historian said:

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Realitybites said:

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cowboycwr said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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cowboycwr said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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D. C. Bear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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D. C. Bear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Realitybites said:

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The Price Jump Is Coming: Why You Need to Stock Up on Food & Consumer Goods This Week

"Here is what I need you to understand: this ceasefire does not change anything in the analysis below. The ceasefire may already be dead. But even if it somehow survives, the damage is done:

The diesel that is already at $5.62 a gallon is already on the trucks delivering your food. The fertilizer that wasn't shipped for 40 days isn't arriving this week. The planting decisions that farmers already made shifting away from crops that need nitrogen fertilizer aren't reversing. The 40-day threshold that the United Nations warned would trigger structural crop reductions was crossed yesterday. Oil at $95 is still 43% above pre-war levels. And the physical crude that refineries already purchased at $141 per barrel is already in the pipeline.

The ceasefire announcement will make people think the crisis is over. That is exactly when you should be buying while everyone else relaxes.

If the ceasefire holds, prices come down slowly over months, not days. If it collapses and Iran's Parliament Speaker just called it "unreasonable" prices snap back to $112+ overnight. Either way, the food price increases from the last 40 days of diesel and fertilizer disruption are locked in and arriving at your grocery store in the next two to four weeks.

Read the full analysis below. Then go shopping."

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Just read an interesting article from economists at Moody's, that there is no going back to what we had price-wise on oil. Well, Trump gave Musk what he wanted higher priced gas making EVs popular again. Joe Biden and AOC will be happy.

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I have heard similar analysis before, and it didn't end up that way. Is there a reason that I should expect this time is different?

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I must have missed that analysis. Remind me what happened the last time a regional war decimated Gulf oil production and closed the Strait of Hormuz?

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Oil was supposed to run out.
You don't remember this?

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When was oil supposed to run out?

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Which prediction do you want?

There have been many since oil first even started to be drilled.

There were some in the early 1900s that it would run out by the 1930s.

IN the 1940s there were more predictions.

1960s
1970s
early 2000s
2020
or even within the last year.

Of course each time the date is pushed back. Like right now the "prediction" seems to be on the 2050-2060s that we will not run out but will start producing less as demand drops and this is the only thing that will prevent us from running out completely for a little while longer.

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Yeah, but how are we getting it and where?

Fracking is causing geotechnical problems. We are now being told the Gulf is open. I don't want to see oil derricks off Clearwater Beach. We are now opening Alaska. It is not as simple as the supply is good. There are tradeoffs.

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So you would rather run out then see an oil derrick off shore?

You would rather run out than get it from places that don't impact you?

I'd rather have oil.

I don't mind the oil derricks when I am at the beach. It actually provided interesting views. You can watch the ships that go to them, see their lights or when there are storms coming realize it because the lights can't be seen.

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Anyone remember Deepwater Horizon?

The population of Grand Isle, Louisiana is about a thousand people.

The population of the Clearwater-Tampa-Saint Pete is 3.4 million, and any incident is going to see oil entering Tampa Bay through its inlets, not just washing up on the barrier islands.

I don't want to see oil rigs off Clearwater Beach any more than I want to live next to a nuclear reactor.

The real question is what do we do about complete reliance on an energy source, a significant portion of which is halfway around the world under hostile sands.

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The U.S. produced more oil than anyone else today and we get almost none from the Middle East.

"Drill, baby, drill!"

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historian said:

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Realitybites said:

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cowboycwr said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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cowboycwr said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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D. C. Bear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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D. C. Bear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Realitybites said:

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The Price Jump Is Coming: Why You Need to Stock Up on Food & Consumer Goods This Week

"Here is what I need you to understand: this ceasefire does not change anything in the analysis below. The ceasefire may already be dead. But even if it somehow survives, the damage is done:

The diesel that is already at $5.62 a gallon is already on the trucks delivering your food. The fertilizer that wasn't shipped for 40 days isn't arriving this week. The planting decisions that farmers already made shifting away from crops that need nitrogen fertilizer aren't reversing. The 40-day threshold that the United Nations warned would trigger structural crop reductions was crossed yesterday. Oil at $95 is still 43% above pre-war levels. And the physical crude that refineries already purchased at $141 per barrel is already in the pipeline.

The ceasefire announcement will make people think the crisis is over. That is exactly when you should be buying while everyone else relaxes.

If the ceasefire holds, prices come down slowly over months, not days. If it collapses and Iran's Parliament Speaker just called it "unreasonable" prices snap back to $112+ overnight. Either way, the food price increases from the last 40 days of diesel and fertilizer disruption are locked in and arriving at your grocery store in the next two to four weeks.

Read the full analysis below. Then go shopping."

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Just read an interesting article from economists at Moody's, that there is no going back to what we had price-wise on oil. Well, Trump gave Musk what he wanted higher priced gas making EVs popular again. Joe Biden and AOC will be happy.

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I have heard similar analysis before, and it didn't end up that way. Is there a reason that I should expect this time is different?

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I must have missed that analysis. Remind me what happened the last time a regional war decimated Gulf oil production and closed the Strait of Hormuz?

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Oil was supposed to run out.
You don't remember this?

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When was oil supposed to run out?

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Which prediction do you want?

There have been many since oil first even started to be drilled.

There were some in the early 1900s that it would run out by the 1930s.

IN the 1940s there were more predictions.

1960s
1970s
early 2000s
2020
or even within the last year.

Of course each time the date is pushed back. Like right now the "prediction" seems to be on the 2050-2060s that we will not run out but will start producing less as demand drops and this is the only thing that will prevent us from running out completely for a little while longer.

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Yeah, but how are we getting it and where?

Fracking is causing geotechnical problems. We are now being told the Gulf is open. I don't want to see oil derricks off Clearwater Beach. We are now opening Alaska. It is not as simple as the supply is good. There are tradeoffs.

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So you would rather run out then see an oil derrick off shore?

You would rather run out than get it from places that don't impact you?

I'd rather have oil.

I don't mind the oil derricks when I am at the beach. It actually provided interesting views. You can watch the ships that go to them, see their lights or when there are storms coming realize it because the lights can't be seen.

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Anyone remember Deepwater Horizon?

The population of Grand Isle, Louisiana is about a thousand people.

The population of the Clearwater-Tampa-Saint Pete is 3.4 million, and any incident is going to see oil entering Tampa Bay through its inlets, not just washing up on the barrier islands.

I don't want to see oil rigs off Clearwater Beach any more than I want to live next to a nuclear reactor.

The real question is what do we do about complete reliance on an energy source, a significant portion of which is halfway around the world under hostile sands.

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The U.S. produced more oil than anyone else today and we get almost none from the Middle East.

"Drill, baby, drill!"

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FLBear5630 said:

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cowboycwr said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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cowboycwr said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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cowboycwr said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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No, the BS is using the argument that an accident means we must give up and starve.

Car accidents happen, doesn't mean we stop using cars.

Houses catch fire, doesn't mean we stop building houses.

Politicians lie and cheat, doesn't mean we stop voting.

Oil is the single greatest factor in modern world economy. No one since Carter has been dumb enough to say we should abandon it.

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Abandon oil? What are you talking about? No one said that, actually the complete opposite. We are discussing opening environmentally sensitive land to future drilling. No one said stop drilling, just sine areas the risk is too high and we should preserve something.

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Oh please, your last post on this thread was so estrogen-drenched I thought Greenpeace was doing your posts for you.

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I hope you were drinking but i doubt it. You probably do belief real men are good with oil spills and oil covered birds and dead fish. I guess costing areas billions in tourism, fishing and shellfish is an Alpha position? Some fishing fleets never came back.

Oysters and beer not manly enough? Maybe you can go beat up some drunks or better yet gays. Kick a dog or two get that testosterone pumping. Real Alpha stuff, right. GOP stuff right?

DeSantis isnt going to allow it anyway. Drilling off Florida is DOA.

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No one is "ok"with oil spills.

We just don't think the few accidents that happen enough to stop drilling all together.

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Who said stop drilling all together? Just not tin preserved areas they are preserved for a reason.

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You sure implied it days ago with this whole "I don't want to see oil rigs off the beach" and when I asked point blank about running out of oil instead of drilling your reply was again you were ok with that but not with oil rigs off the beach.

You also replied with "the failures are catastrophic enough you don't do them." Those are your exact words.

Saying you don't do them is saying you don't drill.

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They are not allowed to drill off the coast of Florida and party of CA now. Trump is trying to change rule. DeSantis and Newsome are fighting Trump together on this. No one said to restrict it, just dont add more to restricted areas.


https://earthjustice.org/press/2025/trump-proposes-massive-expansion-of-offshore-drilling-in-public-waters-targets-protected-public-waters-off-california-eastern-gulf-near-florida-all-of-alaska

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Again yes you did.

Unless I am misunderstanding your EXACT words of "Don't do them."

What did you mean by don't do them if you meant something other than Don't do them????

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We already have areas that are open to drilling, there is no putting the Genie back in the bottle. Drill away.

We also have areas that have been set aside from drilling for a variety of reasons, let them be.

Expanding Gulf and CA coastal drilling is a non-starter by those that will have to live with them. So don't do it. Optimal word - Expand. Seems pretty straight forward.

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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So apparently Trump is now picking a fight with the Pope. That President of ours is a class act I tell ya! He just keeps finding new and creative ways to make us proud.

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I personally don't know if that would be a wise thing to do

But are we supposed to believe the Pope (a guy from Chicago who is now the monarchal potentate of a city state overseas) is somehow beyond the pale to criticize or beef with?

I mean if you are a devout Catholic then maybe I can see you being offended by your religious leader being treated with anything less than extreme deference.

But are Americans supposed to be particularly scandalized that their elected American President is beefing with a foreign monarch?

PS

Before the 20th century and large scale Catholic immigration changed the American electorate and the need to ally with the Papacy against communism in Europe…you won't find many American WASP Presidents saying very positive things about "Papism" and the man in Rome leading the religion.

[Roosevelt famously referred to a failed 1910 meeting with Pope Pius X as "An elegant row"….Roosevelt refused to comply with the Pope's demand that he not visit Methodist missionaries in Rome while in the city.]

Not a small number of DC elites and Republican-northern politicians though the Pope at the time has been involved in the assassination of Lincoln.

Anti-Catholic campaign year red meat used to be an American staple…and something many candidates felt compelled to play along with to one degree or another

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Do you remember the Dick VanDyke show? In the opening (the early episodes), Dick walks into the room and trips over the ottoman. They cut a second opening at some point where Dick sidesteps the ottoman.

Trump has not learned how to sidestep ottomans. This president continues to get into skirmishes that ride way below the office he holds.

This is also why Trump will never get into Heaven. If Trump were allowed into Heaven, he'd cause division and create chaos. He'd try to replace God. God don't need that *****

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cowboycwr said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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cowboycwr said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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cowboycwr said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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cowboycwr said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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No, the BS is using the argument that an accident means we must give up and starve.

Car accidents happen, doesn't mean we stop using cars.

Houses catch fire, doesn't mean we stop building houses.

Politicians lie and cheat, doesn't mean we stop voting.

Oil is the single greatest factor in modern world economy. No one since Carter has been dumb enough to say we should abandon it.

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Abandon oil? What are you talking about? No one said that, actually the complete opposite. We are discussing opening environmentally sensitive land to future drilling. No one said stop drilling, just sine areas the risk is too high and we should preserve something.

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Oh please, your last post on this thread was so estrogen-drenched I thought Greenpeace was doing your posts for you.

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I hope you were drinking but i doubt it. You probably do belief real men are good with oil spills and oil covered birds and dead fish. I guess costing areas billions in tourism, fishing and shellfish is an Alpha position? Some fishing fleets never came back.

Oysters and beer not manly enough? Maybe you can go beat up some drunks or better yet gays. Kick a dog or two get that testosterone pumping. Real Alpha stuff, right. GOP stuff right?

DeSantis isnt going to allow it anyway. Drilling off Florida is DOA.

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No one is "ok"with oil spills.

We just don't think the few accidents that happen enough to stop drilling all together.

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Who said stop drilling all together? Just not tin preserved areas they are preserved for a reason.

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You sure implied it days ago with this whole "I don't want to see oil rigs off the beach" and when I asked point blank about running out of oil instead of drilling your reply was again you were ok with that but not with oil rigs off the beach.

You also replied with "the failures are catastrophic enough you don't do them." Those are your exact words.

Saying you don't do them is saying you don't drill.

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They are not allowed to drill off the coast of Florida and party of CA now. Trump is trying to change rule. DeSantis and Newsome are fighting Trump together on this. No one said to restrict it, just dont add more to restricted areas.


https://earthjustice.org/press/2025/trump-proposes-massive-expansion-of-offshore-drilling-in-public-waters-targets-protected-public-waters-off-california-eastern-gulf-near-florida-all-of-alaska

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Again yes you did.

Unless I am misunderstanding your EXACT words of "Don't do them."

What did you mean by don't do them if you meant something other than Don't do them????

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We already have areas that are open to drilling, there is no putting the Genie back in the bottle. Drill away.

We also have areas that have been set aside from drilling for a variety of reasons, let them be.

Expanding Gulf and CA coastal drilling is a non-starter by those that will have to live with them. So don't do it. Optimal word - Expand. Seems pretty straight forward.

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Except you have added the word expand AFTER being called out for wanting to end drilling.

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FLBear5630 said:

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cowboycwr said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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cowboycwr said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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cowboycwr said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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No, the BS is using the argument that an accident means we must give up and starve.

Car accidents happen, doesn't mean we stop using cars.

Houses catch fire, doesn't mean we stop building houses.

Politicians lie and cheat, doesn't mean we stop voting.

Oil is the single greatest factor in modern world economy. No one since Carter has been dumb enough to say we should abandon it.

---

Abandon oil? What are you talking about? No one said that, actually the complete opposite. We are discussing opening environmentally sensitive land to future drilling. No one said stop drilling, just sine areas the risk is too high and we should preserve something.

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Oh please, your last post on this thread was so estrogen-drenched I thought Greenpeace was doing your posts for you.

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I hope you were drinking but i doubt it. You probably do belief real men are good with oil spills and oil covered birds and dead fish. I guess costing areas billions in tourism, fishing and shellfish is an Alpha position? Some fishing fleets never came back.

Oysters and beer not manly enough? Maybe you can go beat up some drunks or better yet gays. Kick a dog or two get that testosterone pumping. Real Alpha stuff, right. GOP stuff right?

DeSantis isnt going to allow it anyway. Drilling off Florida is DOA.

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No one is "ok"with oil spills.

We just don't think the few accidents that happen enough to stop drilling all together.

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Who said stop drilling all together? Just not tin preserved areas they are preserved for a reason.

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You sure implied it days ago with this whole "I don't want to see oil rigs off the beach" and when I asked point blank about running out of oil instead of drilling your reply was again you were ok with that but not with oil rigs off the beach.

You also replied with "the failures are catastrophic enough you don't do them." Those are your exact words.

Saying you don't do them is saying you don't drill.

---

They are not allowed to drill off the coast of Florida and party of CA now. Trump is trying to change rule. DeSantis and Newsome are fighting Trump together on this. No one said to restrict it, just dont add more to restricted areas.


https://earthjustice.org/press/2025/trump-proposes-massive-expansion-of-offshore-drilling-in-public-waters-targets-protected-public-waters-off-california-eastern-gulf-near-florida-all-of-alaska

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Again yes you did.

Unless I am misunderstanding your EXACT words of "Don't do them."

What did you mean by don't do them if you meant something other than Don't do them????

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We already have areas that are open to drilling, there is no putting the Genie back in the bottle. Drill away.

We also have areas that have been set aside from drilling for a variety of reasons, let them be.

Expanding Gulf and CA coastal drilling is a non-starter by those that will have to live with them. So don't do it. Optimal word - Expand. Seems pretty straight forward.

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FLBear5630 said:

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cowboycwr said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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cowboycwr said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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cowboycwr said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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cowboycwr said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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No, the BS is using the argument that an accident means we must give up and starve.

Car accidents happen, doesn't mean we stop using cars.

Houses catch fire, doesn't mean we stop building houses.

Politicians lie and cheat, doesn't mean we stop voting.

Oil is the single greatest factor in modern world economy. No one since Carter has been dumb enough to say we should abandon it.

---

Abandon oil? What are you talking about? No one said that, actually the complete opposite. We are discussing opening environmentally sensitive land to future drilling. No one said stop drilling, just sine areas the risk is too high and we should preserve something.

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Oh please, your last post on this thread was so estrogen-drenched I thought Greenpeace was doing your posts for you.

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I hope you were drinking but i doubt it. You probably do belief real men are good with oil spills and oil covered birds and dead fish. I guess costing areas billions in tourism, fishing and shellfish is an Alpha position? Some fishing fleets never came back.

Oysters and beer not manly enough? Maybe you can go beat up some drunks or better yet gays. Kick a dog or two get that testosterone pumping. Real Alpha stuff, right. GOP stuff right?

DeSantis isnt going to allow it anyway. Drilling off Florida is DOA.

---

No one is "ok"with oil spills.

We just don't think the few accidents that happen enough to stop drilling all together.

---

Who said stop drilling all together? Just not tin preserved areas they are preserved for a reason.

---

You sure implied it days ago with this whole "I don't want to see oil rigs off the beach" and when I asked point blank about running out of oil instead of drilling your reply was again you were ok with that but not with oil rigs off the beach.

You also replied with "the failures are catastrophic enough you don't do them." Those are your exact words.

Saying you don't do them is saying you don't drill.

---

They are not allowed to drill off the coast of Florida and party of CA now. Trump is trying to change rule. DeSantis and Newsome are fighting Trump together on this. No one said to restrict it, just dont add more to restricted areas.


https://earthjustice.org/press/2025/trump-proposes-massive-expansion-of-offshore-drilling-in-public-waters-targets-protected-public-waters-off-california-eastern-gulf-near-florida-all-of-alaska

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Again yes you did.

Unless I am misunderstanding your EXACT words of "Don't do them."

What did you mean by don't do them if you meant something other than Don't do them????

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We already have areas that are open to drilling, there is no putting the Genie back in the bottle. Drill away.

We also have areas that have been set aside from drilling for a variety of reasons, let them be.

Expanding Gulf and CA coastal drilling is a non-starter by those that will have to live with them. So don't do it. Optimal word - Expand. Seems pretty straight forward.

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Except you have added the word expand AFTER being called out for wanting to end drilling.

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Sorry, went back through whole string, never said end drilling. Said don't open the Gulf, Anwar and the Coast of CA to it.

This is what we are talking about, the Eastern Zone of the Gulf. From FL's perspective that is what we are fighting. CA has a map of their areas and AK has one as well (but I think it is the whole State). No one said anything about the existing areas.

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FLBear5630 said:

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cowboycwr said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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cowboycwr said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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cowboycwr said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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cowboycwr said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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No, the BS is using the argument that an accident means we must give up and starve.

Car accidents happen, doesn't mean we stop using cars.

Houses catch fire, doesn't mean we stop building houses.

Politicians lie and cheat, doesn't mean we stop voting.

Oil is the single greatest factor in modern world economy. No one since Carter has been dumb enough to say we should abandon it.

---

Abandon oil? What are you talking about? No one said that, actually the complete opposite. We are discussing opening environmentally sensitive land to future drilling. No one said stop drilling, just sine areas the risk is too high and we should preserve something.

---

Oh please, your last post on this thread was so estrogen-drenched I thought Greenpeace was doing your posts for you.

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I hope you were drinking but i doubt it. You probably do belief real men are good with oil spills and oil covered birds and dead fish. I guess costing areas billions in tourism, fishing and shellfish is an Alpha position? Some fishing fleets never came back.

Oysters and beer not manly enough? Maybe you can go beat up some drunks or better yet gays. Kick a dog or two get that testosterone pumping. Real Alpha stuff, right. GOP stuff right?

DeSantis isnt going to allow it anyway. Drilling off Florida is DOA.

---

No one is "ok"with oil spills.

We just don't think the few accidents that happen enough to stop drilling all together.

---

Who said stop drilling all together? Just not tin preserved areas they are preserved for a reason.

---

You sure implied it days ago with this whole "I don't want to see oil rigs off the beach" and when I asked point blank about running out of oil instead of drilling your reply was again you were ok with that but not with oil rigs off the beach.

You also replied with "the failures are catastrophic enough you don't do them." Those are your exact words.

Saying you don't do them is saying you don't drill.

---

They are not allowed to drill off the coast of Florida and party of CA now. Trump is trying to change rule. DeSantis and Newsome are fighting Trump together on this. No one said to restrict it, just dont add more to restricted areas.


https://earthjustice.org/press/2025/trump-proposes-massive-expansion-of-offshore-drilling-in-public-waters-targets-protected-public-waters-off-california-eastern-gulf-near-florida-all-of-alaska

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Again yes you did.

Unless I am misunderstanding your EXACT words of "Don't do them."

What did you mean by don't do them if you meant something other than Don't do them????

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We already have areas that are open to drilling, there is no putting the Genie back in the bottle. Drill away.

We also have areas that have been set aside from drilling for a variety of reasons, let them be.

Expanding Gulf and CA coastal drilling is a non-starter by those that will have to live with them. So don't do it. Optimal word - Expand. Seems pretty straight forward.

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Except you have added the word expand AFTER being called out for wanting to end drilling.

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Sorry, went back through whole string, never said end drilling. Said don't open the Gulf, Anwar and the Coast of CA to it.

This is what we are talking about, the Eastern Zone of the Gulf. From FL's perspective that is what we are fighting. CA has a map of their areas and AK has one as well (but I think it is the whole State). No one said anything about the existing areas.

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canoso said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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cowboycwr said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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cowboycwr said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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cowboycwr said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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cowboycwr said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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No, the BS is using the argument that an accident means we must give up and starve.

Car accidents happen, doesn't mean we stop using cars.

Houses catch fire, doesn't mean we stop building houses.

Politicians lie and cheat, doesn't mean we stop voting.

Oil is the single greatest factor in modern world economy. No one since Carter has been dumb enough to say we should abandon it.

---

Abandon oil? What are you talking about? No one said that, actually the complete opposite. We are discussing opening environmentally sensitive land to future drilling. No one said stop drilling, just sine areas the risk is too high and we should preserve something.

---

Oh please, your last post on this thread was so estrogen-drenched I thought Greenpeace was doing your posts for you.

---

I hope you were drinking but i doubt it. You probably do belief real men are good with oil spills and oil covered birds and dead fish. I guess costing areas billions in tourism, fishing and shellfish is an Alpha position? Some fishing fleets never came back.

Oysters and beer not manly enough? Maybe you can go beat up some drunks or better yet gays. Kick a dog or two get that testosterone pumping. Real Alpha stuff, right. GOP stuff right?

DeSantis isnt going to allow it anyway. Drilling off Florida is DOA.

---

No one is "ok"with oil spills.

We just don't think the few accidents that happen enough to stop drilling all together.

---

Who said stop drilling all together? Just not tin preserved areas they are preserved for a reason.

---

You sure implied it days ago with this whole "I don't want to see oil rigs off the beach" and when I asked point blank about running out of oil instead of drilling your reply was again you were ok with that but not with oil rigs off the beach.

You also replied with "the failures are catastrophic enough you don't do them." Those are your exact words.

Saying you don't do them is saying you don't drill.

---

They are not allowed to drill off the coast of Florida and party of CA now. Trump is trying to change rule. DeSantis and Newsome are fighting Trump together on this. No one said to restrict it, just dont add more to restricted areas.


https://earthjustice.org/press/2025/trump-proposes-massive-expansion-of-offshore-drilling-in-public-waters-targets-protected-public-waters-off-california-eastern-gulf-near-florida-all-of-alaska

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Again yes you did.

Unless I am misunderstanding your EXACT words of "Don't do them."

What did you mean by don't do them if you meant something other than Don't do them????

---

We already have areas that are open to drilling, there is no putting the Genie back in the bottle. Drill away.

We also have areas that have been set aside from drilling for a variety of reasons, let them be.

Expanding Gulf and CA coastal drilling is a non-starter by those that will have to live with them. So don't do it. Optimal word - Expand. Seems pretty straight forward.

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Except you have added the word expand AFTER being called out for wanting to end drilling.

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Sorry, went back through whole string, never said end drilling. Said don't open the Gulf, Anwar and the Coast of CA to it.

This is what we are talking about, the Eastern Zone of the Gulf. From FL's perspective that is what we are fighting. CA has a map of their areas and AK has one as well (but I think it is the whole State). No one said anything about the existing areas.

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So say something about the existing areas. Such as whether you think they should continue to exist or cease to exist. Oh, and speak the truth every chance you get.

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Sam Lowry said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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So apparently Trump is now picking a fight with the Pope. That President of ours is a class act I tell ya! He just keeps finding new and creative ways to make us proud.

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I personally don't know if that would be a wise thing to do

But are we supposed to believe the Pope (a guy from Chicago who is now the monarchal potentate of a city state overseas) is somehow beyond the pale to criticize or beef with?

I mean if you are a devout Catholic then maybe I can see you being offended by your religious leader being treated with anything less than extreme deference.

But are Americans supposed to be particularly scandalized that their elected American President is beefing with a foreign monarch?

PS

Before the 20th century and large scale Catholic immigration changed the American electorate and the need to ally with the Papacy against communism in Europe…you won't find many American WASP Presidents saying very positive things about "Papism" and the man in Rome leading the religion.

[Roosevelt famously referred to a failed 1910 meeting with Pope Pius X as "An elegant row"….Roosevelt refused to comply with the Pope's demand that he not visit Methodist missionaries in Rome while in the city.]

Not a small number of DC elites and Republican-northern politicians though the Pope at the time has been involved in the assassination of Lincoln.

Anti-Catholic campaign year red meat used to be an American staple…and something many candidates felt compelled to play along with to one degree or another

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Do you remember the Dick VanDyke show? In the opening (the early episodes), Dick walks into the room and trips over the ottoman. They cut a second opening at some point where Dick sidesteps the ottoman.

Trump has not learned how to sidestep ottomans. This president continues to get into skirmishes that ride way below the office he holds.

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All I know is, I never thought I'd see a day when the right-wing leader of a lawless rogue state effectively declared war on the world and threatened the pope for good measure. I mean when in human history has that ever happened?

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FLBear5630 said:

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canoso said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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cowboycwr said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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cowboycwr said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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cowboycwr said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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cowboycwr said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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No, the BS is using the argument that an accident means we must give up and starve.

Car accidents happen, doesn't mean we stop using cars.

Houses catch fire, doesn't mean we stop building houses.

Politicians lie and cheat, doesn't mean we stop voting.

Oil is the single greatest factor in modern world economy. No one since Carter has been dumb enough to say we should abandon it.

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Abandon oil? What are you talking about? No one said that, actually the complete opposite. We are discussing opening environmentally sensitive land to future drilling. No one said stop drilling, just sine areas the risk is too high and we should preserve something.

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Oh please, your last post on this thread was so estrogen-drenched I thought Greenpeace was doing your posts for you.

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I hope you were drinking but i doubt it. You probably do belief real men are good with oil spills and oil covered birds and dead fish. I guess costing areas billions in tourism, fishing and shellfish is an Alpha position? Some fishing fleets never came back.

Oysters and beer not manly enough? Maybe you can go beat up some drunks or better yet gays. Kick a dog or two get that testosterone pumping. Real Alpha stuff, right. GOP stuff right?

DeSantis isnt going to allow it anyway. Drilling off Florida is DOA.

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No one is "ok"with oil spills.

We just don't think the few accidents that happen enough to stop drilling all together.

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Who said stop drilling all together? Just not tin preserved areas they are preserved for a reason.

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You sure implied it days ago with this whole "I don't want to see oil rigs off the beach" and when I asked point blank about running out of oil instead of drilling your reply was again you were ok with that but not with oil rigs off the beach.

You also replied with "the failures are catastrophic enough you don't do them." Those are your exact words.

Saying you don't do them is saying you don't drill.

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They are not allowed to drill off the coast of Florida and party of CA now. Trump is trying to change rule. DeSantis and Newsome are fighting Trump together on this. No one said to restrict it, just dont add more to restricted areas.


https://earthjustice.org/press/2025/trump-proposes-massive-expansion-of-offshore-drilling-in-public-waters-targets-protected-public-waters-off-california-eastern-gulf-near-florida-all-of-alaska

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Again yes you did.

Unless I am misunderstanding your EXACT words of "Don't do them."

What did you mean by don't do them if you meant something other than Don't do them????

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We already have areas that are open to drilling, there is no putting the Genie back in the bottle. Drill away.

We also have areas that have been set aside from drilling for a variety of reasons, let them be.

Expanding Gulf and CA coastal drilling is a non-starter by those that will have to live with them. So don't do it. Optimal word - Expand. Seems pretty straight forward.

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Except you have added the word expand AFTER being called out for wanting to end drilling.

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Sorry, went back through whole string, never said end drilling. Said don't open the Gulf, Anwar and the Coast of CA to it.

This is what we are talking about, the Eastern Zone of the Gulf. From FL's perspective that is what we are fighting. CA has a map of their areas and AK has one as well (but I think it is the whole State). No one said anything about the existing areas.

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So say something about the existing areas. Such as whether you think they should continue to exist or cease to exist. Oh, and speak the truth every chance you get.

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If you read, I do know it challenges you, I have said from the beginning that we need a combination, including LNG and Oil. I have also said that the existing areas are already being drilled, so leave them be. (Genie out of the bottle analogy, get it...) There are areas we have protected for a reason, let them be. For your response, I have said nothing radical or even contentious. Just don't open new areas to drilling.

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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So apparently Trump is now picking a fight with the Pope. That President of ours is a class act I tell ya! He just keeps finding new and creative ways to make us proud.

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I personally don't know if that would be a wise thing to do

But are we supposed to believe the Pope (a guy from Chicago who is now the monarchal potentate of a city state overseas) is somehow beyond the pale to criticize or beef with?

I mean if you are a devout Catholic then maybe I can see you being offended by your religious leader being treated with anything less than extreme deference.

But are Americans supposed to be particularly scandalized that their elected American President is beefing with a foreign monarch?

PS

Before the 20th century and large scale Catholic immigration changed the American electorate and the need to ally with the Papacy against communism in Europe…you won't find many American WASP Presidents saying very positive things about "Papism" and the man in Rome leading the religion.

[Roosevelt famously referred to a failed 1910 meeting with Pope Pius X as "An elegant row"….Roosevelt refused to comply with the Pope's demand that he not visit Methodist missionaries in Rome while in the city.]

Not a small number of DC elites and Republican-northern politicians though the Pope at the time has been involved in the assassination of Lincoln.

Anti-Catholic campaign year red meat used to be an American staple…and something many candidates felt compelled to play along with to one degree or another

---

Do you remember the Dick VanDyke show? In the opening (the early episodes), Dick walks into the room and trips over the ottoman. They cut a second opening at some point where Dick sidesteps the ottoman.

Trump has not learned how to sidestep ottomans. This president continues to get into skirmishes that ride way below the office he holds.

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FLBear5630 said:

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canoso said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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cowboycwr said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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cowboycwr said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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cowboycwr said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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cowboycwr said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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No, the BS is using the argument that an accident means we must give up and starve.

Car accidents happen, doesn't mean we stop using cars.

Houses catch fire, doesn't mean we stop building houses.

Politicians lie and cheat, doesn't mean we stop voting.

Oil is the single greatest factor in modern world economy. No one since Carter has been dumb enough to say we should abandon it.

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Abandon oil? What are you talking about? No one said that, actually the complete opposite. We are discussing opening environmentally sensitive land to future drilling. No one said stop drilling, just sine areas the risk is too high and we should preserve something.

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Oh please, your last post on this thread was so estrogen-drenched I thought Greenpeace was doing your posts for you.

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I hope you were drinking but i doubt it. You probably do belief real men are good with oil spills and oil covered birds and dead fish. I guess costing areas billions in tourism, fishing and shellfish is an Alpha position? Some fishing fleets never came back.

Oysters and beer not manly enough? Maybe you can go beat up some drunks or better yet gays. Kick a dog or two get that testosterone pumping. Real Alpha stuff, right. GOP stuff right?

DeSantis isnt going to allow it anyway. Drilling off Florida is DOA.

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No one is "ok"with oil spills.

We just don't think the few accidents that happen enough to stop drilling all together.

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Who said stop drilling all together? Just not tin preserved areas they are preserved for a reason.

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You sure implied it days ago with this whole "I don't want to see oil rigs off the beach" and when I asked point blank about running out of oil instead of drilling your reply was again you were ok with that but not with oil rigs off the beach.

You also replied with "the failures are catastrophic enough you don't do them." Those are your exact words.

Saying you don't do them is saying you don't drill.

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They are not allowed to drill off the coast of Florida and party of CA now. Trump is trying to change rule. DeSantis and Newsome are fighting Trump together on this. No one said to restrict it, just dont add more to restricted areas.


https://earthjustice.org/press/2025/trump-proposes-massive-expansion-of-offshore-drilling-in-public-waters-targets-protected-public-waters-off-california-eastern-gulf-near-florida-all-of-alaska

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Again yes you did.

Unless I am misunderstanding your EXACT words of "Don't do them."

What did you mean by don't do them if you meant something other than Don't do them????

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We already have areas that are open to drilling, there is no putting the Genie back in the bottle. Drill away.

We also have areas that have been set aside from drilling for a variety of reasons, let them be.

Expanding Gulf and CA coastal drilling is a non-starter by those that will have to live with them. So don't do it. Optimal word - Expand. Seems pretty straight forward.

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Except you have added the word expand AFTER being called out for wanting to end drilling.

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Sorry, went back through whole string, never said end drilling. Said don't open the Gulf, Anwar and the Coast of CA to it.

This is what we are talking about, the Eastern Zone of the Gulf. From FL's perspective that is what we are fighting. CA has a map of their areas and AK has one as well (but I think it is the whole State). No one said anything about the existing areas.

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So say something about the existing areas. Such as whether you think they should continue to exist or cease to exist. Oh, and speak the truth every chance you get.

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If you read, I do know it challenges you, I have said from the beginning that we need a combination, including LNG and Oil. I have also said that the existing areas are already being drilled, so leave them be. (Genie out of the bottle analogy, get it...) There are areas we have protected for a reason, let them be. For your response, I have said nothing radical or even contentious. Just don't open new areas to drilling.

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His Holiness Pope Leo XIV (@Pontifex), I condemn the insult to Your Excellency on behalf of the great nation of Iran, and declare that the desecration of Jesus, the prophet of peace and brotherhood, is not acceptable to any free person. I wish you glory by Allah.

— Masoud Pezeshkian (@drpezeshkian) April 13, 2026

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Wrong. You threw a fit about oil, and threw a hissy about drilling.

You denied it when called on it.

So right now your argument is Newsom-level. A wise man would take the loss, admit you overreacted, and move on.

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FLBear5630 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Wrong. You threw a fit about oil, and threw a hissy about drilling.

You denied it when called on it.

So right now your argument is Newsom-level. A wise man would take the loss, admit you overreacted, and move on.

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One last time for you, I know you need it. Is it after you nap already?

No new offshore drilling, off the Florida coast to be specific. Check the legislation to see what this is about.

As for energy, it is for using all options. Now, you can go back to yelling at little kids, kicking dogs and dumping anti-freeze in racoon traps. You know, all the manly stuff you like so much.

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Oldbear83 said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Wrong. You threw a fit about oil, and threw a hissy about drilling.

You denied it when called on it.

So right now your argument is Newsom-level. A wise man would take the loss, admit you overreacted, and move on.

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One last time for you, I know you need it. Is it after you nap already?

No new offshore drilling, off the Florida coast to be specific. Check the legislation to see what this is about.

As for energy, it is for using all options. Now, you can go back to yelling at little kids, kicking dogs and dumping anti-freeze in racoon traps. You know, all the manly stuff you like so much.

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More Newsom.

You said one thing, now you want to pretend it was really something else, and you want to attack anyone for bringing up your original tone and message.

Take the loss.

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boognish_bear said:

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His Holiness Pope Leo XIV (@Pontifex), I condemn the insult to Your Excellency on behalf of the great nation of Iran, and declare that the desecration of Jesus, the prophet of peace and brotherhood, is not acceptable to any free person. I wish you glory by Allah.

— Masoud Pezeshkian (@drpezeshkian) April 13, 2026

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whiterock said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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whiterock said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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Israel 🇮🇱 gives it’s response to a ‘ceasefire’:

•50 🇮🇱 jets dropped 160 bombs in 1 min
•100 Lebanon 🇱🇧 sites bombed in 10 mins
•multiple Lebanon 🇱🇧residential locations
•300 plus people murdered

Israel 🇮🇱 is a pariah state

Expel 🇮🇱 from the UN now.pic.twitter.com/ezxCs5QsEG

— Howard Beckett (@BeckettUnite) April 8, 2026

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Can you not see how hypocritical it is to be so upset at Israel over a friendly fire incident against us (USS Liberty) yet give refuse to issue a syllable of criticism of a group ((Hizballah) who has killed hundreds of American citizens, on purpose with great malice and forethought, to include capturing a US diplomat and skinning him alive on video tape send to President Reagan?

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That never happened, you know.

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I happened while I was on duty.

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What happened was that someone here quoted a tweet from some rando saying the guy was skinned alive, and you decided to make a regular side hustle out of promoting the story even though there's zero evidence for it.

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I was on duty at the time…..

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FLBear5630 said:

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Danielsjackson114 said:

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Got em'

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1/2 the Gulf is already open. You guys are idiots...

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Sam Lowry said:

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whiterock said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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whiterock said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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whiterock said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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Israel 🇮🇱 gives it’s response to a ‘ceasefire’:

•50 🇮🇱 jets dropped 160 bombs in 1 min
•100 Lebanon 🇱🇧 sites bombed in 10 mins
•multiple Lebanon 🇱🇧residential locations
•300 plus people murdered

Israel 🇮🇱 is a pariah state

Expel 🇮🇱 from the UN now.pic.twitter.com/ezxCs5QsEG

— Howard Beckett (@BeckettUnite) April 8, 2026

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Can you not see how hypocritical it is to be so upset at Israel over a friendly fire incident against us (USS Liberty) yet give refuse to issue a syllable of criticism of a group ((Hizballah) who has killed hundreds of American citizens, on purpose with great malice and forethought, to include capturing a US diplomat and skinning him alive on video tape send to President Reagan?

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That never happened, you know.

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I happened while I was on duty.

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What happened was that someone here quoted a tweet from some rando saying the guy was skinned alive, and you decided to make a regular side hustle out of promoting the story even though there's zero evidence for it.

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I was on duty at the time…..

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I guess that would explain the cloud of disinformation surrounding the events...

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Sam Lowry said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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So apparently Trump is now picking a fight with the Pope. That President of ours is a class act I tell ya! He just keeps finding new and creative ways to make us proud.

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I personally don't know if that would be a wise thing to do

But are we supposed to believe the Pope (a guy from Chicago who is now the monarchal potentate of a city state overseas) is somehow beyond the pale to criticize or beef with?

I mean if you are a devout Catholic then maybe I can see you being offended by your religious leader being treated with anything less than extreme deference.

But are Americans supposed to be particularly scandalized that their elected American President is beefing with a foreign monarch?

PS

Before the 20th century and large scale Catholic immigration changed the American electorate and the need to ally with the Papacy against communism in Europe…you won't find many American WASP Presidents saying very positive things about "Papism" and the man in Rome leading the religion.

[Roosevelt famously referred to a failed 1910 meeting with Pope Pius X as "An elegant row"….Roosevelt refused to comply with the Pope's demand that he not visit Methodist missionaries in Rome while in the city.]

Not a small number of DC elites and Republican-northern politicians though the Pope at the time has been involved in the assassination of Lincoln.

Anti-Catholic campaign year red meat used to be an American staple…and something many candidates felt compelled to play along with to one degree or another

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Do you remember the Dick VanDyke show? In the opening (the early episodes), Dick walks into the room and trips over the ottoman. They cut a second opening at some point where Dick sidesteps the ottoman.

Trump has not learned how to sidestep ottomans. This president continues to get into skirmishes that ride way below the office he holds.

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All I know is, I never thought I'd see a day when the right-wing leader of a lawless rogue state effectively declared war on the world and threatened the pope for good measure. I mean when in human history has that ever happened?

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🚨 BOOM: SecWar Pete Hegseth just formed a major DEFENSE agreement with Indonesia

He's crushing it!

"I was proud to announce that we are elevating our relationship to a Major Defense Cooperation Partnership, in recognition of the strength and potential of our bilateral defense… pic.twitter.com/A97THndib0

— Eric Daugherty (@EricLDaugh) April 13, 2026

whiterock said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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So apparently Trump is now picking a fight with the Pope. That President of ours is a class act I tell ya! He just keeps finding new and creative ways to make us proud.

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I personally don't know if that would be a wise thing to do

But are we supposed to believe the Pope (a guy from Chicago who is now the monarchal potentate of a city state overseas) is somehow beyond the pale to criticize or beef with?

I mean if you are a devout Catholic then maybe I can see you being offended by your religious leader being treated with anything less than extreme deference.

But are Americans supposed to be particularly scandalized that their elected American President is beefing with a foreign monarch?

PS

Before the 20th century and large scale Catholic immigration changed the American electorate and the need to ally with the Papacy against communism in Europe…you won't find many American WASP Presidents saying very positive things about "Papism" and the man in Rome leading the religion.

[Roosevelt famously referred to a failed 1910 meeting with Pope Pius X as "An elegant row"….Roosevelt refused to comply with the Pope's demand that he not visit Methodist missionaries in Rome while in the city.]

Not a small number of DC elites and Republican-northern politicians though the Pope at the time has been involved in the assassination of Lincoln.

Anti-Catholic campaign year red meat used to be an American staple…and something many candidates felt compelled to play along with to one degree or another

---

Do you remember the Dick VanDyke show? In the opening (the early episodes), Dick walks into the room and trips over the ottoman. They cut a second opening at some point where Dick sidesteps the ottoman.

Trump has not learned how to sidestep ottomans. This president continues to get into skirmishes that ride way below the office he holds.

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All I know is, I never thought I'd see a day when the right-wing leader of a lawless rogue state effectively declared war on the world and threatened the pope for good measure. I mean when in human history has that ever happened?

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In the modern era it would be Hitler, who had well-documented highly antagonistic relations with the Catholic Church, to include explicit threats to kidnap the Pope.

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FLBear5630 said:

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This string goes back 4 to 5 pages...

I brought up new drilling. I know what I brought up and what was said. You may have misunderstood one of the 15 something responses, but I assure you we were talking new drilling because Trump is proposing new legislation that both DeSantis and Newsome are working together against. It is really not that big of a deal. A simple, "oh Ok" would have sufficed the first time it came up. Or, even I didn't get that. You guys seem to love trying to play "Gotcha".

Either you want to discuss the point or not. Deepwater Horizon was not a few months clean up that "nature" took care of by itself like some are implying. We need to think long and hard about what we do, because it does **** with people's lives when it goes bad.

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whiterock said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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So apparently Trump is now picking a fight with the Pope. That President of ours is a class act I tell ya! He just keeps finding new and creative ways to make us proud.

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I personally don't know if that would be a wise thing to do

But are we supposed to believe the Pope (a guy from Chicago who is now the monarchal potentate of a city state overseas) is somehow beyond the pale to criticize or beef with?

I mean if you are a devout Catholic then maybe I can see you being offended by your religious leader being treated with anything less than extreme deference.

But are Americans supposed to be particularly scandalized that their elected American President is beefing with a foreign monarch?

PS

Before the 20th century and large scale Catholic immigration changed the American electorate and the need to ally with the Papacy against communism in Europe…you won't find many American WASP Presidents saying very positive things about "Papism" and the man in Rome leading the religion.

[Roosevelt famously referred to a failed 1910 meeting with Pope Pius X as "An elegant row"….Roosevelt refused to comply with the Pope's demand that he not visit Methodist missionaries in Rome while in the city.]

Not a small number of DC elites and Republican-northern politicians though the Pope at the time has been involved in the assassination of Lincoln.

Anti-Catholic campaign year red meat used to be an American staple…and something many candidates felt compelled to play along with to one degree or another

---

Do you remember the Dick VanDyke show? In the opening (the early episodes), Dick walks into the room and trips over the ottoman. They cut a second opening at some point where Dick sidesteps the ottoman.

Trump has not learned how to sidestep ottomans. This president continues to get into skirmishes that ride way below the office he holds.

---

All I know is, I never thought I'd see a day when the right-wing leader of a lawless rogue state effectively declared war on the world and threatened the pope for good measure. I mean when in human history has that ever happened?

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In the modern era it would be Hitler, who had well-documented highly antagonistic relations with the Catholic Church, to include explicit threats to kidnap the Pope.

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