfway around the world under hostile sands.

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Deepwater Horizon impacted Clearwater Beach. The whole area, they found oil in the Keys.

If we have to destroy the world we live in to get oil, don't you think there is something fundamentally wrong with where we are? We are now opening Anwhar and other park areas, drilling the Gulf (DeSantis is dead set against it), fracking to the point of earthquakes and to go with the standard cancer clusters, drinking water contamination and wildlife destruction.

I agree with you that we are dependent and cold turkey is a non-starter. But, a systematic shift to other sources where we can do them is not unreasonable.

But, of course they do make for interesting land scapes at the beach there is that.

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Deepwater Horizon was a horrible tragedy. But again it was one incident on one rig when there are thousands out there. All operating 365 days a year for years with no incidents. So basically a hundred thousand total days of incident free days.

So your argument is complaining about the .0001% of days.

Not really a solid argument.

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That is the point, the failures are catastrophic enough you don't do them... Using your logic we can have a failure a year and still be a very low percentage. Yet destroy millions of acres.

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No sorry. The failures are not that catastrophic. The oil gets cleaned up. The land and wildlife recover. The fishing and shrimping industry recover. Faster than after a natural disaster.

So we keep doing them until a cheaper and better alternative fuel is found.

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That is not true, 15 years later deep water coral, turtles, bait balls, toothed whales still have not recovered. 15 years. Keep the Big Oil propaganda. Rices whales are going extinct and now they want to drill in their mating areas. DeSantis is against drilling.


https://floridaphoenix.com/2025/11/21/desantis-trumps-oil-drilling-could-weaken-environment-military-training/


Disagree, there are areas in we need to preserve regardless of our oil addiction. it is BS to say it is just a clean up and everything recovers.

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Yes it is true. You even prove it in your post.

Sure there are a few things still impacted by it but for the most part it has been cleaned up and the ecosystem has recovered.

That does not mean we stop drilling because of one accident.

I can get not wanting to drill in certain fragile ecosystems.

But one or two accidents happen in decades apart is not a reason to stop drilling, not allow any future drilling, or give up oil without realistic replacements.

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No, the BS is using the argument that an accident means we must give up and starve.

Car accidents happen, doesn't mean we stop using cars.

Houses catch fire, doesn't mean we stop building houses.

Politicians lie and cheat, doesn't mean we stop voting.

Oil is the single greatest factor in modern world economy. No one since Carter has been dumb enough to say we should abandon it.

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Abandon oil? What are you talking about? No one said that, actually the complete opposite. We are discussing opening environmentally sensitive land to future drilling. No one said stop drilling, just sine areas the risk is too high and we should preserve something.

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Yes you basically did when you said you don't want to see oil wells in the gulf.

They are already there.

If you are saying you don't want to see them then you are saying no more oil.

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The Price Jump Is Coming: Why You Need to Stock Up on Food & Consumer Goods This Week

"Here is what I need you to understand: this ceasefire does not change anything in the analysis below. The ceasefire may already be dead. But even if it somehow survives, the damage is done:

The diesel that is already at $5.62 a gallon is already on the trucks delivering your food. The fertilizer that wasn't shipped for 40 days isn't arriving this week. The planting decisions that farmers already made shifting away from crops that need nitrogen fertilizer aren't reversing. The 40-day threshold that the United Nations warned would trigger structural crop reductions was crossed yesterday. Oil at $95 is still 43% above pre-war levels. And the physical crude that refineries already purchased at $141 per barrel is already in the pipeline.

The ceasefire announcement will make people think the crisis is over. That is exactly when you should be buying while everyone else relaxes.

If the ceasefire holds, prices come down slowly over months, not days. If it collapses and Iran's Parliament Speaker just called it "unreasonable" prices snap back to $112+ overnight. Either way, the food price increases from the last 40 days of diesel and fertilizer disruption are locked in and arriving at your grocery store in the next two to four weeks.

Read the full analysis below. Then go shopping."

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Just read an interesting article from economists at Moody's, that there is no going back to what we had price-wise on oil. Well, Trump gave Musk what he wanted higher priced gas making EVs popular again. Joe Biden and AOC will be happy.

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I have heard similar analysis before, and it didn't end up that way. Is there a reason that I should expect this time is different?

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I must have missed that analysis. Remind me what happened the last time a regional war decimated Gulf oil production and closed the Strait of Hormuz?

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Oil was supposed to run out.
You don't remember this?

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When was oil supposed to run out?

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Which prediction do you want?

There have been many since oil first even started to be drilled.

There were some in the early 1900s that it would run out by the 1930s.

IN the 1940s there were more predictions.

1960s
1970s
early 2000s
2020
or even within the last year.

Of course each time the date is pushed back. Like right now the "prediction" seems to be on the 2050-2060s that we will not run out but will start producing less as demand drops and this is the only thing that will prevent us from running out completely for a little while longer.

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Yeah, but how are we getting it and where?

Fracking is causing geotechnical problems. We are now being told the Gulf is open. I don't want to see oil derricks off Clearwater Beach. We are now opening Alaska. It is not as simple as the supply is good. There are tradeoffs.

---

So you would rather run out then see an oil derrick off shore?

You would rather run out than get it from places that don't impact you?

I'd rather have oil.

I don't mind the oil derricks when I am at the beach. It actually provided interesting views. You can watch the ships that go to them, see their lights or when there are storms coming realize it because the lights can't be seen.

---

Anyone remember Deepwater Horizon?

The population of Grand Isle, Louisiana is about a thousand people.

The population of the Clearwater-Tampa-Saint Pete is 3.4 million, and any incident is going to see oil entering Tampa Bay through its inlets, not just washing up on the barrier islands.

I don't want to see oil rigs off Clearwater Beach any more than I want to live next to a nuclear reactor.

The real question is what do we do about complete reliance on an energy source, a significant portion of which is halfway around the world under hostile sands.

---

Deepwater Horizon impacted Clearwater Beach. The whole area, they found oil in the Keys.

If we have to destroy the world we live in to get oil, don't you think there is something fundamentally wrong with where we are? We are now opening Anwhar and other park areas, drilling the Gulf (DeSantis is dead set against it), fracking to the point of earthquakes and to go with the standard cancer clusters, drinking water contamination and wildlife destruction.

I agree with you that we are dependent and cold turkey is a non-starter. But, a systematic shift to other sources where we can do them is not unreasonable.

But, of course they do make for interesting land scapes at the beach there is that.

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Deepwater Horizon was a horrible tragedy. But again it was one incident on one rig when there are thousands out there. All operating 365 days a year for years with no incidents. So basically a hundred thousand total days of incident free days.

So your argument is complaining about the .0001% of days.

Not really a solid argument.

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That is the point, the failures are catastrophic enough you don't do them... Using your logic we can have a failure a year and still be a very low percentage. Yet destroy millions of acres.

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No sorry. The failures are not that catastrophic. The oil gets cleaned up. The land and wildlife recover. The fishing and shrimping industry recover. Faster than after a natural disaster.

So we keep doing them until a cheaper and better alternative fuel is found.

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No natural disaster did what the oil spill did. Yes, catastrophic. Why defend oil spills with zeal?

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No one is defending oil spills. Just oil since we have no realistic alternative and I don't want to return to the 1700s.

The few accidents that happen do not mean we should give up oil.

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No, the BS is using the argument that an accident means we must give up and starve.

Car accidents happen, doesn't mean we stop using cars.

Houses catch fire, doesn't mean we stop building houses.

Politicians lie and cheat, doesn't mean we stop voting.

Oil is the single greatest factor in modern world economy. No one since Carter has been dumb enough to say we should abandon it.

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Abandon oil? What are you talking about? No one said that, actually the complete opposite. We are discussing opening environmentally sensitive land to future drilling. No one said stop drilling, just sine areas the risk is too high and we should preserve something.

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Oh please, your last post on this thread was so estrogen-drenched I thought Greenpeace was doing your posts for you.

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I hope you were drinking but i doubt it. You probably do belief real men are good with oil spills and oil covered birds and dead fish. I guess costing areas billions in tourism, fishing and shellfish is an Alpha position? Some fishing fleets never came back.

Oysters and beer not manly enough? Maybe you can go beat up some drunks or better yet gays. Kick a dog or two get that testosterone pumping. Real Alpha stuff, right. GOP stuff right?

DeSantis isnt going to allow it anyway. Drilling off Florida is DOA.

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No one is "ok"with oil spills.

We just don't think the few accidents that happen enough to stop drilling all together.

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