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Sam: 'Don't trust the President or the people working for a US victory.

Trust the regime which has brought up their kids and grandkids to scream "Death to America" every day.'

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I would hope US intel assessments are based on more than trust.

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US intel assessments on Iran have sucked since they were able to jump our embassy in 79. Mossad activity in Iran, Pakistan, and Russia is where the real assessments are.

BTW, I'm not arguing for continuation of the conflict. We should have taken the destruction of the first few weeks and called it a day. Now we're trying to quagmire this thing.

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You don't think we get intel from Mossad? Where do you think half of that BS about Iraq came from?

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Israel feared the invasion of Iraq as they knew it would benefit Iran. But they play the diplomatic two step like everyone else.

And the intel for Iraq came from Western sources.

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That didn't stop them from cooperating with us. They were afraid of Saddam as well.

In summary, the Iranians didn't secretly enrich uranium to 60%. They didn't secretly enrich uranium to 20%. They didn't secretly build high-enrichment facilities. They didn't even violate their agreements when they built the Natanz facility, since they weren't required to immediately declare it. If they did anything wrong, it was not declaring the Fordow facility immediately. Iran disputes this, but in any case that issue was addressed when they agreed to updated safeguards under the JCPOA. To the best of our knowledge, they've never restarted or even reauthorized a nuclear weapons program.

All very different from the usual narrative. This is another war based on speculation and paranoia at best, lies and propaganda at worst. I'm glad you no longer support it, but the myths still need dispelling. Another round of bombing is likely on the way, and unlike previous wars, the economic and strategic consequences will be unmistakable.

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Their nuclear weapons effort was and is not a myth. If only you'd apply the same scrutiny of an absolute despotic and radical regime as you do the West, you'd find their lies are as nefarious as our lies, including the lies of IC politocrats pushing State Dept policy objectives vs on ground reality.

The mosaic structure of Iranian governance allows the hydra to serve many purposes. Diplomatic fronts, civil fronts, black market economies, terror channels and fund raising, and yes, super weapon pursuits (nuclear and ballistic).

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ATL Bear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Sam: 'Don't trust the President or the people working for a US victory.

Trust the regime which has brought up their kids and grandkids to scream "Death to America" every day.'

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I would hope US intel assessments are based on more than trust.

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US intel assessments on Iran have sucked since they were able to jump our embassy in 79. Mossad activity in Iran, Pakistan, and Russia is where the real assessments are.

BTW, I'm not arguing for continuation of the conflict. We should have taken the destruction of the first few weeks and called it a day. Now we're trying to quagmire this thing.

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You don't think we get intel from Mossad? Where do you think half of that BS about Iraq came from?

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Israel feared the invasion of Iraq as they knew it would benefit Iran. But they play the diplomatic two step like everyone else.

And the intel for Iraq came from Western sources.

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Bull*****

Netanyahu testified before congress that Sadaam had WMDs.

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The diplomatic two step. I mean Ali Khamenei issued a Fatwa against nuclear weapons intended to give assurances to the IAEA and the world only to be caught red handed on Fordow a few years later.

Israel had no love for Saddam, but it was nothing like their concern over Iran. Given the Shia shift in Iraq post Saddam, it was well founded.

ATL Bear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Sam: 'Don't trust the President or the people working for a US victory.

Trust the regime which has brought up their kids and grandkids to scream "Death to America" every day.'

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I would hope US intel assessments are based on more than trust.

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US intel assessments on Iran have sucked since they were able to jump our embassy in 79. Mossad activity in Iran, Pakistan, and Russia is where the real assessments are.

BTW, I'm not arguing for continuation of the conflict. We should have taken the destruction of the first few weeks and called it a day. Now we're trying to quagmire this thing.

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You don't think we get intel from Mossad? Where do you think half of that BS about Iraq came from?

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Israel feared the invasion of Iraq as they knew it would benefit Iran. But they play the diplomatic two step like everyone else.

And the intel for Iraq came from Western sources.

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That didn't stop them from cooperating with us. They were afraid of Saddam as well.

In summary, the Iranians didn't secretly enrich uranium to 60%. They didn't secretly enrich uranium to 20%. They didn't secretly build high-enrichment facilities. They didn't even violate their agreements when they built the Natanz facility, since they weren't required to immediately declare it. If they did anything wrong, it was not declaring the Fordow facility immediately. Iran disputes this, but in any case that issue was addressed when they agreed to updated safeguards under the JCPOA. To the best of our knowledge, they've never restarted or even reauthorized a nuclear weapons program.

All very different from the usual narrative. This is another war based on speculation and paranoia at best, lies and propaganda at worst. I'm glad you no longer support it, but the myths still need dispelling. Another round of bombing is likely on the way, and unlike previous wars, the economic and strategic consequences will be unmistakable.

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Their nuclear weapons effort was and is not a myth. If only you'd apply the same scrutiny of an absolute despotic and radical regime as you do the West, you'd find their lies are as nefarious as our lies, including the lies of IC politocrats pushing State Dept policy objectives vs on ground reality.

The mosaic structure of Iranian governance allows the hydra to serve many purposes. Diplomatic fronts, civil fronts, black market economies, terror channels and fund raising, and yes, super weapon pursuits (nuclear and ballistic).

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The difference is that I don't have to speculate about our regime change agenda in Iran. It's been spelled out in minute detail since the 1990s, and we've followed it pretty consistently. Iran's actions have likewise been consistent with Khamenei's fatwa.

The black market problem has been endemic since we dropped the ball with regard to the Khan network, and it doesn't only apply to Iran. The solution is to pursue nonproliferation and offer appropriate incentives, but we've done the opposite. The NPT is basically a dead letter at this point because we've prioritized regime change and made it clear that cooperation is the most dangerous option. Given the choice, most countries would rather be North Korea than Libya.

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Sam: 'Don't trust the President or the people working for a US victory.

Trust the regime which has brought up their kids and grandkids to scream "Death to America" every day.'

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I would hope US intel assessments are based on more than trust.

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US intel assessments on Iran have sucked since they were able to jump our embassy in 79. Mossad activity in Iran, Pakistan, and Russia is where the real assessments are.

BTW, I'm not arguing for continuation of the conflict. We should have taken the destruction of the first few weeks and called it a day. Now we're trying to quagmire this thing.

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You don't think we get intel from Mossad? Where do you think half of that BS about Iraq came from?

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Israel feared the invasion of Iraq as they knew it would benefit Iran. But they play the diplomatic two step like everyone else.

And the intel for Iraq came from Western sources.

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Bull*****

Netanyahu testified before congress that Sadaam had WMDs.

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The diplomatic two step. I mean Ali Khamenei issued a Fatwa against nuclear weapons intended to give assurances to the IAEA and the world only to be caught red handed on Fordow a few years later.

Israel had no love for Saddam, but it was nothing like their concern over Iran. Given the Shia shift in Iraq post Saddam, it was well founded.

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Caught red-handed doing what, exactly? We know it wasn't nuclear weapons development. The IAEA had access to the site at least until we started bombing. And the 20% enrichment they were doing during the 2010s had clearly legitimate scientific and medical applications.

Sam Lowry said:

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ATL Bear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Sam: 'Don't trust the President or the people working for a US victory.

Trust the regime which has brought up their kids and grandkids to scream "Death to America" every day.'

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I would hope US intel assessments are based on more than trust.

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US intel assessments on Iran have sucked since they were able to jump our embassy in 79. Mossad activity in Iran, Pakistan, and Russia is where the real assessments are.

BTW, I'm not arguing for continuation of the conflict. We should have taken the destruction of the first few weeks and called it a day. Now we're trying to quagmire this thing.

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You don't think we get intel from Mossad? Where do you think half of that BS about Iraq came from?

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Israel feared the invasion of Iraq as they knew it would benefit Iran. But they play the diplomatic two step like everyone else.

And the intel for Iraq came from Western sources.

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Bull*****

Netanyahu testified before congress that Sadaam had WMDs.

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The diplomatic two step. I mean Ali Khamenei issued a Fatwa against nuclear weapons intended to give assurances to the IAEA and the world only to be caught red handed on Fordow a few years later.

Israel had no love for Saddam, but it was nothing like their concern over Iran. Given the Shia shift in Iraq post Saddam, it was well founded.

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Caught red-handed doing what, exactly? We know it wasn't nuclear weapons development. The IAEA had access to the site at least until we started bombing. And the 20% enrichment they were doing during the 2010s had clearly legitimate scientific and medical applications.

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They are terrorists Sam! It is a terrorist state! Even if you believe what you say, they can enrich from 60% to 90% in days! And there is no legitimate reason to be at 60% if the goal is not 90%. Why keep defending the honor/intentions of the terrorist state?

I say get outta there and keep bombing their nuclear sites every 6 months. Bomb the air defense equipment from Russia/China as soon as Iran takes possession.

NEW: Only 33% of Americans now consider Israel an ally according to recent Napolitan News Service polling data conducted by Scott Rasmussen.

— Dominic Michael Tripi (@DMichaelTripi) May 14, 2026

Today I instructed my legal advisers to consider the harshest legal action against The New York Times and Nicholas Kristof.

They defamed the soldiers of Israel and perpetuated a blood libel about rape, trying to create a false symmetry between the genocidal terrorists of Hamas…

— Benjamin Netanyahu - בנימין נתניהו (@netanyahu) May 14, 2026

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Today I instructed my legal advisers to consider the harshest legal action against The New York Times and Nicholas Kristof.

They defamed the soldiers of Israel and perpetuated a blood libel about rape, trying to create a false symmetry between the genocidal terrorists of Hamas…

— Benjamin Netanyahu - בנימין נתניהו (@netanyahu) May 14, 2026

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Bibi to the NYT

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Today I instructed my legal advisers to consider the harshest legal action against The New York Times and Nicholas Kristof.

They defamed the soldiers of Israel and perpetuated a blood libel about rape, trying to create a false symmetry between the genocidal terrorists of Hamas…

— Benjamin Netanyahu - בנימין נתניהו (@netanyahu) May 14, 2026

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he can go eff himself. Stay the eff out of our business. You have done enough Bibi, you POS. We won't arm or help Ukraine these days who are fighting a righteous war as they were attached, but we give these Bloodsuckers carte blanc. Viva la Cheeto!

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You really should stop engaging in beastiality.

Trump: "There's no oil coming out of Kharg Island. People are finding other places to buy oil, like Texas. So I don't want to say we're making a fortune, because if I say that, they're gonna say 'he forgets about the little man with the $4 gasoline.'" pic.twitter.com/ih9Rbm9Mb9

— Aaron Rupar (@atrupar) May 15, 2026

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NEW: Only 33% of Americans now consider Israel an ally according to recent Napolitan News Service polling data conducted by Scott Rasmussen.

— Dominic Michael Tripi (@DMichaelTripi) May 14, 2026

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Yeah, as much political capital as we have burned, Israel has burned way more in Gaza, and now Lebanon. They will pay a real price for this. Hope it was worth it. Really they had few better options but the way they did it was not elegant.

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I concur. I say let them go at whatever alone. No $, No Intel, No arms. Screw them and their genocide.

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It's clearly not genocide, but they are killing too many civilians and razing the ground after.

It is war against the civilians they feel they cannot control. Not to mention the widespread looting of thousands of Lebanese homes.

When anyone has to fight Hamas or Hezbollah, there will be civilian casualties. These groups guarantee this by putting their fighters and weapons among civilians.

As far as looting thousands of Lebanese homes, I am sure there has been looting by some IDF soldiers. That would be difficult to stop when it is likely that many homes and business buildings in southern Lebanon are being searched for Hezbollah fighters, equipment, and intel. Looting isn't right, but it might seem more prevalent than it is with the tactics necessary to fight Hezbollah.

What seems to be lost in the latest news are continued rocket and drone strikes from Lebanon into Israel during the ceasefire, sparking retaliations.

He is stuck in symmetrical warfare from 1960. This is not that. Nobody thought Iran would, could, is, or will beat the United States in war.

How long is this sht going to go on?

BREAKING: Iran says it has prepared a "professional mechanism" to manage traffic and impose fees in the Strait of Hormuz and it will be "unveiled soon."

Details include:

1. Iran says this system is "within the framework of its national sovereignty"

2. Under the new system,…

— The Kobeissi Letter (@KobeissiLetter) May 16, 2026

Farmers across the Midwest are entering planting season under mounting financial pressure, as the Iran conflict drives up diesel and fertilizer prices — deepening an agricultural downturn that some say is the worst since the crisis of the 1980s. https://t.co/QQjkb7Kpdp

— Axios (@axios) May 16, 2026

The careless decision to reduce our force posture in Europe, along with moves by Pete Hegseth and his political henchmen to force out some of our finest general officers is amateur hour at best and deadly at worst.

Hegseth continues to surprise and disrespect our greatest…

— Senator Thom Tillis (@SenThomTillis) May 16, 2026

US and Israel preparing to renew attack on Iran next week NYT

"The US and Israel are actively preparing for a renewal of hostilities with Iran and could resume attacks as early as next week, The New York Times has reported, citing sources.

Indirect negotiations between Iran and the Trump White House have remained deadlocked since a fragile ceasefire was established in April following over a month of hostilities. Both sides have repeatedly dismissed the other's demands as unrealistic, and both Tehran and Washington still insist they hold the upper hand.

Meanwhile, disruptions continue in the Strait of Hormuz, which has heavily affected global shipping and caused oil shortages worldwide. While Iran has announced its own mechanism to regulate maritime traffic in the waterway, Washington has rejected the scheme and is enforcing a naval blockade on Iranian ports in retaliation.

Two unnamed Middle East officials told the NYT on Friday that preparations for new strikes by Israel and the US have greatly accelerated over the past few days, and the conflict could resume as early as next week, according to the sources."

Oil After Hours: 109.26 +3.54 (+3.35%)

Expect gas to accelerate back towards the $5 mark this week.

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How long is this sht going to go on?

BREAKING: Iran says it has prepared a "professional mechanism" to manage traffic and impose fees in the Strait of Hormuz and it will be "unveiled soon."

Details include:

1. Iran says this system is "within the framework of its national sovereignty"

2. Under the new system,…

— The Kobeissi Letter (@KobeissiLetter) May 16, 2026

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Until President Miriam Netanyahu gets what he wants...which is turning Iran into Libya/Syria regardless of the consequences for the goyim.

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Farmers across the Midwest are entering planting season under mounting financial pressure, as the Iran conflict drives up diesel and fertilizer prices — deepening an agricultural downturn that some say is the worst since the crisis of the 1980s. https://t.co/QQjkb7Kpdp

— Axios (@axios) May 16, 2026

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Umm planting should be done by this time for many crops…… or at maximum be in the last day

There should not be a single farmer just now "entering planting season"

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Farmers across the Midwest are entering planting season under mounting financial pressure, as the Iran conflict drives up diesel and fertilizer prices — deepening an agricultural downturn that some say is the worst since the crisis of the 1980s. https://t.co/QQjkb7Kpdp

— Axios (@axios) May 16, 2026

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Umm planting should be done by this time for many crops…… or at maximum be in the last day

There should not be a single farmer just now "entering planting season"

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This is true.

There has been a lot of pressure on the agriculture sector for a long time. The war is making things come forward faster than otherwise

This SHOULD be a wake up call to all of us. For us to have become dependent on a narrow stretch of water in the Middle East to keep up our food supply is insane. No national strategist worth anything would allow this. We have everything we need to grow what we need. We've even allowed that industry to ship production of crucial goods to overseas.
Things like this is where strategic tariffs and quotas make a lot of sense.

It is false.

Planting season in North Dakota, for example, is very different than it is in Texas for many crops. "Last frost" in most of ND hasn't yet happened.

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It is false.

Planting season in North Dakota, for example, is very different than it is in Texas for many crops. "Last frost" in most of ND hasn't yet happened.

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So for one state planting season might still be current.

But that was not what the tweet said. It said the Midwest. Which is more than one state and for most of the Midwest the planting season is either over or ending right about now.

So the tweet was "mostly" false or at least misleading or lazy writing or lazy fact checking or whatever.

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It is false.

Planting season in North Dakota, for example, is very different than it is in Texas for many crops. "Last frost" in most of ND hasn't yet happened.

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So for one state planting season might still be current.

But that was not what the tweet said. It said the Midwest. Which is more than one state and for most of the Midwest the planting season is either over or ending right about now.

So the tweet was "mostly" false or at least misleading or lazy writing or lazy fact checking or whatever.

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I didn't respond to a tweet. I responded to what you said, which was false.

Planting season is just now starting for many farmers.

The last frost date in Iowa is the last week of April/first week of May.

That's on average a couple of weeks later than Missouri.

The more northern states are a few weeks later than that.

So yeah, it is planting season for most of the midwest.

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Farmers across the Midwest are entering planting season under mounting financial pressure, as the Iran conflict drives up diesel and fertilizer prices — deepening an agricultural downturn that some say is the worst since the crisis of the 1980s. https://t.co/QQjkb7Kpdp

— Axios (@axios) May 16, 2026

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Umm planting should be done by this time for many crops…… or at maximum be in the last day

There should not be a single farmer just now "entering planting season"

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Heck, wheat is already coming in, in central Texas.

It does not feel like it has been ticking fast

Donald Trump: "For Iran, the Clock is Ticking, and they better get moving, FAST, or there won’t be anything left of them. TIME IS OF THE ESSENCE!" pic.twitter.com/uX7a4zaDpz

— NewsWire (@NewsWire_US) May 17, 2026

EXCLUSIVE: Cuba has acquired more than 300 military drones and recently began discussing plans to use them to attack U.S assets, according to classified intelligence shared with Axios.

The intelligence could become a pretext for U.S. military action.https://t.co/Ybrcce7CSx

— Axios (@axios) May 17, 2026