Porteroso said:

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I think that even if we had proof Iran had not pursued nuclear weapons since 2015, nobody would be comfortable with them having enough 60% uranium for several dirty bombs that could kill hundreds of thousands, each.

Israel was obviously wrong that they were 2 weeks away, but with the right scientists and facilities, 60% to 90% can be done in 2 weeks, certainly.

Trump has made a mess out of this, but if the right objectives were achieved, I think it could be worth it.

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I fear the problem will remain as long as the Islamic Republic remains the Islamic Republic.

Sam Lowry said:

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ATL Bear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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ATL Bear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Sam: 'Don't trust the President or the people working for a US victory.

Trust the regime which has brought up their kids and grandkids to scream "Death to America" every day.'

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I would hope US intel assessments are based on more than trust.

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US intel assessments on Iran have sucked since they were able to jump our embassy in 79. Mossad activity in Iran, Pakistan, and Russia is where the real assessments are.

BTW, I'm not arguing for continuation of the conflict. We should have taken the destruction of the first few weeks and called it a day. Now we're trying to quagmire this thing.

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You don't think we get intel from Mossad? Where do you think half of that BS about Iraq came from?

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Israel feared the invasion of Iraq as they knew it would benefit Iran. But they play the diplomatic two step like everyone else.

And the intel for Iraq came from Western sources.

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That didn't stop them from cooperating with us. They were afraid of Saddam as well.

In summary, the Iranians didn't secretly enrich uranium to 60%. They didn't secretly enrich uranium to 20%. They didn't secretly build high-enrichment facilities. They didn't even violate their agreements when they built the Natanz facility, since they weren't required to immediately declare it. If they did anything wrong, it was not declaring the Fordow facility immediately. Iran disputes this, but in any case that issue was addressed when they agreed to updated safeguards under the JCPOA. To the best of our knowledge, they've never restarted or even reauthorized a nuclear weapons program.

All very different from the usual narrative. This is another war based on speculation and paranoia at best, lies and propaganda at worst. I'm glad you no longer support it, but the myths still need dispelling. Another round of bombing is likely on the way, and unlike previous wars, the economic and strategic consequences will be unmistakable.

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Their nuclear weapons effort was and is not a myth. If only you'd apply the same scrutiny of an absolute despotic and radical regime as you do the West, you'd find their lies are as nefarious as our lies, including the lies of IC politocrats pushing State Dept policy objectives vs on ground reality.

The mosaic structure of Iranian governance allows the hydra to serve many purposes. Diplomatic fronts, civil fronts, black market economies, terror channels and fund raising, and yes, super weapon pursuits (nuclear and ballistic).

The_barBEARian said:

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ATL Bear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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ATL Bear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Sam: 'Don't trust the President or the people working for a US victory.

Trust the regime which has brought up their kids and grandkids to scream "Death to America" every day.'

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I would hope US intel assessments are based on more than trust.

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US intel assessments on Iran have sucked since they were able to jump our embassy in 79. Mossad activity in Iran, Pakistan, and Russia is where the real assessments are.

BTW, I'm not arguing for continuation of the conflict. We should have taken the destruction of the first few weeks and called it a day. Now we're trying to quagmire this thing.

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You don't think we get intel from Mossad? Where do you think half of that BS about Iraq came from?

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Israel feared the invasion of Iraq as they knew it would benefit Iran. But they play the diplomatic two step like everyone else.

And the intel for Iraq came from Western sources.

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Bull*****

Netanyahu testified before congress that Sadaam had WMDs.

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The diplomatic two step. I mean Ali Khamenei issued a Fatwa against nuclear weapons intended to give assurances to the IAEA and the world only to be caught red handed on Fordow a few years later.

Israel had no love for Saddam, but it was nothing like their concern over Iran. Given the Shia shift in Iraq post Saddam, it was well founded.

ATL Bear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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ATL Bear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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ATL Bear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Sam: 'Don't trust the President or the people working for a US victory.

Trust the regime which has brought up their kids and grandkids to scream "Death to America" every day.'

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I would hope US intel assessments are based on more than trust.

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US intel assessments on Iran have sucked since they were able to jump our embassy in 79. Mossad activity in Iran, Pakistan, and Russia is where the real assessments are.

BTW, I'm not arguing for continuation of the conflict. We should have taken the destruction of the first few weeks and called it a day. Now we're trying to quagmire this thing.

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You don't think we get intel from Mossad? Where do you think half of that BS about Iraq came from?

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Israel feared the invasion of Iraq as they knew it would benefit Iran. But they play the diplomatic two step like everyone else.

And the intel for Iraq came from Western sources.

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That didn't stop them from cooperating with us. They were afraid of Saddam as well.

In summary, the Iranians didn't secretly enrich uranium to 60%. They didn't secretly enrich uranium to 20%. They didn't secretly build high-enrichment facilities. They didn't even violate their agreements when they built the Natanz facility, since they weren't required to immediately declare it. If they did anything wrong, it was not declaring the Fordow facility immediately. Iran disputes this, but in any case that issue was addressed when they agreed to updated safeguards under the JCPOA. To the best of our knowledge, they've never restarted or even reauthorized a nuclear weapons program.

All very different from the usual narrative. This is another war based on speculation and paranoia at best, lies and propaganda at worst. I'm glad you no longer support it, but the myths still need dispelling. Another round of bombing is likely on the way, and unlike previous wars, the economic and strategic consequences will be unmistakable.

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Their nuclear weapons effort was and is not a myth. If only you'd apply the same scrutiny of an absolute despotic and radical regime as you do the West, you'd find their lies are as nefarious as our lies, including the lies of IC politocrats pushing State Dept policy objectives vs on ground reality.

The mosaic structure of Iranian governance allows the hydra to serve many purposes. Diplomatic fronts, civil fronts, black market economies, terror channels and fund raising, and yes, super weapon pursuits (nuclear and ballistic).

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The difference is that I don't have to speculate about our regime change agenda in Iran. It's been spelled out in minute detail since the 1990s, and we've followed it pretty consistently. Iran's actions have likewise been consistent with Khamenei's fatwa.

The black market problem has been endemic since we dropped the ball with regard to the Khan network, and it doesn't only apply to Iran. The solution is to pursue nonproliferation and offer appropriate incentives, but we've done the opposite. The NPT is basically a dead letter at this point because we've prioritized regime change and made it clear that cooperation is the most dangerous option. Given the choice, most countries would rather be North Korea than Libya.

ATL Bear said:

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The_barBEARian said:

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ATL Bear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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ATL Bear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Sam: 'Don't trust the President or the people working for a US victory.

Trust the regime which has brought up their kids and grandkids to scream "Death to America" every day.'

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I would hope US intel assessments are based on more than trust.

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US intel assessments on Iran have sucked since they were able to jump our embassy in 79. Mossad activity in Iran, Pakistan, and Russia is where the real assessments are.

BTW, I'm not arguing for continuation of the conflict. We should have taken the destruction of the first few weeks and called it a day. Now we're trying to quagmire this thing.

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You don't think we get intel from Mossad? Where do you think half of that BS about Iraq came from?

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Israel feared the invasion of Iraq as they knew it would benefit Iran. But they play the diplomatic two step like everyone else.

And the intel for Iraq came from Western sources.

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Bull*****

Netanyahu testified before congress that Sadaam had WMDs.

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The diplomatic two step. I mean Ali Khamenei issued a Fatwa against nuclear weapons intended to give assurances to the IAEA and the world only to be caught red handed on Fordow a few years later.

Israel had no love for Saddam, but it was nothing like their concern over Iran. Given the Shia shift in Iraq post Saddam, it was well founded.

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Caught red-handed doing what, exactly? We know it wasn't nuclear weapons development. The IAEA had access to the site at least until we started bombing. And the 20% enrichment they were doing during the 2010s had clearly legitimate scientific and medical applications.